₦airaland Forum

adesojiaderemi@:
Infact, this thread is becoming more interesting,how I wish we can have a video chat on this forum to see people's face.

What about skyping? I need to see the foreheads of my friends and opponent. Lol!

Kemzone2003: @monsieursam64....I am sincerely very sorry...didnt mean to run anyone down..it was a slip of the keyboard

Lol!

Kemzone2003: @Gentiger....U sef exagerate the whole Affidavit thing sef...No be only 1 factor them dey use determine public charge.
But We are only here to provide information,individuals must take responsibility for whatever action they take....not Nairaland oooo

If someone have a sickness based on their medical result that require long term treatment...they might want to play safe by requesting for affidavit of support...No 2 cases are the same...Thats from my own small knowledge ooo

My dear, we are all here as reporters. If I see anything that will be of help to others, I won't hesitate to disclose no matter how absurd it sounds. I may get knocks from here and there but on the long run someone learns something vital and averts a regrettable outcome. Thanks once again for the exposition even though it wouldnt stop me from processing One.

Kemzone2003: MR GENTIGER...THE BIBLE SAYS INVESTIGATE ALL ISSUES AND THEN HOLD ON TO THE ONE WHICH IS THE TRUTH.....

See below additional information for you...http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/denials/denials_1361.html

1.Why was I refused under INA section 212(a)(4)? What is meant by “public charge”?

Visa applicants need to satisfy this provision of law by demonstrating proof of adequate financial support in the United States. A visa refusal, or ineligibility, under section 212(a)(4) of the INA means that the consular officer determined that you are likely to become a public charge in the United States. Public charge means that the consular officer determined that you are likely to become primarily dependent on the U.S. government for your existence and financial support in the United States.

2.Is a refusal under section 212(a)(4) permanent?

A refusal, or ineligibility, under section 212(a)(4) can be overcome in certain circumstances, as explained below.

Immigrants - Most immigrant visa applicants are required to submit an Affidavit of Support (Form I-864, I-864A, I-864W, or I-864EZ, as applicable) from the U.S. sponsors who filed petitions for them. If your U.S. sponsor does not meet the requirements of the Affidavit of Support, you may present a second Affidavit of Support from a qualifying joint sponsor. Learn more about the Affidavit of Support.

Some categories of immigrant visa applicants are not required to have Affidavits of Support. These are categories where no U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident relative filed a petition on your behalf, including most employment-based immigrants and diversity visa (DV) applicants.

If you are applying for an immigrant visa category where the Affidavit of Support Form is not required, the following are examples of how you could demonstrate to the consular officer that you will have financial support in the United States:

•Your own personal funds;
•A job offer in the United States; and/or
•Sponsorship from a U.S. resident.

Examples of sponsorship from a U.S. resident include:

•A letter from the U.S. resident stating financial support of you while in the United States;
•Documents showing that the U.S. resident can financially support you, such as bank statements or pay stubs; and/or
•An Affidavit of Support (Form I-134).

The consular officer will review the additional evidence of financial support you submit to determine whether it is sufficient to overcome your ineligibility under section 212(a)(4).

In order to overcome a denial for public charge reasons, you must demonstrate you will have sufficient financial support in the United States. The consular officer will review the additional evidence you submit to determine whether it is sufficient to overcome your ineligibility under section 212(a)(4).

Thanks for your matured approach. I appreciate.

Leripa: ...hmnnn, too many confusions on here. But take it or leave it, I have read every info on immigrant visa back & forth. For me, I'm not gonna bother myself on affhdavit of support or whatever & i'm gonna come out successful with my interview. Lest I forget, i called a DV 2012 winner who is now in US on affidavit of support and he disagreed with me. In short, i can't shout jare....shikena!!

Leripa, it's just a question I asked citing someones recent experience. I never said you needed it even though I am processing it for my application to forestall any upsets. Goodluck!

Kemzone2003: MR GENTIGER...THE BIBLE SAYS INVESTIGATE ALL ISSUES AND THEN HOLD ON TO THE ONE WHICH IS THE TRUTH.....

See below additional information for you...http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/denials/denials_1361.html

1.Why was I refused under INA section 212(a)(4)? What is meant by “public charge”?

Visa applicants need to satisfy this provision of law by demonstrating proof of adequate financial support in the United States. A visa refusal, or ineligibility, under section 212(a)(4) of the INA means that the consular officer determined that you are likely to become a public charge in the United States. Public charge means that the consular officer determined that you are likely to become primarily dependent on the U.S. government for your existence and financial support in the United States.

2.Is a refusal under section 212(a)(4) permanent?

A refusal, or ineligibility, under section 212(a)(4) can be overcome in certain circumstances, as explained below.

Immigrants - Most immigrant visa applicants are required to submit an Affidavit of Support (Form I-864, I-864A, I-864W, or I-864EZ, as applicable) from the U.S. sponsors who filed petitions for them. If your U.S. sponsor does not meet the requirements of the Affidavit of Support, you may present a second Affidavit of Support from a qualifying joint sponsor. Learn more about the Affidavit of Support.

Some categories of immigrant visa applicants are not required to have Affidavits of Support. These are categories where no U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident relative filed a petition on your behalf, including most employment-based immigrants and diversity visa (DV) applicants.

If you are applying for an immigrant visa category where the Affidavit of Support Form is not required, the following are examples of how you could demonstrate to the consular officer that you will have financial support in the United States:

•Your own personal funds;
•A job offer in the United States; and/or
•Sponsorship from a U.S. resident.

Examples of sponsorship from a U.S. resident include:

•A letter from the U.S. resident stating financial support of you while in the United States;
•Documents showing that the U.S. resident can financially support you, such as bank statements or pay stubs; and/or
•An Affidavit of Support (Form I-134).

The consular officer will review the additional evidence of financial support you submit to determine whether it is sufficient to overcome your ineligibility under section 212(a)(4).

In order to overcome a denial for public charge reasons, you must demonstrate you will have sufficient financial support in the United States. The consular officer will review the additional evidence you submit to determine whether it is sufficient to overcome your ineligibility under section 212(a)(4).

Thanks Kemzone2003. I like the way you took out time to dig deep into the matter thus eliminating elements of doubts. Your presentation was matured unlike some other individuals that will run you down and classify you as misleading others. God bless you.

adesojiaderemi@:
People tell lies,they will never tell the true story,...affidavit of support? I bet only very few people will release that to you. It was rumored last year too,they never asked from people or denied dv applicant because of that.

OK!

Kemzone2003: @Gentiger...DONT MIX IT UP PLS

on the selectee instructions...There is no mention of that requirements...so u are not expected to have it at your interview...iF THE CO needs it...He will only request for it and schedule another interview date for you to go and get it from your sponsor.

U will not be denied for additional information required just like family picture and other proof of family relationship.It will just delay the issuance of the VISA...The Only thing that will expressly disqualify you is the Academic and Experience requirement.

OK!

ferdiii: Do you know if he was for DV? No proof of funds for that category in Nigeria.

His application was DV 2012 interview. I repeat, it was DV 2012 lottery interview. Visa rejected on the grounds of Public Charge. Inadequate proof of funds.

Kemzone2003: THIS IS NOT A GENERAL RULE BUT AT THE POWER OF THE CONSULAR OFFICER IF HE FEELS THE PERSON MAY BECOME A PUBLIC CHARGE OR MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF HIS EXPENSES BEFORE HE CAN GET A JOB.THE MIGHT REQUIRES HIM TO PRODUCE I-134. BUT NOT I-864

Affidavit of Support General Information and Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)
Who needs an I-864 Affidavit of Support?

The following applicants for immigrant visas need an I-864:

•Most applicants in family-based immigrant visa categories
•Orphans to be adopted in the United States (IR-4)
•Applicants for employment-based immigrant visas whose relative filed the immigrant visa petition or whose relative has a five percent or greater ownership interest in the business that filed the petition

Do applicants who are applying for an immigrant visa in a visa category that does not require the I-864 Affidavit of Support, such as the diversity immigrant visa, need to meet the public charge provisions of Section 213A of the INA?

No. Consular officers will review immigrant visa applicants whose visa categories do not require the I-864 under the public charge guidelines in Section 212(a)(4) of the Immigration and Nationality Act. The applicants must show, however, that they will not become a public charge. A consular officer may ask for an I-134 Affidavit of Support and supporting documents.The Principal Applicant may need to show income at 100 percent of the federal poverty guidelines for household size, not the 125 percent requifred under Section 213A of the INA.

Should diversity (DV) or returning resident (SB) applicants use the I-864 or the I-134?

They should use the I-134. The I-864 can only be used in the specified categories (most family-based and certain employment-based cases). All other applicants must use the I-134 if an affidavit of support is needed. Applicants using the I-134 will need to show that their sponsor's income is 100 percent of federal poverty guidelines as required under Section 212(a)(4) of the INA.

What can be used as assets?

Assets can be savings, stocks, bonds and property. They must be easily converted to cash.

Can the immigrant visa applicant count assets that he or she owns that are outside the United States, such as real estate or personal property?

Yes, under these conditions:

•The assets must be readily convertible to cash within 12 months
•The applicant must show that he/she can take the money or assets out of the country where they are located. Many countries have strict regulations which limit the amount of cash or liquid assets that can be taken out of the country
•The assets equal at least five times the difference between the sponsor's income and 125 percent of the poverty line for the household size.

For Further Details Check
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-134instr.pdf

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-134.pdf

http://kabul.usembassy.gov/im_affidativ_support2.html

In other words, it's necessary to have one if the individual does not have an offer of employment or personal funds to support self.

Well like I said earlier, this DV applicant was denied on this ground. I strongly feel those going for interview should take particular note of this. It's at the discretion of the CO to ask or not. Goodluck all.

femsoj: clarification prove on affidavit of support copied from US site

Please do mail the embassy as Temmy directed. Please anyone else with useful information on this subject matter should come forward. Thanks to all.

femsoj: as for the issue of the affidavit of support,i got it from there site dat it is mandatory for all 2013 dv lottery winners to have it.u guys can confirm it from there site

Please could you kindly go a step further to post the link? I believe it will be beneficial to all those waiting for an interview date. This guy was bounced because he had no sufficient proof of funds and has never heard of an affidavit of support.

Bussyme: Proof of fund for dvlottery ?. Pls did he/she told you the trueth?.

He said they bounced him because of insufficient proof of funds. I asked him if he had any promised support from any legal resident or citizen, and he was shocked to hear that. He claimed not to have heard of affidavit of support until now. What I don't know is if he has someone in the US where he would have stayed on arrival.

adesojiaderemi@:
You dont need affidavit of support, no one is filling for you,it is "Tete Orire" Lottery.What you need is a contact address of a person living in united state.

Thanks Adesoji. I guess the guy had no one in the US I suppose.

Bussyme: Pls dont mislead us,nothing of such 4 dvlottery winners at embassy.

Here you go again. Mislead you? I asked a question seeking for sincere answers and you say you are being misled. Na wa for some people in this forum. I really don't understand some of you guys and your reasoning.

jidedon2000@yah:
Housemate am sorry 2 bring bk this issue of NPC Birth Certificate dt is causing a kind of conflicts.I collected my NPC Attestation of Birth @ NPC office surulere for 3k but was surprised when i collectd it the stuff was just typed of NPC Letter Head paper and my passport photo on it.As many that ve collectd is it d same wth what i described. NB. THE ATTESTATION WAS ALSO SIGNED AT THE BACK OF THE LETTER HEAD BY A.A.OWOLABI, STATE DIRECTOR

It looked so ordinary right? It appears like a document you can prepare at a roadside business centre. Well, may be you now understand why THEY advised you go further IF you WISH!

Please I need everyone to make an input here. A fellow got denied because he couldn't provide sufficient proof of funds and had no affidavit of support from a legal resident or citizen.

I have heard people say you don't need affidavit of support, Form 134 precisely. In line with this fellows experience, is it wise to tell people they don't need it? Don't you all think this little piece of document is very crucial?

Please I need everyone to make an input here. A fellow got denied because he couldn't provide sufficient proof of funds and had no affidavit of support from a legal resident or citizen.

I have heard people say you don't need affidavit of support, Form 134 precisely. In line with this fellows experience, is it wise to tell people they don't need it? Don't you all think this little piece of document is very crucial?

missannie: Thank once again, but does it mean that NPC will issue me a fake Attestation of Birth Document? @Gentiger. Why do i still need to Authenticate it
Can u pls give me the complete Address in Surulere. Thanks.

I don't know from which part of Lagos you're coming from.All you need do is find your way into Surulere. Tell any bike man in Surulere to take you to NPC Babs Animashaun street beside NYSC. It's very easy to locate. Please ask the government workers there anything you need clarification on. They will guide you like they guided me. Forget anything I ever said about authentication. Follow their directives in your interest. Goodluck.

cliford79: October 2012 case numbers out. guys how long will it be for the Asia case number as201300070xx to be current. October cut off for asia is 1900.

Thanks
Cliford.

To have an idea, cross check with last year Visa bulletin to see when the number in question became current. That will give you a clue.

cliford79: October 2012 case numbers out. guys how long will it be for the Asia case number as201300070xx to be current. October cut off for asia is 1900.

Thanks
Cliford.

To have an idea, cross check with last year Vida bulletin to see when the number in question became current. That will give you a clue.

vacancy: House, i am confused now after calling KCC as per my case changing d.o.b . i was informed that kcc will inform lagos embassy as per the case because the dsp 230 will be sent back to lagos embassy.is this the truth scenario?

YES! You got nothing to worry about. They will do as they said.

missannie: @ Kemzone2003, thanks for the briefing.
@Gentiger, thanks also for the clear illustration.
Okay!!! I get it now.

You're most welcome Missannie.

Kemzone2003: @Missaine
Lets not get this issue twisted...Authenticating in Abuja base on my understanding is not a must do...but a good to do idea.Why?

In Nigeria,The Fact that u get a document from the local goverment office or NPC office or someone claim to have secured it for you from NPC does not mean it originated through the normal process.

All this tout at different local govt..Thats their job...U might not even find some affidavit on government records sef...but somebody working closely with the Local Govt office will just type the letter and get it stamped and signed by anybody.

Lets close this Chapter..He is only a little bit more careful by suggesting u veryify or authenticate that all the document issue to you are properly documented in the relevant government records. because if for any reason the US Consulate decides to check and Cannot find the records...No matter how innocent you might be..They will Claim Forgery and hold you Liable.

Sory for the story...that was my contribution.

If only my friends here saw my good intentions rather than making me look like someone out to mislead people, all the past argument wouldn't have resulted. Let's learn to respect others inputs. Thanks my brother.

missannie: Not really NPC OFFICE but Lagos State High Court, when i went to do my change of name & i ask the same question there.
I was told that NPC certificate doesn't need to be Authenticated in Abuja, that's all.

& I now know that it can be done in any NPC office. Birth Certificate will be issued for persons born after 1992 , but for those born earlier will be issued Attestation of Birth. *NOTHING TO AUTHENTICATE*
The issue is NOT the address here; but the matter of one traveling to Abuja to Authenticate Sh***t (That's a BIG lie).
Stop misleading people here.

Dear Missanne, I genuinely respect your inputs and the roles you've played in this forum. But I think it's not too ideal to ask from a lawyer prescription for sickness. Ask a Doctor. If you need information on NPC and any matter thereto, pls do go to their office at Babs Animashaun street Surulere. You will be better informed. Thank you.

chiteny: Thanks @Tosmy

House, Please I need to know this, do I require dollar bills to pay the visa fee or naira? If naira what is the exact figure?
Thanks.

There have been cases where genuine Dollar bills were rejected by the embassy because of these funny stamps from Malams and defacement. If you don't have clean bills, pls do go with Naira equivalent.

brightmon: It seems this forum is now drifting.

There's only one problem we face here which is individuals trying to assume leadership position in a public forum. Go to other forums on DV lottery and see how individuals respect each others input and compliment rather than criticise it. Let's remind ourselves of why we're here. Seun is not paying salary for the best posts or most numbers of posts made. Lol!

missannie: For ur info am not a he but a she.
When i went to do a change of name @ High Court of Lagos State. Ikeja.
The building is located on Oba Akinjobi Street, opposite the Police College in G.R.A. Ikeja.
I told them about the NPC birth cer. & the stuff about sending it to Abuja to ''Authenticate It'' & they explained everything i need to know.

NPC at OBA Akinjobi street? Hmmmm!

missannie: Pls don't start again,
I went to NCP office in ikeja & they said nothing like sending any stuff to Abuja OR Authentication of any sort.

Pls authentication or no authentication is a matter that has been closed. I didn't bring it up. As long as people choose to call me anyother name aside from Gentiger, you don't blame me for the memories it brings. NCP has no office at Ikeja. Check your facts. We're all here to help and be helped. Let's stop running people down or creating disaffection amongst ourselves. Plsssssss!

adesojiaderemi@:
BASE ON MY HUMAN REASONING I THINK HE SHOULD BACK OFF,IT IS CLEARLY WRITTEN IN THE DV 2013 GUIDE THAT THEY WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY MISTAKE MADE BY YOUR AGENT OR ANY PERSON ACTING ON YOUR BEHALF.I ALSO READ IT ON ONE OF THE PRESS RELEASE BY US EMBASSY IN NIGERIA. BUT IF HE/SHE HAS SOME NONEY TO DICE WITH HE CAN GIVE IT A TRIAL.

That's not different from what I advised. We all learn from each other.

temmytanny: so whats your advice for the person?

You just got it from me.

adesojiaderemi@:
MY FRIEND HAD SAME EXPERIENCE LAST YEAR,HIS BROTHER ENTERED DV 2011 FOR HIM WITHOUT INDICATING THEIR THREE CHILDREN,MY FRIEND WAS ADVISED BY ONE OF THE AGENT ON THE TOP OF COCOA HOUSE IN IBADAN(I DONT WANT TO MENTION NAME) HE WAS DENIED BASED ON THAT MISTAKE AFTER SPENDIND A LOT OF MONEY.

Their policy on none disclosure of material facts is very clear. They are very strict in enforcing it. It's better they save the cash for better things.