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Gabrielshow24:
Sarcasm🥱.

Kindly tell us who created time? Use your usual, ’cartoonist analogy’🤧

if you want me to answer a question I asked you, why not humbly ask by telling us you do not know or tell us you kno

You can be honest abi

LoneSoldier:
Ever since you came to this world, how many times have you been hearing christians talking about how the world is going to come to an end?

Just be straight, how many times?

well a number of them do say so, but why should anyone be bothered if the world ends. Scientists also claim the world will end one day, other religions and believes as well. But does it matter if the world ends, if it does today we die today if it does in 200years will anyone alive today live to see it.

does it matter if the world ends or not?

Gabrielshow wetin happen 😲 them ban you 😂 wetin you go type na 😁

LoneSoldier:
Just using it as an illustration, I can't be that lazy to believe that trash.

trash that the world will end one day? Or what?

Gabrielshow24:
You tell me, genius? 🤨

You might want to think deeply for this one😅

oh you think I am a genius wow 😲 😁

so you don't know who created time or to you time's self existing? 😏

LoneSoldier:
Joke aside is everything surrounding God real, is everything told to us in the bible real, have you come across anybody who have really seen Jesus and his disciples in real life, why preach a dillusional message to people when you know that most of what you preach is a myth.

Religion as we know it isn't real is just a folk tale, the most annoying part is the hell and heaven you peeps keep talking about, since the year 2000 I stopped going to church, when I concluded the ignorance of christians about heaven and hell bullshit. Its been 25 years now and no world has ended, the thing is how long are humans going to be living with lies and deceit from people who call themselves christians?

😂 "it's been 25yrs now and no world has ended" 🤣 bro who waits 25yrs for the world to end.

Gabrielshow24:
Maybe you should have taken the rest of scripture into account before making such a response.

As long as we, the sons of God, live in Him(Jesus) having Eternal life then he is our Eternal Father or to be specific as Isaiah puts it, Everlasting Father! —This implies a beginning🤨 but it's doesn't have an end.

While you are desperately trying to apply/conflate ’Eternal’ to/with ’Everlasting’ but the two has slight differences which reveal your mistake.

Now once more, tell me how your god is an eternal Father? note: ’not an Everlasting Father’

lol 🤣😹 this one here is arguing that eternal is not everlasting 😂

what does Paul say to such

2Tim.2.14 Remind [the people] of these facts and [solemnly] charge them in the presence of the Lord to avoid petty controversy over words, which does no good but upsets and undermines the faith of the hearers.

Petty, petty, arguing and quarrelling over words

1Tim.6.4 Anyone who teaches anything different is both conceited and ignorant. Such a person has an unhealthy desire to quibble over the meaning of words. This stirs up arguments ending in jealousy, fighting, slander, and evil suspicions.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Emusan:
Yes! Paul said that.



So answer my question, what did the Son do when God was creating the Universe?

Why are you dodging this question since?



You have your own Bible through Watchtower



That's why I showed you the meaning of arché

ORIGIN/SOURCE

Jesus is the ORIGIN/SOURCE of ALL CREATION.

Meaning He is the Creator. John 1:3



SOURCES/ORIGIN of Creation




So what was the son doing when God was creating the Universe?



Jesus Himself is the Wisdom of God.

Which your gods can never attain.

Answer my question if you get mind

what was the word of God doing? The word of God was being used by God to create just as stated in the Bible.

Gabrielshow24:
Wait, let's say we give you a benefit of a doubt🤔 that Jesus was created, how then did your god become an Eternal Father when his Son is apparently not Eternal🤕? Or don't you know that your Fatherhood is as old as your Son🤨?

Also, do you care to explain how your god, supposedly ’Love’, didn't have someone to love eternally? 🤨 Don't you think, you have made your god, a dependent being? What difference is this your god to Allah👀?

Do you also care to explain how God ’created’ before the existence of time? And if Jesus was ’created’ before time don't you think the word ’created’ is logically insufficient and unsuitable? It seems you don't have an handle on the exasperating farrago of absurdities you intentionally posit just to keep up this charade of a doctrine🤧.

Well, you can take a bold step and answer these questions or as usual, ’run away!’

so who created time 🐒 😏

Emusan:
Can you imagine this broad day lie.

Just because NWT already gooff you want to change the narration.

Ko le work...




Good! Which means His Son is the Creator.

Or what will you call His Son?



I've told you several times that I don't have the evil mind to edit God's word like Watchtower did to support their doctrine.

In fact, Heb 1:2 is one of the Bible verses that proved Jesus to be the Creator because Jesus was before THE UNIVERSE. So, all creatures fall within the creation of the universe.

Repent from misleading others into error

Heb.1.2 but in these last days HE(GOD) has spoken to us by his Son, whom HE appointed heir of all things, and THROUGH whom HE(GOD) made the universe. (NIV)

Jesus said remove the log from your own eyes first

Emusan:
So it's Moses that recorded that "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth" not that God inspired Moses to write that "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the Earth"

Genesis 1:1 is still very much alive in every version of the Bible and God who can't lie inspired Moses to write that, if anything was created before Heavens and the earth. God who can't would've inspired that.

Now turning the table around.

Are you saying God wasn't the one who inspired Moses to write that "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth"?

this is a typical example of how you respond to simple questions

"Did Moses record that in the beginning God first created the heavens and the earth or did you read that the first thing God created was the heavens and the earth?"

Emusan:
No translation has that, lying liar.

Rev 3:14 Jesus is the SOURCE OF ALL CREATION.

If you get mind, provide the screenshot from your darling Biblehub and other sources as you always do




Firstborn never equates FIRST CREATED

I challenge you to provide the screenshot as well

lol so if to you misquoting rev3:14 Jesus is the source of all creation what then is Father God?

Rev.3.14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.

I know you won't answer just like you avoided the question if firstborn means ruler then is God also a firstborn

They should sha return to God and not just to a church and become a generation that seeks the face of God

AngelahFlo:
That's where you're wrong. It's not "and" but "or"
You can't hold to two views at once; that's stupidity. I'm prepared either way. Whether Jesus comes before the tribulation or He comes after the tribulation is what I'm prepared for.

so if a Christ comes before tribulations contrary to what is written how would you know he is not a false Christ

Let's read a bit shall we

2Thess.2.1 - Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
2Thess.2.2 - not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
2Thess.2.3 - Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2Thess.2.4 - who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

2Thess.2.8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

AngelahFlo:
In simple English, you believe in a post tribulation rapture. It's okay. Just wanted to know where your views stand on. For me I'm open ended. Whether it's a Pre tribulation or a post tribulation I'm keeping myself ready for any of them

you are keeping yourself for the Christ that will come before and the one that will come after abi. Well-done 👍👍

AngelahFlo:
Which group do you belong. The Pre tribulation rapture or the post tribulation rapture?

this is where I belong
Mark.13.19 - For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be.
...
Mark.13.24 - "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
Mark.13.25 - the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
Mark.13.26 - Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark.13.27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

AngelahFlo:
Are you trying to say you don't believe in the Second coming of.Jesus as the Bible outlines it?

That's not what I wrote neither did I even think to attempt trying to say such. So stick to what I wrote and no add assumptions

kingxsamz:
what stage of sin is it when you're murdering children for a god?

first learn what the meaning of the term murder is before you use it and accuse others

Harddiskng:
Lol can you still be saved and be in sin?

Omo we should be careful of falling in error, emitting from our liberty.

You can do without sin! Christ came to set that example and empower you with the Gift of the holy Spirit to achieve this. One blot of sin and you won’t enter heaven! 1 Corinthians 6:9 - Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor (perversely) effeminate, nor homosexuals,

Christ redeemed is from the curse of the law, did he redeem us from having to follow “the law”?

At your bolded, you just said (example). If you commit fornication, it has consequences but it doesn’t mean you are not saved (that your name is still not in the Book of Life) lol. Brother you don’t want to find out, anybody that has been saved once and continues in sin, would go to hell for free!

will you say that you are without sin?

Yes Jesus redeemed us from having to follow the laws of Moses.

gohf:
But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. James 1:14-15

Well if it's true that the fourth stage of sin is "help me Jesus" then it's okay, even Peter cried help me Jesus and was saved.

But Sin doesn't lead you to cry out for help, it leads people to death.

It starts as an evil desire,(lust of flesh, lust of the eye, pride of life), then it births sin, from which if we do not repent from, we become workers of iniquity and transgressors that lead us to death and destruction.

stancydg:
Since there are many schools of thought, don't you think it is wise to simply get prepared in case one of it or the one you least believe in, turns out right. The pre-tribulation school of thought simply awakens ones consciousness towards early preparation, prior the tribulation. If the others turn out right, the element of surprise won't be as much and so, still okay too but if wrong, can be disastrous for the unprepared. Looking at the stated, which one do you think the devil will want most people to believe?

does one really need such, "a school of thought", when we realize God can call us home at any point in time?
Do I need to consider something that contradicts what Jesus and the apostles thought because they are many who teach such? My answer is no

And to answer your question on which one the devil will want most people to believe, it will be to believe that the one coming is Jesus Christ of Nazareth meanwhile it is the Antichrist that is coming first. So as to deceive the world that Christ has come meanwhile it is the false Christ that has come.

Iluvmycontr3:
,,,, Would like to reach you and continue to reason and study the word of God with you.

,,,,,I am a kind of believer that like to keep growing in the knowledge of christ.

,,,,I have carefully read you piece of write up, and i can see that we are on the same page this matter of faith.

,,,,,Though, i am in Europe, but we can link up via email, and maybe WhatsApp thereafter.

Thanks.

that will be nnice giwoxnjojddkfbcfprheibxolwbsjxbxkd

Lukuluku69:
Lol

They just affixed those names to the Gospel "According to".

The Real Wtiter? Barnabas the son of Consolation.

Download his own Gospel and read and you will see the fraud in other Gospels.

even unbelieving atheist know it is a fake because they are scholars who can fact checks things, something you too should learn how to do

This lie called pre tribulation rapture that men of goat, preach because they are not of God, is a false doctrine that misleads people. Jesus never taught such neither his apostles.

That Jesus they are looking for is the Antichrist that claims to be god that must appear first.

Be wise and not follow the deceptions of devil

The sinner's prayer, as we know it today, was invented by twentieth century preachers as a quick and easy way to save people. Unfortunately, it is a false doctrine. large crusades became popular resulting in denominational preachers desiring a simple way for hundreds of people to be simultaneously saved within just a few minutes. So, preachers began asking people to come to the front and pray a prayer to be saved. By praying the prayer, people were led to believe they were forgiven of their sins and saved. This prayer soon developed into what is called the sinner's prayer today.

Every year millions of people are being told to say the sinner's prayer and they will be saved. Is the sinner's prayer a biblical way of salvation? If so, where is it found in the Bible? Although multitudes of people say the sinner's prayer as a means of salvation, the shocking truth is 
THE SINNER'S PRAYER is not even found in the Bible one time! 

The sinner's prayer usually goes something like this:
"Heavenly Father, I know that I am a sinner and that I deserve to go to hell. I believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sins. I do now receive him as my Lord and personal Savior. I promise to serve you to the best of my ability. Please save me. In Jesus' name, Amen."

Which usually ends with if you have said this prayer and you believe you have been forgiven, congratulations or glory hallelujah you have been saved and are born again.

But when we look at the first recorded mass evangelism or crusade, ministeree by Peter as recorded in Acts 2, Peter didn't lead them to a prayer for salvation, a prayer some believe as long as they say it on their deathbed they would be saved.

Acts.2.37 - 38
Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

The Gospel is about repentance not an altar call or a quick fix method. Giving your life you Jesus isn't as simple as declaring a few words it's about surrendering all and forsaking all, your whole life is your whole life, ask yourself are those words your whole life. Saying you surrender doesn't mean you have surrendered. (Matt. 21:28-32)

But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. James 1:14-15

This man has come again with his teaching you to be a god.

Being holy like God is being good like God, it's doing good like Him and being righteous not speaking like God, wasn't that guy Herod who spoke like God eaten alive by worms.

The way he evaluates his own righteous of faith by lying that you have what you do not have is different from how Jesus evaluated great faith in believing that you will receive from God despite the difficulty or impossibility of the situation.

The man hoped that Jesus would only just speak a word, the woman hoped for a healing even though she was referred to has a dog, to these ones Jesus said that had great faith rare even in Israel.

For faith is the evidence of what you hope for.

This is not faith: [s]The righteousness of faith doesn’t say, “I hope one day I’ll be healed or helped.” No! Rather, it says, “I have and walk in divine health, and I’m marvellously helped of the Lord.” The righteousness of faith calls things that are not as though they were; it speaks reality, and the Word of God is the reality.[/s]

We are not God, it is God who speaks things that be not and they be
Faith doesn't come from us speaking it comes from us hearing what God has said. And from it we have hope and we trust God, a hope that doesn't fail, what is faith without hope, a hope we do not see a hope that saves us those who believe.

Faith is not a lie, it is an evidence that you have heard from God, an evidence which is you acting in obedience to your believe in God. The believe that Jesus is the son of God and brings us healing and deliverance to all, that Jesus is the word of God that doesn't return void. That all we need is a word from him directly to our lives.

Emusan:
But God who can't lie says "In the BEGINNING, God created the heavens and the earth"

Why will God say this if Jesus was the FIRST TO BE CREATED?

Did Moses record that in the beginning God first created the heavens and the earth or did you read that the first thing God created was the heavens and the earth?

I know it's hard for you emusan to be honest but try and answer honestly please

The one truth we need

Westerhoffe:
Proverbs 8 (KJV)
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²² The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
²³ I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
²⁴ When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
²⁵ Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

…
²⁷ When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

…
³⁰ Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

John 1 (KJV)
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¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
⁴ In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

…
¹⁰ He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

…
¹⁴ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

exactly as proverbs 8 puts it, he was the first of God's creation, first work brought forth by God

chiedu7:
The NIV calls Lucifer Morning Star.
https://www.bible.com/bible/111/ISA.14.12

While the KJV calls him son of the Morning.

and?
Is that what is written in Hebrew or what does versions interpreted?