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ivandragon:
I don't know where you have gotten your own information about reordering in 99 & 2003.

From the court transcript I read, Wale Afolabi ordered for it this year & collected in June of this year.

Enahoro subpoenaed for it & received a copy. Whether someone had previously ordered for it when enahoro picked it up in 2022, I do not know.

But I find it curious that CSU can have records of the requests from both enahoro & more recently from wale & then feign ignorance of previous requests.

Institutions I know keep track of these things. When a diploma/certificate is collected, there are records to show exactly when it was collected.

I have never heard of an institution that does not keep track of diplomas/certificates issued, no matter how ceremonial such documents may be.

You are muddling things up. What BAT sent Wole Afolabi to pick this year were his records and files from CSU. His transcripts specifically. I don't know if the certificate was included but if it was included it would have the updated logos and formats and would not be similar to the one he gave to INEC.

Enahoro subpoenaed for it in August 2022 and he received a copy because BAT ordered for a copy around 2003 which he did not pick.up. How do I know it's 2003? Because it has the unique features (including specific signatures) of CSU certificates from 2003 until the 20teens.
Enahoro used subpoena to get his own. He wasn't ordering it as a student. The school believed it was for a court process, this is why they kept a copy because ordinarily they don't release student certificates to 3rd parties ie anyone aside the student.

ivandragon:
I thought you had read the court transcript?

I have and that's why I'll say boldly that that claim is false.

ivandragon:
Lol.

Like seriously?

Schooling at government college Ibadan?

Being a graduate of University of Chicago?

Holding a b.sc. in economics?

Finishing in 1979 from a school established in 1974?

Being a member of CPA but no records to confirm that.

Like you seriously want to feign ignorance of those issues?

Okay. I thought you were going to speak about CSU or alleged forgery of certificate.

ivandragon:
Complete fraud is an understatement.

Have you noticed how his supporters try to narrow the issue to CSU while ignoring the other mind-boggling lies.

Out of 10 lies, one is true, but they want to use the single truth to justify 9 other lies.

What are those lies?

ivandragon:
That was what some of us also said that there is no third party involved, but I guess lies need to be covered with more lies.

For the record, the CSU registrar said the certificate of 1979 was not in its records so it was ASSUMED that BAT had picked it up at the time.

The only other time BAT requested for the certificate was through a proxy sometime this year & this was not picked up.

Enahoro-Ebah subpoenaed for a copy which he picked up.

At no time before the 2023 presidential elections did BAT pick up his certificate (the one to be reissued).

Mind you, under cross examination, the CSU admitted that the signatures on the inec copy were wrong & it could not speak to that document.

@the bolded, can you show me proof of this? Show me where they said the signatures on the INEC diploma were wrong.

ivandragon:
That was what some of us also said that there is no third party involved, but I guess lies need to be covered with more lies.

For the record, the CSU registrar said the certificate of 1979 was not in its records so it was ASSUMED that BAT had picked it up before the presidential elections

The only other time BAT requested for the certificate was through a proxy sometime this year & this was not picked up.

Enahoro-Ebah subpoenaed for a copy which he picked up.

At no time before the 2023 presidential elections did BAT pick up his certificate (the one to be reissued).

So there are three certificates spoken about from the deposition.

1) The original 1979 which BAT picked up and lost probably between 1994 and 1998 and which the school no longer have a copy of because it has been picked up.

2) The certificate BAT submitted to INEC which looks like samples from 1999 but the school can't tell if BAT reordered for it or not because they don't keep records of students reordering or collecting their certificates. Certificate is seen as a ceremonial (like a graduation gown (my emphasis)). So BAT may have gotten it in 1999, but since he picked it up, the school have no record to tell.

3) BAT reordered again in 2003 (perhaps because he knew they had changed logo and format and another election was coming (my emphasis)). However, BAT didn't pick this one up. This is the one Enahoro got from CSU when he issued them a fake subpoena

4) BAT was sued by Enahoro around August 2022 (two months after he submitted the 1999 lookalike certificate to INEC. (This may have prompted BAT to reorder again around October 2022 in order to have an updated copy to show the high court and this time he picked it up as he said at Chattam House and if he picked it up, the school would have no record unfortunately (my emphasis)).

ivandragon:
No. But it is been insinuated by some of his most vocal supporters.

& even if that is taken away, can you speak for the other 'issues' since it appears you want to be his spokesperson on this thread...

Those spokesmen are just assuming. I have read the deposition and listened to his lawyer's account on this occasion twice. Those are the only two narratives I stand by.

Ask me any question.

EDOLUWA:
Evil followers of this government doing everything to frustrate Supreme Court judgement.

It is Crystal clear that Tinubu forged Certificates he used to gain Admission to Chicago University!!!

It can't be crystal clear when there's no evidence. Have you read the deposition?

tesppidd:
Read below.

Then send me some screenshots to prove where CSU said they produced the documents and those were photocopies.

The newspaper got it wrong. Such a shame.

All the registrar said was that they are not in a position to authenticate the copy since they do not have the original in their possession. The Photocopy is a replacement certificate which has most likely been picked up and if that is so, then they would not have it in their possession. They already explained they have no records of diplomas that have been picked up.

When asked specifically if they have ever issued any diploma similar to the one Tinubu presented to INEC, they said yes and showed samples.

Now I have given you evidence, you give me a screenshot or evidence from the deposition that states what this newspaper claims.

Also, read everything in my screenshot and ask me any question.

ivandragon:
Those who support BAT dancing naked are those who do not have the interest of this country at heart.

There are so many issues & things in dispute about him that it is mind-boggling.

Age? In dispute.

Upbringing? Unknown.

Attended Government College Ibadan. Lie.

Finished from Government College lagos in 1970. Lie.

A Chartered Public Accountant. Lie.

Attended CSU. True.

Drug history. Heroin bagman.

Source of income. Unknown.

Vendor for CSU certificate presented to INEC. Unknown.

Siblings. Unknown.

Can those supporting BAT on these issues beat thier chest & say they can entrust thier business to such a character?

Did Tinubu tell you he got his certificate from a vendor?

IfnobeGod20:
Common sense is not always common. You went translating the line of I can't authenticate the certificate to mean what you wanted. The registrar said, he cannot authenticate the certificate Tinubu submitted to INEC as he was confronted with it. What does it mean, if someone claimed he cannot authenticate something?
I don't even expect the case to die down like that. I expect someone to take the case up and sue Tinubu in US for going to reproduce his certificate when he has not collected the original and also sue him for using non-existent secondary school to aid his admission into the school. I am cog sure the last is not yet heard about this case in US.

This narration that you people are giving to this issue makes no iota of sense at all. Please what liberty does anyone has to go and produce school certificate just because he graduated from the school? Please which law permits that? No matter your score, you have no right as student to go and produce your certificate by yourself on the premise that you graduated from the school. No school all over the world permit that.

Just as I had said, until you behave maturely and sensibly before I reply other issue, because I don't know who is Obingo or any one referred to cursed memory.

Why couldn't they authenticate it? Didn't they tell you earlier on, they don't keep diploma copies once they are collected? When asked if they have seen copies like the INEC copy before, what was their answer? I look forward to your reply to this question.

tesppidd:
Stop fooling yourself.

I cannot read the disposition to you, if you have a challenge with reading or assimilation

I cannot help you..

I have read the deposition. They never denied the certificate. They only said it's a photocopy and they do not have the original to compare simply because they don't keep diplomas.
However, they said it is similar to copies they issued in 1999.
Go and read the deposition, I doubt you have read it.

kennyz247:
Tinubu major issues is not change of name oooo, CSU did not approve his certificate,they denied issuing certificate to tinubu, so timubu Cass is disqualification, while atiku case can be verified from waec here in Nigeria if his is real owner of the result..

Can you show me proof please? All you wrote there about Tinubu's case is false.

FireUpNow:
One thing I like about you is that you don't get aggressive and abusive. Nice one!
On a serious note why did the late Gani raised same alarm and now Atiku. Don't you think something is not just right somewhere? I believe you are much aware that the certicate Tinubu submitted to INEC is different from the one CSU issues? Though I am not happy about this saga.

Gain Fahwehmi raised alarm not on CSU certificate but on the false claims made in Tinubu's application in 1999 about his primary school and attendance of University of Chicago in 1972 not on his Chicago state university. Tinubu appealed the case then by saying he was away and Tokunbo filled his form for him and added all those things. However, one would still fault him because he had already put his signature there. The question is: Did he just sign the form and give Tokunbo or he knew what Tokunbo filled and willingly lied then, only Tinubu can answer that question. Also, Tinubu made a point then that he once applied as a senator in 1992 where he filled the form himself and never gave those false information in 1999.

I believe you are much aware that the certicate Tinubu submitted to INEC is different from the one CSU issues?

Can you prove this to me please? His certificate to INEC was different from what sample? Have you read the deposition? I doubt you have.

IfnobeGod20:
When the registrar says he cannot authenticate his replacement certificate, please what does that mean. He even went ahead to say, Tinubu original certificate is still in his file. If truly Tinubu had applied to the school and follow normal procedure, the school would have alerted him that he has not collected his original certificate and they would never contemplate giving him any replacement. This is where common sense comes to play.
At first your Tinubu claimed the error in his certificate was committed by the school clerk but later turned 360° with his supporters claiming he got it from third party, forgetting that third party doesn't have sole right to reproduce certificate without the school consent, after the applicant had tendered application and paid prescribed fee of $26.
If this Tinubu's case is to be decided in US or UK, Tinubu would have throw in the towel for long because they can never compromise their standard. Where is it hearable that you didn't collect original but looking for replacement.

Please who is Obingo and who is the cursed memory? You better bridle your mouth and comment like sensible person and stop name calling and denigrating personality. Behave maturely and stop this garage behaviour of name calling.
When you use the right name, I will give you the right answer to any question thrown.

When the registrar says he cannot authenticate his replacement certificate, please what does that mean

It means he cannot authenticate a photocopy. Nobody authenticates a photocopy when he/she doesn't have the original. The reason the school doesn't have the original is that they don't keep records of diplomas. However, they made it clear that the certificate was similar to certificates issued in 1999 and they showed samples. Therefore, I can argue that Tinubu reordered for that certificate in 1999 which he gave to INEC in 2022.

He even went ahead to say, Tinubu original certificate is still in his file.

This is false. He wasn't speaking of the original certificate in that instance but another reordered one from 2003 dated June 27th 1979.

If truly Tinubu had applied to the school and follow normal procedure, the school would have alerted him that he has not collected his original certificate and they would never contemplate giving him any replacement

Again this is false because the school made it clear they don't keep diplomas as part of the files of the students, they keep them in a seperate file, and this is only the case when the student doesn't pick them up. If the student picks it up, it's gone forever. So whenever a student recorders, they just check the student file only and then send the records offsite for a new one to be produced for the student.

At first your Tinubu claimed the error in his certificate was committed by the school clerk but later turned 360° with his supporters claiming he got it from third party, forgetting that third party doesn't have sole right to reproduce certificate without the school consent, after the applicant had tendered application and paid prescribed fee of $26.
If this Tinubu's case is to be decided in US or UK, Tinubu would have throw in the towel for long because they can never compromise their standard. Where is it hearable that you didn't collect original but looking for replacement.

This is where I agree with you. Tinubu's lawyer has never mentioned anything about 3rd party or any 3rd party vendor argument.

GeneralPula:
Who did Tinubu lied to? You didn’t answer..

A diploma is a ceremonial document in USA. It can’t from the school initially if only you know. But I guess you’re not aware..

You can only prove in court that the certificate tinubu submitted to INEC is fake if CSU affirmed tinubu didn’t graduate from their school. The moment CSU affirmed is studentship, he’s been cleared! Don’t bother stressing bro. Wait for SC! I’ll quote you when they pass the judgements..

Apart from that, they can't also prove that the one he submitted to INEC was not gotten from the school. I dare anyone to go read the deposition and prove that to me from the deposition.

tesppidd:
CSU said he attended the school but the certificate he submitted to INEC did not come from them!!!

Stop grasping at straws.. The issue is not him attending CSU, the issue is him submitting a fake certificate to INEC...

Don't kid yourself.

CSU said he attended the school but the certificate he submitted to INEC did not come from them!!!

Show me where CSU said the certificate he submitted to INEC did not come from them.

GeneralPula:
Did Tinubu submitted any government college certificate from Nigeria to gain admission into CSU?

Show me the certificate that you guys are drafting out perjury from?

I have answered him, just above your reply.

FireUpNow:
it seems you not following the matter closely

I am following and I kid you not. If you think I don't know what I'm saying, ask me direct questions and I would answer you.

Again, Wole Afolabi who is Tinubu's lawyer has never said Tinubu used a 3rd party or mentioned 3rd party vendors.

IfnobeGod20:
Tinubu claimed he went to Government College, Ibadan but he didn't go there. That's perjury.
He claimed he went to Government College, Lagos. A non-existent secondary school in 1970. That's perjury.
He claimed he went to Paul Aroloya, Lagos, but there was no school like that. That's perjury.
He claimed he went to Children Home School, Ibadan but he never went there. That's perjury.
He used a non-existent secondary school to aid his admission into CSU. By law, you cannot build something on nothing, meaning he has no certificate in the eye of the law for using fake school to gain admission.
Alas! he didn't stop at that, he went to forge his acclaimed CSU certificate while he has not collected the original certificate CSU printed for him. How would a serious student seek for replacement of certificate while he has not collected the original? That can only happen in the school of Tinubu and his supporters.

He used a non-existent secondary school to aid his admission into CSU. By law, you cannot build something on nothing, meaning he has no certificate in the eye of the law for using fake school to gain admission.

He used GCE from University of Cambridge Lagos to gain admission not GCV Lagos. He didn't present any result from the said GCV Lagos.

Alas! he didn't stop at that, he went to forge his acclaimed CSU certificate while he has not collected the original certificate CSU printed for him.

No evidence for this from the deposition. If you saw that in the deposition, paste the screenshots here and show me the particular lines you want me to pay attention to.

How would a serious student seek for replacement of certificate while he has not collected the original? That can only happen in the school of Tinubu and his supporters.

Again this is false. No evidence he never collected the original.

FireUpNow:
I know there is no evidence for now but this piece of news concerning forgery is a big dent on our image. One question I am asking is this. Why didn't CSU did not gives the names of their accredited third party vendors and which of them issued the president:s certificate? With money and power lawyers can paint white red. I am not castigateing anyboddy

Nowhere did CSU or the president's lawyer tell you that Tinubu ordered from a 3rd party or vendor. Where do you people get this from?

Nato008:
But in the same deposition the were asked if at anytime the issued a certificate to him and the answered in the negative, or is like we have various pirated copies of this stuffs online with different info

Show me a screenshot of where you read this in the deposition and give me the particular line numbers.

Nato008:
Mehn so much lies and falsehood flying up and down, why can't he just come and clear us abi he no rate us moreover when he was at chatam house and he said he had collected his certificate from the school, this was last year oh so how come the school under oath said he was never issued certificate and the can't authentic what he submitted at inec....?

So the problem is that the school does not keep records when a student orders to collect a certificate or even when they collect them except the student orders and doesn't pick them.

When a student graduates in 1979 for instance
and loses his/her certificate in 1999 for instance, the student orders for a replacement certificate. The replacement certificate he gets would be dated 1979 but similar in logo and fonts to certificates issued in 1999 when it was ordered.

So Chattam house happened in December 2022, six months after Tinubu had submitted certificate to INEC which was in June 2022. Enahoro went to U.S to search for Tinubu's certificate and got a copy from the school. Enahoro sued Tinubu to court around that time claiming Tinubu forged his INEC certificate because the logos, fonts, and signatures are different from what he (Enahoro) got from CSU.

In light of the above, it is possible Tinubu ordered for another certificate in November 2022 just to defend himself in court when asked and prove Enahoro wrong. This was most likely what he was speaking about in Chattam House.

Nato008:
He graduated and yet was never issued any certificate, fine no issues but then why go to vendor to print stuff when u could easily go and take ur own certificate since it was available....who does that?

He was issued a certificate in 1979. The school confirmed this themselves. Go and read the deposition again.

chidiokay:
IN Nigeria there is no practice as 3rd party vendor, therefore any certificate obtained outside the institution is forged an a crime. Agree n Settled !

BUT in America we have being made to understand its a different ball game, institutions/school acknowledge the presence of 3rd party vendors.
Finding have shown these 3rd party vendors are accredited, otherwise school would have sorted litigation against them.
Since Tinubu certificate was obtained from America it is imperative the US law determine its legality, from CSU & court actions its clear Tinubu commit no crime, maybe if Tinubu had lied about is grade or forge his transcript then Atiku might have a case home & abroad

There's no need for this 3rd party argument. Tinubu ordered his replacement certificate from the school around 1999 and that's what he presented to INEC.

Nato008:
Nope from the documents atiku got in one of them he was asked to reset an exam which was required to graduate abi gain admissions into the school itself....seems like the documents he used to gain admissions were not correct and was asked to reset or something like that, but mehn jokes aside for national security is the DSS not supposed to carry this matter up like gala.....like our number one citizen and we can't firmly point how ans where he fell from, Omo this country is cruise

I know what you are talking about and even that is not correct.

The option that was ticked was that he passed English but because it was ticked in such a way that it branched into the option above it that says English not passed, people erroneously thought that was the option marked. Look at the document very well, check from where the tick began, you'll see it's pointing to the last option which indicates that he successfully passed English.

If he didn't pass English and CSU saw that document in their final screening why would they insist he graduated and was issued a diploma cert in 1979?

FireUpNow:
In all of this forgey going up and down so, it will make foreigners to doubt any certificate presented by any Nigeria outside the country. I am weeping for my country seeing how our leaders have become so shambolic.

But there is no evidence of any forgery. So Obidients create conspiracy theories in their head for the world just for political reasons and at the end they start crying.

Taylor92:
I challenge any APC supporter to tell me one single information about Tinubu that doesn’t have controversy over it and I swear I’ll support Tinubu


Just give me one

This is about racism but it applies to Tinubu and how he would answer you.

Nato008:
I think the new entry is that he actually attended Sha but he never graduated, u can actually attend university but fail to graduate for different reasons ur academic transcript will still be available I guess

But the transcript itself doesn't show that any course was outstanding and the University repeatedly said under oath that he graduated in 1979.

AcuraZDX:
So what will you say about married women that changed to their husbands name.

Are you this daft?

Was Atiku a married woman? Or are you saying like Tinubu he was also once female?

Racoon:
Let the season of exposures continue. Tinubu should sue Atiku/Peter Obi, Peter Obi should also sue Atiku and Tinubu even as Atiku sued Tinubi in the US.

However, a solemn fact have long been established and confirmed - Tinubu is a certificate forger and identity theft specialist.

Should we debate the forgery allegation?

Jagabanarmy:
I hate when people generalized. We have Sane supporters of Jagaban here. On this certificate issues, I think we should all wait for the supreme court to give verdict on it. This is the main reason I have never say anything on the.issue since the matter is before the supreme court .I think my little background in law necessitated it

This is no issue. Reading the deposition you'll see there is nothing there that establishes forgery. Read it yourself and I would be happy to learn and discuss with you (a lawyer) on what you think.