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mtis:
lets post the cribs first an we'll come later for that..i know this the stuff Nowe sister loves

Cheee. Estates. Both Nigeria n Kenya got beautiful estates n houses.
Hey my Naija brodas @arinzeejikonye n co. I think Kenya will beat Nigeria in beautiful estates, houses n buildings.**** dnt forget tourism is powerful in their country, hence a better aesthetic appeal on the path of Kenyans.

Heeeeyoo am back. Good to see that da insults n strong words have toned down

>>>> Lemme start by introducing u guys to some of Nigeria's fashion. Nigeria's fashion industry is really growing bigger by the day n i believe very soon we will start comparing with the likes of the new york fashion week>>>>
TayserMahiri, MtuMsuper, mtis, muafrika2, PissedYagami n co, pls i'd like to have an idea of Kenyan or east african fashion, i've never come across em before, tnks.

(Singing) men men men men men. Aaaaah (shudders).

Now the fight is switching to Kenya VS Ghana.

***It's so sad that we cannot have mature n intelligent discussions here**** am out.

NairobiWalker:
You realize it's only the crème de la crème of your videos that reach us here do you? Well, most of the crème de la crème are not shot in Naija or by Nigerians.

Naaah u are wrong!
'Mad over you' by Runtown was the number 1 hit in Africa for many weeks at the begining of this year before Davido's 'If' took over it. N it was shot in Lagos.

***Do u want me to list top Nigeria musics dominating the African charts that were shot in Nigeria?

NairobiWalker:
Eko Atlantic City - your biggest project, is being done by the Lebanese. Were it in Kenya your brothers wouldn't shut their mouths on how much foreigners own us. The only difference between Kenya and Nigeria in this case is that Kenya is a country where non Kenyans people can actually choose to stay.

Naaah, Eko atlantic is not the biggest project in Nigeria.
Abuja centenary city is bigger n costlier than it.

Muafrika2:
Aje - (she) should come
Nagharamia - am paying for the costs

Oooh, tnks

TayserMahiri:
The Tanzanian entertainment industry is not even comparable to kenya's. And its true, almost all Tanzanian music of good quality is produced either in kenya or S.A. And Nigerians as well produce a lot of their music in S.A due to their poor aesthetic appeal back home.

I will not agree with you on this, especially in the music industry.
Tanzania seems to have the best musics n musicians from East Africa. N, no majority of Nigerian music videos r shot in Naija.

sHOTdownHawk:
Simple common sense. India was colonised 200yrs be4 africa was partitioned in Berlin 1880s. They already had miles of railways because tee and spices were the best foreign earner for UK. Somewhere down the line, the british thought have intelligent slaves to be more valuable. For the french and the rest this was a no no. And thats why even in SA they were second class citizen. Better educated and so willingly to pls white ppl. Hell in SA they have more rich indians than blacks. Nigeria is to monotonous. They like going to other countries and shitting there. Chai.

Geeee! India colonized 200 yrs b4 Africa? Are you sure you know whatyu saying?
The last time i checked, India gained independence in the 40's while most of Africa in the 60s n 70s.

Nigeria being monolithic is not our fault. West Africa is monolithic! Probably colonial masters found west Africans to be too hardworking n civilzed to import Indians in our midst
N west africans r very cultural. Foreigners can hardly fit into our midst.

NairobiWalker:
Foreigners don't have Financial Influence and domination in Kenya. There are just many of them in high end neighborhoods where they either work for the UN or a multinational headquarter. These mostly play a consumer part in the country.

Kk.

TayserMahiri:
I heard Lebanese are many there and do great business. Did you chase them? I know anything is possible in the land of oil
You can call me what makes you happy. It seems 'young lady' never went down well with your digestion.

Yaaah, Lebanese used to be many in Nigeria, buh most of them have left long ago. Many whites n lebanese settled in Jos city due to the cooler plateau climate there. Buh i think Nigeria is just too populated for anyone to notice the presence of non -africans.

****The Nigerian economy n culture has so much competition that makes it practically impossible for foreigners to survive in Nigeria, let alone being noticed.

TayserMahiri:
Nigerian and Ghanaian accent are similar to me. Kenyans who watch west african movies think Ghanaian movies are Nigerian.

Wooo. Exactly how most Nigerians will not be able to differentiate Ugandan n Kenyan accents.

Muafrika2:
Indians do have some business ventures. They are descendants of the Indian lower caste that were brought to work on the railway and afterwards, the colonial government allowed them to start small businesses which at the beginning were just simple Kiosks selling basic stuff.

The colonial government treated them as second class citizens (the Arabs were treated as the third class and the Africans as the fourth class, which referred to privilege like, Africans were not allowed in the city unless with a pass for a specific purpose) Indians had a designated residential area too, and most still remain there, hence the perception of dorminance in parklands estates by people like random number. They also had shops in Nairobi downtown (where Africans streets like river road were located), most of whose leases have ended and ownership shifted to mostly Kikuyu business men.

Europeans were given Karen. Karen land ownership is now mostly African. The biggest land owner there is the Catholic Church of Kenya.

That takes care of the two races.

Africans as previously stated were not allowed in the city. Those that had passes had "special", lower grade streets provided for them. They were also restricted to menial jobs. Africans got into the city after independence in 1963. By that time, the Indian investments (they actively participated in the struggle for independence and used their advantage to avail resources that were helpful in the fight.)

One of the first things the African government did when it came to power was to build houses in the city for Africans, especially government workers. So it built Buru Buru, Umoja, Jericho, Uhuru etc (mostly East lands Estates) That is why you'll find most Kenyan Africans in those areas.

With time, as Africans finally got into business and took over government, private estates and houses started coming up in all areas on Nairobi. Places like where Naijalander leaves are in East lands privately developed flats. There are many of those in East lands. The flats are owned by Africans. So Naijalander and random number were paying rent to a kenyan African and come here to say we are dominated by foreigners.

I'd say the richest group of people in Kenya are Kikuyus. They bought most of the land from white settlers at independence and used them to take loans and estsblished big businesses. They control the vegetable export, hospitality industry, the government etc.

Somalis are trying too. They are just as hardworking. Their family structures makes financial support for serious business ventures easily available. They will be found mostly in Eastleigh, where the British put them after they petitioned the colonial government to be graded as Indians. It's a mixed estate with other Kenyan Africans making the majority.

Kk. Tnks 4d clarification

Buh i usually wonder, why did East n Southern Africans have issues with Indian labourers n white settlements during the colonial period, buh west Africans never had?

N why where Indians given a higher status over Arabs? What was the rationale?

How about the swahilis? Were they counted as Indians, arabs or Blacks?

Did the somalis get the right to be classified as Indians?

How come the kikuyus seemingly outsmarted other black Kenyans to quickly obtain lands? Are they the original natives of Nairobi?

Do u think Ugandans n Zimbabweans were right for sending away the whites n Indians away from their countries at Independence?

(pls dont mind my too many questions, m such an inquisitive person)

TayserMahiri:
Ignorance is not my thing, Intelligent talk is my aphrodisiac! How did you not know they were equally kenyan citizens? Are there no nigerian 'white' people? Get serious
I called you young coz you're young. I am not even anywhere close to 40

Nah, there are hardly any white Nigerian citizens. Even if there are, they are too insignificant to be noticed.

So, would it be okay if i call you 'young guy'?

vaxx:
reccomend a list of nigeria historical movie for me. am not interested in romantic movie

Well, apart from the Invasion movie about the Bini kingdom, these r the only 3 other historical 1st grade Nigerian movies that i know of.

The first 2 are about the Nigerian civil war while the 3rd was about the Niger-delta crisis. Wonderful movies!

TayserMahiri:
Foreigners having Financial domination in KEnya! Which foreigners? Young lady, those whites you see are either kenyans, or people working for the various international organizations. Our constitution allows dual citizenship and many foreigners are opting to be kenyans now more than ever! The fact that white people can be seen in many nairobi streets and surburbs does not make them dominant. They are just conspicuous! If Nigerians were white, you would be concluding that nigerians dominate kenya simply because they are in every corner. Foreigners don't dominate kenya, just go through this thread, preferably starting from page 1 because you clearly never went through the thread and you are now taking us back.

Daaay, u sound really pissed off. I'm sorry if i had said something wrong.
I have gotten the point. I never knew that most of the whites n Indians were equally kenyan citizens.

****Buh you called me young lady? Hoo, how old are you? Are you up to 40 years old? It'd be important if i had an idea so maybe i don't overstep my boundaries by thinking am conversing with an age mate****

Nowenuse:
TayserMahiri's excuse of a large Nigerian market is just one excuse Kenyans use to excuse their poor entertainment industry.
Ghanaians produce movies with as much quality as the best movies in Nigeria. Tanzanians produce musicians and music videos with as much quality as the best in Nigeria, only that of course, Nigeria will always outnumber them in volumes.

Seems like you are a fan of Tanzanian music? I am also a very big fan too. Right now, after Nigeria and South Africa, Tanzanians have the best musicians and music videos in Africa. Infact i even think Tanzanians are better than the South Africans.

Did you follow the last Mtv music awards (both Africa and Europe)? Imagine that Tanzanian Alikiba won Nigerian wizkid to best African artiste. Even though wizkid was announced the winner in the original award show, the mistake was corrected later and the award revoked from Wizkid and given to Alikiba.
In the female category, Tanzanian Vanessa mdee was also among head to head in the nominations against Nigerian Yemi alde and Tiwa savage.
Tanzanian Diamond platnumz was also among the nominees for best African artiste of the year.
In the whole awards, only Sauti sol was represented for Kenya and cool they managed to win the award for the best collabo (which featured Alikiba).

I love and admire Tanzanian artistes with a passion and i have at least a dozen of their musics on my playlist.

Check out this new Tanzanian music by Taygrin and Vanessa mdee. So cool, you can never see a video/music of such quality and style from Kenya.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8qhbfeaRMY

Oooh my, yaah i love Tanzanian musics wella.
I did follow the Mtv awards and i admired the Tanzanian representations. They r doing pretty well.

Yap, i have come across this video and i really admire that Tay grin of a guy, very talented n looks cute
I think there is a song he did with Tu face.
If he continues like this, he will really be big in Africa.
Where is fanficgirl, are you a fan of Tanzanian music?

For me, my biggest Tanzanian artiste and crush remains Alikiba such a handsome dude. I have no idea of what he sings in swahili buh i just love the melody n rhythm like these 2 songs Aje n Nagharamia. Infact i may learn swahili because of his music.
Pls can any of you guys help me with the meaning of 'Aje n Nagharamia'? @muafrika2, Pissedyagami, Taysermahiri


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecywDEswXsI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlCNsPN91s0

PissedYagami:
Kenya has man UN offices so there are averagely more foreigners(whites) than any other African country, say apart from South Africa. Also Kenya has a lot of tourists, so you will find a lot of non blacks when you walk on the streets but thats just that. Whites do not control the Kenyan economy. There is a sizeable number of Kenyan whites but they are mostly farmers or just exist like normal Kenyans. And yes they are Kenyan and feel Kenyan, so dont try to be a racist cunt. Some have been here since the 1800s so they are 100% African. Kenya is also a civilised African country and people dont have backward racist mindsets. Kenya does receive a sizeable number of immigrants mostly from Italy, so there is a growing number of Kenyan Italians, mostly at the coast, but most of them just love the country. There are some others who come from other countries like Norway, Canada etc and settle here. Its a nice country we welcome all. No one in their right mind would immigrate to Nigeria tbh
Yes Indians are in Kenya and they are not foreigners, actually they are Kenyan Asians because not everyone who looks Indian is from India, there are also Pakis . They do not have much influence of Kenyan cities, Blacks are the majority in Kenya and have the most influence. There are many malls here, and people you will see there are blacks, meaning they can afford and they are not as hopeless as 6868 tries to portray here.
Kenya is mostly black controlled,
And yes the most patriotic Kenyan song was sang by him. so dont try to be racist. Calling a person foreigner just because he is not black african is not cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBmu0BPYfkI

Kk. Good explanation

ππ It's a good thing that some of these whites n Indians are also citizens. Don't mind we west Africans. We are not just used to sharing the same country with people of other racial backgrounds. Hence our pre-conceived mindsets of a 100% black african entity.

It's not a Nigerian thing, it's a west African thing. Apart from Cape Verde which was a country founded by black labourers & white masters, no other west African country had a history of white, Indian or Arab settlements. Nuuh we don't. Xcept maybe Mauritania (and they don't even consider themselves west africans)

I have checked the list of richest Kenyans as someone told me to and i found out the Indian influence or economic power is so true
Can u say anything about this?

9jakool:
I enjoy reading your links and you do have a good points.

Yes, I visited your links. What did i gained from this? I reinfirmed the notion that Tiv expanded from Swem hills in Cameroon. The Congo evidence is not widely supported. Out of the plethora of authors, only a very few confirmed that they asre indeed fom Congo. "Abraham (1934: 5) concluded that the Tiv were “real Bantu” suggested that Tivs migrated from Congo." Abraham based his description by selecting 67 Tiv words that he thought sound similar to Nyaza of Congo. Notice the use of "real bantu". The theory that they came from Cameroon is more supportred by their oral and archeology tyraditions than the theory that they came from Congo. Also Congo is a huge place stretching from Southern africa to Northern Africa and to Eastern Africa. The language he was referencing is spoken in a region all the way South near Zambia. The Congo evidence is so narrow and it's not as supported. Even this similarity does not change the fact that they are Bantoid. Bantoid languages have narrow similarities with Bantu, I've already established that. This is already touched on by Muafrika2. But they are classified as Bantoid and not Bantu by scientists for a reason right?


I completely get it. Personally, that story of "Tivization" is very similar to "Hausanization" currently going on.


It's fine.

Kk.
Buh i think you sometimes speak with so much authority on historical issues. Are you a professor?

As much as only a few people have established the Tiv origin from Congo, no one has come out to disprove them either. A white historian established it in the 30's and some few Tiv professors have also supported this with their research. As of today, this is the predominant school of thought among Tivs. So, really, who are we to question them about what they choose to accept about themselves?

Muafrika2 has listened to your video on Tiv language and you can see that apparently he could pick some words from the video (which i believe to be correct). I don't know of any Tiv person on nairaland who i can tag to confirm, i will try to ask some tiv friends of mine to confirm when i have the chance. Perhaps MtuMsuper n others will give a try.

Languages classified as 'oid' of another language does not necesarily mean that they will have same counting words or so many similar words. The similar words may be as few as 10% and only exist in a section of the vocabulary which you may not know. Imfact, the vocabulary may be almost 100% different buh the structure n lexicon of the language remains the same. The linguists who carried out these classifications were professionals who definitely used many criteria to judge.

Take for instance, there are languages like Alago n others in Nasarawa state that are classified as Idomoid languages buh i have asked my mother n others who speak Idoma well (cos i sadly don't ) and they asserted that some of these so called Idomoid languages are no longer understood at all by Idomas. The languages have so diverged that the best an Idoma speaker can do is pick 1 or 2 words when those languages are spoken. And u can imagine that Idomas n these Idomoid ethnic groups are still even close to each other geographically.

Now, u can't compare Tivs who are the farthest away west of the Bantoid speakers with Bantu languages as far as Kenya. I think you should instead try comparing Bantoid n Bantu languages in Cameroon who are immediate neighbours and i believe you will be shocked at the similarities you would find.

****Personally, i think Bantoid speakers are the closest relatives/representatives of the Bantus at the period the Bantu expansion started. They must have decided to move westwards and definitely intermixed with other neighbouring aboriginal groups which probably diluted their bantu features to an extent leaving them as BANTOID****

PissedYagami:
They are marginalised. Actually Ethiopia is somewhere up there with North Korea when it comes to human rights.

Holly how can they be marginalized when they have the Prime minister? It makes no sense.
I think they used to be marginalized buh it has changed to some extent.

arinzeejikonye:
Ogun is the gateway state to Lagos, she has overtaken lagos in industrialization and is the mining capital of Nigeria.

This is one of the foreign direct investment drive, becoming a reality.


It was opened last week for operations, the produce toiletries, sanitary pads, pampers, etc

Yeee. M so proud of em
I wish many more states can adopt these initiatives. Nigeria can be industrialized. I can't wait to establish my own industry in the next few years

arinzeejikonye:
Sorry took so long,
1.ondo golf club
2. Ibrahim badamosi babangida international golf course/club Abuja.
3. Le meridian golf course akwaibom,
4.ogun golf club.

I never knew. Tnks They look so cool.
Are they all privately owned?

CocoMilian:
Hahaha They can't bite you or anything but their tongue is a bit hard so ull feel weird or ticklish

Interesting

More super 1st class Nigerian movies to try

I believe Nigerian movies will soon conquer the world just like Hollywood

TayserMahiri:
Kenyans can laugh at the Ugandan accent all day. They arent similar even a bit. You should listen to Museveni speaking and compare to Uhuru Kenyatta or Raila Odinga speaking.

lol. Kk if u say so.
Can u easily differentiate Nigerian, Ghanaian n Cameroonian english accents?

TayserMahiri:
I guess for a Nigerian its not easy for you to understand what having a UN Headquarter in a city means!

does this justify foreigners having so much financial influence and domination?

vaxx:
oyinbo will be credited to yoruba.and igbo. consider igbo and yoruba arguement. look at this example for yoruba. o yin bo. you peel it off. Just to express how white men look why igbo may argue oyin is their word. Take a look at these . Oyin yoruba ,oyin igbo ,oyin hausa.

Kk, if u say so

Isahalbash:
I grasp d Yoruba part, but d igbo part do not correlate at all. d guy's explanation on dat thread was vague. Is wahala really Arabic?

Kk. Buh u don't speak igbo, do you? So, it may be easier for u to grasp the yoruba part since u grew up on yoruba soil.
Do u speak yoruba?

yaah, apparently Wahala is believed to be of arabic origin from the arabic word WAH'L

9jakool:
No, I have no interest. I'm basing my conclusion directly off of science and oral history.

Kwararafa was a 16th century confederacy of ethnic groups in the Benue-Taraba region. Most cross river people do not come from Kwararafa, unless the few from the border. Cross river groups like Ejagham are closer linguistically to Tivs and they speak closely related language. How come the Ejagham aren't from Congo. Let me go further. In fact, according to linguistic evidence a long time ago the Ejagham and the Tivs once spoke the same language known as Southern Bantoid. Ejagham are very ancient West African people that invented one if the few indigenous writing system on the continent dating as far back as 2,000 YEARS ago. Have you ever heard of the Ikom monoliths. Bantu groups didn't migrate from Congo, It's the other way around since Bantu migrated from the border of Nigeria and Cameroon to the rest of Africa. Scientists have documented a lot of evidence for the bantu migration from the edge of West Africa to the rest of Africa which we know as The Great Bantu migration/expansion. No such documentation of Bantu migration from Congo back to Nigeria exists. Again, I'm aware the Tivs were expansionists based on their origin.

You and I are not Tivs. I also study the history of this people, especially linguistics.

The bolded would be false based on your theory. Kwararafa exists somewhere around 16th century. If the Tiv came after Kwararafa, then that means the Tiv population is very recent and their language would still be very close to other Bantu languages, especially from Congo that the supposedly came from. Bantu expansion occurred thousands of years ago and even after thousands of years later, Bantu languages have many similarities with each other. This can be best demonstrated with their number system.
Linguistic evidence
Take for example, Kikuyu language from Kenya with the counting system from 1-10:
Ĩmwe, Igĩrĩ, Ithatũ, Inya, Ithano, Ithathatũ Mũgwanja, Inyanya, Kenda, Ikũmi. Notice the similarity with another language county system.

This is Zulu in South Africa, 4 thousands kilometers away:
kunye, kubili, kuthathu, kune, kuhlanu, isithupha, isikhombisa, isishiyagalombili, isishiyagalolunye, ishumi.

In Congo, the apparent Tiv homeland, the Kikongo counting system are: moosi, zoole, tatu, ya, taanu, saambanu, ntsambwaadi, naana, vwe/vwa, kuumi.

In Tiv language: the numerical system are: mom, uhwa, utaa, unyii, utaan, aterata, utankaauhwa, anieni, utankwunyi, pue.


See, even Bantu languages that have been separated for millennia share more in common with each other, than Tiv which relatively recently migrated from Congo the fall of Kwarafa according to you. Can you find me a language in Congo that's very similar to Tiv?

See the multiple similarities in Bantu languages. Also in many bantu languages, the word for people is "bantu." This isn't the case for Tiv which lacks that terminology. Researchers classified Tiv and some surrounding languages as Bantoid not Bantu. Bantoid languages are close to Bantu languages, they are not the same necessarily. In

Archaeology and Historic evidence
*Tiv claim descendant from an ancestor named Tiv who had two progenitor sons; Chongo and Pusu.
Tiv claim they originate from a hillly/mountainous area known as Swem, before settling at the Benue valley.


"Archaeological researches conducted on abandoned settlement sites in Tivland particularly the hilltop settlement sites have also been useful in the search for Tiv origin and migrations. These researches seem to support the assertion by Tiv oral traditions that, the Tiv inhabited the hilltops as they migrated from Swem into the Benue Valley of Nigeria. The migration from Swem according to oral traditions was sparked in part, by conflict with other tribes (Akiga 1939, Makar 1975, Gbor 1978) and the hilltops provided the needed protection from their enemies as they were pursued into the Benue Valley. Archaeological and ethno archaeological works conducted by scholars such as Andah 1983, Folorunso 1989, Ogundele 1993, Gundu 1999, Ndera 2009, and Chia 2014 have associated the hilltop settlements in Tivland today with the Tiv."

This hilltop settlements predate Kwararafa as archeologists found Tiv pottery and tools evidence dating back to the 1400s.

"Having examined the evidence available for Tiv origin and migrations from different sources, it seems the notion of a Tiv migration from somewhere around the Nigeria- Cameroon border into the Benue Valley of Nigeria is not in doubt again."



A lot of ethnic groups in Nigeria are expansionists, Igala, Nupe, Yoruba, Ijaw, Hausa, Ebira and Fulani are all expansionists, but does that make them Bantu languages? It's true that Tiv as Bantoid does feature some similarities with Bantu, but they are not necessarily the same.

Again don't get me wrong, my point all along is still that Tiv is Bantoid, because it's the factual classification and as such the closest groups to Bantu languages. Tivs are similar to other Bantoid groups found in Cameroon as well. In Cameroon, there is a distinction, as well as a bond between Bantu-speaking ethnic groups and Bantoid ethnic groups with each accounting for around a third of the population.
I hope this helps.

Research Info from:
Richard Terungwa Chia
Department of Archaeology,
Ahmadu Bello University,
Zaria, Nigeria.

Below is a map of the language classification. Look at the Southern boarder between Cameroon and Nigeria. The dark and light orange represents Bantoid languages. The brown represents Bantu languages.

Underneath are the original abandoned ancient Tiv hill settlements uncovered by archaeologists.

Cc MtuMsuper, nowenuse, muafrika2

I love your explanations 9jakool buh please can you try to put some summariness? Thanks.

First of all, in response to your second paragraph or first point, i'd like you to know that a good number of ethnic groups in Cross river north n maybe central do share Kwararafa origins e.g the Yalas, yaches, bekwarras, obubra n obanliku e.t.c.
There was a time a few years ago that traditional rulers from Cross river and other states of Nigeria went to Wukari to meet the Aku-Uka n confer their rightful ancestry to his kingdom.
Check the link below to confirm, the 2nd paragraph of the 1st page.

http://www.academia.edu/7007449/Origin_of_Kwararafa_Kingdom


Before i throw in a few explanations about the Tivs, i'd like you to read this link very well.

http://naijasky.com/benue-state/19/history-of-tiv-people/9455/

After reading this link, i don't think we need much explanations or arguments again to understand where you and i are missing it.

I was missing the fact that even though Tivs came from Congo, they did not come to Benue region of Nigeria immediately, they settled at the swem hills in present day Cameroon until it became overpopulated for them before they came to Benue, Central Nigeria and displaced we the kwararafan tribes.
You are missing the fact that they possibly came from somewhere before arriving the swem hills (in present day Cameroon).

Another point we are having a misunderstanding is the issue of Tiv expansion and their expansionist nature.
It's unfortunate that you don't understand my explanation of Tiv expansion, that was why you were comparing Tiv expansion to Igala, Nupe, Edo or Yoruba expansion.
Hope you know that there are over a million Tivs in Nasarawa n Taraba states? Buh the Tivs in these states are not regarded or recognized as Indigenes by the other ethnic grouops in these states because these people all knew when the Tivs arrived.
We in Benue don't have such audacity because the Tivs are the majority here and their settlements in Benue are definitely older than those in neighbouring Nasarawa n Taraba states.
Tivs are/used to be the kind of people who will come to your community in peace looking for farmlands and once you have given them it is finished, they have the highest birth rate of any tribe in Nigeria or even Africa and multiply so fast. Within a short time they have already outnumbered you in your community and before your people can say jack, they have already had more settlements surrounding your community and if you try to fight them, you are most likely to loose the fight due to their large numbers. This was how they displaced most Kwararafan tribes and are still displacing us till date (only that civilization n education has reduced it to an extent).

This is the reason why you find Benue river Jukun n Etulo (Idoma speaking tribe) communities in the heart of Tiv land in Benue state, completely enclaved by Tiv communities. During the height of Tiv expansion when they displaced Kwararafan tribes, some like the Etulo n River Benue jukuns (who are mostly fisher people) and probably thought they could not do without the River Benue stayed behind, and this was how they were enclaved and cut off away from their linguistic sibblings. Today, most of them have adopted Tiv language, culture n identity and it's just a matter of few decades for them to be completely Tiv-ized.


If you want to study the history of a tribe, especially through the oral means. Another good way you can do it is by asking the neighbouring tribes of that ethnic group to give you some oral accounts about their neighbours.
I will try to find some online documents featuring oral accounts from Idomas, Jukuns, Agatus, Igedes, Alagos and all other ethnic groups neighbouring the Tivs.
Buh being from this area, i have had first hand oral history info from my own tribe and other neighbouring Kwararafan tribes on the Tivs and it is exactly the same story from every quarters about the Tivs being expansionists who came to their lands not too long ago.
If you want to confirm this, pls feel free to befriend any person from an ethnic group of Kwararafan descent in Taraba, Benue, Nasarawa or Cross river state.
Thanks.

***It's unfortunate i accused your post of being too lengthy, while mine is no different . I apologize****

TayserMahiri:
Kenyans can laugh at the Ugandan accent all day. They arent similar even a bit. You should listen to Museveni speaking and compare to Uhuru Kenyatta or Raila Odinga speaking.

.

vaxx:
It continue. Ghana casket with style

Coool, i admire the artistic designs of these Ghanaian caskets. I've watched a documentary on their making, buh i don't know why i find it really absurd n ridiculous.

~~What's really the rationale behind it? I can't imagine burying my mother in a coke bottle when she ages n die.

arinzeejikonye:
New hayat $100million health industry ogun

great, can u enlighten me a little about this?

arinzeejikonye:
Nigeria

Which place is this in Nigeria?