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Ken4Christ:
Where did the idea that a Christian should marry only one wife come from? The God we serve today is still the same God of Israel, his chosen people. And the nation of Israel was founded on polygamy. Is God not aware of it. The children that makes up the nation of Israel were born by four women, one man.

Please, let's renew our minds.

Paul only insisted that Bishops should limit themselves to only one wife. And Paul never said that it was the commandment from the Lord.

Besides, he only gave this instructions to Timothy and Titus. He never mentioned it in his letter to churches.

It's even far better for a Bishop to marry more than one wife than to marry one and be cheating with little girls in church. And this is what the command of one wife has done. A good number of Bishop cheats. I personally will not even condemn any Bishop who has more than one wife. We don't all the same sexual urge. If Paul wanted this instruction to be a doctrine that must be strictly adhered to, he would have included it in all the letters he wrote to all the churches. This is because, not all the churches know Timothy and Titus. And both of them didn't know all the churches.

I have made my point. You are free to throw stones. But don't forget that the stones you throw is also attempting to tell God that he did not do well by permitting his own people to form a nation out of Polygamy.

This issue you raised about Christian marriages is true. But I think Paul wrote to Timothy and Titus to tell everyone of us that one wife is the best for a man who'll go into Christian leadership.

I don't see how a polygamous man would be able to manage such a complex family affair and combine it with the extreme complexity of church management.

It all boils down to leadership focus and efficiency. A man with no wife would be a better focused and efficient leader. He'll be able to dedicate himself to service much better than a man with one wife. In the same vein, a man with one wife is much better than the one with two. The one with two is also a better leader than the one with 3, and so on and so forth. The more wives a man has, the less dedication and time he'll be able to commit to kingdom service. One wife is good for Christian leadership but no wife is better. This is also Paul's position but mainstream Christianity has made polygamy a sin which it is not.

]Please who I'll tell us where the doctrines of closing one's eyes while praying comes from? This doctrine is not anywhere in the Bible.

OLAADEGBU:
If you cannot name the bible doctrines Kumuyi promised to overhaul before he passes then you should know that you were never a spiritual son of his.



You are only proving to be an impostor and a liar, a son of your father the devil. Kumuyi was never your spiritual father if you are to lie that he promised to change bible doctrines he had once preached.



The fact that you could not mention your so called spiritual fathers shows that you are covering up names of some shady characters. If you are covering up workers of darkness in the pretence that they are making mistakes then we cannot be birds of a feather. If you cannot expose workers of iniquity posing of ministers of light then you have just shown yourself to be equally guilty by association.



If you could not name them then you have something to hide. What are you worried about if they are not people of shady characters?



The characters I've been exposing on this section have been rapist, cultists, murderers, swindlers, liars, paedophiles and adulterers. You say these are only making mistakes? That shows how ignorant you can be when it comes to the word of God. Paul named and shamed workers of iniquity in the church.



What is your history on this forum? What thread of yours can you point to on this forum that proves that you are gathering with Christ? My record on this forum speaks for itself.

OLAADEGBU:
If you cannot name the bible doctrines Kumuyi promised to overhaul before he passes then you should know that you were never a spiritual son of his.



You are only proving to be an impostor and a liar, a son of your father the devil. Kumuyi was never your spiritual father if you are to lie that he promised to change bible doctrines he had once preached.



The fact that you could not mention your so called spiritual fathers shows that you are covering up names of some shady characters. If you are covering up workers of darkness in the pretence that they are making mistakes then we cannot be birds of a feather. If you cannot expose workers of iniquity posing of ministers of light then you have just shown yourself to be equally guilty by association.



If you could not name them then you have something to hide. What are you worried about if they are not people of shady characters?



The characters I've been exposing on this section have been rapist, cultists, murderers, swindlers, liars, paedophiles and adulterers. You say these are only making mistakes? That shows how ignorant you can be when it comes to the word of God. Paul named and shamed workers of iniquity in the church.



What is your history on this forum? What thread of yours can you point to on this forum that proves that you are gathering with Christ? My record on this forum speaks for itself.

Man, you're really satanic. A liar and an agent of hell. You even have the audacity to challenge me brazenly without shame, knowing fully well that what I said about Kumuyi was true.

You need to be born again and give your life to Christ. You need to be saved. There's no single truth in you.


Now, prove that these people like Olukoya and Funke Adejumo are murderers, rapists and the names you call them! May the Almighty God judge you for bringing the names of these monsters into the mud as you're doing.

The same Olukoya who was known to be so upright to the extent that he used to reject gifts from people whose sources of wealth are unknown, especially politicians. Even in the days when Olukoya was still poor. He rejected unclean monies that could have made him rich. God has blessed his ministry. He has had no single scandal for these many years of his ministry. A very renown upright man of God who is now being attacked by a woman who is a known liar and fabricator of fact. You join hands with her to paint this servant of Christ in bad lights. God will judge you Olaadegbu. What evil has Funke Adejumo done that you have dragged her name into a matter that doesn't concern her? God will judge you. You won't escape the wrath of God when God begins with you!

I have already exposed you as a liar and an hypocrite. A servant of the devil. God shall judge you unless you repent and give your life to Christ!

I have even named EA Adeboye as one of my mentors, you're still telling me that I couldn't name my mentors. You're such a devilish fellow!

https://www.nairaland.com/4366613/pastor-kumuyi-remove-some-doctrines#65344349

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.facebook.com/youneedtoknow.ng/videos/before-i-die-i-will-destroy-certain-deeper-life-doctrines-i-set-up-i-created-the/770621516394991/&ved=2ahUKEwjXoNjo2PmEAxWwW0EAHdNxCScQtwJ6BAgfEAE&usg=AOvVaw19eJ4BHHjWEt9m5CgWIO5m

Did Nairaland hide my history on this forum? My threads and posts are all test testaments to the fact that I believe in the unity of the body of Christ.

This Olaadegbu of a fellow is very devilish.

OLAADEGBU:
What is stopping you from naming those spiritual fathers, what are you afraid of?



What flaws and who is speaking about flaws? What doctrine did he restructure? If you believe Kumuyi restructured the doctrines he once preached you need to give me concrete evidence.



I am not gathering wolves but sheep.

Olaadegbu, I wouldn't name the human and umbilical doctrines that Kumuyi himself has prominently promised to overhaul before he passes on to glory. If you deny this, then you're an hypocrite.

I have told you Kumuyi is my spiritual father so you can know the calibre of spiritual fathers and mentors I have. If you categorize Kumuyi as lacking in integrity, then all my spiritual fathers would be in the same category. Whatever you categorize Kumuyi to be, that's the calibre of mentors I have. They're many. Both here and overseas. EA Adeboye is one of them.

You lack spiritual wisdom my friend. We're all working together to move the kingdom of God forward. Not to expose one another's weaknesses to the world. That's a foolish move unbefitting of a kingdom soldier.

Men who are known to have genuinely given their lives to Christ, been mentored by reputable ministers, preached the true Word of God, taken the salvation of souls as top priority, and have been partakers of the heavenly gift with long standing testimonies of integrity cannot be tagged as workers of darkness because of some single errors they committed.

They can be chastised, admonished and called to order within the body of Christ. Exposing them to the world as agents of darkness is foolishness. Paul confronted Peter among brethren. He didn't expose him to the world.

Are you gathering with Him or scattering? Whatever wound you do the body of Christ, you shall suffer the consequences at the judgement seat of Christ on that day. And if you do well, you shall equally be rewarded.

OLAADEGBU:
If those other spiritual fathers you refuse to mention have any integrity you will not hesitate to name them and that's why the Lord is exposing them either you mention them or not.

If those spiritual fathers don't have integrity, they'll not be my spiritual fathers, okay? Then, I would have rejected Kumuyi himself if I love spiritual fathers with no integrity.

There's no perfect church. There's no perfect minister of the gospel. Kumuyi has his many flaws. No one calls him a worker of darkness because of that! No one thinks he doesn't have integrity just because of that. He is trying to restructure many of his previous doctrines today.

Are you gathering or scattering? Answer my questions.

OLAADEGBU:
Name the remaining spiritual fathers since you left and what Christian ministries did you join? Who else are your mentors?

I have many spiritual fathers. Kumuyi is still my spiritual father till date. My other spiritual fathers are not supposed to be your concern.

Answer my questions.

OLAADEGBU:
When did you become a Christian and under whose ministry? Who is your mentor or spiritual father if any?

I became a Christian in Christian Life fellowship. I attended Deeper life Christian ministry for many years afterwards before leaving Deeper life in the early '90s. W F. Kumuyi is one of my spiritual fathers and mentors.

Now, answer my questions.

OLAADEGBU:
I'll answer you on the condition that you name your own G.O./ministry.

I'm a Christian. A member of the body of Christ. I do not have allegiance to any ministry or G.O. All my allegiance goes to Jesus. My ministry is to defend the gospel.

OLAADEGBU:
Who is stopping you from posting scandals you find in DL? You are also free to cover up the works of darkness as you deem it fit.

Are you answering my question with a question? Are you telling me that Kumuyi has never been called out for anything in the past? Did anybody tag Kumuyi as being of the Kingdom of darkness because of that? Are you not being an hypocrite?

I asked you whether you're gathering or scattering. Can you answer that question without hypocrisy?

Why is it that every controversial topic relating to other churches other than Deeper Life always come from you, Olaadegbu? Are you gathering with Him or scattering?

PoliteActivist:
Oh there are atheist churches. Quite a few. Just google

Wow!

Just hearing about that for the first time. They've even gone really far in their religious organization.

jesusjnr2020:
Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit?

2 Timothy 4:14-15 (KJV)

Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.

Was the bolded prayer of apostle Paul inspired of the same Spirit that was in Jesus, who taught us to forgive those who trespass against us so God would forgive us ours, pray for our enemies, bless those who curse us, and reward their evil with good? Matthew 5:44, 6:14-15.

This is also the prayer Jesus who never sinned, prayed for His enemies who had done so much evil Him and were behind His sufferings, crucifixion and death:

"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." (Luke 23:34)

So was it the same Spirit in Jesus that also inspired that prayer of Paul for God to repay his enemy, Alexander the coppersmith, according to the evil he did to him?

Remember this was the same Paul that did much evil to the church while formerly known as Saul before his conversion.

Acts 8:3 (KJV)

As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.

Acts 9:1-2 (KJV)

And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

He was said to have consented to the death of Stephen who was stoned to death, but Stephen didn't still pray for God to repay Saul and the rest of his killers with the evil they did against him but that God forgave them according to Christ teachings.

Acts 7:58-60 (KJV)

And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

So this was same Paul who had been forgiven by God despite all his evils he did against the church, probably an answer to Stephen's Christ-like prayer, so what evil could Alexander have done to Paul that was worse that Paul couldn't forgive but asked God to reward him accordingly?

If God had done the same to Paul, and rewarded Paul with all the evil he had done to the church, would he have been able to stand?

Note: This is not to judge or condemn Paul but just to prove that he was also human and not inerrant even in his teachings, because this prayer clearly wasn't inspired by the Spirit of God but of the apostle's flesh.

Therefore if anyone followed his example in this prayer, the person would also be walking in gross error despite it being in the Bible and coming from a true apostle of Christ.

That's why we keep urging people to take priority of the teachings of Jesus over those of anyone else, including the apostles, because Jesus was inerrant but they were not.

God bless.

The hurt Alexandra the Coppersmith did Paul was not a personal hurt as you can see in his instructions to Timothy. He was obstructing and opposing the work of the Kingdom, thereby preventing others from entering in. Paul was pained because of that. He asked Timothy to be wary of him.

The prayer Paul prayed is in line with scriptures. "As long as the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest...shall not cease." Genesis 8:22. The prayers align with the law of sowing and reaping.

The Lord Jesus came harder than Paul on those people who did exactly the same things Alexandra the Coppersmith was doing in Christ's day:

Mathew 23:13
"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."

Paul was mild. He only prayed for him to reap what he sowed. That's the law of the spirit. It is dangerous for anyone to stand against the kingdom of God.

My friend, you don't know God.

jesusjnr2020:
James Rebuttal Of Paul's Erroneous Teaching On Salvation By Grace/Faith Not Works

This is apostle James, the half brother of Jesus, who succeeded Simon Peter as leader of the church in Jerusalem. He should know a thing or two about Jesus and His teachings. Although he didn't specifically mention whose false teaching he was referring to on this occasion, it's that glaring everyone true Christian knows it was Paul's.

Here's the teaching of Paul he was referring to:

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

This is his impeccable rebuttal:

James 2:14-26 (KJV)

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

You can clearly see that not every apostle agreed that every teaching of Paul was inerrant and inspired of God as many Paulians erroneously think.

God bless.

I am glad that my beloved brother in the Lord, Steep, has given you an uppercut using the scriptures.

I have told you that if there's anything you don't understand, come and ask us for clarification, and we, by the help of the Holy Ghost would explain it to you.

All your satanic attempt to subvert the faith of young believers on this forum would be met with spirit-force. No soul would be swept under his feet by your demonic winds of doctrine.

Paul's emphasis in that verse was even on grace. He never said faith alone saves because faith has work. And the work of faith is love: Paul said "Faith which worketh by love.”— Galatians 5:6, This same love is the fulfillment of all commandments.

We are saved by Grace through faith...which worketh by love...which is the fulfillment of all commandments. Paul had treated this topic in detail with the church at Corinth in one of his epistles:

1 Corinthians 13 1
"If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing."

Notice how Paul emphasized that faith is zero without Love?

Both Paul and James are in unity with John who wrote in the gospels:

"For the law was given through Moses; but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." John 1:17

PoliteActivist:
Oh, of course, Atheism and Evolutionism are outright religions and not even "of some sort".

No doubt!

But atheists would deny this claim outright.

They're even now yearning for brotherhood. They want association.

PoliteActivist:
Exactly. Religionists are same way too, by the way, sometimes to an annoying degree, only that they don't claim to base everything on logic!

You're right.

That's why as a person, I try to be as objective as possible during religious debates. I do accept my shortcomings if I find out I was in error. There are times I have debated Muslims based on wrong interpretation of some of their quaranic verses. I have often apologized whenever they provide clarity. But, just as you said earlier, they (Muslims) would never accept or apologize for errors when they're given clarifications; or when it is clearly shown to them that they've been wrong all along. I admit that some Christians are like that too. Atheists are known to behave this way too. This confirms that Atheism and Evolution are religions of some sort.

PoliteActivist:
More than that, they are movements, and you better not betray the movement by admitting the other side has a point, or that you no longer agree with some of the stuff

I see.

That's the more the reason why they MUST lie against evidences or give flimsy excuses whenever they're presented with one. They would never accept they're wrong, no matter the evidence before them.

PoliteActivist:
Meaning what? I've done everything, including posting the definition below. You keep mindlessly repeating that nature doesn't go about selecting (I'm tempted to add "like a slowpoke" ). EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!!! That is, everybody except you and budaatum. Listen, the net EFFECT is SELECTION!!! If an environment favors survival of tall people, over time tallness will be SELECTED FOR!!!

By the way, you folks,
1) If humans were NOT DESIGNED to hate whats good for their health and longevity and love what's not, where did that come from?
2) Where did things like lions liking raw meat and never eating grass, and goats liking grass, come from? It's not as if these animals evolved on different planets!
3) Can't you folks see that evolution and natural selection are perfect examples of the Texas sharpshooter fallacy? (Look it up )
4) Can't you folks see that there is so much they can't explain? Things like consciousness, abiogenesis, why lower animals generally have shorter life spans than humans, why lower animals are not capable of abstract thought, complex organs like eyes, dna, etc, etc.
5) In short, can't you folks see that evolution (much like atheism) is a religion - you just believe it or you don't!

That's the perfect truth!

bobestman:
hahaha i know everything about your false messiah. The more you talk, the more i expose him. Whatever you believe in works for you. You can use the name of father, ancestors and anything and get result. The one who protect you and do all that is your Chi/Ori/personal angel

You can't cast out demons by just believing anything okay? You can't liberate a dying woman from the claws of a river goddess by just believing anything. You can find a very recent testimony here on Nairaland, how Jesus used me to deliver a woman from the Osun river goddess that was bent on killing her because of a breach of covenant. You're too ignorant of the spirit realm to even contribute to these things. You have no experience other than conspiracy theories that are bereft of sound logic.

Give your life to Christ. I have sounded these warnings to you over and over again. I'm sure the demons deceiving you wouldn't allow you to heed the warnings and accept the sacrifice Christ made on your behalf. May God have mercy on your soul.

I've passed my message. I may not bother responding to you any more.

bobestman:
Bro jesus is meaningless name. An impostor created by Romans and credited with the acts of the true messiah. He is an oyibo, sisi with long hairs. He should go save his own ppl. Only your kind can save you. An oyibo cannot save a black man. Pastors are stealing, lying and raping ppl's mothers and children in his name. The true messiah is a black man. Jesus is an actor acting his scripts. When he is revealed you will cry. Stop giving your lives to thieves. God doesn't require that. He only want you to obey him. No where was it written to give your life to anybody. It is a Roman fab to tie your soul to their son. You all have been fooled. Fear God and obey his commands. I saw the 2 lights. He is the false

At the mention of His name, I have cast out devils, healed the sick, restored broken homes, turned sinners unto righteousness, delivered the captives of hell, terminated demonic oppressions, and demonstrated God's love to men.

The name of Jesus is not an ordinary name. That's the name that raised my younger brother back to life in 1982. The same name delivered me from the jaws of death in 1988.

Come to Jesus. He loves you. He cares for you. He would give you a new life. He died that you may live. Do not allow the labours of Christ regarding your soul to go to waste. Your life is temporal. Only Jesus can give you eternal life. Invite Jesus into your life today, and you'll be saved.

bobestman:
Which of the Chris? Okotie or Oyakhilome? Lol. The idea of dying for sins is a Roman lie to link your soul to the false messiah. Did he ever told you he will die for your sins? They fab that after his death. If you sin, repent. Am not sinning, am exposing the lies they used to decieve you. Your bible God, his son, his ppl, their land, are all in African. The world began here. Bible was written here by black scribes with dreads. It was stolen by Europeans, re-written and brought back to them. It was repackaged and sold to them. When i read it, many of our stories come to me. I see things you ppl can't see. Only a true seed can tell the stories. You think i fabricate many things i say? If you research thing i say or check in the bible when i quote, you will get it. I know many things in the book they twisted that you ppl don't

Chris was an error. I meant to write 'Christ'. Jesus Christ loves you. He died for the redemption of your soul. Do not waste the previous love He has bestowed on you.

Come to Christ today. He'll give you eternal life. And you'll find peace for your soul.

bobestman:
We are ppl of rules. Everyone knows rape, stealing etc are against the laws of the land. They brought all that and after them the ppl no longer regard the laws and begin to do as they see the thieves do. About worship, as your religions differ in worship and doctrine so were they. Mind you their is only one God but their are lesser gods but they don't worship them. The true God many of your religions don't know and mistook for Yahweh is the God of African. Igbo say ELE and their is place called Ugwu Ele(Bethel). Yorubas say Eledumare. Hebrews EL Shamayim, many names in your bible ended with EL. You ppl call on small yahweh. Your bible stories are our stories

I don't have your time dear. I can only tell you that Chris loves you and wants you to be saved. He died that you may live.

Frigga13:
Honestly
He don’t know Jesus Christ.. and have not been saved.. talk more backslide.

He believes he knows more than the Holy Spirit as discards scripture .. simply because His god revealed to him

Will always be on his post to tell Christians his real face ..

Nice one.

Charlatans like this must not be allowed to subvert the faith of young believers.

bobestman:
The only hell we know is Nigeria and your religions made it so. The ppl became brainwashed with it that they can't use their brain to create any meaningful thing. Since your religion came we have been in darkness. They rape our women, steal our resources, flog our ancestors till they accept their religion. Carry them off in a slave ship called "Jesus of Lubek". They turned our politicians to their puppet they use to steal our resources till today. This is why Africa is in hell. The saviour will come from us. Save our land and the Romans who gave you the fake Christ will come and bow. You all will cry for your foolishness. Hell is a state of the mind. Only christian who believe it go their. The true place is the valley of the shadow of death.

So, there were no rapes, no slave trades, no murders, no stealing before the white man came? My religion caused you to worship trees, kill twin babies, worship measles as a god, sacrifice humans for rituals, trek long distances for lack of vehicles, drink dirty water from contaminated rivers, etc?

bobestman:
Hahaha am actually figting the lie. The Roman fab lie used to decieve the world and one day you will get it. Sorry if i tell you about your jesus it will hurt you cos he is a Roman creation. The name is meaningless. What is je and sus. How many ppl in Africa use it? What about middle east? The name was gotten from the yoruba Esu. They first gave you y-ESU-wa and then i-ESU-os and then j-ESU-s. The true names of the father and son are common among their ppl.

You better repent before it's too late. All these your conspiracy theories that lack life and power would only lead you to hell.

bobestman:
So no one can expose your religious lies again abi? Hehehe. This is the age of Aquarius/light. It is not about me. Many of me will rise to expose all the lies in your religions. The light will end darkness (religion). Having found the truth many of you will join hands to end your religion. The good Way is not the way of religion. You can't deny the truth in what i say. I teach from your bible. Do you know that the bible was written by our ancestors? We are here to correct the lies. So don't be surprised i expose many things many of you don't know

Agents of darkness have been saying this for millennia, the truth keeps growing stronger and stronger.

If you keep fighting against the truth, you'll die in your sins, and the same Jesus you're attacking would be the one to judge you in the hereafter.

bobestman:
Hehehe Lordreed the lord of ndi athiests is far better than many churchians like the women hater above who curses, lies and believe a god he don't know

You can convert to atheism if you so desire. Or you're already one? Both of you are birds of a feather.

bobestman:
Lordjc is the Roman fabricated messiah. Daniel was told the robbers of his ppl will try to establish the vision. Who are the robbers? - Europe(Rome). Who did they rob? - Africans who are still in chains of darkness. How did they establish the vision? By creating religions and the false Christ cos they know the true Christ will rise from Africa the home of the hebrews. He is the one to destroy the lies used to cage the children of light and free his ppl. Has the time given by Daniel complete? NO. Endtime means end of Roman/religious lies and the freedom of Africa from darkness. The head that became tail. The Roman knew what they did but you all in their cages don't know. You will accept the lie for the truth and then the town crier cries and their will be many bitter songs. Hehehe

Were you there when it happened? Abeg rest.

No be LordJC, na lordreed.

bobestman:
The one you all know is the Roman fab christ. When the many lies of the Romans and your religions begin to make sense to you, you begin to know the one they packaged for you as the messiah. They robbed your ppl, steal their story and with it create the false messiah. Daniel called them the robbers of your ppl. They know the true messiah will rise from your ppl. They stole the vision and then faked it

You don't know who I know. So, please rest the case. The one you think I know, which you called the false Messiah is different from the Lord Jesus with whom I have to do.

jesusjnr2020:
I don't think you're a satanic agent though irrespective of your provocations, because you are only acting out of ignorance, just as Paul was once doing, despite being so sure of yourself that you know the Truth.

I only pray you'd also realize your errors before it's too late as Paul did, because the same Words of Jesus you attack today will be used against you when you appear before Him on judgment day, if you don't repent.

Meanwhile, i leave you with the Words of Jesus:

John 12:48 (KJV)

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

If Peter and I, and all the other apostles of Christ as well as all the saints of God all through the church ages read Paul's letters and found them in correct alignment with Christ's messages, don't you think you're the one in error? And do you think Peter gave such warnings against your likes in vain?

You're the only one seeing contradictions. We don't. We see unity. We see oneness. Each scripture confirming the words of Christ. If you're seeing otherwise, ask Christ for eye salves so that He can bring you to revelations and deeper measures of spiritual wisdom.

bobestman:
I tell you again you can read 10000 times, perform miracles and still be in error. What they passed down to you was twisted by them and they control you with it. I am not asking for followers, use your brain and you will begin to see their many lies

I'm sorry, your responses don't make sense to me.

If Christ has confirmed Himself to me through practical manifestations and supernatural dealings, with an ongoing cordial relationship with Him, who are you to tell me otherwise? You don't even have any practical proof for the gibberish you've been spewing.

I should leave my full proof relationship with Christ for your blind followership of conspiracy theories? You don't even have a single evidence. My evidences are monstrous. I don't just believe Christ. I know Him. I love Him. We're in great communion.

Frigga13:
Tor

Thank you.

Now you’re beginning to understand the being and his foolishness

I have seen some traces of his demonic arrogance before on a deliverance from cultism thread. The OP who created the thread even sounded an alarm on him, he continued unperturbed. In that thread, he was arrogating some things unto himself. I can't remember exactly but he was seeing himself as some special human in a category higher than everyone including the apostles. I don't know if I'm correct, but it was something like that. I dismissed it though, thinking he was just being childish. This thread now exposes his true colour. He's an agent of hell. He doesn't even know Jesus.

jesusjnr2020:
You see your hypocrisy and falsehood despite all your denial?

You're also proven you're a barefaced liar.

You shouldn't have an issue with being tagged dog, swine, wolf, antichrist that Jesus warned us about unless you repent and stop behaving like one.

The spiritually blind who reject Jesus teachings to their own destruction want to teach true Christians about the Word of God.

The devil would really be proud of you Paulians.

You're a liar. An agent of Satan. A spiritually blind man who rejects the truth of God's word, and even lies against his fellow human to score cheap goals.

I have told you, and I'll tell you again! We do not reject the teachings of Christ, neither that of Paul. If Paul contradicted Christ, we would reject him. But Paul has never contradicted Christ except in your warped imagination.

If you see anything in the scriptures that looks like a contradiction of the words of Christ, even in Paul's writings, talk to us. We would explain to you the unity of Paul's statements in alignment with that of Christ. All by the help of the Holy Ghost.

If you choose to be heretic, remain heretic. The judgement will sit, and you shall be judged according to your demonic perversions.

jesusjnr2020:
You probably were unconscious when you tagged me "demonic" in yourninitial posts, since you can't remember it or probably have a short memory, at least you can't deny it this time though.

The same devil using you Paulians to attack the true Christians who uphold the teachings of Christ, also strategically sent Kobojunkie to attack the Word of Jesus from another angle. Imagine someone who always quotes the teachings of Christ, but doesn't keep any of it rather supports all manner of abominations and evils, and at the back even denying the existence of Jesus to other NLanders.

So exactly what you're doing now is actually the devil's concept, to discredit the teachings of Christ, because he already know the damage the Words of Jesus had done to his works here, especially with atheism, but continue falling easily for his deceit if you like.

He'd rather have you Paulians with such heresies and antichrist teachings, a thousand times, than just one person preaching and teaching people to keep the teachings of Christ, because that is the worst thing that could ever happened to him and his devices, and it's been clearly proven in this forum in the respect of atheism.

It obvious you're not ready to learn or accept the fact that Jesus alone built His church and no one else, with your lengthy attempt to make sense of a glaring lie. I can see where you got that erroneous idea from though. The same Paul, that's why you rejected the glaring saying of Christ because Paul said something else?

That's why I call you Paulians because a true Christian would never do that.

They believe Christ built His church fully as Christ Himself taught us, so nothing Paul or anyone else said could change that fact.

I didn't just tag you demonic, you are. It's the plain truth! You're as demon possessed as kobojunkie. Seek salvation and deliverance ASAP.

Paul never contadicted Christ. All his writings are in alignment with Christ's. Peter read all Paul's epistles and commented that some of his writings would be hard to understand by people like you. He warned us that people like you do wrest the writings of Paul to say what Paul didn't say, even to the destruction of your own souls.

I, being taught of the Holy Ghost have not experienced any discrepancy between Christ's and Paul's messages.

Both Christ and Paul, speaking by the the same Spirit of God spoke the same things. Paul, a servant of Christ further elaborated and explained in fuller details, the things Christ said.

There's no single contradiction. If there's anything you don't understand, let us know. We, by the help of the Holy Ghost would explain it to you.