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Dtruthspeaker:
I am asking
2) And based on the Isaiah 33. 22, you subscribed to, Did Jesus not confirm that He is coming to Judge?

Did you see Jesus there in Isaiah 33, or in the Isaiah 32 you quoted please show us let us see him

Dtruthspeaker:
As I said earlier, even you took note of the small letter Sarah used as against the Capital Letters used for Jesus.

So, you are still dodging the question and repeating what you belief rather than answering the question please 1) if Jesus is not God, how then and why then is He called, Lord?

like I am explaining you are not understanding the difference between LORD which represents YHVH and Lord which is used for Jesus Christ. Do you even know where Sarah called Abraham lord, using Peter writing it's kurion the same term used for Lord Jesus

But using the Hebrew which I refer Genesis 18:12 Sarah says my adonai.

Now if you had understood that Jesus is the husband of the Church would you keep asking me this over and over again?

Expect you want to ask me how Jesus is the husband of the church, if not. If you don't understand my answer stop asking me

FayaBall:
More abuses and insults but answer questions, Mba oooo

the only message I have for you is to repent, to genuinely repent

FayaBall:
More diversions, distractions and any other thing but to clearly and directly answer the questions.

What a pity.

unlike you who false accuse, I am telling you, you're ignoring that you made a mistake, you are ignoring the truth and calling it an insult.

Faya the proud man, the proudest of all, ignore whatever you want and demand whatever you want

FayaBall:
Proof you can't and won't answer the clear and direct question put to you but would quickly resort to diversions, distractions, abuses, insults and any other thing.

Of course, we already know what that means.

continue it's not the first time a child of the devil is an accuser.

Children of God are quick to o, I did this wrong I apologize but to expect such from a unrepentant brood of viper who now wants to speak about God. You started with a foul and a false spirit

FayaBall:
Is this how hard it is to answer a clear and direct question that you resort to speaking to the air?

as long as you know you are the air, are you expecting a better treatment are you that delusional

FayaBall:
This is not an answer to the op's question which is why I spoke.

I saw your trial to respond thereafter.

It is clear you are quick to resort to abuses when you don't like what you see

What I see is someone that is incorrigible and unrepentant you probably feel in your heart there is no God, so how you behave doesn't matter, because if it does you wont come here thinking you can accuse anybody falsely and get away with it if you are not a brood of viper and an unrepentant accuser like the devil. Because after seeing it like you claim, you still choose to accuse me. Go and look for people like that and discuss with them

FayaBall:
Even you saw the lord in small letters for Abraham as different from the Lord which is used in reference to Jesus, so your ground does not hold you.

So the op's question still stands.

Then onto your response to op's second question: "did Jesus not confirm he is coming to Judge?"

And here you are not answering the very clear question but dodging it still.

Look don't think you can come accuse someone falsely and think you can waive it off and have a conservation with them. You are even been more disrespectful, are you sure you're okay.

If you can't clearly admit your own mistake is it scripturally mistake you want to admit. Please don't mention me again.

Nachmonides:
I said I will respond to you on that.

I responded to this one because it is directly related to what Max and I are discussing and I felt I should touch it.

The others I didn't feel like it.

you think you can confuse people by saying restoration is exaltation to mask the fact that Jesus was exalted and honored. Now not because he lacked honor but he was given greater honor but you don't want to accept that Jesus was given greater honor

People are so very easy to deceive because they are so lazy to verify anything because jumping into conclusion.

Dspeaker is confusing or believing that LORD which is YHVH is Jesus, one ball is now bouncing in from someone without even reading.

You won't read, you won't study, the little you hear you run with it even when they try to tell you you're wrong, you are still running

FayaBall:
Come on, your response came after my post

are you sure about that, so I wrote this after you response?

gohf:
1. Lord does not mean God, even Sarah called Abraham lord. Jesus is Lord and husband of the church, his bride.

2. You made a mistake, and quoted the wrong verse but instead of taking correction, you attacked the verse I wrote. Do you think such a person is worth speaking to?

It just shows you just jump from space without reason nor reasoning at all.

Now will you consider yourself wise or foolish

Nachmonides:
Yes I wrote it. What about it?

or you were quick to respond this time, why are you avoiding the other posts 😁😀

FayaBall:
Ah, ah! You have not answered his questions, rather it is looking like you are dodging answering them.

you didn't read this answer or you skip through all of it?
1. Lord does not mean God, even Sarah called Abraham lord. Jesus is Lord and husband of the church, his bride.

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are resorting to the use of anger in your attempt to dodge the very clear questions I put to you.

And this is of course you know that response was my counter to your "Sarah called Abraham lord."

But now you are trying to use it to scatter the discussion so that you would use it to run away from answering the questions I have been asking since yesterday which you are still not answering today which is

1) if Jesus is not God, how then and why then is He called, Lord?

2) And based on your Isaiah 33. Did Jesus not confirm that He is coming to Judge?

So please answer the questions asked, the bold was not even a question.

1. Lord does not mean God, even Sarah called Abraham lord. Jesus is Lord and husband of the church, his bride.

2. Isa.33.22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us. LORD is YHVH

Are you asking if Jesus is coming to Judge the world at the second coming?
Or that Jesus said somewhere he is coming to judge and then he confirmed that he is coming to judge?

And come how did Isaiah 33:22 become my verse, is that not the correct verse of what you misquoted as Isaiah 32:22. And your original conversation is it not something about lawmaker.

kingxsamz:
More reason why the god is not smart. He has the power to do anything but can't do it without destruction and the loss of lives. Okay, so after flooding the earth, did the issue which caused him to send flood disappear?

He protected the garden from Adam but did not do the same to the serpent. A god that isn't smart.

he didn't want man to live past 120years I can say God did just that to our environment because then they lived on average 900yrs and now well 90years is already a blessing

Nachmonides:
+++ Action of Sitting:

Both agree on the command to "sit at My right hand," representing honor, authority, and exaltation.

Nachmonides:
Christ's Preexistence and Divinity: John 1:1-3 declares that Jesus (the Word) was with God and was God, affirming His eternal deity, not a position earned. Philippians 2:6-9 shows that His exaltation after His earthly mission was a restoration of glory, not a promotion beyond His nature.

Christ's Unchanging Nature: Hebrews 13:8 states, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." His divine status was never dependent on earthly achievements.

What do you have to say to these?

Please this is also you that wrote this
"+++ Action of Sitting:

Both agree on the command to "sit at My right hand," representing honor, authority, and exaltation."

Steep:
That is why is God is God, he is beyond man.


Gone from Godhood to personhood you cannot understand English?
Godhood- the state of being God
Personhood- the state of being a person.

it's only you that understands english, infact you by yourself is dictionary.
But somehow you don't even understand how you went from writing godhood to personhod that is why you are responding like this because if you did and this is your response then you are deceiving yourself.

So your answer to the question , "when the man is a judge is he also teaching in the classroom, can he be all three at the same time? Is that God can be three people at the same time yes or no. Don't be cunny at least be straightforward for once.

Nachmonides:
Gohf, I will answer your questions. Give me a few moments.

👍

johnw47:
gohf: try and be a man and show how: "was" in john 1:1 is not correct grammar

look, I am not reading the bunch of nonsense you wrote up there, I can't even do so 😁 but kindly show us WHERE I said WAS is not correct grammar 😊 since this is the basis of your rant

Dtruthspeaker:
You are talking off point and dodging the question I asked

When Sarah called her husband lord you know she was not referring to Jesus Christ.

So I ask again
1) if Jesus is not God, how then and why then is He called, Lord?

2) And based on your Isaiah 33. Did Jesus not confirm that He is coming to Judge?

Are you okay? Is this not what you asked
"See, even you know spelt it "lord" with small letters and not Lord/LORD as is usually used in reference of Jesus.

So, you already know that this answer is invalid as Sarah was not referring to Abraham as Jesus Christ."

Look it's like you have issues, let me speak to you in your disrespectful tone as well, if you had common sense why would you assume every one called a Lord is Jesus?

Next verse they quoted

2Cor.13.14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

Not three persons are mentioned but only one is God, the question remains where did they find Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God, may in the next verse they quoted

Matt.28.19 - Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Matt.28.20 - Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

"not merely three names for one Person." Is what they wrote but here we read from Matthew 28:19 IN THE NAME not nameS, but NAME.

Now neither this third verse as well shows the basis of Deeper Life's believe in the Trinity and claim that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is also God. If God isn't one person with three names then how are three gods one?

When the foundation is rotten the building will collapse.

Someone said that the word of God can be understood even by Children, so the question then is which is easier to believe that there is one true God has it is written who brought forth a son not by procreation but as creator who created all things or to believe that there are three gods who are actually one but one sent the other.

You may say that I am not stating it properly probably because I don't believe in that lie termed trinity, here's what some so called megachurches believe;


Deeper life believe

"That the Godhead consists of three separate, distinct, and recognisable personalities and qualities, perfectly united in one. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are different Persons in the Godhead, not merely three names for one Person.
(Matthew 3:16,17; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Matthew 28:19,20.)

We believe in Trinity that is, three distinct personalities in Godhead, the father, the Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. The father is God, The son is God and the Holy Spirit is God and yet there is one God."

Now let us look at the passages from the Bible they quote to support this believe of three in one God, that is one God that is three persons.

Matt.3.16 - After his baptism, as Jesus came up out of the water, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and settling on him.
Matt.3.17 - And a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, and I am fully pleased with him."

Here deeper life are said to believe that there are three persons here, which is true as we can see from Matthew 3:16-17 they quoted and they say they are different persons and not three names for one person, so there are three people in God or God in three persons.

Now they make a question a statement "The father is God, The son is God and the Holy Spirit is God and yet there is one God." How you mention three persons and three gods and say yet there is one God means there are two others who are false gods. Is the father the false god or the son or the spirit, this is not a statement of believe but of doubt.

I read the statement to someone, "The father is God, The son is God and the Holy Spirit is God and yet there is one God."

And the question is, how is there one God?

The statement of trinity creates doubt that there is one true God

Nachmonides:
Christ's Preexistence and Divinity: John 1:1-3 declares that Jesus (the Word) was with God and was God, affirming His eternal deity, not a position earned. Philippians 2:6-9 shows that His exaltation after His earthly mission was a restoration of glory, not a promotion beyond His nature.

Christ's Unchanging Nature: Hebrews 13:8 states, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." His divine status was never dependent on earthly achievements.

What do you have to say to these?

by this your believe you nullify the fact and truth that Jesus was rewarded. So Jesus was not promoted according to you.

So Jesus who was given a name above every other name under God was not rewarded but restored back to glory..

Now tell us what was Jesus's name before he was given a name, that at the mention of his name... you know the rest? And secondly why that name wasn't given since he had the name ever since, why was it a promise from God. Did God lie and hide salvation while men suffered.

If the lamb according to Revelation had already collected the book and overcome the serpent, why wait four thousand years.

Do you know what someone who heard you u guys lies said to me on this nairaland because of people like you, that god is dumb, why wait thousands of years.


You will run away, but for the sake of others, let me ask you

Christ's nature is unchanging yet you believe Christ is god, so did God die on the cross? This is one of the questions that came from someone else as well.

If Christ doesn't change them he came as god and died as god and returned back to being a god?

"His divine status was never dependent on earthly achievements."

So Christ didn't have to obeyed God

Steep:
you are still not getting it, if a Man is a doctor, a father and a teacher does that mean doctor, father and teacher are what makes up that man? I am not saying that is what what the Trinity is, but just as you cannot say a man that is in different positions or offices is made up of those office or position so also, the father, Son, and holy spirit are persond of the one God.

the answer to your question is YES, the man is a doctor, a father and a teacher, a professor in medicine possible is who He is based on his severally degrees and experiences.

So the son is an office and the Holy Spirit is an office and the Father is an office which one person God has, now is God in heaven or on earth?

If you say both or avoid my questions like you and your fellows do, hope others can see your nonsense. If you say both, then God is on earth, so why does scripture say God is coming if He is already here?

If you say He is coming in a different office, then does He occupy three offices at the same time or nullify the others with his complete presence?

If He doesn't and occupies all three, how does He do it, as one God or as three different persons?

If you say one, then that means He nullifies the rest

If you say three it means God isn't one but three and If God is three why then do you insist that God is one?

Is it because God himself said He alone is God? But you believe He is three and since you cannot be lying then you mix it into that, three gods you believe in are one?

Nachmonides:
Thank you for your detailed responses as always.

I have read all that you have written and I must confess, you haven't addressed the issues I presented. Forgive me if I failed to see them if you have. I wrote about how scriptures tells us about the pre-existence, divinity, uniqueness of sonship, and the position he was exalted to that could never have been something beyond his nature; If truly he is God.


These are the thoughts I conveyed in my last text.
Please can you touch on them focusing on them without digression?

not to come into a conversation I wasn't following but your statement "the position he was exalted to that could never have been something beyond his nature; If truly he is God."

Are you saying Jesus was exalted because he is a god?

Steep:
The diagram is clear, it says that God is the father, God is the Son and God is the holy ghost but however the father is not the Son neither the Son the holy ghost. Like saying the man is the teacher, judge, and father but father is not the same as teacher neither the same as judge. In the case of Trinity we are not talking of positions or offices but rather personhood.

the question is, when the man is a judge is he also teaching in the classroom, can he be all three at the same time?


You guys have gone from Godhood to personhod. Okay so they are all the same person?
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SonofElohim1379:
The Word (Yeshua) is God

No need for useless back and forth as the Scripture has made it quite clear that even a little child will understand.

you lie against scripture making that you people's nonsense about trinity clear, and NO child who reads the bible would believe that's why you all have to come up with numerous different ways to hide a lie by corrupting what is actually written

DaddyCoool:
Nope. "Unverified info of wars going on" is clearly what the Bible meant.
Today either there is a war or there is not! There are no "rumors of wars"!
In biblical times there were rumors of wars because information traveled very slowly and hard to verify. Not so at all today

you mean like the "cold war" between USA and Russia. Was it ever confirmed?

Was there not one about North Korea one time like

johnw47:
It's very clear and straight forward what I said



my post was not about john 8:58 or "I am"
and john 8:58 doesn't show "was" to be wrong @ john 1:

trying to understand grammar is for when it suits the lies you sporut even going ahead as to mix things up

again, my post was not about; - if Jesus is God or not,
but about; - "was" being correct grammar for john 1:1



so you mix past tense with present.
as I already said; that's ok with me,
and the word; "was" is proper grammar for john 1:1
show how it is not

I didn't mix anything you did, so change that you to an I for yourself

Here's what you wrote"past tense is not present tense:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning (past tense) was "is" the Word (present tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was "is" God (present tense)."

both words; "Theon" and "Theos" means God,
in john 1:1 it's "Theon" for Father, and "Theos" for the Word.

'Theos' is used in john for "the Word", and 'Theos' is also used in new testament scripture for "the Father",

only in your head and those who believes the lie of the devil that you believe Theos is the Word

but stop running away from the subject, show that the word 'was' is not correct grammar @ john 1:1
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

look at you patheticly deceiving yourself that I ranaway from the subject you are clearing quoting my answer, are you not confused like this. "I should show that was is not correct" did I tell you that "was" is not correct. What kind of confused human is this for Christ sakes, were you not the one mentioning "is" and "will be" going on about past present and future, all in your attempt to show that the Word is God and not the Word was God

Here's what you wrote
"past tense is not present tense:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning (past tense) was "is" the Word (present tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was "is" God (present tense)."

false accuser like the devil, quote where I gave misinterpretation:
Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.



oh duh, so dum
"the Word" is nominative/the person Who is the subject in the sentence:
the Word was with God

"God" is accusative/the person that the subject refers to:
the Word was with God

and what has that to do with: "was", being correct grammar or not:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.



I didn't post a "present tense" example
I posted "past tense is not present tense" , and what you quoted is not what I posted, oh deceiver

you have already shown in your post to be a false accuser like the devil,
and here you have also shown to be a liar like the devil:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.



such confusion and running away from a very simple subject,
you cannot even accept that "was" is correct grammar for john 1:1
and your ego has you all over the place in denying such a simple truth:
1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

running away from truth is cowardly:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

In the beginning was the word and the word was with 'ton Theon' and 'Theos' was the word

According to you people's misinterpretion because you don't know the difference between an accusative noun and a normative noun,.... you can even say "God was the word"

Where is the false accusation, don't you believe that Jesus is God because the word was God something you are still stating yet you call it a false accusation. Or are you denying yourself in your confusion

Quoting Rev 12:10 shows that you are a brood of viper, the very verses already states the truth, the kingdom of God and the authority of HIS Christ. Jesus belongs to God, he is HIS word and not God the son or God the word or whatever nonsense you twist revelation and truth to be.

Your own words accuse you, defile you and condemn you before God.

This is what I wrote: Funny how John 1:1 WAS God and not is 😁

And This is the nonsense you wrote as part of your response
"past tense is not present tense:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning (past tense) was "is" the Word (present tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was "is" God (present tense)."

You jumped into a conversation without understanding, I responded to you and in your foolishness, believing in your heart there is no one true God.

This is what you wrote
past tense is not present tense:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning (past tense) was "is" the Word (present tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was "is" God (present tense).


Look being a liar and bringing our verses that show you to be a lie, and even verses that condemned you for your lies, shows that you don't and won't have an excuse. You want to win a debate at the expense of your own soul.

My purpose is to show solely from God's word that God never lied, He is God alone and Jesus is His Son.

When the devil used the Nicene creed to corrupt and fight the church, Christ Jesus knew before hand and sent his letters and warnings to the church.

Whether you believe Jesus is God because the word was God shows you are ignorant of God's word. And then trying to use English even further showed your ignorance. Leaving Greek aside.

You believe John wrote the word WAS God, but then who IS he Jesus, the word of God, he is the son of the living God and not God the son.

God is not a title He is YHVH.

SonofElohim1379:
The Word (Yeshua) is God

No need for useless back and forth as the Scripture has made it Quiet clear that even a little child will understand.

which scripture? Is it the one of God or of Satan.

When faced with the truth you choose to run from it like darkness flesh from light

SonofElohim1379:
Okay what does this say ?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with
God

1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


Still confused?

never asked you what it says nor did I tell you I was confused.

Before you joined the conversation you should have at least read what has previously been postedbut instead you are jumping from one thing to another like a confused human being.

DaddyCoool:
"You people" raised him from the dead to be worshipped as God??
Na wa for you o

changing the purpose for a thing is what devil is good at