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Nachmonides:
God is a person.

Who is this person - He is God
Who is this person - He is the word
Who is this person - He is the son

so God is the son of man?

Nachmonides:
He was referring to the identity of God that could not be seen.

Because he told us the Word, Jesus was God, and was seen.

so God could not be seen but Jesus who you accuse of being God can be seen but was not seen and now is seen right?

Captain4Jehovah:
We don't need to argue endlessly. If Jesus is not God, then you are neither god.

I never claimed to be nor desire to be.

It is not an endless argument, it is a question, who or what is ABOVE that you mentioned?

Nachmonides:
Who is He? - He is God
Who is He? - He is the Son
Who is He? - He is the Word

so in the beginning was He, and He was with He and He was He?

Nachmonides:
There are no contradictions.
I have explained it, Jesus is God, and he is the Son.

the lies and contradictions you deny in your own mind but evident to all following the conversation

Nachmonides:
Who are you? - You're a human being
Who are you? - You are the president
Who are you? - You are Donald Trump

Neither does Trump say he is the only human or the only president but he can say he is the only human president named Trump


But with God there is only one God because God is not a race nor a title.

Nachmonides:
Go and do your research on what identity, person, essence means.


They both share the same identity in that they are both God


They both have different identities in persons.

blood is the essence of life, yet that two people have similar blood doesn't make them the same person.

As we see in parents who share blood with their children, it doesn't make them the same, it makes them of one blood but none of them are called blood!!

LordReed:
There is no evidence of a global catastrophic flood. Simple. The attempt to equate evidence for the Big Bang with an ancient tale is flat out rubbish. All it takes is a tiny bit of reasoning to know that any ancient civilisation that developed near a body of water will experience flooding and therefore have stories about floods. To leap from that to all flood stories are about some great global flood is absurditiy pro max.

but which of the two do you believe big bang of no origin or the flood

Nachmonides:
Yes, I can see it.

Jesus and the father share the same identity, and they don't share the same identity at the same time.


1 identity: They both are God

2 identities: Jesus is the Son, God is the Father.


Identity is different from Persons, and Essence.

both God and God is the Father so therefore logic detects that Jesus who is God according to you, is the Father.

Logic is what circuits are designed with

Nachmonides:
I'm not wrong when I say 2 identities, or 2 persons


2 identities in that they are distinct persons.

I can also say 1 identity in that they both are God.

so God is not a person but an idea that two people can represent

Please don't agree to this nonsense I just wrote

Captain4Jehovah:
You should understand that it is a typographical error. it should be:

From ABOVE. If I haven't seen and heard it I wouldn't have told you so.
Not

From ABOVE. If I have seen and heard it I wouldn't have told you so.

oh, that's why I asked 😀

So you saw it from ABOVE, who or what is ABOVE?

Nachmonides:
Persons: In the context of John 1:1, the Father and the Son are two persons within the Trinity. They have distinct personhoods but share the same essence or divinity.

Identities: Identity can be seen as the way one perceives or understands a person or being. In the case of John 1:1, while the Father and Son are distinct persons, they share the same identity in that they are both fully God—they share the same essence. The Father is not the Son, but the Son is fully divine, and thus, they share the same divine identity.

John 1:1 speaks of two persons—God the Father and God the Son—but they share the same divine essence or identity.

even when two twins bear the same name and identity, say simi, they are called the Simis recognising that they are two

But if according to Naruto's shadow clone, Jesus is a clone then he returns back into the father, now if the shadow clone still exists outside of Naruto and develops a different identity even the manga writers would not call this clone Naruto again. Why

Common sense not to cause confusion

Even animators do not want to be authors of confusion even when it is from their own imagination

Nachmonides:
Since there's a God was with God statement in John 1:1, he's telling us one person was with another person. 2 identities. And in same breadth, John tells us the word was God. He's telling us that the word is no different from God he was with.


What essence are you looking for in John 1:18?
You're looking for the word Essence?

so you are saying John wrote according to you, that two persons are God.

After first claiming that God in Genesis 1:1 is plural for the three, you shifted to changing it that it is a singular term.

I pray you repent and remember this period with fondness.

HolinesstodLord:
Bro, you are lacking in some areas. Jesus prayed that we may know God. God is our father. We are his children. Is it pride if I say I know my earthly father? Is it pride if I say I know my Heavenly Father?

Just drop all those religion theology and know God whom Jesus Christ came to reveal. God bless.

God is one and Jesus Christ is one with God and that’s it. Together they existed in everlasting before God left his glory abode above the Heaven and started to create Heaven and Earth through Jesus Christ.

I will be praying for you. I am glad you believe in Jesus Christ but you fighting him at the same time with human theology.

I asked you what was the blasphemy you didn't say, now I will ask you how or in what way am I fighting Jesus?

Captain4Jehovah:
From ABOVE. If I have seen and heard it I wouldn't have told you so.

if you have seen it you wouldn't have told me? So has you didn't see it, you are telling me.

LordReed:
External confirmation with hard evidence. Like evidence of a global catastrophic flood (which we don’t have) or repeatability of some miracle, like someone turning water to wine in a controlled setting (which I bet someone will say you can't test god). This is in general, all evidence must be evaluated on their own merits on a case by case basis.

you have the nation Israel, get a visa, buy a ticket go there or better still read your history or listen to those who may not lie to you.

Do you know anyone's certification here that you would say yes I believe evidence provided by you.

You can either believe humans are self existing as they are not created or that God who is self existing formed adam and eve and we were born from them

Nachmonides:
No, John1:1 is not talking of more than one Godship.

so one godship two persons

Because to you God is a title, maybe it is even attainable

Nachmonides:
A separate godship would imply that there are two or more distinct divine natures or gods that are not unified in essence or being. In other words, each "godship" would refer to a separate, independent, and fully autonomous divine entity. This concept would conflict with the idea of monotheism, which is the belief in one God.



Separate godships are often associated with polytheism, the belief in multiple gods. In polytheistic religions, gods are distinct beings, each with its own divine nature, authority, and role.

For example, in ancient Greek or Roman mythology, gods like Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades were viewed as separate beings with their own realms and powers.

even if you turn the lie to be that God is a title, Godhood or Godship which according to you is shared by two persons who walked together in John 1:1 so when two people share a kingship or a kingdom do people say there is only one king.

You see you are trying to fix this your lie into an imaginary box but all your formulas are not working so you either force yourself to believe that it is beyond human understanding and not that it is foolish of you to think so

HolinesstodLord:
Have you seen this God you so much blasphemed against? You know the study of God & history but do you know this God in person? Have you met him? Has he trusted you with his visions & revelations and they come to pass as he said?

If you have met him, kindly describe God for me. Were they 3 or 1? Thank you.

so how according to your spirit of accusation did I blasphemy God Almighty YHVH is it by calling His Son His Son or by acknowledging that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God, who came in the flesh died and rose with his body and is at the right hand of God.

Where is the blasphemy you hypocrite for you love the ways of men more than God, and your own traditions and history rather than what He has revealed through His Spirit.

You ask me of my personal revelations when you can't even accept the revelations from His own Son and those He sent to share them with us.

What profit is my own revelation to you when God's word is unprofitable to you, it is for pride or bragging.

Is it not written and repeated in your Bible
YHVH God is one, there is no other God BESIDES him, there is no God around Him nor beneath Him. The one Jesus reveals as the only true God

So to call Jesus a god is to call the Lord Jesus Christ a liar and to accuse him of being a false god.

For there is only one true God

Nachmonides:
God can have an essence because He is a person, or rather, God's essence is what defines Him as a person.


So some his attributes include being eternal, infinite, all-knowing, all-powerful; all these define what it means to be God.


A person refers to an individual being that possesses certain attributes typically associated with humanity or a higher level of self-awareness, rationality, and personal identity.

It cannot be lower, insects are lower, insects are not considered persons because they do not have the qualities or attributes typically associated with personhood (self-awareness, rationality, moral agency, etc.).


So, personhood is understood from the framework mankind has set for himself.
Mankind's Framework: The framework for defining personhood is often anthropocentric—meaning it is based on what humans know, experience, and value. Since insects or other animals don't meet the specific criteria that humans use (such as rationality, self-reflection, moral judgment), they are not seen as persons in this framework.

so though insects and animals have some of the characteristics of essence as you put it, of men, does that make them human?

Or are you saying Jesus has God's attributes you listed "include being eternal, infinite, all-knowing, all-powerful"; all these define what it means to be God.

Jesus isn't all knowing but he is hearing from the Father for all he knows comes from the Father and that which he doesn't or didn't know wasn't revealed to him by the Father.

Jesus was not eternal because he died, eternity does not die. For if it does then we who forsake all to follow are truly miserable.

Jesus wasn't all powerful, he received power, God did works through him and when he went back to God he received power over all under God.

Jesus is not infinite, for he is at the right hand of God and another comforter the Holy Spirit was sent

I and Jesus along with the apostles of Christ are one, for not one word I have spoken is in disagreement with them

Nachmonides:
Yes, one has seen God (the Son, or the word), and yes his Identity (or his person, the Son), but one hasn't seen the person, the Father.

If one has seen God, one has seen his person or identity, but not his essence; his nature.



Let me relate it to humans.
The essence of humans refers to the fundamental nature or defining attributes of what it means to be human. In philosophical, theological, and biological contexts.

So these attributes are like, Rationality, Freewill, Moral Capacity, Consciousness, Creativity, Adaptability, e.t c

These attributes are what it means to be human. That is our essence.

It is more abstract that we can only know exist when man acts.

So the essence of God refers to His fundamental nature or "what God is"—the qualities and attributes that define Him as God, some are:

One: God is indivisible and singular in essence, meaning there is only one God. (Deuteronomy 6:4, "The LORD our God, the LORD is one."

Infinite: God’s nature is limitless, not constrained by space, time, or any boundaries.

Eternal: God’s essence exists outside of time—He has no beginning or end. (Psalm 90:2, "From everlasting to everlasting you are God."

Immutable: God’s essence does not change. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. (Malachi 3:6, "I the LORD do not change."

Is this nonsense not modalism or Sabellianism

That even those in error found it too erroneous to believe

Very simple no one had seen God except Jesus who came from God

Moses and all the rest who "saw" God it's like how Job saw God, Elijah, Ezekiel, Daniel and co, and all the revelation they had of Him was covered or clouded but from Jesus comes the truth

This is something you cannot grasp until you let go of the nonsense you are holding unto

HolinesstodLord:
Please repent of your heresy. Don’t twist scripture to your own destruction as brother Peter warned. God is one. To say Jesus is not God is like saying your body is not you.

You are the heretical like the demonic counsel of Nicene who progragate the doctrine of the nicolaitans. You don't even know the origin of your confusion to process that God is one, yet you call another God.

Do you think this is biology? We are speaking about wisdom from above, here you speak about of inventions of men. Have you not read, there is only one God and there is only one Lord and Mediator for men, Jesus Christ. Did you not understand or you blinded by the false lies of the devil to see who the true Messiah is.

Men have been blinded least they know the truth and be set free.

If you refuse and reject the truth who would save you?

Nachmonides:
Let me address your Objection:

In Numbers 23:19 and Hosea 11:9, the Bible says that God is not a man, emphasizing that God's nature is distinct from humanity. These verses stress God's transcendence and immensity, but they don’t contradict the idea that God can manifest Himself in a human form.


Take your time, research for yourself. It doesn't contradict it.

Look the person recorded to have spoken in Number 23, is also recorded to have revealed this as well
Num.24.7 [Israel] shall pour water out of his own buckets [have his own sources of rich blessing and plenty], and his offspring shall dwell by many waters, and his king shall be higher than Agag, and his kingdom shall be exalted. (AMP)

If you don't understand what is written here is from the original text
7: There shall come a man out of his seed, and he shall rule over many nations; and the kingdom of Gog shall be exalted, and his kingdom shall be increased.

Num.24.17 I see him, but not in the present time. I perceive him, but far in the distant future. A star will rise from Jacob; a scepter will emerge from Israel. It will crush the foreheads of Moab's people, cracking the skulls of the people of Seth.


Those who want to claim it's David or Solomon can't say they destroy the children of Seth who exist now through Noah.
Yes the word for star there also means prince but it speaks of a man, and that's why when Hebrews quoted Psalms he was referring to the scepter of righteousness as Jesus and not God as Jesus

Why do you think God was revealing He is not a man through Balaam and He is not the son of Man

Yes in Hosea 11:9, God says he is not wicked like men, but merciful so he spares us, he saves us. God calls Himself in Hosea their savior who brought them out of Egypt but the man who lead them out was Moses but do they then assume that Moses was the one speaking to them from the great beyond? Do they call or see Moses irrespective of the mighty miracles worked through him, as God?


God is not a man, is the reason we are destroyed. Jesus couldn't and wouldn't be able to save us if not for God's mercy and power.

For God who said the righteousness of a man is what would save them, gave grace to Noah who He judged righteous that his family be saved and gave grace to Jesus that we may be saved. And Grace comes from God and that's why that saving Grace comes through Jesus and not Moses. Because God willed it so.

DaddyCoool:
OK, you two, how many times in the Bible was God called "a MAN of war"?

And can you two interprete this passage below.
Son of man and Ancient of days

Have you ever heard of the oldest translation of the Hebrew text, the, Septuagint, that the Jews used when they were in exile and spoke Greek the major language of the world at that time...

This is it translated into English
Exodus 15:3; The Lord bringing wars to nothing, the Lord is his name.

so if I translate YHVH is milhamah had Jehovah's champion of war

The you understand why
Niv and NLT translate it as
Exod.15.3 - The LORD is a warrior; yes, the LORD is his name!

As for the picture text you posted. The ancient of days is God and the son of man is the Messiah Yahsha (Jesus 😀)

Captain4Jehovah:
Limited understanding! We speak what we have seen, what we have heard!

you saw it where
You heard it from whom

Emusan:
The most critical part is what you left and address another thing.

Look @color parts, that is what you are missing.

Mal 3:1 ...prepare the was BEFORE ME....
Isa 40:3 ....making the dessert highway for OUR GOD...

John the Baptist fulfilled the part of preparing the WAY while Jesus is the one who fulfilled BEFORE ME AND OUR GOD.

Do you now understand?

Thank God it wasn't written in only short verses for people like you who run wild with your imaginations and accusations to deny God's word

Isa.40.4 - Fill the valleys and level the hills. Straighten out the curves and smooth off the rough spots.
Isa.40.5 - Then the glory of the LORD will be revealed, and all people will see it together. The LORD has spoken!"
Isa.40.9 - Messenger of good news, shout to Zion from the mountaintops! Shout louder to Jerusalem--do not be afraid. Tell the towns of Judah, "Your God is coming!"
Isa.40.10 - Yes, the Sovereign LORD is coming in all his glorious power. He will rule with awesome strength. See, he brings his reward with him as he comes.

Mal.3.1 - "Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. Then the Lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his Temple. The messenger of the covenant, whom you look for so eagerly, is surely coming," says the LORD Almighty.

So John the Baptist is the messenger of the covenant? I didn't understand your nonsense editing God's word like a serpent

Mal.4.5 - "Look, I am sending you the prophet Elijah before the great and dreadful day of the LORD arrives.
Mal.4.6 - His preaching will turn the hearts of parents to their children, and the hearts of children to their parents. Otherwise I will come and strike the land with a curse."

Jesus said, in Matt.11.14 - And if you are willing to accept what I say, he is Elijah, the one the prophets said would come.

Do you think John was revealing himself when he said
John.1.23 John replied in the words of Isaiah: "I am a voice shouting in the wilderness, 'Prepare a straight pathway for the Lord's coming!'"

Do you not know he denied to be Elijah?
John.1.21 - "Well then, who are you?" they asked. "Are you Elijah?No," he replied. "Are you the Prophet?No."
John.1.25 - asked him, "If you aren't the Messiah or Elijah or the Prophet, what right do you have to baptize?"


So you who claim to having understanding said he came to reveal YHVH God

John.1.29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look! There is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

John did not come to bear witness of God but to bear witness of the Light
John.1.8 John himself was not the light; he was only a witness to the light.

For in the beginning God called forth light and there was light.

I am a liar!

John 5:22 "Furthermore, the Father does not judge[ao] anyone, but has assigned[ap] all judgment to the Son"

I have lied against God, His word and the Holy spirit.

Yahweh of the Old Testament promised to COME either God lied or He has come.

It is because you do not know the word of God nor the power of God that you speak with such ignorance arrogantly.

Did I say Jesus will not Judge, I said my Father
God is coming to judge. You read a little and you run like the 5 foolish virgins

Rev.14.7 - "Fear God," he shouted. "Give glory to him. For the time has come when he will sit as judge. Worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea, and all the springs of water."
Rev.18.5 - For her sins are piled as high as heaven, and God is ready to judge her for her evil deeds.
Rev.18.8 - Therefore, the sorrows of death and mourning and famine will overtake her in a single day. She will be utterly consumed by fire, for the Lord God who judges her is mighty."
Rev.18.20 - But you, O heaven, rejoice over her fate. And you also rejoice, O holy people of God and apostles and prophets! For at last God has judged her on your behalf.
Rev.20.12 - I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God's throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to the things written in the books, according to what they had done.

I told you to read revelations, but for the sake of others let me bring out the words that reveals your ignorance

Rev.21.5 - And the one sitting on the throne said, "Look, I am making all things new!" And then he said to me, "Write this down, for what I tell you is trustworthy and true."
Rev.21.6 - And he also said, "It is finished! I am the Alpha and the Omega--the Beginning and the End. To all who are thirsty I will give the springs of the water of life without charge!
Rev.21.7 - All who are victorious will inherit all these blessings, and I will be their God, and they will be my children.
Rev.21.8 - But cowards who turn away from me, and unbelievers, and the corrupt, and murderers, and the immoral, and those who practice witchcraft, and idol worshipers, and all liars--their doom is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death."

Heb.12.23 - You have come to the assembly of God's firstborn children, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God himself, who is the judge of all people. And you have come to the spirits of the redeemed in heaven who have now been made perfect.
Heb.13.4 - Give honor to marriage, and remain faithful to one another in marriage. God will surely judge people who are immoral and those who commit adultery.
Jas.5.9 - Don't grumble about each other, my brothers and sisters, or God will judge you. For look! The great Judge is coming. He is standing at the door!
1Pet.2.12 - Be careful how you live among your unbelieving neighbors. Even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will believe and give honor to God when he comes to judge the world.
1Pet.4.5 - But just remember that they will have to face God, who will judge everyone, both the living and the dead.

2Tim.4.1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge:
Rom.2.16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

God is judging through Jesus, those who will be saved and those who wil perish, the living and the dead.

In the same John 5 you quoted without reading

John.5.30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

When Jesus said God has given judgement to him, it was not for him to condemn but to save, why do you think in that very chapter Jesus said

John.5.19 - Jesus replied, "I assure you, the Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing. Whatever the Father does, the Son also does.
John.5.20 - For the Father loves the Son and tells him everything he is doing, and the Son will do far greater things than healing this man. You will be astonished at what he does.
John.5.21 - He will even raise from the dead anyone he wants to, just as the Father does.
John.5.22 - And the Father leaves all judgment to his Son,
John.5.24 - "I assure you, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

The purpose is to give life or remove anyone's name from the book of life.

John.5.26 - The Father has life in himself, and he has granted his Son to have life in himself.
John.5.27 - And he has given him authority to judge all mankind because he is the Son of Man.
John.5.28 - Don't be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God's Son,
John.5.29 - and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to judgment.

So there is another judgement that those who continue in evil will rise to.

Jesus said, John.12.47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

You don't understand nor know the truth yet in your folly and pride you run to call others liars

Who are you to decide who hardened his/her heart?

So, when the same Isa called God MIGHTY GOD SHOWS God might not be 'Almighty' or God later became Almighty at a point.

Yes! You're contradicting yourself.

If Jesus is called MIGHTY GOD and Old Testament also called God MIGHTY GOD it means there are TWO MIGHTY GODS.



Where did I make this claim?



And who said Jesus called Himself the Father?



Where did I lie against Jesus?

Secondly, I can't remember where I said you know Jesus FULLY.

I only said if your CLAIMED YOU KNOW HIM FULLY then it means you're the Father because according to Jesus Himself, you can't know Him fully except the Father.



Show me where I accused you.



So it's me that is quoting scripture WRONGLY right

Whenever you see them making this type of claim it's evident they know their own interpretation don get K-leg.

it must have been hardened for me to have ignored responding to this post then, but for the sake of God and those he wants to save through the truth I will respond.

Don't make an assumption in capitals when there was nothing but your own imagination to warranty such. You brought evidence you are still asking I should show you where you accused me. If I didn't then not doing so now anyway.

You obviously think every one with God in their name is God right? Gabriel mighty God is God too, Elihu, He is God is God too right, Daniel or Raphael or... you read Isaiah 9:6; His name will be called and in your head, it is nameS right? Why don't you call him Father God, since you have such special understanding?

Jesus is the prince of peace

Kingsempires:
If the early christians were trinitarian so were is all this confusion coming from

early christians? Did Christianity start in 200 or 300 ad with the nicene creed?

Emusan:
TRINITARIAN HAVE THE TRUTH IS THE KEY WORK.

Where did scripture say Jesus is the ONLY ONE EVER CALLED ARCHANGEL MICHAEL?

Wait is there another archangel and commander of God's army that was mentioned in the Bible?

Captain4Jehovah:
It's truly JESUS IS NOT GOD, YAHWEH, the Father of all! When we refer to distinctive personality, He is the ONLY true GOD.

However, I wrote earlier on this platform that the word "God" is a family name used for all supernatural forces, spirits not exclusively Satan and demons_all are Gods. Any being, including man that one aspires to reach at all cost, reverences and worships with awe and who has authority over one is a god. Consider Genesis 3:5; Ex 4:16; John 10:34, 20:28
If we come to creation, Jesus is a God as his Father for sharing His Divinity_he has eternity, he can give life for in him is life.

God, Elohim YHVH, is not a family name and jesus is not God

Gabrielshow24:
Witty but that is for God to say.

Even the son acknowledges the Father.
The truth of the matter lies in th fact that he is the fullness of God.

As far as scriptures is concerned the lamb is your Lord, and all things have been given to him.

The Father does no judgement save the son!

You bypassing the son to go to the Father is like treading in the lane of Korah.

Also according to Hebrews you're part of the work of his hands!

If you knew the scriptures you wouldn't say God does not judge

God is good

ogaemeka:
It would be necessary to sanitize your enslaved mind with a rod of iron

only if that rod is the God's scepter of righteousness Jesus Christ the son of God