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Good morning, happy Sunday

jaephoenix:
Lol. My guy don shut up

May God hell you

Happy weekend

jaephoenix:
Lol. This is like when someone(yahweh) sees his best friend(slave master) maltreat, beat up and rape his girlfriend(slaves) and he tells his best friend's girl friend, "Please be obedient to him, if he says suck his dicck, suck it with love and care, if he says jump out of the window, do it head first". Instead of castigating his best friend for his sins, challenging him, or even reporting to the police.
Nowhere in the Bible was it stated that slavery is bad. Even in the 10 Commandments, murder, lying, adultery was castigated but not slavery.
So shut up your dirty lying mouth

May God help you

jaephoenix:
Your ignorance is palpable.
You don't even know humans have a tail bone. Please google 'coccyx' and cure yourself of your ignorance.
During fetal development, the humans grow a tail til a genetic alterations causes it to stop. The remaining tail stays with us. Sometimes the tail continues growing to full 10cm or more, and have to be surgically excised.
Why do I have to educate theists anytime I login to Nairaland? Why?

May God help you

jaephoenix:
* Ephesians 6:5, “Slaves obey your earthly masters with respect and fear and sincerity of heart, just as you would show to Christ.”

Here the Bible says for slaves to obey their master as if he was God himself.

you finally do quote scripture and still show yourself a liar... "As if he was God himself" the same bible said children obey your parents, slaves your masters and citizens your leaders. Yet to you this is God prompting slavery, what should God say to make a rebellious soul like your pleased, kill your masters, be unfaithful to those you serve. The same scripture that it is written if you are asked to go a mile, go an extra. That we should work more.

* 1 Timothy 6:1, “All who are under the yoke of slavery should regard their masters as fully worthy of honour, so that God’s name and our teaching will not be discredited.”

In this verse God says that slaves should honour their masters in the name of God.

In a world where slaves hated their masters, they should learn from Joseph who found himself in slavery and was faithful and good not sleeping with his boss's wife, so they shouldn't take what doesn't belong to them. Do you even know what it means to be honorable, may not when common civil servants can't serve faithfully without bribes. It was because of God Joseph didn't sleep with his boss wife

* Exodus 21:1, “Now these are the ordinances which you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bear him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.”

Here God (and those who knocked the Bible together) describes how to become a slave for life, and shows that it is completely acceptable to separate slaves from their families. God also shows that he completely endorses the branding of slaves through mutilation.

look damned is the man who twists Gods word, changes it, removes from it for whatsoever reason especially for a selfish reason. You out of the foolishness of your heart said God describes how to become a slave for life even when the scripture you quoted doesn't say so, not to mention other verses that you left out that teaches the truth. But out of your wickedness have you not distorted the truth. Is this what your ancestoral great ape taught you as morals, to lie against what you feel is dumb and can't defend itself. Or to misquote what you have read is very moral.

* Exodus 21:7, “If a man sells his daughter into slavery, she will not go out the way male slaves do.”

In this verse, the God of the Christians allows for a father to sell his own children into slavery. Very noble indeed.

* Exodus 21:20, “If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.”

Not only does the God of the Christians condone slavery, but he is also completely comfortable with the concept of beating your slaves with, as long as you don’t kill them.


* Leviticus 19:20, “If a man lies sexually with a woman who is a slave, assigned to another man and not yet ransomed or given her freedom, a distinction shall be made. They shall not be put to death, because she was not free.”

Here the Christian God says it’s alright for men to have sex with slave woman in which would not be considered as rape because the slave woman has no rights so the man will not be punished.

* Exodus 21:32, “If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull must be stoned.”

Here, not only does the Christian God condone slavery, but here God places a value on slaves as 30 shekels of silver.

* Leviticus 25:44, “Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.”

Here the Bible clearly states where you can purchase your slaves, and also specifies that slaves are property to be bought, sold and handed down. Isn’t that glorious?

* 1 Peter 2:18, “Servants be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust.”

In this verse, the Bible says to respect all masters, even the unjust ones. Beatings are alright as long as the slave is not killed.

* Deuteronomy 21:10, “When you go forth to battle against your enemies, and the Lord your God delivers them into your hands, you may carry them away as captive into slavery.”

In this verse, the Christian Bible says that the losers of a battle may be taken hostage as slaves.

* Deuteronomy 23:15, “You shall not give up to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you.”

Here God says that whoever has the slave owns the slave and doesn’t address why the slave ran away in the first place even if from brutality.

* Titus 2:9, “Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity.

Once again, the Bible and their God in it, shows that he is quite in love with the idea and practice of slavery.

So are the above verses in your holy book, or did I fabricate them?

Why didn't you write about the redemption and the solutions provided to the very actions and decisions these men make to sell themselves to slavery.

Even the slaves were to be treated properly but is there kindness in your heart to see it, when you seem so filled with hate with a being you claim not to exist.

Even Jesus said some of those hundred laws and rules were given by Moses because of the wickedness in the hearts of men.

And when you release them, do not send them away empty-handed. You shall furnish him liberally out of your flock, out of your threshing floor, and out of your winepress. As the Lord your God has blessed you, you shall give to him. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the Lord your God redeemed you. That is why I give you this command today. But if your servant says to you, “I do not want to leave you,” because he loves you and your family and is well off with you, then take an awl and push it through his earlobe into the door, and he will become your servant for life. Do the same for your female servant.


Deuteronomy 15.

You will not understand if God doesn't help you nor save you. You will not agree if God never visits you.

😂 May God help you

jaephoenix:
And you're worse. You see the truth and hide from it

may God help you

jaephoenix:
Says a man who has a tail
Jokes on you bro

may God help you

jaephoenix:
And I replied with posts where I explained where the Bible changed morality more times than a whorre changes customers

You are indeed confused. which nonsense explanation you liar, you didn't even quote the bible all you did was claim you knew what was in the bible whereas you still are in no way able of showing you are have any level of authority to claim to know what the bible teaches.

Kobojunkie:
only a one who cares would take out from his precious time to create this here thread. This ain't rocket science abeg!

yes I care yet what I do care about is not something you easily and so wrongly assume

jaephoenix:
Your point?

even the physical blind can see it

jaephoenix:
If you prefer going around in circles, then suit yourself

I have said the same thing to you over and over again but to you it feels like going round and round because your state is like a blind man groping the walls still not finding his way despite the light shining

jaephoenix:
All the questions you asked have been answered but you deployed your regular deflection tactics used by your predecessors. So I'm not surprised.
You haven't addressed any of the points I raised. Even the point I raised about morality change in the buybull was ignored.
So have a nice day, bro

didn't you read where I wrote, let me write it again since you are forgetful, Morality and righteousness that comes from God does not change. If you like agree if you like don't agree. Men are still free to create their own form of morality and righteousness, or even self righteous. Whatever men create is only a copy of what they have seen

MightySparrow:
No. The way you opened the Thread is the problem. Most big churches today start as fellowships in someone's sitting room. Imagine if Catholic, Anglican, RCCG, LFC don't take offerings and tithes. How will they cope with their workers?

Just invite us to your fellowship. If I ever come there or any other fellowship and offerings are forbidden, I will never go back again.

I see giving as a source of blessings from God.
My mentality though.
Cheers!

a problem to who? To you? And you are?

What is my business with those names you mentioned, did they send me, did I send them.

Like I wrote only free will offering is collected, you are free to come, to give, to leave.

Have you ever been to Daystar before

Please keep your cheers o , thank you
You don't even know if I was an ex top pastor in rccg, you don't even know there are men of God who don't take tithe in this country. Its funny that you think some of this churches of God are built on tithe.

Do you know what crusade ministry is, to you people everything is church, and the reason you go to church it's not to serve freely without expecting anything

Its people like that Jesus said you think you're doing something that makes you different from sinners, listen, even sinners won't give or borrow those who can't give back to them.

So someone cannot decide to teach and pray for people for free, o he Pharisees. If I don't want to collect money from anybody how does it affect you

I will not be surprised if you were part of those who attacked TB Joshua who said give to the poor

My house shall be called a house of prayer not a den of thieves.

Did I say people should not give. I only nobody should come and pay me for anything. If someone wants to be thankful they should give, if they don't want to they should go

Ken4Christ:
You post is pointless. Please come out clearer.

there's a reason Jesus said he who has ears let him hear. He who has understanding let him perceive and see what the spirit is saying.

Obviously you are the hard ground that can't accept the seeds of God's word throw at you. Seeing as the god of this world has blinded you from seeing the truth even if it was placed right in front of you

jaephoenix:
Lol. What an ignoramus.
Who told you we came from monkeys?
How does the Great Ape translate into monkeys? Hope you know our DNAs are almost the same. In fact if I bring ape and human bones together , you wouldn't know the difference. And of course, there is scientific evidence we came from the great ape. Is there evidence of creation? No. Even the catholic church realized how wrong creationism is and are trying to inculcate evolutionism, Big Bang into their teaching.
Jokes on you, theist

oh I am sorry forgive me. Didn't know your ancestor was a great ape and not a mere monkey

jaephoenix:
Do you read your Bible or pretend to read it?
You haven't seen Bible pages promoting slavery, misogynism etc?

see what I am saying how does me reading the bible give you a right to teach scripture or speak about the intent of it.

Here is what I asked you
And who are you to know or say what it teaches and doesn't teach?

There have been devils, demons and agents who have claimed what scripture taught and there are those trained to understand what is written.

You can here claiming the Bible promotes slavery, when the God of the same people recorded in the book delivered his people from slavery. Sent his servants to delivery the people from slavery to sin.

How do you live with yourself lying about things you know little about. Does it give you joy or what

jaephoenix:
1. If Jesus is Yahweh, then its obvious the sinners he healed saw him. Question is, as a Christian, have you seen Yahweh?
2. If you can read properly I said stoning adulterers is okay in the old testament. Did I lie? In the new testament, Jesus didn’t tell them not to stone but he didn't allow them to stone an adulterous but he advocated forgiveness, reason why he said 'he without sin should throw the first stone'. Did your Yahweh advocate for forgiveness when he made commandments to stone adulterers? No! Is that not a morality paradigm shift?
I realized you didn't even counter any of the points I made, you just said i comment on what I know nothing about, without stating specifically what was wrong. That's a deflection technique y'all theists exhibit.
3. You just said morals came from many gods, didnt you? So why get offended when I mentioned some of them?
By the way, which god demanded Abraham offer his son as sacrifice? Baal? Allah?
We didn't say morals didn't come from your yahweh, but the point was it was dynamic, relative and of course, wasn't the only source of morals

Number 1 you said if, and Jesus isn't Yahweh. You were expecting me to counter sorry to disappoint you, my response was the best answer for you. And I never said morals came from gods.

There's no point having a conversation with someone who isn't following the discuss nor remembers correctly what was written. I am not offended by you just disinterested in discussing with someone that seems to be talking with someone else. Honestly your posts are disjointed.

You haven't answered any of my questions have you? You came up with an illusions that I am offended by you mentioning gods I don't care about.

The only point you have made is to disagree with me that God Almighty didn't teach morals to the first man, because you believe you originated from monkeys. Since that's what you absolutely believe stop wasting your time asking questions you don't want the answers to. And live the life you believe in

After all you are free to live and die forever, its your life not mine

jaephoenix:
Whether I accept it or not is irrelevant. What's relevant is if its the truth

if it's the truth would you accept it if it goes against what you believe

jaephoenix:
Why is it more in Nigeria/Africa

because your perception is limited to only what you see and know

jaephoenix:
Not afraid. Question is, is it true?

is that really the question, if it is true and not if the answer is acceptable to you?

jaephoenix:
1. So the sinners that saw yahweh in the Bible were what?
2. Oh, morality does change. It is both dynamic and relative. Dynamic meaning it changes over time. For example, using your favorite story book, stoning adulterous women was all good in the Old Testament, but frowned upon in the New. Same with polygamy etc. Same issue with slavery which was great in the Bible but right now is unacceptable. Morality is also relative in that what is morally right in the US is morally wrong in Nigeria. Example is binary people, LGBTQ etc
3. You said morality is from any god(irrespective of name) but you forgot those 'gods' gave laws that are relatively immoral in these days. Example is sacrificing of humans, animals, crops(which by the way, was a favorite of your Yahweh). Of course these are not practiced these days because morality has had a paradigm shift. In the next 50 years, LGBTQ, non binary folks etc would be morally right in the whole world, including the church. Of course there would be pockets of resistance but generally laws would accept it. Even now some African countries accept LGBTQ like South Africa

1. Which sinner saw him?
2. Writing together a bunch doesn't mean it's a sensible sentence. If you had any understanding you would have known Jesus didn't tell them not to stone her. Just like the rest of your other assumptions it shows you speak more on things you know little about and you neither listen to answers of questions you claim to ask.
3. Are you not so fixated on your twisted logic that you would even deny the very God that did not command human sacrifice but condemned so gods and demons that did, abolishing the nonsense men practiced in their search for power.


Morality and righteousness that comes from God does not change. If you like agree if you like don't agree. Men are still free to create their own form of morality and righteousness, or even self righteous. Whatever men create is only a copy of what they have seen

jaephoenix:
I hope you know the Old Testament teaches sacrifices, slavery, killing of those that work on Sabbath etc. So yes, some of the Bible teachings are deleterious

and you know it teaches that has what?
And who are you to know or say what it teaches and doesn't teach?

jaephoenix:
Lol. Theists that practice all sorts atrocities in Nigeria weren't they thinking of the punishment? Or were they thinking of escaping?

whatever they are thinking, they can be atheists, theists even Theresa herself if they don't repent from their wickedness they will face the repercussions of it

Ken4Christ:
When Jesus told the rich young man to sell all that he had and give to the poor, he was actually teaching him the way to true and lasting prosperity. When the man left in sadness, he unveiled to his disciples what happens to those who give up anything for the sake of his kingdom. He said that they will receive them all back in this world a hundred fold increase.

Read Mark 10:29-30.

29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,

30 But he shall receive an HUNDRED FOLD NOW IN THIS TIME, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

So, helping or giving to the poor does not make you poor. Rather, it makes you rich so you can have much more to give.

But biblical giving is not limited to giving to the poor. There are other kinds of giving that they must be taught to give also.

1. Giving of firstfruit is an eternal principle that brings God's blessings.
2. Tithing is also an eternal principle.
3. Ministering to servants of God is also commanded.
4. Giving to support the gospel work is also very important.

God is not against wealth but he is against those who prize their wealth above the things of the kingdom.

He made Abraham rich, he made King Solomon the richest king of his days. He is still the same God. But be rich to the point where you can put smiles on the faces of the needy.

This is my point. The love offering you are emphasizing is just one aspect of giving. We should be all round givers.

Luke.16.13 - No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Luke.16.14 - And the Pharisees also, who were covetous and loved money, heard all these things: and they derided him.

I asked you "How did you come about "raising a poor congregation" from that what you read?" you did not answer meaning you were lying against the post and bearing false witness, now can a selfish liar bear witness to the truth? NO


I asked you "where did God ordain you people to be rich?" You also had no answer but you also quoted Mark 10:29-30 anyway read carefully listen to your quote for these men didn't become rich but gain a new family of believers who shared all they had together lands, houses etc, plus persecution but none of the things they received did they keep for themselves they still shared it with those who did not have.

Did the OP say giving makes people poor, or is your love for money making you see things that are not written nor said.

I said love offering because that is what Jesus taught and that is what the church in scripture practiced. Others can collect whatever they want that is their business, if Moses could tell the people to stop giving when they had enough for the work, Elisha could refuse gifts from the ex-leper. Doesn't a church have the right to obey God and collect only love offering and put no other burden on the people. For God loves a cheerful giver. The Abraham you mentioned rejected the wealth of nations, left his homelands, houses and all and did he build a house nor buy land except what he used as a burial site, yet what did God reward him with, I am your shield and a promise for his generations to come.

Solomon who had great wealth, what did he do with it, he still burdened the people, married hundred of women, built more shrines than Jezebel.

Of course God gives wealth, would you not have mentioned Job, or David but neither men chased after money nor riches and they gave, to God, to the people.

You call tithing eternal yet the temple and levities and priesthood lies in ruins replaced by Christ the high priest. You speak of firstfruit an offering supposed to honor God for his blessings not for a blessing.

You are treating God like a businessman, the same God kind enough to feed the sparrows and the ungrateful.

Do you not treat God like a tyrant who wishes to use a wipe and force people to give.

The window who gave her all, did she give it because she wanted more? Did she even get more.

Of all the greedy people in Israel giving offering why did God send Elijah to a window in sidon. Who because of her humility to obey watched as God multipled her little not after giving but while she prepared it. The same God multipled the oil not because she gave a special seed to Elisha. God bless Elisha.

Did the five loaves not multiple, was a promise given to the boy who gave the five loaves of bread.

God will always bless those who give, and he will bless those willing to give as long as their sacrifices are not from a wicked and selfish heart and are like the blood of swine before him.

It is sad that you think 10% compares to the 100% they gave in the early church. when peter would reject gifts for the laying of hands upon Simon, when we have ministers now who would collect it and anoint you with oil

MightySparrow:
You are not getting it. The OP says they don't give offerings at all. That is a lie. So they don't use any instruments, no welfare, no accommodation, no publicity including data to access Nairaland.
That is a lie.

That is not a Bible believing church. Even Jesus saw a widow giving her last as offering, rather than returning the money, she was commended for her faith in God.



So, Sir, what the ministry is denying in the beginning will be introduced later.

That is hypocrisy.

We are about unity and love, freely we are given freely we give. Only love offerings given freely will be received

are you not lying and bearing false witness

MightySparrow:
No, I am wary of a church to that claim holier than Jesus!

in what way is such a church claiming to be holier than Jesus

Of course not, it is the greedy who would despise the very Lord and claim to follow him


Luke.16.13 - No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Luke.16.14 - And the Pharisees also, who were covetous and loved money, heard all these things: and they derided him.
Luke.16.15 - And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Ken4Christ:
You are raising poor congregation. You want to make them poor. You ought to teach them how to give. Giving is one of the ways God has ordained us to be rich. When you deprive them from giving, you are programming them for poverty

How did you come about "raising a poor congregation" from that what you read?
where did God ordain you people to be rich?

Did you read the post? You obviously didn't and skipped through it like you probably do your Bible. Did you not read where I wrote "free will offering" did Jesus not teach to give freely and secretly.

To you Jesus must have been raising a poor congregation where he asked the rich man to give to the poor and follow him, even his disciples gave their all and then followed him. If that's the kind of congregation I am raising that isn't selfish and greedy, that would love their neighbors and help their families, that would pay a medical bill instead of saying the money is for to the or special seed "coban" and not even give to their parents. Hearts filled with lust and material things, who want more than to give. If such can't follow Jesus why should they follow me, isn't Jesus in me

Kobojunkie:
You created a thread about it indicating some level of concern, right?

that in no way means nor agrees with I "care so much"

How about you prove what you have written and asked me

Kobojunkie:
1. Let's turn this around to instead ask why you care so much about what others think of your belief in Jesus Christ? Watching you lot go at it, it almost seems many of you seek validation of sorts of what you claim to believe in by your attempts to convince those who don't believe.

2. But why do you care that He is seen as a fictional cartoon character by anyone if, and this is if, you KNOW Him?.

aren't you the one assuming I cared

Have a good night

jaephoenix:
What supernatural events are we struggling to explain away?

the fact you're smarter than a monkey but still feel you are related to them and call them your ancestors because its so hard to accept God accepting monkeys is way better 😂😂