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Veecruz:
And was ONE of your opposition not on "did God state a stipulated age?" Which i answered."Nature Did"

Then your other oppositions
"If your reasoning is scriptural, would you tell us why Jesus called said what He said about the little children?

Do you know that there are people who are adults by age, but children in their minds? God does not reason the way man does. There's no particular age God holds people accountable. He knows each person is different in terms of maturity. Give us scriptures to buttress your point."

Which i had already answered with one swoop, which was why you moved post to "imbeciles" and "madmen".

Please, this issue is settled.

That post you quoted was today's response. When I said in my first posts, that God deals with people differently because people maturely at different paces, didn't you immediately think about imbeciles and mad men? Must I still expatiate on that statement before you grab what I was saying? It was when you insisted on the 7yr error that I had to go deeper into explanations to let you see that there are imbeciles and mad people among men. Has my position changed from what I said from the very start? Are you the only one who has raised objections to my initial views? Others read the same message just as you did, and after I explained to them the same way I have explained to you, they grasped my point and stopped arguing.

Which one swoop of answer did you give? God didn't but nature did. Is nature God? And would you show me where nature clearly told you that people are accountable at 7?

Veecruz:
How is it a change of position where i clearly stated and stood on the ground that God holds people accountable at age 7?

You really do not have anything to say..

I have even provided a screenshot of your very first position where you categorically stated that God hold people accountable at the age of 7. Then, after I opposed that view, you shifted ground to say nature is God and God is nature, but provisions are made even in the court of law for people who are not normal. When I said that has been my position from the beginning, you started saying 'everyone based their answers on normal people alone'.

Do you even understand the topic of discussion at all?

Veecruz:
It is known that "Nature Means God" (thats why devils hate nature), so i am just sharing that Lyability actually commenced around the age of 7 as shown by Natural Law, for those who are normal people. And we all have normal people in mind when we were making our comments.

Which was why after my answer you moved post to "imbeciles" and "mad people" which i also answered saying "Meaning, that when a person is seen and known to be slow in understanding and fails to understand that he has done a wrong, no just and fair Court will ever convict him"

Your problem is that you have a very great adversity towards learning things you never knew and you thought you knew it all, so you hate correction and refuse to listen and assimilate new things.

You don't see your weakness when you were all seeing only normal people while answering the question? You can't see that as a weakness on your own part? You did not know that even among normal people, cognitive and intellectual capabilities still vary?

I answered my question to cover all grounds which include both normal, slow learners, and even intellectually dysfunctional people. Is it not the same God that would judge all of them? A balanced answer would cover all that, and still remain within the provisions of scripture. That's exactly what I did from the very start.

I think it's pride and arrogance that would make you turn around to say I'm averse to learning when your own answers were myopic and unscriptural while mine covered a broader sphere of reasoning with scriptural backing.

When, you're talking about God, you need to see things the way God does, not how man does. That way you wouldn't put God in man's limitations as you have done regarding this very question.

If you continue to behave like this, being proud, arrogant and seeing yourself as the teacher everyone should listen to, I might just start ignoring your mentions. Meanwhile, you have never ever made a single solid scripture-backed argument since I've known you as Dtruthspeaker and Veecruz on this forum. You're always trying to enforce your personal thoughts on others with an air of arrogance, thinking people must reject God's word in preference for what you think.

I am a teacher of the Word, and by virtue of my gifts and calling, coupled with over 30yrs of studying the Bible, there's hardly any topic you bring that I do not have a scriptural foundation for. Nevertheless, I do not see myself as Mr No All. Even on this forum, there have been times when I have openly admitted my limited knowledge of certain topics. But, on topics so much as clear as the age of accountability, you cannot tell me anything contrary to the Word of God.

God is not nature, and nature is not God! That's Buddhism and not Christianity! If you are a worshipper of nature, then I have no business arguing the scriptures with you. Instead, I'll tell you to become born again, and turn yourself in, to the only true God.

Veecruz:
Your preset mind does not allow you to read and understand. I am sure you are a crammer when you were in school, reading but not understanding,. Meanwile, understanding is what you need to understand God and to live Life very well.

I clearly said "God did not specify a specific age but Nature has. And it is based on this observation that all over the world criminal liability commences at the age of 7. And the word is "as a general rule".

This your position was a later shift from your previous position. Your initial position before adding that 'God did not, but nature has' was that God holds people accountable at age 7.

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Veecruz:
Why do you not read and assimilate before you speak?

Did i not say "Meaning, that when a person is seen and known to be slow in understanding and fails to understand that he has done a wrong, no just and fair Court will ever convict him"

I am a lawyer, so i know all these more than you.

Dtruthspeaker, I suspect you're the same person using this monicker.

If what you've said is what you just Paraphrased above, what then is the basis of your argument. Is that not my position too? Or do you just like to argue for arguing sake?

I'm sure you arrived at this position after I countered you when you had categorically stated that God starts holding people accountable at age 7.

If God starts holding people accountable at age 7 as you said, then you just contradicted yourself. Your new position has been my position from start , against which you have been arguing.

Veecruz:
No where have i contradicted the scripture, i have only countered your understanding of the scripture.

Even by saying 7yrs is God's age of accountability when God never said so?

Have I said anything that the scriptures didn't say?

The answer is in the story of David who killed Uriah and married his wife Bathsheba.

When God sent Nathan the prophet to him to reprimand him, he asked for forgiveness. God forgave him and gave him lesser consequences to face for the sin.

This teaches us that we may still face some lesser consequences of our sins depending on the gravity of the wickedness involved.

The story can be found in 2 Samuel Chapters 11 - 12.

Veecruz:
You have said all these earlier and i have explained them all.

You didn't explain anything. I gave you scriptures, you're giving me your own thoughts contrary to the scriptures.

Aemmyjah:
You were the one that brought up past judgment like ancient Israelites

That was the judgement of a nation. Not individual judgement.

Veecruz:
Your intentions and reason (inferemce) for a statement is always relevant unless you c
expressly state it that the statement should be taken without meaning.

True, God did not specify a specific age but Nature has. And it is based on this observation that all over the world criminal liability commences at the age of 7. And the word.is "as a general rule".

Meaning, that when a person is seen and known to be slow in understanding and fails to understand that he has done a wrong, no ust and fair Court will ever convict him. That is The Law which God gave and taought Moses. So in the end everyone is covered under Law, God's Law which is the True Law and not the fake evil law called legal which are merely commands of men.

Even in the court of law, an imbecilic individual or a mad man is not judged the same way as someone who is in his right mind. Even a full blown adult suffering from dementia is given s great deal of excuses in court. How much more God, the Only Wise?

Veecruz:
Look at mad men on the streets, do they not know not to steal, kill, destroy, harm and wound people or even children?

Even a sliow person knows sone good and evil and we hold them lyable to that part that we know, they know,

So, how much more God, Who knows all that they know!

So, did God state specially that He'll hold people responsible for their actions at a stipulated age?

If your reasoning is scriptural, would you tell us why Jesus called said what He said about the little children?

Do you know that there are people who are adults by age, but children in their minds? God does not reason the way man does. There's no particular age God holds people accountable. He knows each person is different in terms of maturity. Give us scriptures to buttress your point.

Aemmyjah:
There were no such people in Noah's day and Lot's day?

We're talking about individual accountability, not when God wants to punish a generation, nation or city.

The day of judgement is a day of individual accountability.

Revelation 20:11-15
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Aemmyjah:
A mentally slow person at 40 will not be e accountable to God?

I'm not God. God knows how He determines who'll be accountable to Him.

But would God be a just God to hold a mentally challenged person accountable, when he doesn't know what he's doing even at 100? For example, someone born with mental retardation.

Aemmyjah:
So 20 year old person is not accountable to God?
There were children Sodom when it God destroyed
Bible says that Boys to old men wanted to rape the angels

I didn't say so. I only quoted that scripture to show God does not hold children accountable. Would you quote where I said God holds people accountable from age 20?

People develop at different paces. God knows when each individual should be held accountable for his deeds. The age of accountability would be different from person to person. That's why no age is mentioned in the Bible. There are people who are so mentally slow that even at 40, they don't know what they're doing.

Veecruz:
Correction!

It is a from the age of 7 that every soul becomes liable for wrong doing (sin). This is just another example of where God's grace is exercised for here, As The King to Whom the offence was given, He herein exercises His discretion to exclude persons below 20yrs from the death penalty associated with this specific crime which was originally commited by adults and not children.

Thus, it was right and just that God exludes the children from the crimes of the adults.

Please support your claims with scriptures!

Don't come here pitching your thoughts against the word of God. I never said God has chosen the age of 20 as the age of accountability. I quoted that scripture without drawing any inference.

God didn't stipulate any specific age for people to become accountable. God alone knows the age of accountability for every individual. People mature at different paces. God knows when an individual has reached the age of accountability. There are 5yr olds that are even more self-aware, more intelligent and have deeper understanding of things than some 7yr olds.

No age was pegged in the Bible because God, being the only Wise God knows that age shouldn't be a yardstick. What would we say about those whose mental developments are slow? What would we say about those mentally challenged humans whose intellectual maturity take a long time? Some never even mature intellectually.

If you want to argue, bring the scriptures for your backing. Say only what the Word says. If you are a pusher of your own thoughts, you would fall into many errors.

Most definitely!

advocatejare:
I’m angry with the way they package the man as the best of examples to mankind when they themselves know that he was not!

How many of them will allow a 54-year old man to be sleeping with their beloved 9 year old daughter?


How will you fee today if you hear that a pastor of reputable character who already has many wives decide to start sleeping with a 9 year old who has not attained puberty?

They're shameless liars. Any evil mohammed does, they see no wrong in it.

OLAADEGBU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf-fmJkbRwI

This is the videoclip that show that you and other hedonistic bloggers lied through your fingers because there is nowhere you will find the GS saying that he is going to change the bible doctrine. The bible says all liars shall end up in the lake of fire and except you repent make the necessary restitution you will all perish.



The evidence of who is lying is in the videoclip and we know that satan is the father of lies. Repent and believe the gospel before it gets too late.



See the quote below of you calling your mentors monsters.



It is evident on this page as is quoted above that you are the one who called them monsters, except you are suffering from memory loss. All I did was to repeat what you claimed.



The same applies to you and I advise that you taste your own medicine.



You lied again that you posted a video, all you did was to post the link to another thread that had the video. No liar shall inherit the Kingdom of God. Watch the video I posted above and tell us where the GS said that he would change any doctrine of Christ. The emphasis here is doctrine and I expect you to know the meaning of doctrine if you truly got born again under the ministry of the GS.



If you truly know him then it will not be difficult for you to differentiate between bible doctrines and church administration. It is either you are ignorant or telling blatant lies regarding the word doctrines that you are running with what the pagans are saying about the GS.



All you said here have removed all doubts as to the validity of your claims. I've sourced you out for the fraud that you are. If you can still lie against yourself on what you wrote on this page why should I trust you on your commentary on others? You better repent and save yourself from eternal pain.

Olaadegbu, the liar.

I never said I posted a video. I said I posted a link to a video.

Are you still denying that Kumuyi said he'll change the man-made doctrines he created before he passes on to glory. This guy, you're a pathological liar. This story about Kumuyi's statement is widespread. I first heard it from deeper life members in Osogbo in 2016. I have never ever read it in a newspaper before. I knew that such a thing would definitely hit the airwaves. When you denied it, I searched it and found it on many links online. That confirms the truth of what I heard.

Olaadegbu, did I ever say that these ministers of God are monsters. You lying hypocrite turned your own words to mine. Are you really born again? Do you even know Jesus? The fruits you're bearing tells us otherwise.

Did I ever write about church doctrine or church administration in all of my posts on Nairaland? Are you sure you have enough comprehension skills to understand simple English? I never wrote about church doctrine or church administration, so what inferences are you drawing about my about to difference church doctrine from church administration? May the Lord give you understanding. Use the link below to view videos of what Pastor Kumuyi said.

It seems you're merely responding to bounce your thread. I don't see anything reasonable you've been saying so far.

https://www.google.com/search?q=video+Kumuyi+says+will+remove+all+made+doctrines&oq=video+Kumuyi+says+will+remove+all+made+doctrines+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigAdIBCTMyMTk0ajBqNKgCALACAA&client=ms-android-vivo-terr1-rso2&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Blind and deaf atheists like lordreed, maynman, francistown, hopefullandlord and jaephoenix would say the accounts on this thread are false narratives. I shake my head for these people.

I have a strong aversion towards voodoo but I have witnessed a spectacle where a man performed live juju in my presence. He bought 6 uncooked eggs from a hawker, made some incantations and afterwards broke the eggs to remove ear rings from inside the eggs. I witnessed it live.

I have met a man who had a dream where he saw a cat pursuing a mouse while he slept on a bed in an unceiled house. As the cat was pursuing the rat, the rat, a very big one slipped off the roof and landed on one of his ears. He woke up deaf from that day onwards. I also witnessed the healing and restoration of that man's ears through prayers.

I have met an Igbo man whose mother told me he ran mad 3 days after he was shot in a dream.

I have lodged a friend in my house in the year 2000. We slept in the same room, and this friend of mine woke up to see his palms bleeding profusely from razor cuts. Interestingly, he told me it wasn't his first experience.

In 1992, I had a friend who converted from Islam to Christianity. A son of the then sultan of Sokoto. The name of the guy was Mohammed. He told me about how Muslims used to fortify themselves before embarking on each of the religious riots that killed many Christians in the north in those days. He asked me to bring him a knife from my kitchen which I did, not knowing what he wanted to use the knife for. He then asked me to cut any part of his body with the knife, I refused. He collected the sharp knife from me and started cutting himself with it. To my utter amazement, the knife didn't penetrate.

I can recount a great deal of spiritual experiences I have had. Anyone who says the spirit realm does not exist is blind and deaf.

There are powers in the world. But Jesus alone has the Super Power. He can heal. He can deliver. He can save. When Jesus saves you, no Satan can snatch you from His hands.

LordReed:
Dude you can drop the act, it's too late.

Sound which yeye warning? Warning for the scam that is the never evidenced after life or the one of the 2000 years soon coming dead Jesus? LoLz. Abegi.

I've sounded my warning. You can go on with your choice. The end has told for many. The end will tell for you too.

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! So you were pretending this wasn't about your god. LMAO!

Like I said you are just seeing portents in the the most mundane of things.

Please show me how I have made it all about my God.

Should anyone keep sounding warnings to the blind and deaf atheists? Would the end not justify the means?

LordReed:
Why do you think their eyes aren't already open?

They're blind. They can't see God whom we see in our spirits. Some see too late as seen on this Nairaland thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/746723/famous-atheists-last-words-before#9029754

LordReed:
LoLz. Oh right you didn't. My bad. The atheists just got tired and stopped posting. It happens doesn't it? Bwahahahahaha!

That's how they'll get tired of atheism once their eyes open.

LordReed:
LoLz. If the thread had continued you'll have still pointed to it as a sign. To your religion colored eyes everything is a sign. If atheists make noise you'll claim the power of your god is making them angry, if they are silent it is the power of your god that made them silent. You are probably one of those if an unfortunate animal happens to stray into your abode will declare it an agent of the devil. Bwahahahahaha!

You're just talking like a kid. Where have I involved God in this matter? Mtcheww. You don't even deserve an answer.

LordReed:
Dude stop being so juvenile. There are many dead threads on NL, what is special about one thread dying?

You yourself opened a thread that had only 44 responses some of which are your responses so what is so special about a thread dying again?

The thread I opened was just a topic of discussion, and after the discussion was done, should the thread continue?

An atheist thread dedicated to atheism died a sudden death. That wasn't a topic, it was a caucus thread that could not keep feeding its caucus.

Did the thread die because atheism was done on Nairaland?

Lol.

LordReed:
Who is the they? Since when have multiple people started creating threads on NL?

Where's is the thread dedicated to atheism here again? It's dead, isn't it?

Lol.

HISSCRIBE1995:
ATHEISM WOULD SUFFER SETBACK ON THIS FORUM WHEN THE TIME COMES

It's already suffering setbacks. They even created a thread that died a sudden death .

gaskiyamagana:
Laugh!
Laughing !!
Laughing -inginging....... unlimited!!!
May be you need to re taught what Book of God or Word of God is; as well as the word 'Holy ' ; simply because your words:
' Biology notes'
'you can make comparison between ( biology) notes to clarify CONFUSION you may find in some notes ' ; are shameful and unbefitting to be associated with anything that has to with TRUE, HOLY AND INFALLIBLE GOD.
Again, your response to the missing verse is another ignorant of DEFICIENCIES of your holy book, yet arrogantly claiming knowledge of Islam holy book.
"If this occurrence happens in multiple places, then there will be rooms for concern."
Dodging or hypocrite or cover up that there are tens of verses remove or review from early bible as in the today bibles? Ask you co-Kafiruna and religion Nuisance in Nairaland, TenQ, l have listed them to him above in this subject matter, up till moment neither did he acknowledge or explain why biblical God is FALLIBLE, ERRORBILE AND MISTAKEABLE that his sons are shameful of and started deleting, removing and correcting their holy father's Words.
"...there could be errors of omission during the process.." ; as you said above is COMPLETE or PARTIAL acceptance that bible is fool of ERRORS?

No one claimed the Bible came down from heaven as you claimed for the Quran. Your Quran has been proven to have many irreconcilable ERRORS both in contents and ideology. Notable Nairalanders such as TenQ and Advocatejare have dedicated threads for this. I might have to call on them to enlighten your ignorance.

What is the Bible? It is man's compilation of God's dealings with Israel, detailing God's love for man and God's plan of salvation through Jesus Christ. It contains Israel's history as they walked with God - giving us insight into God's personality and essence.

The Bible is written 100% by man but directed by God. The preservation of the Bible is in itself a miracle because many world powers have sought to annihilate it. Yet it survived completely today. This is unlike the Quran of Mohammed which is lost. I heard from good authority that Muslims today use the re-writen Quran of one Uthman. And there are so many versions of the same quran with varying inconsistencies.

The Bible has lived thousands of years before the Quran. All manuscripts and codexes contain the Bible in its complete form. Some manuscripts are no more. Some have their parts affected by natural phenomenon. Each Bible manuscript is complete on its own . None depends on the other to assume completeness. So, saying the Bible isn't complete because of the loss of one or more manuscripts is childish. Comparison can be made between manuscripts to find understanding of contexts or to clarify texts. If you don't understand what I meant by clarifying confusion, that's it.

The loss of one manuscripts or codex does not affect the completeness of the Bible in any sense of the word. God has ensured there are several manuscripts and codexes in existence which play complementary roles for each other in clarifying various parts or contexts.

As for the Quran, the original book is lost. Infact it was burnt up. What you have in your hand is the 'holy Quran of Uthman'