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AbuTwins:
I gave you Qur'an verses and you're asking for screenshots?

Give me the verses that approves the screenshots?

Please I beg you kindly elevate your IQ.

How can any sane mind compare the Qur'an verses that differentiate Allah and Ba'al to screenshots not founded in the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah of Islam?

IAre the moon and star not the same symbols of Allah as they are for Baal?

Please be sincere with yourself.

advocatejare:
Muslims and demons share the same religion

Lol.

AbuTwins:
Nothing was salvaged bro!

From historicity wherein the church father adopted trinity, the books of the Bibles,etc. No holy spirit was involved.

Even till the 14th century when Martin Luther started the protestant revolution....

The history is a mess if I open it.

Trinity is absolutely biblical. If men lost sound doctrines, God can guide them to find it again in His Words. Christianity is an individual thing. A personal walk with God.

Yes, Martin Luther started the protestant revolution. That doesn't mean that there were no true Christians in the world even in his time.

Would you now talk about Abraham and the ka'aba?

advocatejare:
Of course, they know they are serving a demon. They lied that they are serving the same God of Moses which is known as Yahweh, yet none of Allah’s name is Yahweh

Yahweh doesn't have a moon and star symbol. The worshippers don't bleed themselves for Him. He cannot be confined into a ka'aba. He is everywhere you face. You don't need to face mecca before you pray to Him. Indeed they're demon worshippers. And even more interesting is that some of these demons are Muslims.

AbuTwins:
Where did I say anything was fabricated?

The "Baal is Allah" lies your were spreading the pics have you apologised that you lied against Allah and Islam?

Even the link posted by your brother contains the lies!

A congregation of Christian liars on nairaland!

Please dispute the screenshots I attached. Are the screenshots also lies?

AbuTwins:
You didn't even mention the councils of nicea and Constantinople? What about Athanasius and Arius?

What about the creed of Nicaea? The Constantinopolitan creed and others?

The gathering where Jesus was fixed to be equal with the father and later holy spirit was joined in!

Tell us the historicity in full as you can't do without the above named!

Search more!

Do you want to hear about what men did or what God did?

Didn't you read where I said Roman Catholicism corrupted Christianity but God salvaged it through some special messengers?

Do you want God or religion?

advocatejare:
Yes. Allah is the pagan moon god.

Ilah is the generic name for God.


Muslims know that Allah is not God, that is why their Shahada reads “no Ilah except Allah”

They know that Allah is not God (Ilah)

So, they know?

Interesting.

Ken4Christ:
Amen. Please can you message me on . I love to discuss a private matter with you. Thanks.

Done brother.

AbuTwins:
Stop responding to me as you keep showing your ignorance. You shouldn't talk at all if you don't know anything!
How do you know what is and what is not from our books since you admit you are ignorant on Islamic text?

What does Suyuti: Itqan part 3, page 72 mean? Is it an Hadith or a Qur'an verse or words of Scholars?

Suyuti is an Islamic Scholar!
Al-Suyooti is al-Haafiz ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn al-Kamaal Abi Bakr ibn Muhammad ibn Saabiq al-Deen ibn al-Fakhr ibn ‘Uthmaan al-Suyooti. His nickname was Jalaal al-Deen and his patronymic was Abu’l-Fadl. He was born in 849 AH and grew up as an orphan. He memorized the Qur’aan before he was eight years old and was active in seeking knowledge from an early age. He travelled extensively in the pursuit of knowledge, and went to Syria, the Hijaaz, India and the Maghreb (north Africa). He wrote many books on various branches of knowledge, including Tafseer (Qur’aanic commentary), hadeeth, fiqh (jurisprudence), biographies and history. He worked hard in compiling material, and because he collected so much, his books contain saheeh (sound), da’eef (weak) and mawdoo’ (fabricated) reports, and both true and false material.

It was said that he wrote nearly 600 books. He died (may Allaah have mercy on him) in 911 AH. Aamin.

You were the one mentioned me when I called your attention to what my brother, TenQ wrote. Even though I'm not knowledgeable about your books, yet you couldn't give me any concrete answers to the questions asked.

Are you saying that Tafsiri was fabricated? What are the proofs?

AbuTwins:
Remove the planks in your face before you come here to remove mine!

I have been telling you to discuss the historicity of your Bible since morning haven't you been running from pillar to post?

You will keep hiding behind him your small oga god!

Olodo Surutu Itquan 3:72 Ignoramus with the holy Spirit!

Smiling.

The historicity of the Bible is summarized like this:

The Lord Jesus came as promised by the Father to present Himself as a lamb that takes away the sins of the world. After Jesus left, many wrote different accounts of what they knew about God's plan of salvation through Jesus Christ. Some wrote to make names for themselves, others wrote as they were moved by God to write, and some others were instructed by the disciples of Christ to write.

Christianity was brutally fought against. Successive Roman empires sought to stamp out the church but they couldn't. These groups held neither guns nor swords but the Word of God continued to spread. The emperors of Rome killed many, including the disciples of Christ but the Word of God was not killable.

Then came Constantine who through dishonesty wanted to make Christianity the religion of the state. God used him to lay the foundation for putting together the Bible as there's no one God cannot use. Before then, Christians were already using some 21 books as part of the New testament scriptures.

Satan fought the light of the Gospel, and through Roman Catholicism, Christianity was corrupted. But God raised men like John Calvin and Martin Luther and several others who were mightily used of God to restore the light of the Gospel as we have it today.

It's a pity that mohammed came in contact with the Bible during the dark ages when the satanic corruption was still at its peak, and only a few Christians really knew Jesus. It is still the same thing today. Fake pastors are very many but true pastors are few. Many Christians are mere church goers who do not know Jesus.

The preservation of the Truth as we have it today is a great miracle that attests to the power of God made available through Christ Jesus.

Would you now talk about Abraham and the ka'aba?

AbuTwins:
You don't read that why you'll remain ignorant!

How many scribes does the Prophet have during his lifetime? Do you think he had only one?
And what does cramming mean? "study intensively over a short period of time just before an examination" What exam is he expecting?
Who was left behind? Just mention his name?
Who claimed he forgot the verses? Give references?
All the Caliphs were memorisers of the Qur'an and many other top Sahabah. I can see the list above. But as usual you guys type twice as much as you read!

What does Surutu Itquan 3:72 mean?

Your name should be changed to ignoramus!

You already know what I meant. You've read the verse I referred to. I'm not a Muslim and I don't read Islamic texts.

All were stating were quoted directly from your books. A book clearly stated that most of the quaranic texts were lost and that you should never claim perfect knowledge of the Quran. Your crammers also claimed to have forgotten some verses? Where's the preservation?

Suyuti: Itqan part 3, page 72 to be precise.

AbuTwins:
Rashduct4luv don plug the holes above!

Let's wait for the rantings of your Oga at the top!

You sabi tell lies but you get oga!

Why is it that you Muslims become militant when one is pointing the truth to you?

No one is fighting you or your religion. We're here to help you remove the scales of deception and enable you see things the way they are for the eternal benefit of your soul.

I'm sure TenQ would respond accordingly.

Would you talk to me about Abraham building the foundation of news ka'aba? Let's dissect this lie also.

AbuTwins:
The Lord of the Kaaba when Abraham raised it foundation was Allah!

The Lord of the Kaaba till now is Allah!

You are still a liar!
You and all your Christian guys including the website link!

Can you prove that Abraham raised the foundation of the ka'aba? Abraham had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the ka'aba. That's another Islamic lies.

Can you see from the attached screenshot that an ordinary Google search for Lord of the Ka'aba brought forth Hubal?

Rashduct4luv:
From my post here in 2019 https://www.nairaland.com/5569177/wrote-quraan-how-it-put

No one said Allah didn't give a guarantee for preserving the Quran. The question is: Was he able to fulfil that guarantee?

The answer can only be answered by history. The history of how the Quran was preserved before it was written down shows that Allah didn't fulfil that guarantee because:

1. The best crammer of the Quran was ignored during the compilation.

2. Many of the crammers claimed to have forgotten several verses.

3. One Zaid went searching for a missing verse which probably came into his mind. Can we ascertain the number of verses that were also omitted why never came into his mind, and the numerous others whose existence he knew nothing about.

4. I drew your attention to a verse that actually says categorically that many verses of the Quran has been lost, and that none of you should boast of having the complete quran. I think its found in one Surutu Itquan 3:72 or so.

AbuTwins:
Bring your Proof!

This is not like Trinity which there is no proof anywhere in the Bible!

Show us proof Hubal wasn't destroyed!

Did you see the attachments?

Who was the Lord of the Ka'aba before Islam, and who is the Lord of the ka'aba in Islam?

Read this link below:
https://answeringislamblog./2020/03/20/the-religion-of-islam-the-reemergence-of-baal-worship/

AbuTwins:
There are too many holes in his post!
Make una all feel high for some time.

I never get your time!

You would have done well to point out the holes. I'll believe the holes are imaginary until you point them out.

TenQ:
They are so prone to lying that it is impossible for them to do Islam properly without incorporating lies.

Unfortunately for them, it is easy to deflate a lie with appropriate questions.

This I have done: now they are afraid.

I asked them just three questions

Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?

Have you gotten any answers yet? Abutwins and I have been discussing together here since morning. He did attempt any of the questions?

AbuTwins:
This is why i sent you the hadiths where all the idols were destroyed!

Read and don't be ignorant!

There were 360 idols in there. Hubal was not destroyed. It was elevated to Illah and later, its second name 'Allah' was used as 'God' instead of Illah which is the original word for God in Arabic.

AbuTwins:
Show me where Hubal means Allah in Islam and not on a Christian website!

That is what is logical!

I have updated the last comment with hadith where idols are to be destroyed!
Read it and don't be ignorant!

Who says Hubal MEANS Allah? Hubal is Baal and Baal is Allah.

See the screenshots below. Could these be a mere coincidence?

AbuTwins:
It is foolishness making this claim as you don't even know the reference you are quoting from.
There's absolutely nothing i can say to an already prejudiced mind!

Can you explain the reference he quoted from? Is it an Hadith? Or Qur'an verse? Or from a Scholar of Islam?

The issue i always have with you is the claim that you have the infallible Holy Spirit in you. Yet you keep making blunders toddlers shouldn't make!

Was the said book written by a Christian?

AbuTwins:
Anyone can put up anything in the link!
I can prove to you from your Bible that the same theos used for logos in John 1:1 is the same theos used for Satan in 2 Cor 4:4. This doesn't involve any external link. Just your Bible!

Give me where Hubal is Allah in any Authentic Islamic text!

You will lie and call other liars illogically!

So, you expect Islamic texts to tell you that Hubal is Allah?

Theos is a general word which means a god or a goddess. So, Satan can be called theos by whoever sees him as such.

And as such satan is the 'theos' of this world according to 2 Cor. 4:4.

But Jehovah is our own Theos.

TenQ:
Even Mohammed himself forgot the Quran.
Why wouldn't he tell Muslims to take the Quran from him rather than his four anointed memorisers.
What would Islam be without lies?

How can Allah cause the Quran to be forgotten and then he brings BETTER or SIMILAR Quran.

Meaning that the Quran is NOT near resembling perfection.





Suyuti: Itqan, part 3, page 72
’Ibn Umar al–Khattab explicitly admits,
"Let no one of you say that he has acquired the entire Qur’an for how does he know that it is all? Much of the Qur’an has been lost, thus let him say, ‘I have acquired of it what is available"’.

Gbam!

This nails it

Lukuluku69, Antichristian and Abutwins would say this hadith was fabricated. They should please consider the eternal destination of their souls. Forget loyalty to any religion and seek to know the true God. That's the right attitude for salvation.

I advice Muslims to read the Bible for themselves devoid of any bias and also pray with all sincerity "Jesus, I do not believe you are God because the Quran says you're not God. And I do not understand your Godship because I believe you're just a servant like any other prophet. But, I want to seek the truth of who you are. Please if truly you are the Savior, reveal yourself to me as I go through this Bible."

I can assure my Muslim friends that if they pray that prayer above in all sincerity, they'll have Devine encounters with the Almighty God.

Another eye opening thread was opened by Advocatejare, Lukuluku69 was busy cursing instead of him to reexamine what he just read. The images of Baal's striking symbolism with Allah should be some foods for thought. But I'm surprised, the Muslim guy was cursing the person who was telling him the truth.

advocatejare:
Na so we see am, humans beings preaching to jinns and jinns converting to Islam.

Na so people like Lukuluku69 dey reason

I was very concerned by this writeup so much so that I had to go online to see things for myself. I found the following link which sheds more lights on how Illah is the actual word for God in Islam and how the Hubal, the moon god of arabia who is also called Allah and known in the Bible as Baal was elevated to be God. Then, his name Allah was changed to the name of God. How the Arabian used their authority on the Arabic language to make everyone see the name Allah as meaning God so much so that even some Bible translators got caught in the web of that deception.

Full details are on the following link:
https://manovaonline.com/news_detail/177/english

I hope antichristian and Abutwins would read the link too.

My earnest prayer is for everyone of our Muslim brothers to see the truth and be free.

advocatejare:
Do you know why some Islamic sect cut themselves to bring out blood? It’s because they worship Baal!

Hmm!

It's very clear.

advocatejare:
Have you ever thought of why Muslims have crescent moon at the top of the minarets of their mosques? It’s because their god is Baal/Allah, the moon pagan god!

The attached images are quite informative.

Bal = Allah. Confirmed!

advocatejare:
To further expose this demonic religion, a whole chapter of the Quran was named after demons (jinns), they call it Sura Al- Jinn (sura 72) and the demons were claiming to be Muslims in that surah

Muslims share religion with demons


And today, you will hear some of them claiming that they are preaching to demons to accept Islam and the demons are doing so 😂

Chai!

This is preposterous. Preaching to demons? Demons converting to Islam? There are Muslim demons? Chai!

Abutwins please I need your attention on this thread.

TenQ:
This is what they said in the compilation of the Quran

Sahih al-Bukhari 5005
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
`Umar said, Ubai was the best of us in the recitation (of the Qur'an) yet we leave some of what he recites.' Ubai says, 'PI have taken it from the mouth of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and will not leave for anything whatever." But Allah said "None of Our Revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We substitute something better or similar." 2.106


Imagine the audacity to leave out SOME of what Ubai (the best of them in recitation) recites.

This had been happening since the time of Mohammed!

Till today it seems many verses of the Quran is lost or deliberately deleted

Sahih Muslim 1050
Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said:
You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practise" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13).


The verse:
"If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust."
is no more in the current Quran

Hahaha, I see scam written all over the place.

1. Allah says he makes sure the crammers of the Quran don't forget what they crammed but he does substitute something better for them. That's to say, some old bad verses can be substituted for some new better verses. It seems Allah grows in wisdom to later realize that a verse is bad, then he causes the crammer.to forget the bad verses in preference for some newer better verses. Scam!!!


2. All these 'I have forgotten it' that are being said repeatedly shows that many parts of the Quran had been forgotten, and the Quran itself is not a complete book. The claim of perfect preservation is therefore false. They even left out some of the verses of their best crammer deliberately. This is deceit at best. It is a big scam!!

AbuTwins:
Paul had nothing! Tell us what he had and show us the proof of your claims.

You should ask me to give you proof and not just brandish me with the liar tag! You are the one in denial refusing to answer almost all the questions about historicity of your Bible here!



All your encounters circle around miracles or one form of negativities turned positive!
All religions have such!
Prove the historicity of the New testament vis a vis Trinity, Arius, Athanasius, Council of Nicea, Council of Constantinople, etc.

Read the testimonies of others about Paul. It far outweighs the testimony of others about Mohammed.

You don't have proof my friend. You're not taking with someone who does not know his Bible. Paul reprimanded Peter and Barnabas when they acted unscripturally out of fear of the Jews. They took it in good faith. Paul had no issue with anybody. If you have proofs for your claims, you won't wait for me to ask before showing it. Your militant attitude can still not cover up for the lies you're telling.

Encounters center around the miracle of salvation, the inner peace that follows and the resultant transformation that ensues. The very proof lies within the life of the individual who met Jesus.

AbuTwins:
Paul did had issues with some disciples of Jesus particularly the brothers of your God!



Tell me how do you encounter Jesus?
How do you know it was Jesus you encountered?
For you to know someone then you must have met the person before!
Did Moses, Abraham, Noah, David, John the Baptist, etc. encountered Jesus this same way?
Or is it a new way (since you said there was no new things in the Bible)?

Even Paul that never knew Jesus in real life claimed he met him as bright light!

Everyone started claiming they met Jesus from then!

How do you meet someone you never knew?

If you have what Paul had, you'll be a much better person than you are today.

And no, Paul had no issues with anyone whatsoever. That's actually a lie.

If you want to know how I met Jesus, wait for it. I'll share my testimony here on Nairaland some day. My dad was already an Evangelist but I was still practicing Christian religion until I met Jesus.

We're not talking about religion now. We're talking about encounters.

TenQ:
If the Quran of Abubakr was correct after its compilation, why was Zaid bin Thabit the second time looking for another missen verse.
Till today, we are still looking for the verses of breastfeeding adults ten times as it was part of the editing.


The first Time , Zaid said:
So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palme stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him.

The Second Time, Zaid said:
Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari.


The so called perfect preservation of the Quran: that was perfectly memorised by Muslims.

There's no guarantee that there are no other several missing verses.

How did Zaid realize that a verse was missing? Did he know the whole verses of the Quran to be able to detect missing, non missing and imported verses?

AbuTwins:
Tell me how do you encounter Jesus?
How do you know it was Jesus you encountered?
For you to know someone then you must have met the person before!
Did Moses, Abraham, Noah, David, John the Baptist, etc. encountered Jesus this same way?
Or is it a new way (since you said there was no new things in the Bible)?

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

Even the person acclaimed to have written the above fell into what he wrote!

The same light he met on the way from Damascus!

When you meet Jesus, you'll know beyond reasonable doubt that you've met him.

If Paul fell victim of what he wrote about, he would have been rejected by the followers of Christ who knew better than him.

When a person meets Jesus, you will know for sure you met Jesus. The signs are overwhelming. Very few people know Jesus even among so called christians.

You need to meet Jesus. No religion saves. Christianity inclusive. Only Jesus saves. He'll take you and make you a new man.

TenQ:
Of course
A difficult question to answer because lies had preceded Muslims about the perfect preservation of the Quran and now, answering the questions will betray that fact.


Can Muslims do without fabricating their Deen?

All manner of lies were told to hold these people in captivity.

Hehehe, the Quran was perfectly preserved indeed. Deceivers.