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Christianity Etc › Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by FxMasterz: 12:08pm On Apr 12, 2024

TenQ:
If the Quran of Abubakr was correct after its compilation, why was Zaid bin Thabit the second time looking for another missen verse.
Till today, we are still looking for the verses of breastfeeding adults ten times as it was part of the editing.

The first Time , Zaid said:
So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palme stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him.

The Second Time, Zaid said:
Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari.

The so called perfect preservation of the Quran: that was perfectly memorised by Muslims.

There's no guarantee that there are no other several missing verses.

How did Zaid realize that a verse was missing? Did he know the whole verses of the Quran to be able to detect missing, non missing and imported verses?

Christianity Etc › Re: Please, I Need Muslims To Answer These 4 Questions by FxMasterz: 11:54am On Apr 12, 2024

AbuTwins:
Tell me how do you encounter Jesus?
How do you know it was Jesus you encountered?
For you to know someone then you must have met the person before!
Did Moses, Abraham, Noah, David, John the Baptist, etc. encountered Jesus this same way?
Or is it a new way (since you said there was no new things in the Bible)?

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

Even the person acclaimed to have written the above fell into what he wrote!

The same light he met on the way from Damascus!

When you meet Jesus, you'll know beyond reasonable doubt that you've met him.

If Paul fell victim of what he wrote about, he would have been rejected by the followers of Christ who knew better than him.

When a person meets Jesus, you will know for sure you met Jesus. The signs are overwhelming. Very few people know Jesus even among so called christians.

You need to meet Jesus. No religion saves. Christianity inclusive. Only Jesus saves. He'll take you and make you a new man.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by FxMasterz: 11:39am On Apr 12, 2024

TenQ:
Of course
A difficult question to answer because lies had preceded Muslims about the perfect preservation of the Quran and now, answering the questions will betray that fact.

Can Muslims do without fabricating their Deen?

All manner of lies were told to hold these people in captivity.

Hehehe, the Quran was perfectly preserved indeed. Deceivers.

Christianity Etc › Re: Please, I Need Muslims To Answer These 4 Questions by FxMasterz: 10:46am On Apr 12, 2024

AbuTwins:
Okay here is a video of a Pastor reverting to Islam and closing down all 8 locations of his churches around New York! June 26, 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MumA8_WEjUI

He even converted 12 Pastors with him!

Let me keep bringing you the stories you want now so you can cry well!

We're not talking about conversions but transformations. Even many pastors don't know Jesus. They need an encounter with Jesus. Anyone can be a pastor. But not everyone has an encounter that leads to transformation.

If you want to meet Jesus today, He'll reveal Himself to you and transform you. It doesn't matter whether you're a pastor or a Christian of many generations. If you've not met Jesus, your Pastorship and Christianity are mere titles.

You need Jesus. He's the only One who can put a new you in a new jacket.

Christianity Etc › Re: Please, I Need Muslims To Answer These 4 Questions by FxMasterz: 9:57am On Apr 12, 2024

AbuTwins:
So if the Buddhist/Hindus Scriptures transforms lives then it must be inspired? The end will always justify the means! And what lives are transformed?

Where did he meet Jesus? Show us the video where he met him? Proof to us he meet the Arab African Palestine-Israeli Jesus and not the White man Jesus Rome sold to you!

Show us where they met Jesus and proof to us how it was Jesus they met?

Where did he meet Jesus? Show us the video where he met him? Proof to us he meet the Arab African Palestine-Israeli Jesus and not the White man Jesus Rome sold to you!

Where did he meet Jesus? Show us the video where he met him? Proof to us he meet the Arab African Palestine-Israeli Jesus and not the White man Jesus Rome sold to you!

Every major religion has one or more of these kind of stories! I can share you stories and videos too!

Discuss the Historicity of the Bible and tell us how it was preserved till today?

The buddhist don't have any claim of transformed lives. Neither does Islam.

All religions put a new jacket on an old man. No one disputes that. But only Jesus puts a new man in a new jacket. That's the difference. When you see a new man in a new jacket, you can be sure it can only be done by Jesus.

If you desire a transformation today, Jesus would reveal Himself to you. He'll transform your life and make you a new man clothed in righteousness and enveloped by the unmistakable Presence of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Please, I Need Muslims To Answer These 4 Questions by FxMasterz: 9:44am On Apr 12, 2024

AbuTwins:
This is not a diversion at all. You can respond to it and respond to others or are you afraid to talk about Biblical breasts?

Carnal minds wrote most of the Bible and there was no Holy Spirit involved. In fact many were just writing Books and the Church fathers chose what they thought was okay to prove the Greek trinity Polytheism!

Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, even as they delivered them unto us... Luke 1:1-3

What is the Historicity of the old testament and New testament?
Is there any carbon dated manuscript of the entire Bible before 400AD?
How can you proof the Bible is truly the inspired word of God and that those who it acclaims wrote it?

If you want to know whether the Bible is inspired, look at the lives it has transformed.

- Chronic Islamic terrorists who encounter Jesus through it get entirely saved and transformed. One of the numerous examples is Imad ud-din Lahiz who was an Islamic writer, preacher and Quranic translator, who met Jesus and was transformed by the Word of God. Check out his life today.

- Chronic sinners such as armed robbers and hardened criminals who encounter Jesus through it get transformed. Kayode Williams was such an armed robber who terrorised south western Nigeria in the 80s and early 90s. He encountered Jesus and got transformed through the Word of God. Check out his life today.

- High ranking members of the occult who encounter Jesus through it get transformed. Nathan Uzorma is one of the numerous cultists who encountered Jesus during one his occult operations. He renounced Satan, embraced Jesus and became transformed by the Word of God. Check out his life today. He even wrote a book "Occult Grandmaster Now in Christ"

My dad was a chronic womanizer and lover of bottles. He battled these vices until he encountered Jesus. His life was transformed. The chronic womanizer in him disappeared, and he grew in faith to become an Evangelist who was filled with the power of God before he departed this earth.

I am a living testimony of the inspired Word of God. From a chronic Muslim background to a transformed child of God who has the intimacy of God, filled with power and might, and living by the power of the Holy Ghost with the unshakable assurance of eternal life through the Word of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Please, I Need Muslims To Answer These 4 Questions by FxMasterz: 9:15am On Apr 12, 2024

AbuTwins:
Song of songs is for what you say? Must your God inspire breast all the time?

1. The Prayer
Proverbs 5:18-19
18 May your fountain be blessed,
and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth.
19 A loving doe, a graceful deer—
may her breast satisfy you always,
may you ever be intoxicated with her love.

(Say Amen)

2. My Beloved
Song of Songs 1:13-14
13 My beloved is to me a sachet of myrrh
resting between my breast.
14 My beloved is to me a cluster of henna blossoms
from the vineyards of En Gedi.

3. Your Breast
Song of Songs 4:5-6
5 Your breast are like two fawns,
like twin fawns of a gazelle
that browse among the lilies.
6 Until the day breaks
and the shadows flee,
I will go to the mountain of myrrh
and to the hill of incense.

4. More description
Song of Songs 7:7-8
7 Your stature is like that of the palm,
and your breast like clusters of fruit.
8 I said, “I will climb the palm tree;
I will take hold of its fruit.”
May your breast be like clusters of grapes on the vine,
the fragrance of your breath like apples,

5. Kiss of life
Song of Songs 8:1
8 If only you were to me like a brother,
who was nursed at my mother’s breast!
Then, if I found you outside,
I would kiss you,
and no one would despise me.

6. Little sister with no Breast
Song of Songs 8:8-10
8 We have a little sister,
and her breast are not yet grown.
What shall we do for our sister
on the day she is spoken for?
9 If she is a wall,
we will build towers of silver on her.
If she is a door,
we will enclose her with panels of cedar.

7. Breast like towers
Song of Songs 8:10
10 I am a wall and my breast are like towers.
Thus I have become in his eyes
like one bringing contentment.

It seems what you suggest is false. Check Number 6 above titled Little sister with no breast! Is this from a husband to a wife? And is this from God?

Ken4Christ
FxMasterz

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. 2Timothy 3:16-17

Na Scriptures be this oooo!

This is a diversion at best.

Are you saying we have not read those scriptures before and therefore you have to show them to us?

The carnal man can't understand spiritual things. The scriptures you're trying to disparage have been used mightily of God to bless and transform lives for several millennials before the lies of the Quran came into existence.

These scriptures are still blessing and transforming lives today. A carnal man blinded by his carnality cannot make anything of any part of the Word of God. That's why, once you become born again, the first thing God does for you is to give you His Holy Spirit so that through His Spirit, your understanding can be opened to partake of the spiritual meal which is the Word of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Please, I Need Muslims To Answer These 4 Questions by FxMasterz: 8:57am On Apr 12, 2024

AbuTwins:
But Jesus was sent to die for your sins in new testament, which human died for sins in the old testament? Is human sacrifice not a new thing? is Trinity not a new thing or did Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Solomon worshipped three in one Gods like you? We can agree your new testament contradicted the old testament too. We believe in Progressive revelation...

You used the word "Majority" so show us how majority of the Qur'an is from Gospel of Saint Barnabas.

Discuss the historicity of the said Gospel vis a vis that of the Qu'ran.
Did the Gospel of barnabas copied the Qur'an or the Qur'an was copied from it?
What language was the Gospel of Barnabas written in and how did it reach Arabia?
Who translated it to Arabic?
Do we have the Arabic manuscript of the Gospel of Barnabas?
When was this translated to be copied to the Qur'an?

He doesn't need to render account. This is why there are scribes. Don't be dogmatic on ignorance. Illiterates employ literates from time immemorial. So if you say he's not unlettered then you should show us authentic reports that he was not just this flimsy deductions.

When it is said that he wrote something it means that it was written on his behalf and he appends it.

Ibn ‘Abbaas (one of the eminent companions of the Prophet even the son of the Prophet's uncle), may Allah be pleased with him, said: ‘Your Prophet was unlettered, unable to read or write or calculate.’ Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Neither did you (O Muhammad) read any book before it (this Qur’an), nor did you write any book (whatsoever) with your right hand . . .’
[Al-‘Ankaboot 29:48]."

It will be lies to you who already have a bias. Keep looking for ways to fault the Qur'an, Islam and Muhammad.

No Muslim will ever say Jesus was illiterate not to have written even a word from the Bible throughout his 33 years on earth!

The Trinity, the death and resurrection of Jesus were not new things. They were prophesied in the Old testament and fulfilled in the New. The new testament itself was a fulfillment of prophecy.

Read the book of Barnabas before arguing please. The Quran was copied from many sources, including the Bible. Please do your own research, I don't need to lecture you on this. I've done well to point you in the right direction.

Of course Jesus too didn't go to school but no Christian would ever say Jesus was illiterate. The disciples of Jesus too were uneducated, but no Christian would ever use that as a premise to argue the inspiration of the Bible.

If you say Scribes wrote business accounts for Mohammed, what stops them from writing a book for him? Besides, Mohammed himself was said to have written a marriage contract without any help. Mohammed was not unlettered.

Christianity Etc › Re: Please, I Need Muslims To Answer These 4 Questions by FxMasterz: 7:42am On Apr 12, 2024

AbuTwins:
Yes an unlettered person can be the manager of a business 1400 years ago!

There are many especially without education become millionaires here in Nigeria with successful businesses and even controlling graduates!

So it is not impossible that he keeps valuables for people and he returns it to them intact as he was given! And a business manager can even have scribes to document data for the business.

Secondly, you said majority of what "Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam wrote in the Qur'an" is from the gospel of Barnabas.

This is a false premise from Satan the devil. The Qur'an was revealed by Allah through Angel Gabriel.

And even you using the word "majority " shows you are a blatant liar!

Even historical and scholarly evidence shows you lied!

That Jubril was an imposter. A demon at best disguising itself as angel Gabriel. There's no new revelation from God that can contradict previous revelations. That's one of the ways to know if someone is of God. All revelations from Genesis to Revelation are rhymed. They're all contradicted by Mohammed alone, yet claiming prophethood from the God of Abraham.

And yes, Mohammed copied from the book of Barnabas especially the aspects regarding the story of Jesus. Read the book and confirm for yourself.

Yes, uneducated people can own businesses but they won't deliver their businesses to be managed by an unlettered man. If Mohammed was unlettered, no one would give him a business to manage. An unlettered man cannot render accounts, which is the major responsibility of a business manager. And Mohammed was said to be the manager of a large business enterprise for that matter. He was not unlettered.

Another proof that he was not unlettered is that it is written in your habits that Mohammed himself wrote the marriage contract between himself and Aisha. I may not be correct about who Mohammed wrote marriage contract for but I'm absolutely correct that he wrote a marriage contract. An unlettered person cannot write a marriage contract.

All the noise that Mohammed was unlettered were all lies. The Quran was actually copied from many books, not the book of Barnabas alone. Many of those books are still in existence today.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Exploring The Possibility Of God Physically Drinking Tea With Man by FxMasterz: 8:27pm On Apr 11, 2024

Kobojunkie:
I see his gullible sheeple are already working hard to rewrite the tale as told by their GO Daddy. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😁😁😁

If that's what he said, then it means that's what he thought as I have already explained.

Have you gone for deliverance? You really need Jesus in your life.

Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 7:13pm On Apr 11, 2024

Lukuluku69:
Bring Scriptures.

And not Concoctions.

Show me where it is stated that the world was not ready for Grace.

Simple.

Of cause I never said the scriptures says 'The world was not ready for grace." You should ask for scriptures if I had said that.

You'll need to study the Bible and have God's plan of salvation revealed to you from Genesis to Revelation to understand that.

Grace needed many factors to go worldwide out which I will give you 2:

1. An example of man's failure at self righteousness (Demonstrated through Israel and the law)

2. A language and means for the message to spread across the world (The Greek language and the spread of the Roman empire provided this platform). If Grace was introduced for example at the time of Moses, the Israelites would have personalized it the same way they did the law. The language barrier would also add to the factors that'll support the personalization. But God introduced grace at a time when almost everybody was speaking Greek and therefore people of different nations could understand one another using one language - Greek.

God wants to reveal Himself to the whole world, not just Israel. So, the world had to be ready.

Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 7:04pm On Apr 11, 2024

Lukuluku69:
My earlier post holds on this.

There's virtually no incident in scripture that you'll quote that I'm unaware of. I'll explain the incidents to you including the background of such incidents.

Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 6:22pm On Apr 11, 2024

Lukuluku69:
Your Definition of Grace is nothing but a Comedy. So, stop it with me.

If we ask you to bring Scriptures where it is said that the World was not ready for Grace, you can't but would rather take us on another merry go round thing with empty and meaningless drivel.

Read my previous post, I told your Grace thing was Paul's idea and unwittingly you agreed by quoting one of many Paul Concotions that you regard as Scripture.

Lol

Do I need to bring scriptures to tell you that the world was not ready for grace? Even you, are you ready for grace?

If God had not first introduced law with Israel to make the world see how useless their self righteousness is before bringing in Grace, would anyone accept grace?

You're yet to see how useless your self righteousness is, that's why you're mocking the grace concept. Look at Israel, and you'll understand.

God gave Israel the opportunity to use their self righteousness to the fullest measure , yet they failed. If man has not failed in his self righteousness bid, and knows how deep a pollutant sin is to his soul, and also understand that the Almighty God has zero tolerance for iniquity, he won't see any need for grace. That's the current state you are as a person. But that's why God first introduced Israel and the law so that we may appreciate Grace when it is revealed.

You are counting on your self righteousness as well as the possibility of God overlooking your misdeeds in mercy to make heaven. You're deceiving yourself my friend.

God has to clothe you with His own righteousness after washing you with the Hyssop which Christ has presented, and empower you through His Spirit to overcome the sin nature and its desires before you can see God. Don't be deceived.

The more you mock the Grace concept, the more you confirm why God had to first demonstrate to man that he needs Grace before giving man that very Grace. The demonstration was accomplished through the law and Israel.

Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 6:11pm On Apr 11, 2024

Lukuluku69:
If I show you where the Disciples didn't understand Jesus and had to rebuke them outside of the incidents you referenced, would you agree that you are Ignorant of your Bible?

List the scriptures, I'll explain the incidents for you. There's no incident you want to list in the Bible that I do not already know about.

Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 5:17pm On Apr 11, 2024

Lukuluku69:
I know you won't fail with the Comedy.

The World is not ready for Grace you say? Can you show me where that is written in the Bible? I know you can't, that's the Brainwashing exercise we talk about. Every one of you just go on the bend and say things.

So, what happened to those who lived before your Grace? What about other Nations of the world outside of Israel? How are they going to obtain Salvation?

The idea that God had to kill himself to appease himself in order to forgive the work of his hand is revolting, embarrassing and senseless in it entirety.

So, safe it for Sunday School. That Teaching/Doctrine is not for Right thinking humans. It is against the Bible. It is against Justice and Fairness.

Whatever You sow is what you reap.

Salvation is obtainable for Humans once you followed God Command. This was what Jesus himself taught when that questioner came to him and ask "Good Master what can I do to see External Life (Salvation).

Jesus did not tell him wait I will soon die for your sins rather he told him to go keep the Commandments.

That's Salvation and not what Paul say it is.

The World WAS not ready. God is a dispensational God. He does things according to His established order.

Since you don't understand what Grace is, you may see it as a comedy. Anyone who understands the concept of Grace would understand.

Before grace came God used law to guide people. After law has done its work, Grace came through Jesus Christ.

It's Muslims who are brainwashed. Nothing of what you've been saying for example has any reference in your quran.

Now, let me show you from scriptures:
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Galatians 3:23-26
"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."

The law was a Schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ. When Christ came, He brought grace with Him.

In the days of the law, God was not dealing with the world but only with Israel. When Christ came, He brought Grace both for the world and for Israel.

What is Grace? Grace is unmerited favour which brings justification through faith and not through works.

Those who lived before grace came are guided by the law of God written on their minds.

You actually don't know what salvation is. And you don't understand what sin is either. So, you still don't even know why you need Jesus.

Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 5:05pm On Apr 11, 2024

Lukuluku69:
What if I referenced other incidents outside what you enumerated above, would you agree that you are ignorant of the contents of the Bible?

There are no incidents whatsoever. Even the incidents I mentioned above do not confirm your position. I just mentioned them to know if those were the incidences that probably confused you to think His disciples didn't understand Him.

If His disciples didn't understand Him, is it you who now understand Him? What do you take the disciples of Jesus for? They were men filled with the Holy Ghost who shook the then Roman world for Jesus.

Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 3:22pm On Apr 11, 2024

Lukuluku69:
God delayed Grace?

Comedy Central.

Please keep at it.

Humour me please. So, why did Jehovah delayed Grace?

If you ask the right questions, you'll get the right answers.

Grace was delayed because the world was not yet ready for it. Even you have rejected the grace of God.

In the Old Testament, God was dealing with only Israel in a theocratic form of government. Even when they switched to Monarchy, God was still very much involved.

The Old Testament served its purpose. The law was for Israel. Grace is for the whole world.

If there's any comedy here, the comedy is that Grace has come, and you Lukuluku69 has rejected it but have decided to serve another god instead, and a prophet who has nothing to do with God of all Grace.

Christianity Etc › Re: Please, I Need Muslims To Answer These 4 Questions by FxMasterz: 3:17pm On Apr 11, 2024

Lukuluku69:
But your Cousin TENQ posted some link from Wikipedia and you agreed with what is in it nah.

So, what changed? Selective Amnesia? Or what?

Were his links from Wikipedia? I didn't check them out anyway. I wanted TenQ to handle that since he's more knowledgeable on the topic.

Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 3:14pm On Apr 11, 2024

Lukuluku69:
His Disciples often don't understand him. I can show you dozens of references from the Bible.

That's why he sometimes use rough sarcasm on them. Sometimes even railed against them. He called them names too.

Offensive names.

Do you want references?

Please prove the bolded with references.

I'm sure you would want to talk about Jesus rebuking Peter when Peter said Jesus won't die. Or, you'll want to talk about His discourse with His disciples where they asked Him to explain some parables, or even where Jesus was telling them that anyone who has seen Him has seen Father - when the disciples asked Him to show them the father.

All other rebukes, misunderstanding and name callings were directed at the Pharisees and the non disciples who never understood Jesus.

Do you know that Jesus continued guiding the disciples and kept instructing them even after His resurrection?

I can't see any possibility of authentic proof from any reference you may want to bring.

Please bring references for the bolded.

Christianity Etc › Re: Confession!!! We Atheits Work For Satan by FxMasterz: 11:31am On Apr 11, 2024

HardMirror:
Yes!
I am an atheits. Don't get deceived. We know what we are doing.
We are just trying to mislead people.
Many of us are possessed by the spirit of rebellion from our master lucifer.

Christains that are steadfast and have the Holy Spirit can see into our lies and see satan using us.

Be warned.

#thewaychristainspercieveatheists

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!

Christianity Etc › Re: Please, I Need Muslims To Answer These 4 Questions by FxMasterz: 11:22am On Apr 11, 2024

Lukuluku69:
Go on Wikipedia and do a Research on Islam in Europe, America and Latin America. Edify yourself.

Whatever is written on Wikipedia is written by fellow Muslims as yourself. The real gists of what is happening in the world are in the news.

Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 11:21am On Apr 11, 2024

Lukuluku69:
Lol

The same old story.

Keep the Faith though.

So, Jehovah delayed Grace till Jesus came? Lol

But made people lived thru his Laws pre Jesus time?

The Risibility of this Teaching alone.

Lol

If you'll like to know why He delayed grace please ask questions.

Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 11:19am On Apr 11, 2024

Lukuluku69:
Simply, tell me how in your New Covenant how you handle

1. Adultery
2.Theft
3. Lying
4. Blasphemy

Sir, you have very little understanding of the Bible. Very little.

You see that woman was brought to Jesus to Test his adherence to God's Law and its applications.

Any True Prophet of God will apply the Law because any deviation attracts a Curse as stated in the Bible.

Asking Jesus if they should pay Tax is another Test from the Jews to him but your knowledge and understanding of the Bible and events are below par you won't understand any explanation on it.

Please are you telling me that the disciples of Jesus had little understanding of Jesus and that you know better than them?

Christianity Etc › Re: Please, I Need Muslims To Answer These 4 Questions by FxMasterz: 9:13am On Apr 11, 2024

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It is an open secret that a thorough brainwashing exercise are usually embarked upon your young ones right from an early age.

Sunday School.

No, it's an open secret that a lot of brainwashing goes on in Islam. Right from very tender ages, they're exposed to mindless recitations with indoctrination by an Alfa holding canes to lash out severe punishments.

The Sunday school usually lasts about 30 to 45 minutes only on Sundays. Both young and old ask questions at the end of the class. Deliberations are made. Everyone gives his own opinion according to his understanding. Clarifications are done by more knowledgeable members. Answers are verified and logically reasoned out before generally acceptable notions are established. Does that look like brainwashing to you? In Sunday school, we are allowed to challenge globally acceptable doctrines.

Everyone knows that brainwashing takes place in Islam. That's the only reason people would take someone like Mohammed for a prophet, since they can't even ask questions. The only reason why people would go out and kill other people thinking they're working for God. Only brainwashed people behave like that.

Cramming the Whole Quran is called Learning and not Brainwashing.

Cramming is not learning because it doesn't impart actionable knowledge. That's how brainwashing is done. You cram, get indoctrinated and get controlled through fear.

Jesus said Hear O Israel the Lord your God is One but what do you tell your young ones from early age? Lol

The Lord our God is one. If you don't understand that, ask questions my friend. We serve only one God.

If you want to know the words you used on that Thread, feel free to revisit the Thread.

I didn't say that I used any word. You were the one who said I did. So, the onus lies on you to prove it.

As for Europe and Islam believe what you want to, it doesn't change the Reality on ground that Europeans and Americans are coming to Islam in droves. Even Latin America

You couldn't even quote a single evidence my brother. I have cited the France and Russia episodes. You shouldn't believe lies that are told to you especially if they didn't provide any evidence to back up the claims.

Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 8:57am On Apr 11, 2024

Lukuluku69:
Can you see the twisted logic already?

Jehovah says STONE ADULTERERS.

Jehovah also STATES that His Laws are ETERNAL/FOREVER.

Yet you blame and vilify the one that Carries out Jehovah Instructions and call him names and says he is from Satan yet you clap for the one who didn't carry out Jehovah Instructions.

Can you see you Christians twisted thinking and logic?

Mohammed was not a worshipper of Jehovah, was he? Jehovah has a son. Allah has none. There's clear difference between the two.

Jehovah established a new covenant through Jesus. Mohammed rejected it, took parts of the laws of Moses, and then added his own to form a new religion.

The commandments of Jehovah are everlasting commandments. But the mode of administering justice has changed.

The law was broght by Moses, but Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ.

Do.you mean to tell us that Mohammed understood Jesus more than the disciples of Jesus who were His direct proteges?

Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 8:44am On Apr 11, 2024*

Lukuluku69:
Jesus did not condemned that women simply because his Mission was to herald the coming of God's Kingdom on earth.

He also told you that he did not come to change Moses Laws but rather fulfill it.

And if that were true, why then did he let the woman go?

Prophet Muhammad also obeyed that instruction by having that Adulterer stoned.

Do you know why?

He RULES A STATE by Divine Command whereas Jesus was under the Rulership of another. Had he command that woman stoned, the Romans would have arrested him!

Which was exactly what those Jewish Reprobates wanted!

You didn't get the passage at all.

The law is an everlasting law but the mode of its administration and its justice system is not everlasting. Thous shalt not commit adultery is still a law today. But how the the justice is administered has changed.

Jesus demonstrated it that sinful men cannot continue administering justice to fellow sinners. 'He who has no sin among you should cast the first stone."

Even Mohammed was a sinner. A sinner killing another sinner for the sins another sinner committed.

Jesus brought a new Covenant of grace. God gives rooms for repentance until a sinner's time is up on earth. Mohammed came and reverted to the laws of Moses without doing the deeds of Moses. He even fought against and massacred Moses' brethren.

Jesus didn't change the laws of Moses but fulfilled it by giving us the ability to the Holy Spirit to do the law without struggling.

See, the Jews didn't bring the woman to Jesus to put Him in problem with the Roman authority. Jesus was not the judge of the land, He was not the one who was supposed to order the woman to be stoned. It's the High priest. All Jesus had to do was to tell them to take her to the High Priest. The Jews didn't bring the woman to Jesus to bring Him against the Roman government but rather, she was brought to Jesus to so that He can come into conflict against the Jews. The Jews would be the first to stone Him if He had said nobody should touch the woman. The Pharisees knew that Jesus won't order the woman to be stoned. So, they wanted to bring Him in conflict with the Jewish population. Thank God for divine Wisdom which Jesus possessed immeasurably.

If you want to learn the Bible, turn to us as your Quran has instructed you. Except you know for sure that your Allah's instructions is not worth adhering to.

Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 8:32am On Apr 11, 2024

Lukuluku69:
The "Mass" murder of Jews was the Kyber incident.

Research it on Wiki.

700 Fighting Men were executed and their Properties shared alongside women.

Research the incident.

Then come back and we talk about it.

TenQ has provided references for which I called your attention. Honestly, even with the above defence you made, the prophethood of Mohammed is even more questionable.

According to TenQ, there are Clear References to mohammed's killings of Jews with proofs:
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Massacre_of_the_Banu_Qurayzah

From secular source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

Christianity Etc › Re: Russia Now Worships The Real Black Jesus. Nigerians, How Far? by FxMasterz: 8:23am On Apr 11, 2024

Tellmeastory:
SHUT UP THERE.

WHAT WAS FABRICATED?

BECAUSE IT IS BLACK PEOPLE, IT MUST BE FABRICATED, ABI?

IF IT WAS WHITES, IT WOULD BE REAL IN YOUR COLONISED HEAD, ABI?

YOU SLAVE.

EVEN THE BIBLE DESCRIBES THE HEBREWS AS BLACKS IN MANY VERSES.

BUT NO. MR BRITISH BRAINWASHED SLAVE WILL SAY THE BIBLE IS LYING.

There are no pictures of Jesus anywhere. All pictures of Jesus are fake

Open your eyes. Look at those things Putin displayed, do they look like ancient materials to you?

Ignorant people everywhere.

We don't worship Jesus by His colour okay. That's idolatry. We worship Jesus in Spirit. It doesn't matter what color He possesses because a spirit has no colour. If you're an idolater, you can keep worshipping any Jesus of any colour you choose.

May God help you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 8:18am On Apr 11, 2024

TenQ:
Mohammed slaughtered 700 men and boys (with the tiniest pubic hair) because the Qurayza were rich and prosperous. They helped him dig the trenches for the battle of the trench which mohammed fought and won. They accused the Qurayza of Treachery which has not a single evidence as proof.

Clear References with proofs:
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Massacre_of_the_Banu_Qurayzah

From secular source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

Lukuluku69, please read and react.

Thank you TenQ for this input.

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Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 10:52pm On Apr 10, 2024

Lukuluku69:
Sir, think.

Jews were in their hundreds in Yathrib, why only one was singled out for Death for her unbelief in Prophet Muhammad but others roam free?

It was a Fabrication.

Jehovah told Moses to have the Sabbath breaker stoned.

The Prophet had a self confessed Adulterer stoned.

Christian logic. The First Scenario is good because Jehovah ordered it.

The second scenario is wrong because Prophet Muhammad was involved yet Jehovah's Law says Stone the Adulterers.

Can you see how twisted your Judgment is?

Is Mohammed Allah? If Moses had ordered it, we would have condemned Moses. But Moses didn't, it was God who gave the order! Is Mohammed God that you're comparing Mohammed with Jehovah?

There was a mass murder of Jews by Mohammed. TenQ and Advocatejare should please help with the references. Mohammed sacked a whole Jewish town.

Look, Jehovah had physical punishment for people in the old testament when there was no promises of hell for evil doers.

After the Lord Jesus came, there is now Heaven and Hell. God no longer does physical punishment. That's one of the reasons why Jesus didn't apply the law of Moses for the woman caught in adultery. If Mohammed was indeed a continuation of the biblical prophetic order, he'll continue from where Jesus stopped. Not going back to Moses days when God has already earmarked Heaven and hell as places of rewards and condemnations respectively.

Christianity Etc › Re: Please, I Need Muslims To Answer These 4 Questions by FxMasterz: 10:45pm On Apr 10, 2024

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In Christianity, I am afraid you are all brainwashed.

I didn't say Muslims are brainwashed even though everyone knows they are. I avoided saying that because I didn't want to insult you.

Well, there's no evidence of brainwashing in Christiendom. We don't recite incorrect words severally to cram into our heads. It's Islam that does that, even with canes in hand. Have you been to a Christian gathering before, especially Bible study times. They're often full of debates. Everyone sharing his views about particular verses of scripture before a more knowledge person makes good clarifications that sits well with everyone. Brainwashed people don't behave like that. In Islam, the reverse is the case. You must cram and also recite what you don't understand. You must accept whatever your Alfa says without questioning. That's brainwashing. Infact, extreme brainwashing.

Yes we have had discussion in the past and I can confidently say all your exegesis were from position of ignorance and misinterpretation of sacred Text.

I've been reading my Bible for more than 40yrs. I have a personal relationship with Christ with overwhelming evidence of supernatural manifestations. You don't know what you're talking about.

The accounts of Mohammed alone and the way he got his revelations are enough proof that the spirit that spoke with him is not of God. Have you been to cherubim and seraphim churches before? They have similar experiences like that of Mohammed. They too think they're inspired like you think of Mohammed. If you don't know how the spirit of God operates, you can't easily mistake a demon or a fallen angel for a messenger of God.

Well I remember I used the word Wereydinho but for completeness why not include the words you used too?

Would you remind me of the word I used for you as I did remind you of yours?

Muslims are invading Europe? Really? Well, you are free to believe what you choose to believe. You have every right to that but it is simply laughable to think and believe that the Almighty Europe and America are allowing Muslims to invade them.

Simply laughable.

The nations are liberal and accommodating, and so Muslims take advantage of that. France was severely terrorized. Russia too of recent. Europe is now defending its borders against dangerous immigrants.

Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Lied When He Said About 50% Americans Are Jews. by FxMasterz: 10:21pm On Apr 10, 2024

Lukuluku69:
They are fabrication.

When I alluded to killings, I was referring to the incident where it is said that The Prophet ordered the killing of a self confessed Adulterer.

Moses also had a man stoned to death on the order of Jehovah for breaking the Sabbath.

Moses went to War, Solomon did, David also warred. People were killed.

You guys would justify those killings because it was ordered by Jehovah but would shout blue murder when it was the Muslim and the Prophet seemingly doing the same thing.

If anyone were to be killed for not believing in Prophet Muhammad, it won't be just one woman for there were thousands of Jews in Medina who though waiting for the coming of a Prophet amongst the Flocks of Kedar in Tema (Medina) but never believed in Prophet Muhammad. Hundreds would have been killed if that was the case.

My friend. Moses first listened to God. God gave the judgment. Not Moses. This is different from the judgement Mohammed gave for a woman (not in adultery as in Moses' case) who rejected Mohammed's prophethood. There were many who rejected the prophethood of Moses in his days, Moses didn't order anyone to be killed.

Regarding the adulterers who were ordered by God to be stoned to death. There was first a law, then a warning of the consequences. The law was a constitution for the nation of Israel. Moses didn't bring religion like Mohammed did. Israel was a theocratic state. The laws were just the constitution of the land which helped in governing the land along the lines of God's rules in theocratic settings. It was not a religious setting per say.

I'm particularly about the woman Mohammed ordered to be killed. I'm not even talking about the other killings and the other bloods he shed.

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