₦airaland Forum

Racoon:
Wale Edun and FreeStuff have been dishing out fake agbadorian data about the economy down playing the negative economic consequences of impulsive debts pillage. Now 31% of IGR goes to pad debts from loans and senseless borrowings.

Debt serving is not debt payment but a stupid economic illiterate first class CSU diploma certificate forger said "nah statistics we go chop?"

The debt servicing is as a result of previous debts owed. So what else would Obi have done? Not service debt?

Owerri Nigeria.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdOOcyFSJ_w?si=p9n4JQpeKm-Vh3fl

Abuja landmark Bird eyeview.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRQDk3YzYHg?feature=shared

samorobo:
Even Ibadan doesn’t look bad. It’s changing .

I see. BTW this is the Abuja Ghanaians here are comparing with Accra. Nawa oo.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVqZbPmM954?si=ch95Z5midu0XHCkC

Benin city has changed a lot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2tqfKnYucw?si=kZ9D_jAdIUffdLWT

lovewins:
Couldn't have seen this coming. Why didn't they continue with Pedros though?

With Zambia demolishing them 6-2 in a friendly recently, you could tell they didn't feel they were progressing good enough.

Global2000:
What else to prove. What he submitted to INEC isn't real. Nigerians are smarter for somebody in Tinubu's caliber to be governed. He has alot of contradictions,questionable character. I have nothing against him personally but the picture he portrays as a politician is not what Nigeria needs at the moment. I believe

How do you know what he submitted to INEC isn't real?

Global2000:
Imagine this old man. If this man knows the damage he caused. Nigerians living in diaspora are facing problems when it comes to documents. For moral sake this old man should step aside. He has no shame.

You are funny. You allege he forged certificate, yet you can't prove it. So you guys are the problem to the so called diaspora who have issues with their documents.

ISLAMBAD:
Tinubu is such a very fraudulent clown

But wait, why are Tinubu's rodents no more saying that Tinubu graduated with first class ?

Like vulture like followers

But he graduated with first class. Didn't he? He got 3.52 out of 4.0.

ozijay:
Chai. So for your days for sch the word similar mean say na original haa ok Sir. 🤦🤦

You are looking for evidence it is forged. The burden of proof is on you to show how it's forged. Nobody has the original of the INEC diploma but since there are samples that are like it with signatures exactly like it, then it means that the certificate may have well be from the University.
You are the one who should prove it's not from the University since you are the one alleging it is forged.

ozijay:
Why u talk rubbish here wheres the one he submitted to INEC that was signed by a board that didn't exist at the time, particularly Dr. Elnara Daniel. The same document disowned by the registral on oat in court of law. Your Mumu no too much. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The one he submitted to INEC is similar to certificates issued in 1999. CSU made that clear.

bentenny:
For eye sight sake read what the CSU reg claimed was in their possession!
Its so clear unless you want me to make it bolder for you and i will gladly do so!

What was in their possession was the reordered certificate dated June 27th 1979 which was ordered sometime between 2003 and 2008 (because they are similar to certificates made in that time). This particular certificate was not picked up by Tinubu, this is why it was in their possession.

There are 3 certificates in question here.

1) The original 1979 certificate which was also issued in 1979. That certificate was picked up by Tinubu hence the school no longer have a copy. Tinubu misplaced that certificate. So Tinubu as well doesn't have it anymore.

2) The reordered certificate given to INEC which is dated June 22nd 1979 but was likely issued around 1998 or 1999 (because it is similar to CSU certificates from that time).

3) Another certificate which Tinubu reordered most likely around 2003-2008 dated June 27th 1979.

This last one (no 3 above) was not picked up by Tinubu and was in the school's possession. This is what they also gave to Atiku and his friend Enahoro which they used to compare the INEC certificate.

bentenny:
I have sighted it at a previous comment but here it is below....!
Check from 15 to 24

For God's sake, read what you posted.

The June 27th result is what was not picked up not the June 22nd result.

I have told you, read the deposition again, this time pay attention to details.

bentenny:
The deposition never stated what you had highlighted previously!

You can read it again for yourself!
Secondly, its also obvious that you also misunderstood and read the writeup based on the opinions and lens of BBC Africa!
If you check an earlier page,you would see when the registrar admitted on oath that there was actually a June 22 1979 diploma that was never picked up until Hayes,in a bid to coverup,told the registrar that there was no copy of the 1979 diploma!
This is clearly double speak and simply proved they were hiding the fact that Tinubu never collected the reordered certificate and the one which is currently with INEC never emanated from CSU!

The deposition never stated what you had highlighted previously!

That's why I ask you to explain that part for me, still you can't because you have not read the deposition and I can say this now with confidence.

Secondly, its also obvious that you also misunderstood and read the writeup based on the opinions and lens of BBC Africa!

You are wrong on me reading BBC report before the deposition. Read my posts, including the ones of yesterday before the BBC report.

If you check an earlier page,you would see when the registrar admitted on oath that there was actually a June 22 1979 diploma that was never picked up until Hayes,in a bid to coverup,told the registrar that there was no copy of the 1979 diploma!

Show me where in the deposition the registrar claimed there was a June 22 1979 diploma that was never picked up.

bentenny:
The highlighted was the claim you made and I asked you to provide the page which you said was on page 29 and that page states absolutely nothing about the highlighted that you made!

Now let me bring you back to my question that you never answered..which date was written for the issuance of the Tinubu inec diploma certificate?

Since you don't know,I will show you the page where the CSU rep agreed that the inec diploma was issued in 1979

Page 37...concentrate on 1-5

Okay what do you understand by page 29, lines 1-9 since you say my understanding of that part of the deposition is wrong?

To your question again, it shows your misunderstanding. The certificate is dated 1979 (which is the graduation date and common to both Tinubu certificates presented) but it's a replacement certificate and not from 1979. Is that clear now?

Read lines 19 and 20 of page 40 in my attachment. Tell me if you spot the difference between "dated 1979" and "dated from 1979".

You can read a few lines before those lines 19 and 20 to get the context.

bentenny:
Since you read the entire deposition, can you point me to the page number where the highlighted was made?

Secondly,you haven't answered my question and you are also wrong!
The diploma that was requested by Tinubu is yet to be picked up and has no semblance with the inec diploma!
Pay attention to 18,20 and 22

On the bolded, read lines 1-9 in my attachment. It is on page 29.

As to your question, I tell you again you are mixing things up. This point you raised up would not be put out by someone who understands the deposition. If you can't read the deposition, read that BBC report, it clarifies the point you.made.
The certificate that was not picked up is the one reordered from around 2003 and it is called the June 27th 1979 certificate.

bentenny:
Which year was stated on the certificate he issued to inec issued?
Secondly,the reordered certificate requested from Tinubu is yet to be picked by him according to the CSU representative in the deposition!
Secondly,you still haven't answered my second question.....how can you know or differentiate between a forged document or certificate from an original!

This clearly shows you've not read the deposition. Go and read it again first then compare side by side with the BBC report.

If you read the deposition, you would know that the school made it clear that whenever you reorder a certificate, you get thesame format of the certificate in the year you reordered it not necessarily when you graduated. Thesame logo and font used by the school in that year and signed by the present registrar of the school.

As to your second question, the school compared Tinubu's INEC certificate to 1999 copies and they match.

bentenny:
Check the deposition page 40 and 41 where the CSU rep clearly stated that the inec diploma never emanated from CSU!
Concentrate on 19 and 23

Let me ask you a question.... What makes a certificate or document fake or forged?
Just a simple question!

Read 19 and 23 carefully again. Emphasis on 1979. Tinubu did not collect the INEC diploma in 1979. He already made it clear for decades now that he's lost the 1979 original.

bentenny:
The deposition shows that the inec diploma never emanated from CSU according to the representative!
The deposition also shows that there is no third party vendor involved but rather there is a form online that is filled to obtain the certificate or diploma!

Your first paragraph is wrong but the second paragraph is correct.
The deposition doesn't show that the INEC diploma never emanated from CSU and you cannot show me where it states that.

bentenny:
Please explain!

Okay give me what you think is your strongest line from those screenshots that makes you believe certificate was forged.
Just mention the line numbers you want me to read. Start with the strongest one you think I should look into first.

bentenny:
Anyone that has gone through the four walls of an institution doesn't need BBC or any medium to offer them an opinion!

Your screenshots supports BBC's point.

Feintline:
CSU under oath in court deny tinubu certificate. Tinubu did not contend with CSU in court

He runs to hire one "chigozie nwonwu" in bbc to do fact check.
Corn community is rejoicing at rubbish .

The Faster tinubu comes out to re-introduce himself clean and clear, the better for him and those related to him.

The damage of this forgery will affect generations.

CSU didn't deny the certificate. You've been fed lies. Read the deposition yourself.

ivandragon:
But the crux of the matter is the one of 1979...

What I can observe is CSU trying to provide a leeway for BAT while also protecting itself.

& I appreciate your efforts to put things in perspective, but like I said my grouse has not really been about CSU, but what came before.

No one has the one from 1979 anymore. Except we check what BAT submitted to Mobil and to INEC equivalent in 1992. Since CSU issued it to BAT in 1979, they have no copy again. Since BAT lost it while he was on exile between 1994 and 1998, BAT doesn't have it anymore.

When you lose your certificate and reorder, CSU issues to you a certificate in the present format of certificates not in the year you graduated.

Thanks for the intelligent and polite discussion.

ivandragon:
Yet, in line 22, the Registrar says he is not aware of the one submitted to INEC for the same period.


Like I have observed, your game plan seems to be to keep the focus on CSU & it's certificate. For me, it is a digression.

I am more interested in what came before...

Okay let's look at line 22. Read it carefully. Emphasis on 1979. INEC diploma was issued in 1999 not 1979.

tesppidd:
All the shots there show clearly that CSU disowned the certificate Tinubu submitted the to INEC.

Pay particular attention to the first screenshot and peruse carefully, dispassionately and objectively.


And I pray to God you don't come telling me about third parties,, lol.

Cus it's clear from the CSU deposition that CSU take third party products are their own, as "coming from them", as "issued by them"

But I think am done with this, let those who wish to continue to defend foul play and forgery which is clear as crystal, continue to do so!

I have read the first screenshot and I still don't see it. I rather would say you definitely have not read the deposition or you don't understand it and this is not your fault because it's not easy to read it while taking everything into context. I would explain to you more if you show me one line at a time.

ivandragon:
I believe you cut off the part that spoke about signatories.

That's why I told you to provide me yourself, so I can address what u are asking of directly. When you have it, show me.

ivandragon:
Again, let us assume, for the sake of reaching a common understanding that he submitted a 1999 certificate.

How come the inec document does not match the signatories who should have been in office at the time to sign them?

This is Tinubu's certificate in first screenshot and second screenshot are samples of 1998 and 1999 certificates.
My third screenshot is of CSU themselves confirming they are alike in line 12.

ivandragon:
I don't have time for that. You have read it, read from around page 63 -68.

Are you speaking of line 15?

ivandragon:
You are the one muddling things up & importing what was not said or recorded.

But let us assume you are right.

Since BAT didn't pick up the certificate in 2003, what did he submit to inec?

Wole/wale picked up the documents in June 2023... so what did BAT submit?

He submitted 1999 one to INEC

[quote author=tesppidd post=126325178][/quote]What lines do you want me to pay attention to?

ivandragon:
I don't have time for that. You have read it, read from around page 63 -68.

Okay give me a minute. I'll give you screenshot from those pages. I have a fair idea of where the misunderstanding is and it would have been easier if you provided the screenshot yourself.

ivandragon:
So when the CSU registrar was pointing out the differences in the inec document & the CSU registrar was affirming those differences, what was that?

When Liu was pointing out that the signatories in the inec document where not in office at the time & the CSU registrar affirmed, what was that?

Give me the screenshot for the bolded.