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Maximus69:
How YOUNG are you?

You are considerably insane

LordReed:
Take look at this:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/everyones-favorite-gospel-the-gospel-of-john-is-a-forgery-according-to-new-research?ref=home&fbclid=IwAR0AGU-qxDwatoBvi5rK7g2WovTYEdF1nYWvmr36C6DaSrEzKYCK_DKh6l4

This is appalling.

I knew the dialogue in John chapter 21 was forged and added centuries by yet unknown writer. The manuscript texts and choice of words were entirely diffrent in John 21 compare to othet chapter. But now that the who book has been exposed as fraud, one can take the book with a pinch of salt.

Take a look at the fabrications in Mark chapter 16, the verse 8 to end is not in the original manuscript. But the KJV have it, only God knows from where they got it.

The whole bible is founded on frauds. The whole settings of Christianity is scam

Maximus69:
You're welcome!

I hope you know that only LordReed is not a believer in Jesus?

Apart from Maximus and Tatime, every other person here have been saying one thing or another about Jesus. Yet they remained silent all these while!

So i called your attention to come and see the people who not only denied their faith in Jesus but started wagging their tongues at Maximus who said he's not interested in your topic o!

How old are you?

Maximus69:
Where is FOLY o?

Wetin happen?

TATIME:
Don't mind these atheists. They assume everyone will be selfish and wicked as they are! They're only interested in what they will eat, drink, wear and sleep today.

The bible explicitly defined pure religion in James 1:27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. It didn't say true religion is Christianity or JW only. I remember the good Samaritan story here.

Was it me that said you must eat, drink and enjoy life? The bible said exactly that says

Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 New International Version (NIV)
5. For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even their name is forgotten.
6. Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.
7. Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for God has already approved what you do.
8. Always be clothed in white, and always anoint your head with oil.
9. Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun—all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun
10. Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.


See also;
Matthew 6:25-34 New International Version (NIV)
Do Not Worry
“Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life ?
“And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

If the Bible could corroborate with my submission, it means you are fighting your own shadow. You don't understand your own bible self.

TATIME:
They don't want to think about the future because to them there is no future.

Matthew 6:34
Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

TATIME:
When they now found someone seriously meditating on what the future holds they feel like attacking you but they have no valid reason to do so. That is why they want to write off whatever has to do with God as nonsense. Imagine an atheist talking about virtue but why should people be virtuous? His friend said there is no need, people should be prepared to die in hopelessness. Yet this one is talking about VIRTUE, when we all know that earthly conditions doesn't support being virtuous.
So why being virtuous, when there is no reward afterwards?
ATHEISM is just as useless as insanity!

What do you even know?

Maximus69:
Wonderful!

So that means you (Professor LordReed) who is NOT a Yoruba man, who often use Google to translate English to Yoruba can also use Google to translate Yoruba fairytales, indigenous adages and concepts to English!

Well congratulations Sir, you're welcome to the club of story tellers, you successfully fabricated your own version of the story!

For your information Sir, the ancient Yorùbá people often use L to pronounce names and other things that's transliterated from N, you can check your Yorùbá Bible to confirm this.

Nimrod in the Bible is known as Lámurúdu in Yorùbá, he was a great hunter according to the Bible who forcefully made himself a king amongst the first people that lived after Noah.

And perhaps what a coincidence that Odùduwà was said to have been a direct descendant of Lámurúdu (Nimrod)?

All the descendants of Odùduwà were allowed to continue ruling as Kings everywhere they stepped their feet, he gave birth to Òkànbí, Òkànbí had seven sons and these seven were the authentic Kings in all the land of Yorúbá.

Perhaps that's also a coincidence Sir, remember the adage that says "kò ní tán lára omo oba kó má ku dáñ sákì" meaning "the royal lineage must be maintained".

Well it's the fear Lámurúdu (Nimrod) infused in the minds of the people of that time that led to initiating some as royalty in all the earth, take it or leave it!

Your inputs exposes how foolish and dishonest you are

Ecclesiastes 10:13 King James Version (KJV)
The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness: and the end of his talk is mischievous madness.

Oduduwa does not have relationship with Lamurudu nonsense. Information about who he is, where he came from and how he got to Ife is in Ifa. One can only wait for archaeological evidences to prove the historicity of Oduduwa.

Oduduwa is the personification of dark matter.

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! Luwa is Noah? OMFD! Max you don't disappoint when it comes to storytelling. Bwahahahahaha!

Meanwhile:

https://findwords.info/term/omoluabi

What is "omoluabi"

The Omoluabi is a Yoruba philosophical and cultural concept to describe a person of good character. The omoluabi concept signifies courage, hard work, humility and respect. An omoluabi is a person of honor who believes in hard work, respects the rights of others, and gives to the community in deeds and in action. Above all, an Omoluabi is a person of integrity.

The concept Omoluabi is an adjectival Yoruba phrase, which has the words - "Omo + ti + Olu-iwa + bi" as its components. Literally translated and separately, omo means 'child', ti means 'that or which', Olu-iwa means the chief or master of Iwa (character), bi means 'born'. When combined, Omoluabi translates as "the baby begotten by the chief of iwa". Such a child is thought of as a paragon of excellence in character.

Absolutely correct

Maximus69:
Our friend (FOLY) said JW's publication 'MANKIND SEARCH FOR GOD' said "there were myths throughout the earth about a global deluge" and it sounds preposterous to him, but let me tell you today that that's the very statement i read in the same Publication that ever touched my heart most!

You asked for a fairytale my friend, now here comes one Sir just for your pleasure!

After reading the Jehovah's Witnesses Publication 'MANKIND SEARCH FOR GOD' i became disturbed about the authenticity of that Bible account, initially i wanted to dismiss it as just another fairytale but 'MANKIND SEARCH FOR GOD' truly moved me!

They said "there are myths throughout the earth about a global deluge" i once asked my grandma the meaning of the Yoruba word or title "Omolúwàbí", she simply told me back then (as i was just twelve) that there was a virtuous man named Luwa, his children were the most virtuous during that time, so it became an adage whenever people find a virtuous person they'll say in Yoruba

"Dájúdàjú omo tí Lúwà bí gangan ni eléyìí"

Meaning:-


"Certainly this must be a descendants of Luwa"

Till today Yoruba people keep calling virtuous individuals "Omo' Lúwà bí"

It was almost 20 years later when i read that statement in the Publication 'MANKIND SEARCH FOR GOD' i couldn't hold my tears as to the authenticity of Noah's story!

Jesus also spoke concerning that same story and i'm 100% sure that my friend (FOLY) must have read it several times in his copy of the Bible.

So if FOLY doesn't believe the book, i Maximus believe it completely from the bottom of my heart because i can't find any better explanation to the reason why Yoruba people keep referring to individuals living a virtuous lifestyle as OMOLÚWÀBÍ !

Hope you enjoy my story today Sir, Thanks!

Sigidi se'tan ati te, oni kiwon gbe oun re odo lo re we. Muttleylaff, we would need your service in translating those words for Max. At a time like this, when revisionists take it upon themselves to rewrite history and distort facts, the rightful son of the soil must be there to iron out the facts, and separate truth from lies.

Maximus69 churned out wrong translation of the word Omoluwabi to Omo ti Luwa bi. The wrong translation, either it is what he cooked up or truly heard from his Granny, has not only misled him but left him more confounded, whereby he carved out from his imagination a person called Luwa who lived in the distance past among the Yoruba people.

It is important for people to know that there is no one either in the past or present that bears the name Luwa. That is only the figment of Imagination of Mr Max. Secondly, that Yoruba language personifies almost every thing, 'omo' in Omoluwabi doesn't mean Luwa is a person.

The rightful translation of the word 'Omoluwabi' is rightly provided by Lordreed as "the baby begotten by the chief of iwa". With the rightful translation, one can then identify who and what is Iwa and the chief of Iwa.

Iwa is character, and according to Ifa, Iwa is a young beautiful lady, daughter of Suuru (Patience), granddaughter of Eledumare. The general understanding of the Yoruba people is Suuru ni baba Iwa (Patience is the father of character). Iwa is married to Orunmila, the divinity of wisdom. And according to tradition, the husband, oko olowo ori iyawo, is the olu/olori or lord of the wife. In view of this, Orunmila (wisdom) is the Lord/chief of Iwa (character). Omoluwabi simply mean a person who embodies wisdom, the chief of character.

According to Ifa, Orunmila separated from Iwa. And Iwa returned to Eledumare in Orun. After she left, life became unbearable and chaotic to Orunmila.

bi Iwa ba nu eeyan
eyin o mo pe ayee re lo nu un

since Iwa left Orunmila and life became unbearable for him, he sort to get his wife back, and he found her in Eledumare house. Unfortunately, Iwa insisted she won't return to Orunmila house. She told Orunmila, 'lo fi owo ara re tun iwa re se'. Ifa added;

ibinu ko da nnkan kan fun ni.
Suuru ni baba iwa
Agba t'o ni suuru.
Ohun gbogbo lo ko ja
A difa fun Orunmila
Ifa n sawoo lo Iwo Ate
Iya ti Ifa je n'Iwo
Lo bako, lo babo

Ifa here informed us again that Suuru is Iwa's father, and Orunmila is her husband. Ifa also inform us that Orunmila and Iwa settled in Iwo, and he suffered during the course of their marriage. This is why wives are called Iyawo (Iya iwo meaning the suffering in Iwo). In the marriage, they bore two children, a boy and a girl (Iwa rere and Iwa buburu).

Iwa rere represent truth, honesty, compassion and unconditional love. Ifa says thus;

O le gbe ni juka o
Mo l'o le gbe ni juka
Otito, mo l'o le gbeni juka

Ifa is saying here that in standing firm in truth, one may face challenges and overwhelming difficulties.

Iwa buburu bores Gossip, stealing, betrayer and wickedness.

Ifa went thus saying;

Ofofo ni i peru
Epe, won a si pole
Iledida ni i pore
Alajobi ni i payekan t'o sebi
A jo g'bori ile a jeku
A jo g'bori ile, a jeja
A jo g'bori ile, a je koko igbin
Ase d'owo ile, a jo mu.


Ifa explicitly explain that both Iwa rere and buburu would coexist, and it takes only wisdom to keep harmony between the two sides. There are repercussions for choosing Iwa rere or buburu. Iwa buburu attracts the wrathful punishment from Orisa; Iwa rere attracts difficulties too but must be endured with persistent patience for the world to become a better place. Most important Ifa emphasize on Iwa Pele (peaceful disposition) and wisdom to keep harmony and averting chaos. This is why Iwa is described as a woman who should be religiously cared for.

Ifa wrapped it up with this verse;
Ba a lowo
Ba a niwa
Owo olowo ni.
Iwa, Iwa la n wa
Iwa
Omo l'a bi, ta a niwa
Omo olomo ni
Iwa, Iwa la n wa.

Meaning, if one own all the riches and bore many children, without good character, all the person have is vanity. And the only way of attaining good character is wisdom of balance both forced.

Bible corroborate; Ecclesiastes 7:11-12 New International Version (NIV)
11. Wisdom, like an inheritance, is a good thing
and benefits those who see the sun.
Wisdom is a shelter
12 as money is a shelter,
but the advantage of knowledge is this:
Wisdom preserves those who have it.

The word Omoluwabi is deeper than anyone thought. it is philosophical. There is no one that bears Luwa as Maximus69 posited. Iwa is simply Character, daughter of Suuru (Patience) and wife of Orunmila (wisdom). These three characters are not human. Omoluwabi is the person who embodies Iwa. Yoruba people would say, bibire ko se fi owo ra loja. Iwa is divine, and can be attracted with wisdom (the lord/chief of Iwa)

Dantedasz:
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Are you surprised bro? Well you might not have known the person called Maximus69, who posted the fabulous tale About Omoluwabi. He is popular here and known for been a liar and very dishonest person.

MuttleyLaff:
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I now begin to think, that Max has nothing in his head except maybe fables. He professed that he was a former military intelligence officer, but I haven't found any intelligence in his posts on this thread.

LordReed:
When you tell them they believe in a fairytale they'll get angry. These are the things you learn and know how separate reality from falsehood.

Truth is always bitter and difficult to accept.

Christianity did not just appear from nothing, it evolved from ancient religion, adopted divinities of the Canaanites, and rebranded the text from ancient sacred books. Ugarit text is one of those books.

Please read more about the Ugarit text on here http://www.theology.edu/ugarbib.htm

LordReed:
Maximus69 is fabulous for telling stories, fabrications and revisionist history all to further JW propaganda.

Yes Maximus69 tell us why the name Jehovah's witnesses only arose in the 19th century? I give you opportunity to tell us one of your fabulous stories. Bwahahahahaha!

Had every Christians questioned the historicity of the bible, and have vivid understanding of how Christian religion started, many would have seen that the religion is founded on fabrications, distorted history, and mainstream propaganda to keep the masses under an illusion.

As you can see, not a single figure in the bible can be proven existed, most of the incidents are fictional, jesus life and activities inclusive. Jehovah/Yahweh is an invented God.

The evolution of Christian God according to encyclopedia Britannica shows that Jehovah is not indigenous to Israel. Rather, he evolved from Canaanite divinity, been one of the 70 children of El (the Supreme deity of the canaans). According to the Britannica, Yahweh/Jehovah is a name invented by the Masorets in the 13th centuries. The actual name, Christian apologist claim, is forbidden from been pronounced or have been forgotten. But how could the population of the whole Israel forget the name of the God they worship every sabbath day (every weeks) year round? The actual name of Yahweh according to the Urgarit text is Olim. He is the God of the hills. He coexisted with other Gods like Baal, and his cohort is Asherah. History reveals that Israelites worship Asherah, Baal and other Canaan Gods side by side with Yahweh.

The bible writers hide the name 'Olim' to remove traces that Yahweh originated from Canaan, and makes it seem it appeared nowhere with Israel. But if one noticed, Yahweh only appeared to Moses, and he informed Moses that he appeared to his forefathers but none know his name. Moses also did not know his named be forgotten hand. The reason is Israel, been a small village in Canaan were aware of El and worship it. El is represented as Bull, and if one noticed, Israelite built the image of a calf and worshipped it when Moses was nowhere to be found. The worship of other Canaan Gods was stopped by King Josiah according to the bible. They worship Baal too and bore names after Baal. I guess Jonathan son were named after Baal.

Jehovah only took the epithet of El and Baal (God of the wind). And whoever revised Olim came up with Yahweh/Jehovah out of Olim in Canaan. Moreso, most of fhe figures like Noah, Moses, Samson, Daniel and Jesus have parallels in the Urgarit text. As a matter of fact, the discovery of the Urgarit text have exposed Christianity as fraud, Jehovah been Inventions and the accounts in the bible as largely fabrications.

Our in-house witnesses would want to tell us how Jehovah came out of nothing, not evolving and changed swiftly from been sucker in the old testament to been lovely in new testament. Who ever invented all these is brilliant, at least, he deceived billions of human and sent some to heaven as martyrs

@triplechoice The whole jw organisation are deluded. One of their publications, MANKIND SEARCH FOR GOD, posit that the evidence for the global flooding and noah ark is the multiple flooding myth, and their members believe it to the last letter. How could a reasonable person authenticate historicity of a story with multiple fables?

triplechoice:
I am still shocked about the denial. I never expected this from him and even when all the evidences of his attempts are still there on this thread.

Now, this Tatime is trying to turn everything into what I am yet to understand inspite of the fact that I have made my intentions clear to him

And one final thing ,the JW I know offline don't act like the one's here. These group here are quick to cast aspersion, use abusive language and vieled insults once you don't agree with them

Maximus69 is a very dubious person. Well, he only damaged his reputation on here, and any attempt at redeeming his image make it worsen. The obvious deceit and dishonesty is not a trait anyone would want to work with. He does not know the history of his religion, and now that he found the history is embarrassing, he is crawling back into his shell.

As for TATIME, that one is doing the job of image laundry. And as much as he tries, he damage the reputation of jw as whole. This he doesn't understand. From bis writing, one would see he is a yes sir boy, typical zombie as Muttley depicted him. With his attitude, one could assume the whole organisation are packs of deluded and brainwashed folks.

The JW are generally stubborn and dishonest people. They however veil this oddity with fake smiles and timidity. When you move closer, you would see their true nature, mostly deluded like every other Christians out there

triplechoice:
My comments about your group is based on my own personal experiences alone and I still stand by it. My younger sister is a witness and have friends who you witnesses too . Others may have their own contrary opinion about your group based on their own experiences.

But the issue at hand has nothing whatsoever to with that . Maximus69 is no more interested in discussing the op but the benefits of his group the reason I asked he opens a thread for that and I will participate by mentioning some of that good things I know about your group. .Then others can also have the opportunity to say whatever they have to say too.

Instead of this display of emotions, why don't you take your time to read my previous reply , analyze it and respond appropriately

We were trying to be cool, like we don't know how devious they are. Max abeg create the thread, you go hear am

TATIME:
You know Maximus69 already told you we only make presentations and once we discover that you're not type we are searching for we move to the next door!
If it's about arguments "you won and you will always win anytime, anyday, anywhere" because that's not our own mission!

Thanks Mr FOLY

Are we not saying same thing? That you are a soldier, who denying people lives through blood transfusion. The weapon is only doctrine today. Isn't it?

Maximus69:
He wants to argue and he can see that all the churchgoers quoting him we're not the type that are fully competent in intellectual talks.
So he wants to kill himself when he found one, even after telling him i'm not interested in his quest he can't rest.
Is it a must that i argue, debate or discuss with you?
OK i said "he won", but he's still feeling bad about the whole thing!
Ó mà se o!

Face-palm...

What can we do to let you go? There is too many heartbreak in your posts. You no won discuss o, talk o, debate o... The shame dey your body, I already achieved what I wanted..abeg leave

TATIME:
If this is what you wanted to discuss with him, it would have been chatting all along because he loves talking about military operation and Christianity, just that he is not interested in unnecessary arguments (as he often say)

Ohhhh, he didn't attempted addressing the OP but he recommended two books published by jw, he provided fabrications and twisted history which led to Jewish revolt, he argued on the authorship of the gospels, he touched the contemporary accounts of other witnesses, and lastly talked about negligence of duty by Christians. On the negligence, I wanted to lure him in with the military relativity, it was a dead end where I will give him the heaviest blow.

But you see, you can deny all you wanted, oju ek re ko ko lawo

TATIME:
Well Jehovah's Witnesses are in your area, they'll teach you how Christ's Soldiers carry out our spiritual battle.

I know that you deny your members right to life through blood transfusion and surgical operation. What could be more demeaning than that?

I don't need you to teach me nonsense, baba Fela said that

TATIME:
I learnt so much from Maximus due to his former profession. He said "Soldiers aren't meant to kill but to force the enemies to drop their weapons" this comment gave me sleepless nights until i spoke with him about it. Now i fully grasp that Christ's true followers are currently carrying out a great battle making individuals who are former fierce killers to surrender their weapons not grudgingly but wholeheartedly!

By denying blood transfusion right?

TATIME:
In God's kingdom we will burn all the papers you call money because everything belongs to God's government so nobody needs to buy anything from anybody in God's kingdom.

Dream on

TATIME:
Even all your houses will be demolished because each person in God's kingdom must have his own garden just as it was in the beginning. Not as you people are building houses and fencing it round due to evildoers! Psalm 37:9-11

What of cars?

TATIME:
The Romans were politicians not Christians, they just used their pagan Catholicism to hypnotize their enemies that's all!

Twist the history, we go expose you once more.

triplechoice:
You think? It means you are not sure .Please go through the thread to be sure that maximum69 never attempted to respond to the op And when you do, I would like to what you will now think.

Hahahaha

He thought, never too sure, that Maximus69 could never attempt to respond to the OP, not because generally, jw do not of the duty of answering questions, but Max failed to provide the rightful and needed answer.

It all false flag, Max failed both in providing the needed evidences required or convincing anyone that Jesus existed. He rather got himself, jw organisation and the faith exposed and ridiculed. And all he can do is save face and lie with both sides of his mouth, denying he attempted engaging the OP.

TATIME:
Jehovah's Witnesses don't need that!
Perhaps you've forgotten what you typed about Jehovah's Witnesses lifestyles!
So you yourself have made that advertisement already, our activities and lifestyles in your neighborhood have made you spoken for us. 1Perter 2:12
Though you tried to hide your feeling now IT'S TOO LATE!

But Max needed to retreat to 'jw benefit' when he sensed his ass was exposed?

TATIME:
I love that song so much because it reminds me each time i listen to it that we are CHRISTIANS SOLDIERS !

Thanks MuttleyLaff may God bless you again and again for reminding me about my duty as a SOLDIER of the man from Nazareth!

CRUSADERS!

We know the deed of the past by the christian soldiers, trending from the reign of Emperor Nero in the 64AD when Rome was burnt, we know the deed of the Jewish Zealots, and armed terrorists under the reign of Pope Urban who started the crusade tolling death count to more than 4,000,000 lives.

As it is in the historical past, we also know the deed of the modern christ soldiers, putting aside deadly weapons and political warfare of the past, but today took upom themselves doctrines that cost the lives of innocent souls, both human and animals.

One of the doctrine is denial of blood transfusion to sick patients, avoidance of surgical operation and extreme hatred to dismembered fellows. All these cases have led to the lost of precious lives. Those who are hated from been dismembered mostly commit suicide.

Bible quoted Jesus saying, If ye must become my disciple, ye must hate thy father, mother and siblings. Bible added that Jesus promised the world no peace. The world has saw massive massacre by the sword and doctrines.

It seems you Tatime and Maximus69 are christian soldiers, not bearing weapon or shinning armour, but kill innocent souls by denying them life through blood transfusion, surgical treatment and condemnation. To make it worse, you all want the world system to end so that you can resurrect and possess the wealth of hardworking nonbelievers.

Soldier men, it is unfortunate that the world from the acclaimed soldiers of the Nero days were deceived and became martyr of fantasy, coupled with dreams, it is more disheartening that you chase same fantasies, fables and tale dream that a none existing Jesus would make you inherit the wealth of the wicked world.

You be thief o

LordReed:
Hmmm, I dey suspect this guy. JW wey dey listen to Fela. Hmmm!

Me I just dey looku and laughu

triplechoice:
If Pa Maximus does not want to dance to Folykaze"s tune why did he jump to the center of the stage and pretending he wants to dance? If he does not like the tune why responding at all?

You just came in to throw dust in people's eyes.The aim of the op is clear .it has nothing to do with what you are benefiting from your religious affiliation

Pa Maximus has been dancing to a different tune .If he is only interested in discussing what he feels he has been benefiting from his religious affiliation, tell him to open a thread for that and not what you're trying to do now.

respect

MuttleyLaff:
, that your "... take orders counsel from our brothers" just reminded me of the above Baba Abami Ẹda Fela's 1976 Zombie album and track tune, lol.

Baba 70 should live on ever, in the abode of the ancestral heroes of Africa, And in the mind of salient African minds.

MuttleyLaff:
Maximus69 was floundering about in the shallow offshore waters. Luckily for him, like a knight in shining armour, riding on a high white horse, lol, you gallopedly waded in to pull him out and saved his hide before he gets to wander into the deep end offshore waters, lol and straight into a very pleased, open arms, lol, FOLY's cuddly watertight held bear hug, lol. All puns intended, lol.

Buddy, please let them beat their chest and console themselves. Now he is lying to himself that he had no interest in the discussion, however, he had wanted to prove historicity of Jesus by recommending two books, presented twisted history of Jewish revolt that led to destruction of second temple, and lastly went on wild goose chase looking for contemporary accounts of Jesus. In all these moves, the jabs were deadly and very disorienting �� . He didn't saw it coming. He wouldn't leave either because he felt ashamed.

MuttleyLaff:
With all due respects, I dont take orders from you. Capisce? Besides that, when and/or if I need your unsolicited advice I'll call on you.

He knows not, that everyone be king for him Kaaba.

MuttleyLaff:
TATIME, fyi, FOLY is entitled to whatever his opinion about Jesus' historicity is.

In Jehovah witness, they dont teach them much about religion tolerance and respect for opposing views. Remember, they live by the books, even if it cost their lives.

MuttleyLaff:
TATIME, fyi and if you must know. FOLYKAZE and I, respectfully go very way long back. The respect for each other, is mutual. Now the thing really is, I know him well enough, not do midsummer madness with him, but rather rope-a-dope him, lol, and sooner or later he'll hoist himself with his very own petard, lol.

lol. Which one is 'hoist himself with his very own petard'?

MuttleyLaff:
He is quietly and appreciatively thanking God that his big brother boss man came running to his rescue, patted him on the back and reassuringly telling him, considering the fierce situation, he's done so far well, lol. It's mad oh, lol.

I had thought his brother would drag him out of here but he doesn't have the courage to leave, prolly overwhelmed with shame, disappointments, and heartbreak.

He is everywhere beating chest and denying he only danced like water lily after he failed woefully at attempting the OP. To me, he is drunk and should be left alone to wail, maybe it will heal his wounds.

MuttleyLaff:
I've never read FOLY bleeped before, lol

Hahahaha

Max ti gboja sara, and he could only shout 'oluwa da mi pada'

Maximus69:
I've told you that i'm not interested in the discussion!

And i wish you success in your quest, is there any other thing you want from this your discussion?

I said I AM NOT INTERESTED

So assume that whether arguments o, debate o, discussion o, since Maximus69 said he's not interested you've won a trophy for yourself!

Congratulations in advance!

Tatime has told us you have been directed, like a robot, not to think on your own, but live as directed by the book.

Old Pal, die hard with your manhood standing gallant, it is easier to die with honor than to die shamefully knowing all your hope is moonlight tale. Abimelech and Saul did same.....

TATIME:
It's like he doesn't want to argue or discuss about Jesus' historicity with you. His focus (according to him) was LordReed. He only respond to you perhaps for a reason best known to him, but after seeing that you're not satisfied with his simple presentation he decided to call it a quit!

Do you know what argument is? Cuz the way you keep repeating the word, it makes wonder if you understand what it means.

He doesn't want to 'discuss' or provide answer on reasons for his hope (1 peter 3:15),a form of negligence of duty. He and you rather want me to accept all the bullshhiitt he said without questioning or verifying facts (Pro 14:15, 1thes 5:21).

I want you not to forget previous attempt at addressing the question;

Maximus69:





The Bible itself have provided enough reason why secular history from Jesus' contemporaries can't be found.

It's either you carefully read, diligently study and thoroughly meditate on what was written before and after those gospel accounts that you can see the correlation you desire!



The Jewish religious leaders of his time made sure that he was

accused,

arrested,

detained,

tried,

judged,

sentenced and

executed

all on false charges, they made it seem as if he was a criminal that should be totally forgotten, they don't want his historicity to go beyond his days so they ordered (with threat) his followers to stop talking to people about him! Act 5:28



This are the then renoun religious leaders RECOGNIZED by their colonial masters (Rome), and 33 years after his death Jerusalem and it's temple was totally destroyed by the Romans so that any other secular history about his time was totally burnt to ashes apart from the ones taken into exile by his faithful followers!

All he had up there are not facts, a complete hogwash that have no reference in historic past. And you want me to accept gullibly what he posted without calling me out where he erred or deliberately twist fact for his unfounded belief?

He indeed wanted to discuss the topic, he recommended two books meant for kids; and I duly read one of the books. He, however opted to back out when he realised I did my homework nicely before coming to the forum. And he had the hurtful pain that all he tailored to hold to his chest is moonlight tale, realizing he had been deceived, and couldn't swallow the choking truth. The tactical maneuvering only tells he has the required evidence, reason and woefully ashamed to admit or accept reality. You and I know so stop twisting facts.

TATIME:
He's one of my Christian brothers (JWs) but due to his former profession he will not retreat so easily especially in a mission he feels obliged to take up!

I understand his pains too well, the scar on his heart bleeds hot blood. He wants to die a hero and we would give him the privilege. However, the lies could run for 2 millenia but truth would outrun in a few moment.

TATIME:
Normally JWs had been warned not to accommodate room for arguments, so anytime we notice someone trying to drag us into arguments we excuse ourselves!

Na dem dem. It seems you are also a tomboy who have been told not to use his brain and mind of his own. Your own life is guided by a book written by fictitious men who thought sun revolve around the earth. Keep it up

Maximus69:
You may make a joke out of it but the other guy is not taking this simple as you think, he feels Christians must spend their precious times arguing with him on the historicity of Jesus, whereas he's just a freethinker who poses no threat to our existence!

Really? Are all Christians this dishonest?? For F sake, I asked you to provide proof that Jesus existed historically. At no point was I arguing with you. As a matter of fact, I was the one tutoring you on the historical incidents that led to the Jewish war. The thread is more of an intellectual discourse, not a ground for argument as you posit. And you should thank us for teaching you little history, and exposing the old tales of your church.

Maximus69:
Of course no professional military personnel will waste a second attending to a feeble lousy bloody civilian when there are thousands of fully armed adversaries that needs to be disarmed!

The military run pr offices for a reason. And they also have mil-citizen relationship with offices for handling views on rules of engagement. You should cut the lies for kids. The hierarchy knows the rule better than you do.

Meanwhile, I asked simply, how the army punish negligents. Failing to provide direct answer shows why you couldn't produce evidence for Jesus's historicity.

Maximus69:
I have presented the theory, practical applications and benefits [b]of what i hold so dear, but [b]he kept demanding i forget all that simply due to the arguments and fabricated criticism of useless antagonists who are of no practical benefits to him!

When and where did you get this from?

Maximus69:
I'm now a happy grandpa with my woman, having millions of children both biological and spiritual, rest of mind with the children God gave me as i'm 100% certain that they will never be involved in hooliganism, cultism, vandalism or any other form of juvenile delinquencies, when i travel to any part of the world it's like i'm with my blood relations as Jehovah's Witnesses welcome me as if they've known me from cradle. All these just because of what we learnt from the Bible about Jesus of Nazareth!

Yadayada, Old pal.

Truth is golden and could withstand all form of fire without becoming blemish or loosing it beauty. The fear you exhibit exposing the truth you behold as fantasy.

When my kid was 3yrs,he believed Jesus lived in the moon, and that it watches over him, because his teacher told him. As a little child, he wondered why the moon 'follows' him around everywhere at night. But when he understood that the moon movement is an optical illusion, and Jesus does not live in it, he developed more interest in reading anything about celestial object. He is six now and have every right to know the truth, not the stupid garbage been taught by deluded religious bigots.

Maximus69:
Then an unquestionably stupid and hopeless black man now comes telling me to erase all those fine deeds all because he picked interest in the write-ups of some hopeless miscreants whose interest can't even provide one tenth of all the benefits i'm presently enjoying amongst God's people!

What interest are you enjoying that Awo kn yoruba societies don't enjoy? I begin to wonder, is it not the same jw that is the circle of pedophile and intolerant mofos? Is it the same jw that kill animal rights in a gruesome manner without respect to animal's soul? Is it same jw that denied bedridden patients life saving blood transfusion, hastenly ending precious lives in the name of doctrine. Thank Goodness Lasg saved that child in Lag State, you would have had the innocent baby dead by now. Jw are blood sucker like boko Haram for denying patients right to life. I will choose imule or jainism over jw.

Maximus69:
Well that's why i told him that if it was back in the first century when Jesus was praying fervently for his followers to possess the fine qualities Jehovah's Witnesses are now exhibiting globally, that my friend is saying all of these it would have made an impact on my beliefs NOT when i'm already enjoying the benefits of Jesus' teachings in the midst of a global family of peace loving worshipers!

Jesus made a lot of promises as WRITTEN in the Bible by his followers, i'm a living witness myself of the fulfilment of the first part of those promises today, so there is no antagonist that can convince me that the remaining part of Jesus promises will not come to fulfilment!

Prove Jesus exist first before we can discus the authenticity of his gospel.

Maximus69:
That's why i keep telling my friend to move ahead with his hopeless arguments that's of no practical benefits!

Do drunkards not believe a cup of alcohol would take away his hopelessness, and sipping from the cup won't harm him?

Denying person life through rejecting of blood transfusion isn't benefit. Some of your members are ever dying, sick, in abject poverty and only waiting forever for non-existing Jesus to return and rule the world. That isn't benefit but pure dose of alcohol sir

TATIME:
How else do you expect someone to "PARK ONE SIDE" after telling the FOLY guy that he is not interested in the arguments so that FOLY can continue with his quest?

Tatime, do you know difference between argument and discourse?

If Maximus69 sees the thread as a debate or any form of argument, that is his problem. The thread is more of a discourse, and person like Budaatumi acknowledged it is discourse.

The stage is set, and he knowns when and where to come in, only but with evidences proving the accounts in the bible is historical. I set the parameters citing contemporary writings in real time. Max could only dance around like a waterlily instead of putting an end to the thread with a single evidence.

As you can see, he has no evidence and only fooling himself here

Maximus69:
Exactly what i've been trying to tell you all this while Sir!

My life, aim, objective, mission, ambition, purpose, intention as in everything that has to do with me is none of your business since my life is my life and your life is your life.

I'm not to control you on how you will live your life neither are you to do the same to me, so i wish you success in your quest in life, please wish me the same and let's wave goodbye at each other!

No sir. You are human and your well-being is my concern. Though not for your own sake but for the sake of humanity, I wouldn't deny my omo iya life.

Maximus69:
My friend, the Bible explains that we humans have a purpose why we're here but if you think that's a lie, then why are you so concerned with how an adult who never needed you in any way will live his life?

Stop making the discourse a form of me against you. That is a syndrome of religiosity. The author of Ecclesiastic said life have no purpose, and every thing is vanity. It is not my saying but the author of eccl.

Meanwhile, I said and will always say that you should establish a purpose in the current hopeless existence, rather than wasting time chasing vanity.

Maximus69:
Your attitude is speaking in volume against your speech, if you and i will just live and die, and i've not come to snatch your bread, butter or cup of tea, why are you so disturbed about me?

I am only asking you to justify your faith in afterlife. Is that too big to ask? Ti ogun eni ba dání loju, a má fín gbari ni. Prove yourself for f sake.

Maximus69:
WHY? WHY? WHY?

Jesus loves you, that's why you must preach and teach your fellow man how to live a life of a brighter future. If there is no Jesus then there is no reason to disturb your brains about how i live my life Sir!

You have the responsibility of proving Jesus is real, not telling fantasies

Maximus69:
That's what makes you look so stupid with all the effort, resources, time and energy you've been wasting on this issue! Job 5:13

The effort, resources, time and energy streamed from 1thes 5:21. Test all things and hold unto that which is truth.

LordReed:
I have been wondering the same thing. Maybe he flew to Israel to go and bring them.

Hahahaha

If Skeletal remains of Jehohanan, 1st-century CE crucifixion victim from Givat HaMivtar in Jerusalem, with a nail still lodged inside the heel bone can be found, he will most likely find the skeletal remains of Jesus. That is if he didn't ascended to heaven with flesh and bones.