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AntiChristian:
We can see from the above "and from that day on the spirit of Yahweh came powerfully on David (Just like Samson in Judges 14)".

But in 2 Samuel

David saw Bathsheba taking her bath and was attracted!
He sent his husband Uriah to death in battle to have her!

So where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

FxMasterz
TenQ
Sirtee15

It seems only the New Testament Holy Spirit is perfect!
That in OT no get joy at all!

How many times should we tell you that the Holy Spirit is a Guide? He doesn't force anybody. His work is to enable you do God's will if you decide to do God's will. If you decide to do your own will, He'll warn you and let you have your way. But if you make a decision to do the will of God, then, He'll give you the power to do the will of God.


Many people love to do their own wills. But there are a few regenerated souls who love to do God's will. However, it's one thing to be willing, it's another thing to be able. The Holy Spirit adds ability to your willingness.

A person having the Holy Spirit can receive power to overcome the temptation to sin if he actually does not want to sin. Yeah, the Holy Spirit will strengthen our weaknesses.

But if you decide to sin, the Holy Spirit would warn you and leave you to do whatever you please. That's why the Bible says:

"As many as are led (guided) by the Spirit of God, they're the sons of God." Romans 8:14.

"Be doers of the word, and not hearers only. Otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves." James 1:22.

He guides into all Truth He doesn't force into all Truth. When you choose to be a doer of the word, He'll empower you to do the word. If you choose to be just a hearer and not a doer, He'll warn you and watch you as you reject His warning.

TenQ:
My questions are still waiting for you because I told you that the Holy Spirit does not force anyone against his will.


Shame



Did you read that the Holy Spirit does not force you to do anything. He guides not force!
Even in the new testament, the Holy Spirit guides you amongst other things He does but it's your responsibility to follow His guide.

Sorry!
When you mispresent a Christian doctrine, I show you through through questions the frailty of your position and Islamic understanding .
Usually, you have no answers except you are prepared to conjure lies.

AGAIN :

Now that I have answered your questions, perhaps you will answer these questions according to Islam with respect to the SPIRIT
1. What is Spirit?
Note:
A spirit is a living being!
Eg.
i. Jibril is your Holy Spirit (He's an Angel)
ii. Jesus is a Spirit from Allah
iii. Allah breath his spirit into Adam (Sunan Abi Dawud 4708)
2. Your prophet says that Adam was created in Allah's image, what does he mean? Especially comparing the physical face of a man with that of God and that Adam in His image with His length of sixty cubits (Sahih Muslim 2841)
Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”
3. According to your prophet, he would be the first to be resurected from the grave (Sunan Ibn Majah 4308) and the prophets of old are are still in their graves (Sunan an-Nasa'i 1633). If this is true
a. Did Mohammed actually see the prophets such as Moses, Adam, Joseph, Aaron or it wasn't true that he actually saw them.
b. If he saw them in reality but their bodies are still in their graves here on earth, are they not DUALITY (As they are both in heaven and earth(grave) at the same time?

4a. Is it true that Allah is above the seven heavens on his throne?
b. Is it true that Allah descend and comes down every third part of the night to hear those who will invoke him?
Therefore, Can Allah enter his creation?

He will never answer the questions.

He'll rather create another meaningless topic.

Mvnster:
Their allah is not called the best of deceivers for nothing. Its same spirit which decieved adam and eve to eat of the forbiden fruit.

Meanwhile, their Allah told them Adam was a prophet. They couldn't even take a clue from the fact that Adam their prophet committed sin; what would then stop other prophets from committing sin? Prophet Adam of Islam disobeyed Allah by approaching a tree Allah commanded him not to approach. So, then, if it is impossible for prophets to commit sin, why did Adam commit the sin of disobedience?

The only truth Allah told them in that their Quran was that Jesus was sinless. Every other thing in the Quran was a lie. And indeed Jesus was sinless. He was the only sinless man who ever lived. That should be an eye opener to the average Muslim but the lies they hold on to were planted through a well coordinated indoctrination and brainwashing process. They can't even see truth if you break their heads and put it inside. Every Muslim needs some sort of deliverance from the Deceptive spirit of Allah before they can see truth. Allah is very good at his job. Indeed, he's the best of deceivers.

Mvnster:
So because he has the Holy Spirit, he cant be tempted or make any mistakes?

He doesn't understand the work of the Holy Spirit and His operations in believers, so he's creating wrong topics that hold no water.

Their lying Quran portrayed prophets to them as people incapable of sinning.

AntiChristian:
Read what I wrote again!
He is dead to this world!

Stop mentioning the Qur'an you don't understand!

Can you communicate with him and get a feedback as you do to me now?

If He's dead to this world, He wouldn't be saving souls, baptizing people with His Holy Spirit and healing the sick as He does today.

And you'll agree with me that Mohammed is not just dead to this world. He's completely dead.

AntiChristian:
I have been a Christian too!

CAC, Catholic, Celestial and MFM!

Jesus is dead to this world too just as Adam, Moses and others are!
There's nothing wrong in calling Muhammad dead!
May the peace and blessings of Allah be on them all!

No my friend.

Jesus is alive. Even your Quran says so.

AntiChristian:
May God forgive you too for all your lies!

Better repent!

Allah told you that I'm lying just in order to deceive your soul. Some day, God would open your eyes to the truth if indeed you're a seeker of Truth.

I've been a Muslim, so I understand where you are are talking from. You're as ignorant as I was when I was following a dead Mohammed. My dad was an extremely zealous Muslim who came from a generation of Muslims himself before Christ met him.

AntiChristian:
The Spirit of Truth
However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come. John 16:13

The Spirit of Killing 30 People to steal their clothes for betting


The Spirit of killing Lion


Sirtee15
TenQ
Expanse2020
FxMasterz

Does God have two different spirits; one kills and the other guides to the truth?
The OT Spirit obviously couldn't guide Samson eventually...
The NT Spirit can guide!

Sirtee15 Na four persons your God be now?

Your cup will soon be full. If this is all your brains could still come up with after all that you have read in responses so far, then all I can
say is "may God have mercy on you."

AntiChristian:
Correcting someone may not involve speech! The same holy Spirit that could grant him power to kill Lion and 30 men can't do a simple task of correction and guidance.

Here are the latest questions:

1.Why can't the Spirit correct him not to fail? 2.How many Spirit does your God have? 3.Does your God's Spirit change?

So, if someone is correced, he must also be forced to obey? Didn't you read that even Samson's parents corrected him to no avail?

After correction, a man still has his choice. Just as you have your choice today after many corrections. But, you won't have your choice on the day of judgement. Samson can relate.

AntiChristian:
1.Why can't the Spirit correct him not to fail? 2.How many Spirit does your God have? 3.Does your God's Spirit change?

See Below:
However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come. John 16:13

In the Old Testament, the Holy Spirit only speaks to prophets.
In the new Testament, He speaks to everyone.

Samson was a Nazarite. He wasn't a prophet. He already knew the rules of a Nazarite but he blatantly broke it.

AntiChristian:
The context here is slightly different in a major way. Samson made a bet with a riddle. If his wife's people gets the riddle he will give them 30 linen garments and 30 sets of clothes. Samson does not have all these materials so he had to kill 30 people to acquire them.

And the Biblical God send His Holy Spirit to help Samson in this regard!

Why didn't the holy Spirit empower him when Delilah was about to tempt him to death?



Holy Spirit did not enter in to me to kill anyone yet! And I seek refuge in Allah from all accursed destructive spirits!

Your analogy no gel at all!

God does not always have to send His Holy Spirit on Samson before he could act. He had the gift of might. An anointing that he could use and misuse.

God punished him eventually for his errors.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is seen that "just is" is very very far away from Muslims and atheists.

They don't know what they're doing.

AntiChristian:
We are still saying the same thing!
The Holy spirit entered Samson and he was able to kill the lion. The holy spirit again entered him again to kill thirty people while enraging him.

The people Samson killed were God's enemies according to verses 4 NIV.

God is good all the time!
And all the time God is good!

Assuming you have a few policemen in an area troubled by terrorists. If you as a Governor donates firearms to the policemen in order to help them fulfil their purposes as Law Enforcement Officers; and one of them takes his guns and firearms to kill an animal and 30 people who enraged him, would it be just for anyone to accuse you of wrongdoing?

The Holy Spirit empowered Samson. The locks of his hair were his storehouse of power. He had the Gift of Might. He could use it as he pleased but in the end, he would be accountable to God who gave him the power.

The same way God has given you the Gift of Life. You can use that life as you please. You can even blaspheme the Holy Ghost with it, but in the end, you would be accountable unto God who gave you the life.

AntiChristian:
I wonder who creates theories for these Christians. Mere theories without any verse from their God but Paul!
Spirit of God is Gentle but enter Samson and he killed Lion with hands and killed thirty people!

That's the spirit of your God!
If Boko Haram were to claim the spirit of their God entered them to kill people would you equate them to your Samson?

The truth is that you Christians are mostly prejudiced liars for Christ!

The Spirit that can't enter Samson to prevent him from being deceived by Delilah!
The Spirit that can't stop him from committing Suicide!
The Spirit that can only encourage killings!

I was actually supposed to ignore the thread because the ignorance it showcases was so high. Even a normal Christian who rarely goes to church would see how irrelevant the thread is. I had to post a reply only because I wanted to educate you a bit. I don't expect any Christian to respond to this post because it's so ignoble.

The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God is a meek Spirit. He's gentle. He is our guidance but He also enables us to fulfil our purpose. He is an enabler. He can make the weak strong. He is the Power of God. The power to do all things is in Him.

He empowered Samson according to Samson's purpose. He empowered the Lord Jesus while He was in His human body. That's why Christ said "I can of my own self do nothing." The same way Samson could do nothing without the Holy Spirit.

He empowered the prophets to see the future and tell the mind of God to the people. He is the one who empowers us to live a righteous life and to win the battles over sin and the devil.

Whatsoever the purpose of a child of God is, He is the One who empowers us to fulfil our purposes. He is the Spirit of Wisdom, Counsel, Might, Understanding, and Knowledge. He is also the Spirit of the Lord and of the Fear of the Lord.

In Samson, He operated through Him as the Spirit of Might to bring judgement unto Israel's enemies and deliver them from their oppressors.

You can keep ranting in your ignorance. It doesn't change the fact that God is Almighty and His Spirit empowers His servants to fulfil their purposes in life.

Happy birthday mama.

Long life and more prosperity in Jesus name.

TheFinesseKid:
nawa. Even the meaning sef need deciphering explain more

It means the occurrence is abnormal. There are some unknown forces at work which might be either natural or spiritual.

It's a pity.

If you can't understand this simple passage of scripture, how can you understand deeper truths?

In the Old Testament, the Spirit of the Lord doesn't dwell inside people because there were no sanctified men. The Spirit of the Lord dwells in people today because the Blood of Jesus sanctifies those who believe, and therefore could become a habitation for God. In the old testament, this wasn't possible. The Spirit of the Lord only visits and departs.

Samson was raised by God as a defender of the nation of Israel against the oppressive Philistines. He missed his callings and traded his anointing for sexual pleasure.

The Spirit of the Lord is a gentle and meek Spirit. He doesn't force you. He only guides you. You still have a choices whether to accept His guidance or reject it. It is still the same way He operates till today.

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
You know, the problem with a forum like this is that you tend to assume that the person you are debating is up to a certain level, when it could infact be someone of very limited knowledge.
Here I am, debating someone who:
1) Doesn't know that the Torah is in the Bible
2) Doesn't know that Old Testament is the Jewish Bible
3) Doesn't know that "Jewish Christian" is an oxymoron
4) Said verbatim that Einstein was a Christian
5) Then asked where he said such a thing!
7) Then said Einstein was "raised a Christian" till he was a teenager
8*) Then said Einstein wasn't raised a Christian at all because his parents were irreligious. Instead he was a "Jewish Christian" all by himself till the ripe old age of 12! No longer till he was a teenager!
9) Then he told me he knows all this because he reads books while I only search Google
10) Then he followed quickly with a post saying everything has been resolved!

My people this is the type of person I am debating!
Sweet Lawd, why me??!!

Lol

FRANCISTOWN:
@ PoliteActivist
@ FxMasterz
Hearken unto my voice and absorb thineselves of ignorance.

You see, I read about Einstein in the late 80s from one of the books in a library. I can't remember neither the title nor the author but I can clearly remember few lines from the book.

And I can tell you for free that there are so many streams of information that are written in books that you will never find such informations on the Internet. Same as there are several books you will never even see anything about them on the Internet.

I read from the book that Einstein was a Jewish christian until 12, but he kept his loss of faith to himself.

Einstein in his own words said "I came—though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents—to a deep religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of twelve. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true." (Source: Wikipedia)

From the above excerpt, which religion was he really deep into? It simply means he was deep in a religion that believed in the bible(Christianity) because Judaism uses the Torah.

O ye ignorant younger ones who run to Google for even the littlest information. Behold the voice of god: you can't compare your knowledge with those of us who read good books. You only have the internet, we have ancient knowledge+ the internet.

I don't just cap carelessly, I do know what I'm talking about. And BTW, do not drag LordReed for what he isn't guilty of.

Don't come at me with your primitive knowledge.

Find the attachments below for your reference.

Lol.

Do you think you're the only one who has ancient knowledge? If you think so, then, I more. For, I am not a child of yesterday myself.

But, you see, encounters with God is a personal thing, and you can't get it through religion. Both Religion and Science have failed in exploring the essence of a universal God. God is universal and so the medium of discovering God is a universal medium. Scientific knowledge as well as Religion are not universal, hence, they're inadequate as mediums for finding God.

People fail to see and experience God because they do so through inadequate mediums.

We need to know the source of this news.

stunnert:
I'll be praying for Chris.

We should all do.

God bless you brother.

stunnert:
14 years after you posted this, TB Joshua flock has been scattered, his legacy destroyed, his reputation in tatters

So many gullible churchgoers are still clinging unto them.

Chris started well but I've heard so much about him lately.

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
Einstein was never a Christian

Yeah, he was never one.

Those churchgoers who have no discernment are the very ones who make false prophets popular.

Raydos:
That is still wrong!!

Even Google is wrong, There are lot of bullshits on Google!


Leopard is Ẹkun
Cheetah is Amotekun

The meaning of "Amotekun" in literal meaning is, "The one who looks like Ẹkun" (Àmọ́tẹ́kùn)

It's because of the striking resemblance between Leopard and cheetah!


Leopard is the Ẹkun
Cheetah is Amotekun (The one who looks Like Ẹkun)


Tiger in the other hands does not exist in Yoruba land, Not even in Africa, So there is no way we will have a name for what doesn't exist on our side!!


But the name given given to Tiger recently is Ògìdán

So
Tiger — Ògìdán


Ọwawa is another animal entirely!

Okay, we I may be wrong about Owawa. But I still maintain that Leopard is Amotekun. You can see that even our Amotekun Corps have the Leaopard as their insignia.

LordReed:
By evidence not by word of mouth.

You cannot have any evidence until you have a subjective experience within the party.

LordReed:
How does that validate his beliefs? Some people were in PDP then they switched to APC so does that make APC the 'true' party?

When you are in the true party won't you know it for yourself?

LordReed:
What exactly is special about the testimony? Someone that found scam artists masquerading as demonologists compelling is what should convince me? LoLz.

He also said these same things about Christians who shared their testimonies of divine encounters until the day he met Jesus.

LordReed:
Nope he doesn't KNOW any better. He believes and may even believe he knows but he doesn't. None of you believers know.

He had also put up such denials as this before he met Christ.

FRANCISTOWN:
And because Einstein believed in the "supposed" god, I should also?


Even if scientists discovered the supernatural, with proofs(which of course I'm sure it will never happen)
In the field of science, any discovery that is not useful and applicable to real life situation is simply useless, forgotten and discarded.

We've seen that those of you who believe in the supernatural don't have an edge over us. Therefore scientific discovery will not make a difference.

BTW, the discovery of the supernatural doesn't mean there is a supposed god behind it.
I remember myself and LordReed having this very interesting discussion one time like that, where he mentioned that there are atheists who might believe in the supernatural.

I guess if scientists discovered the supernatural realm(I mean with irrefutable proofs, which everyone can handle). I might just turn to one of those atheists who believe the supernatural.
Until there is a proof of a god, I'm sorry. Scientific discoveries of the supernatural won't make any difference.


Science has never claimed to know everything


Science has a pedigree. Science has proven itself over time to be almost dependable.
Therefore dear respected FxMasterz. I base my life on first "My common reasoning" then "Science" as a body of knowledge. Emphasis on the quotes.


Dey play.
I'm telling you that theists know in their innermost recesses of minds that there is no God in the universe. You guys only wish. You wish.


Yinmu.😜

You'll some day have an encounter. That encounter will change everything for you.

Have you read the testimony of Sixthsense? He was formerly a boastful atheist like you. He shared his testimony and conversion experience here on Nairaland.

The world is beyond common sense. Don't measure spirituality on the scale of religion.

God is not religion and religion is not God. Using the religion of men to measure or discover God is a wrong approach.

LordReed:
Einstein belief is in a type of Spinoza's god and that conceptualization was not considered 'divine'. Spinoza believed that God is "the sum of the natural and physical laws of the universe and certainly not an individual entity or creator". As far as I am concerned this is just unnecessary word play on Spinoza's part, the universe is there is no need to call it god.

You keep talking as if you can read minds. I do not know that gods exist and like I have mentioned the idea of anthropomorphic gods is nonsensical. A whim, a fantasy we like to indulge in as an extension of our own desires for power over our environment. No such beings exist or at the very least have been demonstrated to exist. You can pray from now till the sun grows cold your god will never do anything to contradict the laws of nature because that God doesn't exist.

Have you read the conversion testimony of a former atheist here on Nairaland called Sixthsense? He once talked like you're doing now. Today, having obtained mercy, he knows better.

Aemmyjah:
If you write about someone that lived about me 5000 years ago, quoting what he said
But someone who lived about 200 years ago had written something similar
Does it necessarily mean you copied the one who wrote something similar?
Where did that one get his information from? Could he have copied what someone or other people may have said or written about that person?

If what the person said is the same as what I wrote, and my writings are in wide circulation, his hearers would conclude he's quoting me except he clearly explains his sources. Every information has a source.