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Procashtips:
So your Oduduwa fell from the sky?

Even the first human was created, why should yours fall from the sky without dying, yet died later like all mortals?

Think!

The Benins had different names at different times, we named ourselves all the names we answered. Tell me who named you Yoruba and what was your name before someone else named you yoruba?

No, Ogiso fell from the sky. Else what is the meaning of Ogiso?

Who named you Ilu Ibinu? You want to lie.

Yoruba had many kingdoms unlike Benin with just one kingdom. Hence, had many names. It doesn't change the fact Oduduwa was never from Benin. Your king lied.

Stoplying:
As I said, the Oni of Ife is a big fat bastard, fake king, actually he was a village priest in a small village called Ife which the British started urbanising as from 1912.
The fool above knows nothing about history, he's just here to troll.

I know history more than your Oba because I am a descendant of Kings.

Stoplying:
As I said, the Oni of Ife is a big fat bastard, fake king, actually he was a village priest in a small village called Ife which the British started urbanising as from 1912.
The fool above knows nothing about history, he's just here to troll.

Oyo empire alone was bigger than your Ilu- Ibinu wey dem call you.

Stoplying:
Now tell me how your map from the same author Emanuel Bowen, proves the map which I posted to be false ?

It is fake. Short and simple. No story.

Stoplying:
I'm ignoring you from now on, you keep proving you know nothing and you are wasting my time.
Go to hell.

See very well. Where is Benin on that tiny island called Lagos? The closest was Ijebus and the people were not Benin. Stop your fairy tales here.

Stoplying:
No I'm saying your Oni is an idiot and a bastard.
Look, you are a fool who thought aweri was awori, while it is actually Warri !
You know nothing but to troll.
I'm here discussing history, while you are just trolling.

Your Oba said his forefather Eweka was the first Oba of Benin but you said you don't believe in fairly tale made from oral history and those who believe in oral history are dumb. Indirectly, you're saying Oba a to pe ye is dumb. Ain't you?

Wetin concern Oni? Do you think Oni is my king?

Stoplying:
You fool !
Aweri is Warri !
What a fool you are !
Such a fool !!!
I knew you were an idiot, but not to this point !
I knew you weren't making any sense but before talking I needed the link to make sure I wasn't talking in a void.
You have basically proven yourself that you have been saying complete nonesense from the begining!

Very correct. Aweri is Warr. The kingdom of Itsekiri. Another tribe of Yorubas.

Now, where was your Benin on that eko?

No Benin. Why?

Stoplying:
We could discuss your theory of "oral tradition" if you could provide me eyewitness written documents to back it up.
Notice how dumb your "oral tradition" hypothesis is.
Let us say we start oral tradition today. What do you pass down ? Do you memorise everything which happens in your life and pass it down to your son who adds to it all that happens in his life and passes it down to his son, and so on... In 1000 years what type of story do you have: I story which would take 10000 years to tell.
How dumb are you ?

Are you saying you Oba is dumb by given oral history in the first place?

Stoplying:
You are getting on my nerves and putting words on my mouth. Once again, I'm here to discuss history which is defined by: the study of eye-witnesses written documents.
I'm not here to discuss anything else. I don't discuss Royal speech, I study eyewitness written documents.
And for the last time, where is the link to the website hosting your map ?

Are you saying your Oba forefathers that passed down the oral history to your Oba were not eyewitness? Were they also fairly tales?

Stoplying:
Why has it become a problem to just post the link of the website hosting your map ?
You do want to prove me wrong, right ?
So why hide your "proof" ?
Before I comment on your map, I need to make sure it is authentic. I reserve my comment untill then.

This is map showing west Africa in 14th century. Your Benin was not in existence, right?

See people already inhabiting the coast. Where is Benin the so called founder?

https://www.vintage-maps.com/en/antique-maps/africa/bowen-western-africa-1747::1256

Stoplying:
Dude, I discuss history here. Not royal speech.
Stop asking me about Royal speech.
History: the study of eye-witnesses written documents. I don't do feelings nor Royal speech. You are confusing me with other people. I'm a cold hearted scientist to the core.

Where is the link to the website hosting your map ?

Don't you dare disrespect the Oba again ! Now let's get back to discussing history, ok ?
Again, where is the link to the website hosting your map ?

That's right, you are bolding saying your Oba lied. There was no Eweka. He fell from the sky. Ogiso means fall from the sky. Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkl

Stoplying:
You think you are making a point ?
I'm a scientist, I don't discuss fairytales.
You are asking me questions while the answer is what you are quoting to ask your question. What sense does this make ? Am I supposed to just repeat the comment which you have clearly quoted ?
Dude, post the link to the website hosting your map so that I can comment on it. I don't like to talk in a void.

Your Oba said Eweka was your first Oba? Who was his father?

Or are your insinuating your Oba lied?

Stoplying:
Before talking, post a link to the website hosting the map. I can't talk while I'm not sure that the map is not just a drawing by you.

Don't be lazy. It all over the net. Your map is fake. Drawn by Benin.

Awori was already on the land long before our Yoruba king from Ilu Ibinu (Benin) came around.

Stoplying:
Of course, you claim a map published in 1747 to be fake because it doesn't show things which exist today (2023). Then you go and claim oduduwa fairytales and igodomigodo and ogiso fairytales are real.
So as I thought, you see proof and you say it is fake, you see fairytales abd say it is real.

Your lack of proper education is a crime against humanity. You are the opposite of what an intelligent person is.

So, you didn't have a runaway prince again? He was also a fairly tale?

What is proof?

Is Eweka also fairly tale? Who was his father?

Stoplying:
I gave the link of the website hosting the map.
It was published in 1747, I wasn't born yet, so asking me questions about the map is a stupid thing to do.

But let me help you to use your brain:
1. You are judging the map by your unsubstantiated beliefs. You are supposed to judge your unsubstantiated beliefs with help from the map. Because the map was drawn by a person who witnessed 1747. Your beliefs however are just beliefs.
2. Have you thought of the fact that countries are born, they don't exist right from the begining of time. Countries break up and give place to other countries. Take a look at a map of Europe from 1400, you will see that you can't find some countries of today and you will find countries which do not exist today.
3. The map is not fake, you just don't reason properly.

You map is fake.

See another map showing Ijebu Kingdom and Awori spelt Aweri in the same 1745. Thief.

Now, this map will clear your brain from your unsubstantiated ignorance.

Procashtips:
To the Yoruba, he's a fairly tale because they claimed he fell from the sky with chains and whatever.

To he Benins, he was a banished prince, hence the chains he was found in.

So tell me, did your ancestor fall from the sky?

Oduduwa was real. Nothing like fairy tales.

He became a diety after his death due to their believe.

Nothing like prince in Edo land. You only had Ogiso and you were called Igodomigodo not Benin which is corruption of Ule Ibinu in Yoruba.

Stoplying:
Precolonial map of west Africa showing that Lagos is a part of Benin:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2

Instead of talking all sorts of nonesense, just bring proof. I have been doing this since page 5, but you guys seem to go blind each time I bring proof.
Proof-based talk rather than insult-and-feelings-based talk.

When was Lagos founded? In 17th century? Your map doesn't prove anything.

The argument is, when was Lagos...Eko founded? Not who conquered Lagos or whatever.

Besides, your Benin King na Yoruba man.

Stoplying:
At least all Edo people who thought the yorubas were our friends will finally open their eyes.
All that talk of "sophisticated" tribe has been blown away. Finally my people will unite and see our enemies for whom they are.
You disrespect the Oba, you've disrespected all of us, you don't know us. You think you do, but you will soon learn what EMPEROR actually means.
You guys mistakenly think Benin city is the extent of Benin kingdom 😂
Benin city is only the capital of Benin kingdom !
Now we know you guys, don't you come up claiming "the Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man" ever again !
You've shown your true colours once again !

Where is Oyo in your map? Where is Bornu in your map?

Are you saying there were no Oyo or Bornu empires in so called 1700th?

Your map is fake.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
Port built by the whites. Mu.mu

Port wey don dey before white come?

Iykenuwa:
The last Ogiso of Benin was his father.


To say the Benins have not answered that question is outright falsehood. I knew that story since the 80s.

The last Ogiso no get name?

Shattuck:
who were the Eko tribe that made up 20 percent of the population then?

Returnees from Brazil and other countries

Iykenuwa:
The Aworis themselves are Benin originally,


How come no Yoruba can state where the Awori are from, except to say they came from the Palace of Ife after Oduduwa's death?


They came to Ife with Oduduwa and left after Oduduwa's death, because they don't belong to Ife.


Oduduwa himself was from Benin, and when Benin wanted him to return to Benin because his father was dead, he refused and sent his son Oramiyan instead.


Benin already had several Ogisos before Oduduwa landed in Ife.

Why would Benin with a long history of Monarchy go to Ife to request their King to com to Benin of they had no link with that king?

It's simply because that king, Oduduwa is their son.



You eople should scream all you want, we will keep drumming the truth into your ears.

I HOPE FFK is on Nairaland.

Who was Oduduwa's father? Benins has not given answer till date.

Obierika:
The population of the entire Lagos was less than 1,000,000 as at that time

And so? Does it change the fact that it has a thriving port before the entity Nigeria was formed?

Asari

Ogene001:
By 1890s Lagos is already very cosmopolitan. Stop posting rubbish computer typed document

With who? With Northerners or Southerners that were not yet conquered by British?

People that were still fighting wars as at 1890s? Olodo.

Ogene001:
By 1890s Lagos is already very cosmopolitan. Stop posting rubbish computer typed document

Yes but without..

Ogene001:
That's why I laugh at yorubas making mouth. SW needs Nigeria more than Nigeria needs SW

Before the entity called Nigeria, SW already had Lagos port and it was generating billions of naira (based on current evaluation). I am talking about as far back as 1890s. Look the list below to see those inhabiting Lagos then.

At last, cultural center will be completed if approved

Add states budgets. So they have state budgets in those aforementioned countries?

Weldon Mr President

Weldon

Lol