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AbuTwins:
If a father deals differently with his sons, is that father fair and Just?

Why did Jesus say in Matthew 5:17:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

He is not dealing differently with His sons. I told you Israel is included in God's Father dealings with the world. God deals with everyone now as a Father, including Israel.

Don't get confused please.

AbuTwins:
You meant God was brutal in the Old testament and changed in the New Testament?

Can God change?

Even Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law and the Prophets but to fulfil it. So why are you guys running from same laws?

God doesn't change.

The Old Testament is God's dealings with Israel as a nation. The New Testament is God's dealings with the whole world.

God is the same. But the method He used in governing Israel is different from the method He is using in relating with the world.

AbuTwins:
Are the Laws from your God? FxMasterz!

As the Theocratic King of Israel, those laws were for National Constitution.

God relates with the world as a A Father and not as a Theocratic King as He did with Israel. As the Father God that He is, the laws are not applicable to us. Infact God abolished those laws when He shifted His focus from Israel to the whole world. God relates with us as a Father. Embrace Him as a son. Even Israel who was once under God's Theocrstuc rule is included in the current Fatherly relationship of God.

AbuTwins:
Continued from https://www.nairaland.com/8055429/right-women-islam-lying-west by HISSCRIBE1995



HISSCRIBE1995 and Fxmasterz are all these laws inspired and in your Bible?

Women suffer pains as a result of the curse which God gave as a punishment for disobedience in the garden of Eden. Man's punishment was for his to toil hard before he gets food to eat. The church that took a stance against women taking anaesthesia during childbirth were simply ignorant.

All the laws you quoted are the constitutions God gave Israel for use in national administration and governance. It has nothing to do with religion or Christianity.

The problem with you guys is that you cannot differentiate between God's theocratic dealings with Israel as a nation from God's dealings with the world as a Father.

AbuTwins:
I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns[diadems].

He has a name written on him that no one but he himself knows. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
(Revelation 19:11-16 NIV)

Who is gonna make war with Justice?
Who taught war to the Prince of peace? (that is if it is the Prince of Prince)
Why the bloodied robe?
Sharp sword is even coming from his mouth to strike down nations

You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword,” says the LORD (YAHWEH). Zephaniah 2:12

Do not assume that I (Jesus) have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

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Fxmasterz
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Ken4Christ
BeigJawnson
Aemmyjah

1. The scripture in Revelation is talking about a future time when Jesus would return to the earth as a Judge.

This is corroborated by a verse in your Islamic books:

"The Hadith of Abu Hurariah (Sahih Bukhari 4:55:657) says, “… surely (Jesus), the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind…"

Don't be deceived, Jesus is coming to judge all unrighteousness.

2. The scripture on "Do not assume that I have come to bring peace..."

You should quote the chapter in full to see that Jesus was prophesying about how families and friends who do not know God would persecute those who give their lives to Christ.

In John 16:2, Jesus said to us:

"In fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God."

Look around you, it is already happening today. If you want to test the fulfilment of that prophecy, you can go and tell your Muslim family that you are now a Christian. If they don't behead you, then, you should thank God. You would definitely suffer for becoming a Christian. The peace would leave your family because darkness hates light, and when light shines, darkness is disturbed and must therefore fight back.

Take Jesus and His cross out of the world today, Boko haram, ISIS, Al-qaeda, and all the terrorist organizations would disappear. Peace is taken because Satan must attack light. There's a constant war being waged by the kingdom of darkness against the kingdom of light.

May God open your eyes.

HISSCRIBE1995:
ISLAM WAS FOUNDED BY SATAN TO IN ORDER TO DISCREDIT CHRISTIANITY

Absolutely correct.

Allah is a liar (The best of l-mākirīna: the best of deceivers). Mohammed was a liar who said camel urine cures all diseases. Why would Muslims not lie?

AbuTwins:
FXmasterz

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That one is a Charlatan. A fake prophet.

shoodboi2:
Joel Cauchi is not African and he's not a Muslim. If he were, they would have plastered their headlines with "Muslim man this" and "African migrant that" but he's white, so they say he has mental illness.

But now that he is a White Christian man, they are saying there's no "ideological motive" because presumably, he needs to be a Muslim or African to have an ideological motive. If he were a Muslim, they would've started mentioning Islam as if he did it because of religion and not because he's just being nasty.

And if he were an African migrant, that will even be worse. They will use it to support their removal of Africans and blacks from Australia and justify denying us visas because according to them, we are wild animals that need to be tamed.

This clearly is a clear case of the anti-African and anti-Islamic posture being spread by western media.

If he shouted Alahu akbar while perpetrating the crime, then he would be tagged a Muslim terrorist.

Did the man shout halleluyah when commiting the crime to make anyone tag him religiously?

AbuTwins:
Stop repeating the lies hoping to make it true!

I can't call Indaboski your pastor!
I can't call TB Joshua your pastor!
I can't call Orimolade of C and S your pastor!

Why do you have to lie that someone is my Alfa?

Ignorant ignoramus!

Is he not a Muslim cleric? Are you not a Muslim? Is he not one of your Muslim clerics?

Why do you want to deny him? Is it because you're ashamed of the moon and star symbol by his image?

AbuTwins:
You lied that someone is my Alfa and I exposed your lies that I don't know him.

Listen to my advice and stop exposing your ignorance and low IQ especially regarding islamic matters!

You're a liar my friend.

I said 'one of your alfas' meaning one of the Muslim alfas. You denied him and said he's not your Alfa. I asked you if you have your own special Alfa, your retorted to insults.

You're the one who's ignorant and of low IQ.

AbuTwins:
Where did I say that?

Why are you always telling lies like this?

You denied the alfa who was posing with a symbol of the the moon and star. You said he's not your Alfa as though he's not a Muslim. Do you have your own personal Alfa who does not use the moon and star as a symbol? I ask again.

You're the one who has been lying.

Antiislaam:
Stop drinking expired camel urine but you won't hear

Lol

Expired camel urine.

😂 😂

Antiislaam:
The demons that induced emotions of anger into the life of Muhammad are the set of demonic spirit working in their lives

It's a demonic baptism.

Antiislaam:
They are good at insulting when truth is making them uncomfortable

It's a demonic motivation. The demon would induce an emotion of anger in them which would blind them from the truth you're showing them. You know, when you're angry, you'll hardly see the real picture until your anger is abated. It's a demonic tactic from hell to keep them in perpetual bondage.

AbuTwins:
Stop telling lies as he's not my Alfa! I never showed you my Alfa!

People use it and it's an innovation that even has no importance!

Lol.

So, you have a personal Alfa who doesn't have or use a moon and star symbol?

Why are you getting so agitated?

Antiislaam:
Too much lies when they have no escaping route to lie again, it is then they turn to abusing their generation at home

I tell you bro. That's their tactic. The moment the start throwing insults, I begin to ignore them.

AbuTwins:
Show us the moon and star as our symbols in Islamic text not from Google!

How can you be this ignorant?

What are your symbols, care to share? We see, moon and star on almost every mosque. What are they doing there?

This is even one of your alfas who sent me his pictures of recent.

AbuTwins:
Who built it?

How did it get there?

You are the liar that said trinity is biblical yet was quoting dubious verses from KJV.

Look here, I have many verses for the Trinity doctrine but the issue of the Trinity is not within your boundary. Stick to your Islamic doctrines and let christians discuss their doctrines amongst themselves.

I'll discuss any historical facts related to the Bible with you. If you want to know more about Jesus as a person, then I'll share that with you too. If you want clarifications for historical differences between the Bible and the Quran, I'll be obliged as well.

As long as I'll not argue Islamic doctrines with a Muslim, no Muslim should come and be arguing bible doctrines.

Your Quran is a dubious book in its entirety yet you cling to it and call a biblical verse dubious because you reject what it says?

AbuTwins:
So Google is our Qur'an and Sunnah?

Alright i will leave you in your ignorance but try and say this in public verbally one you'll be so disgraced by you ignorance!

My friend, the image of the mosque I posted was not built by Google.

Antiislaam:
AntiChristian the chief slave of allah here on nairaland is no where to be found again

Are Allah, Mohammed and their Quran easy to defend? The lies are too much, and you must keep cracking your brains for more lies to defend the lies. Abeg free antichristian.

Abutwins is even denying that the moon and star are symbols of Islam.

AbuTwins:
I don't know whose symbol is the moon and star!

But if you see them in the Qur'an and Sunnah you can show me!

If you can't then keep shut!

You're an hypocrite!

This is Taqquiya at best. You're denying what is generally known as the symbols of Islam!

AbuTwins:
Yeah, we observe the moon every month to signify the beginning and end of each month just as the Gregorian Calendar is based on Sun our own calendar is based on the moon!

What kind of Islam?

You are the one who is extremely ignorant!

You don't even know Lunar Calendar is by counting from the moon. Yet you are saying Muslims worship moon with your ignorant folks.
See the attached for each days as the moon lightens up!

YOU really need knowledge!

What brand of Islam do you practice whose symbol is not the moon and the star?

AbuTwins:
These are five out of the many examples of verses that have been changed or modified in newer translations like the Revised Standard Version (RSV) or New International Version (NIV) compared to the King James Version (KJV), along with brief reasons for the changes:

1. Matthew 6:13:
KJV: "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."
RSV, NIV: This part is omitted in many modern translations as it is not found in some of the earliest manuscripts.

2. Acts 8:37:
KJV: This verse is present in the KJV but omitted in many modern translations due to textual variations in early manuscripts.
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God

3. 1 John 5:7-8:
KJV: Contains the "Johannine Comma" ("For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." which is missing in modern translations as it is not found in early Greek manuscripts.

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses—

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

4. Mark 16:9-20:
KJV: The ending of Mark's Gospel in the KJV includes verses 9-20, but many modern translations note that these verses are absent in some of the oldest manuscripts.

5. Luke 17:36:
KJV: This verse is present in the KJV but omitted in modern translations due to textual uncertainties and variations in manuscripts.

This shows how varied the Bible could be according to particular translations!

FxMasterz

Verses expunged from scripture do not mean anything to us Christians. The ones expunged may or may not be the Word of God. Yet, it does not in anyway negate the fact that the ones that are not expunged are the inspired writings.

It's the Quran that can be seen to fail using this yardstick simply because the Quran claims to be verbatim word of God. The Bible makes no such claims. The Bible was written by men inspired or moved of God into writing.

While the Quran fails woefully by having numerous differentiated versions of the so called verbatim word of God. The Bible does not live or die on whether verses were expunged or not. Each person copying from ancient manuscripts follow their individual convictions about what they think is right or wrong. As long as any word or verse exists in an authentic manuscript, we christians consider it the word of God. That's why during Bible studies, we study different versions of the Bible together to see the whole picture regarding a chapter or verse. The only thing that can easily cast aspersions on the Bible is if a particular verse or chapter was included in the Bible which is not found anywhere in any manuscript. If you can find such verse, then you have a point. But I can assure you that there's no such verse.

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Has there ever been a debate about whether God is One in Christianity? Has there ever been any debate in this regards? More so Arius was a Priest in the 4th Century who believed Jesus was not divine. It was the council of Nicaea that turned him and his opinion heretic! If a Christian Priest could believe Jesus was not divine in the 4th century and that the father is superior to Jesus that means the debate was skewed in favor of the majority who thought of adding Trinity to the Bible as it can't be proved without ambiguity from the Bible!

Is there not anyone who at one time or the other has had conflicting ideas regarding the doctrines of Islam? Can we say that Islamic ideologies are screwed in favour of the majority who hold contrary opinions? There's only one God. And that's who all christians serve.

When you quote our text we didn't say you are an unbeliever and mustn't touch our text or that you need one spirit to understand!

But it seems you failed to grasp the import of what I said. We don't argue with you regarding your internal doctrines, do we? We argue with you regarding moral or scientific claims, historical facts and testimonies borne by your fellow Muslims in your hafith and Tafsiri. Have you ever seen us coming for you regarding your doctrines?

This is a false equivalence. Man is an entity. The Spirit cannot separate from the Body like Jesus, Spirit and Father exists in a Trinity. When God created Adam He breath the soul/spirit in to him.

Man is one being with 3 components playing different roles in his life. Of course, those who do Astra projections leave their bodies behind to attend cosmic meetings or do some sorts of evil. A man dies when his spirit and soul leaves his body behind.

While man cannot physically separate those entities of his. That's not impossible for God. Man is just a miniature replica of whom God is in His essence.

Can we say when God created the Father he breath the soul/Spirit in the son/holy Spirit? Or how do we relate this to the trinity?
It doesn't make any sense equating man to the trinitarian triune!

That's why you must keep within the confines of your Islamic doctrines. What you wrote up there is not the ideology behind the Trinity. It is jargons as best, and of course, as you said, it's quite illogical. That's not what Trinity is.

There's nothing like God creating the Father jargons or Father breathing into His Son. Your understanding of these things is to be premised first on some basic fundamentals about God. You cannot discuss Trinity if you don't really know who God is.

I said this earlier but you still fell into it. Read again below:

1 John 5:7 is one of the dubious verse and it reads:
King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses—

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony:

So you can see above that your trinity was proved from a dubious verse inserted by lovers of trinity among the early Church scribes!

You should expect the translators to translate in line with their individual understanding of the Trinity concept. Have you considered the original Greek word for word? The verse was not originally written in English.

AbuTwins:
This discussion here is about trinity. And we still await anyone to give us Directs proofs for trinity in the Bible!
You can create your thread on Kaaba as I did here and mentioned you!

Trinity is a doctrinal issue among Christians. It's of no concern to a Muslim except he's thinking about practicing Christianity. And you don't become a Christian by thinking about practicing Christianity. You become a Christian by having an encounter with Jesus.

AbuTwins:
My mosques does not contain those things! Why are you telling lies about my mosque?

But you still observe the moon for fasting. And are you saying the mosques that have such symbols are fake? You mean it's a different Islam you practice? Can you tell me about your kind of Islam?

[quote author=AbuTwins post=129406900]Fxmasterz

1. If trinity was proven according to the Bible why the need for credal debates and endorsements?

Credal debates stem from individual or group understanding of particular portions of scripture. The existence of Credal debates do not imply something is not proven in scripture. Interpretations are based on different understandings.

2. Since you claim trinity exists somewhere in the Bible can you please show us trinity without eisegesis nor exegesis! I don't need any of your subjective premises here. Objectivity is what is needed! And do quote Biblical verses acceptable in all Bible versions not the ones present in KJV and not in RSV or NIV.

This is not a topic for an unbeliever to dabble into but I'll give you some clues;

1. God said He created man in His own image. Man himself is a triune being (Having Spirit, Soul and Body). God, in whose image man was created would most possibly be a triune being too.

2. Frequent references to the Trinity of God are found both in the Old and New Testaments. The concept of Father, Son and Holy Spirit were found in the Bible and not outside the Bible. 1 John 5:7 reads: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

AbuTwins:
Show us a proof from our text!

The altar of Jesus and Mary exists in the Roman Catholic churches. But that doesn't mean it is biblical.

This is why I always call you ignoramus with the holy spirit!

My mosque has no such symbols and so many other mosques!

Are your mosques a deviation from your texts? The symbols are on all your mosques. What hypocritical request are you making?

AbuTwins:
I never said trinity is the only topic that generated credal debates. I wrote it in the facts and background what debates existed in Christianity among the church fathers, etc.

Is it not being myopic running away from your topic and wanting to jump to our own topic? Is this what your jesus and spirit thought you of fairness and justice?



This is complete nonsense. You prompted me to create a thread and then you shy away when the thread is created!

I will also be discussing the Kaaba with Muslims too!

We ask Allah to increase your IQ and guide you aright!

I have only be looking at my mentions without knowing that I'm already on a new thread. I'll respond accordingly.

AbuTwins:
I never said trinity is the only topic that generated credal debates. I wrote it in the facts and background what debates existed in Christianity among the church fathers, etc.

Is it not being myopic running away from your topic and wanting to jump to our own topic? Is this what your jesus and spirit thought you of fairness and justice?



This is complete nonsense. You prompted me to create a thread and then you shy away when the thread is created!

I will also be discussing the Kaaba with Muslims too!

We ask Allah to increase your IQ and guide you aright!

I think you should focus on your internal credal debates in Islam. Right now, I'll like us to discuss where God is rather than who God is. Unprofitable debates about the Trinity with an unbeliever is useless.

You discussing the ka'aba with Muslims is useless because the issue of the ka'aba is not doctrinal. While I'll discuss other issues freely with you regarding Christianity. It's not wise to discuss doctrinal issues with an antichristian personality. To what purpose?

Ka'aba issue is not a doctrinal issue. You should learn to differentiate doctrines from history! You'll see that your prayers for good IQ should be for yourself and not for me.

Now, did Abraham found the ka'aba? Let's establish the truth here and dispell the lies.

AbuTwins:
Why not?

Start it personally and mention me!

Don't send your oga o!

Nice one.

Everyone knowledgeable about the topic would contribute. Who are you afraid of?

AbuTwins:
Show us the verses that states that moon and stars are symbols of Islam ?

Was it ever used during the Prophet's time?

Do show us?

My friend, are you trying to deny the obvious? Have you ever seen a mosque without the symbols?