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sonmvayina you answered two people the same words but adding ode and olodo to one, why is that 😲😅

tctrills:
Your short answer is that these men of old followed the ways God through their intelligence and not through revelation?
Are you saying that with just our intelligence and without revelation, man can discover the one true God, know his ways and serve him?

Your last point is that until the coming of the law, men did not know right from wrong. But then what happened to Adam and Eve when they ate the fruit?

first off all like I wrote, God, "he gave them the intelligence" and I also stated that God revealed to them, "if God didn't rebuke men when he see they are wrong or about to go wrong they won't know"

So your first question is NO, that's not my answer, and also to your second question as well.


For your third question I wrote, "until the laws came through Moses most didn't realize what they did was wrong" and not like you understood it to be that men didn't know right from wrong and that's why we have intelligence and know what pain is.

Realizing and admitting that what you are doing is wrong is different from knowing right from wrong and besides the fruit Adam and Eve ate did give that to them, it just brought them death. God already told Adam what was wrong to do. God's word and revelation is what gives us the ability to discern but if man doesn't listen, it is akin to rejecting wisdom and remaining a fool.

Nnamdipapa:
Pastors have used the same fear to enrich themselves.

Hell kor, hell ni.

If you like, continue living in bandage.

law enforcers have also used prison threats to enrich themselves but you who has never seen a prison does that mean it is not real.

danvon:
Because the very idea of hell is unrealistic...

Christianity is a slave religion, it was marketed for slaves who were suffering and being oppressed by their masters...

The slaves didn't have the strength or courage to physically fight back and free themselves, they couldn't take proper revenge, so they turned to psychological revenge...

That is how the idea of heaven and hell originated, the slaves would enjoy riches and power (they never had) in heaven while their oppressors would burn and scream in hell for all eternity.

Only a bitter, frustrated and petty soul would invent such a place.

Jesus himself forgave his enemies with his dying breath, that illustrates how noble Jesus was. He was very far from Christianity.

Is it okay that you psychologically and logically analyzed the origin of hell and heaven but leave out if not justice should exist or not.

You claim the idea of hell is unrealistic and you are right, your idea of hell is very unrealistic.

One you claim it was marketed to slaves? What then did those who "market" it to them gain? Loyal slaves? Do you think men are all fools because they suffer?


"The slaves didn't have the strength or courage to physically fight back and free themselves, they couldn't take proper revenge, so they turned to psychological revenge" this shows you lack knowledge of history, do you know how many times slaves has fought, how some have won and some have lost. Even at the heart of some of those victories were as a result of the very book called bible where the Christianity you mention as a slave religion actually brought liberation to a lot.

Now because people use the truth for a lie doesn't mean the truth is a lie, even common sense would tell you that.

While would, "Only a bitter, frustrated and petty soul would invent such a place."

It is only those who enjoy the benefits of oppression that would feel this way, why? Is it a crime to cry out for justice, to wish for it, to dream for it but you not only deny their cries but you call them bitter, frustrated and petty soul. Only a hopeless person in bondage can write such words as you have.

And though you claim such nonsense as it being a slave religion, you say Jesus forgave his enemies isn't that also the lie slave traders used to surpress the cries for justice.

And note Jesus didn't forgive his enemies, he forgave those who were ignorant. YHVH said seat till I crush all your enemies till they become your footstoll.

You think the Jews were forgiven go and read what Jesus said to them and what occured in 70AD, you think Judas was forgiven. How you seat and assume that punishment for wickedness is unrealistic can only come from a heart who is hopeless towards such and as sided with the benefits of wickedness

LordReed:
Because it isn't real and just a psychological trick to keep you invested in the religion. Islam has the threat of killing you, Christianity has the threat of hell, all in a bid to make sure you don't leave.

if police offers extorts from you by threatening you with jail does that mean jails and prisons arent real?

cc Queengee

Queengee:
When I was young used to be very scared of hell especially when in church and the preacher narrated the horrors of hell, but now things have changed . I don't know maybe because eyes has seen many things in three decades of my existence, really don't get scared of hell fire anymore , anytime someone or pastors talk about it it sounds like every other takes to me, I think something is wrong with me, does anyone here now feel the same way ? Men of God in the house please how can I go back to my former self and start believing hell is real

believing hell is real won't save anyone.
Instead of believing hell is real, believe God and his son are real, repent and turn to them and believe in the kingdom of God.

The fear of God is what we need not to fear of hell, because the fear of hell will not save us but at least the fearful reverence towards God will give us wisdom that saves us, which is the gospel God's power and wisdom to save us.

So instead of going back to your former self why not take a step and become who God wants you to be in Christ because we can't save ourselves from hell even if we want to and try to, it's Jesus whom God sent that can save those God sends to him.

And if you are of God you don't need to be afraid of the coming judgement or hell do you? You will be built up and the gates of hell shall not prevail against you.

tctrills:
Noah, Abraham, Melchizedek, and the rest all lived before the law was given to Moses. What laws did they obey?

God YHVH has been our judge since before the mosaic laws and even for those who did not have the mosaic law

Rom.2.14 - Even when Gentiles(the uncircumcised), who do not have God's written law, instinctively follow what the law says, they show that in their hearts they know right from wrong.
Rom.2.15 - They demonstrate that God's law is written within them, for their own consciences either accuse them or tell them they are doing what is right.

To Noah and Abraham who were recorded as righteous, Noah among the wicked men of his day probably didn't go around hurting people and was chosen to save lives. Abraham believed God, and showed himself to be compassionate to interceed and intervene when Sodom, were lot who left Abraham was, was under threat of destruction.

So even though God hadn't written his law into the hearts of men, he gave them the intelligence and conscience to be able to tell what is evil and wickedness, because we all feel pain and know what we hate so why do so to others as well. But many of their hearts insisted on going for their own pleasures.

Abram said, Sarai say you are my sister because I fear that the men of this place do not fear God and may kill me to have you. God had to rebuke Pharaoh who knew what was wrong but was ignorant of his own mistakes, not because there was an established law in that regard but because good men have said it was wrong to take what belonged to others. Remember Job who lived before Moses.

Joseph learnt of his Father's anger towards Reuben and didn't sleep with Potiphars wife.

Jacobs sons killed men because of their anger they claimed was justified but Jacob saw it as wrong and evil what they did, so you see that until the laws came through Moses most didn't realize what they did was wrong, that's why Paul explained that the laws reveal our sins. So if God didn't rebuke men when he see they are wrong or about to go wrong they won't know and some even when they get to know they still disobey and continue anyway.

Janosky:

Nah so their brains dey function to deceive them.
The last sentence "was Theos" is the last sentence of Acts 28:6 & John 1:1.

Theos is not capitalized when that being referenced in the verse is not God Almighty, for instance Psalm77:13 & Acts 28:6, Acts 12:21-23

okay just looking at the Greek text of Acts 28:6 where theon is used so as to refer to Paul as a god meanwhile in Acts 12:22 theos is used for Herod to reference that his voice was like god's. I have tried to explain here to some of them that theos in John 1:1 was John writing that the word belong to God, that is, the word was God's and is still God's for Jesus is God's word but they insist theos/theou and theon like used later in Acts 12:23 are both the same.


I believe most translator kept with the capitalization for Jesus because the commonly accepted belief is that Jesus is God and to oppose it is heresy and which major organization would do such without expecting to be persecuted or spoke against.


I heard of a Greek text translator centuries ago who was manipulated into adding Father, word and Holy Ghost into 1John5:7 whereas his first translation lacked it as he didn't find any Greek text that contained the phrase, but he later added the phrase as insisted and manipulated by the church.

So people being deceived is because we forget that the truth like every valuable thing isn't easy to get.

ThatWriterBoy:
This makes sense sir. Thank you.

we thank God 🥂

There are many who are offended by the truth, so they twist, try to explain it away or find fault in it, and said among them are all those who once claimed or still claim to believe it

Matt.11.6 And blessed is he who is not offended because of Me."

Are you offended by the truth because it doesn't meet your expectations?

Hallelujah

dominique:
The first 2 photos look AI generated

hmm, hopefully after it's all over we will hear a higher number of houses spared

gaby:
That second picture ain't no church, please. That's a residence.

right it looks like that guy's house who was crying and saying it while wearing that face mask on tiktok

Sirmwill:
In the crisis that would touch the whole world in these last days, only "Churches" that are built on the teachings of Christ alone will stand.
The buildings and then the humans(the actual church)

The rest will fall

you are taking the whole body of Christ to be some physical material building that would stand.

Even the Jewish temples didn't stand but the body of Christ resurrects.

Sirmwill:
The evidence is there, it's only churches that were not affected.
If one other building (just a single one) was also not affected there, we could have concluded otherwise.
That's the evidence

actually there's someone who on tiktok shared white weeping that his house was spared, they showed the house but gosh all his neighbors homes were in ashes.

Literally looking like few spares many destroyed

Botragelad:
Why are you cherry-picking data to fit your narrative?. Just because the church survived the fire doesn't mean it's a miracle. It's likely due to its construction materials/design.

If we apply Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is that the church was built with fire-resistant materials, whereas the surrounding homes were not. That's not a divine intervention, is it? Just basic physics and architecture.

Again, if god were indeed responsible for sparing the church, why did he not prevent the fire from occurring in the first place? Or, at the very least, why did he not protect the surrounding homes and businesses?

Can you provide any evidence to support the claim that the church's survival was a divine miracle, rather than a result of its physical properties?

not to comment on everything you have said here as the questions are not directed to me.

I agree with you, "Just because the church survived the fire doesn't mean it's a miracle. It's likely due to its construction materials/design."

Now I don't know if it was God or not, but I do know God can do such things and maybe He did, maybe He didn't. What I do believe is nothing happens without God's knowledge and there are probably genuinely good children of God whose houses or business were burnt as well.

mariovito:
https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2025/17-january/news/world/churches-destroyed-in-california-wildfires

What say you about the numerous others razed to the ground?

maybe those ones are fake 🤥😋

ThatWriterBoy:
Hello all!
Like I said in my last post, this year, I would like to read the entire Bible and right now, I'm almost done with Genesis. However, there's something that concerns me.
Everybody says Genesis was written by Moses (the popular claim is that the first 5 books of the Bible have Moses as their author), but how can we be sure?
1. Was Moses present during the events that happened in the book, or were they just Hebrew oral traditions that were passed down all through the times and Moses just happened to be the one that finally put it to writing (remember they were slaves for 430 years in Egypt)?
2. And sometimes it seems like more than one person is talking in Genesis. For example...
Genesis 26:34-35;
" At the age of forty, Esau married two Hittite wives: Judith, the daughter of Beeri, and Basemath, the daughter of Elon. But Esau’s wives made life miserable for Isaac and Rebekah."
Genesis 28:6-9;
" Esau knew that his father, Isaac, had blessed Jacob and sent him to Paddan-Aram to find a wife and that he had warned Jacob, “You must not marry a Canaanite woman.” He also knew that Jacob had obeyed his parents and gone to Paddan-Aram. It was now very clear to Esau that his father did not like the local Canaanite women. So Esau visited his uncle Ishmael’s family and married one of Ishmael’s daughters, in addition to the wives he already had. His new wife’s name was Mahalath. She was the sister of Nebaioth and the daughter of Ishmael, Abraham’s son."
Genesis 36:1-3;
"This is the account of the descendants of Esau (also known as Edom). Esau married two young women from Canaan: Adah, the daughter of Elon the Hittite; and Oholibamah, the daughter of Anah and granddaughter of Zibeon the Hivite. He also married his cousin Basemath, who was the daughter of Ishmael and the sister of Nebaioth."

If Moses was the only one writing, did he somehow forget the names of Esau's wives? From chapters 26 and 28, we can see Esau had three wives, Judith, Basemath and Mahalath. But in chapter 36 we see Adah, Oholibamah and Basemath. In fact, their names are different.



In 28, we see his cousin's name was Mahalath, but in 36 it says her name was Basemath. In 26 Basemath is the daughter of Elon, but in 36 the daughter of Elon is Adah. And what's the relationship between Judith in 26 and Oholibamah in 36? Where did that one come from? How can you see all these and say Genesis was the work of one man Moses?

I must applaud you for finding this out

Okay so in Genesis 26:34 Esau has two wives Judith and Basemath
Then on Genesis 28:9 Esau take a third wife inorder to appease his parents, Maeleth (Machalath don't mind the translation)

But as you said in Genesis 36
4th wife Adah, the daughter of Aelom the Chettite; and Olibema, his fifth wife daughter of Ana the son of Sebegon, the Evite;

3. and Basemath, daughter of Ismael, sister of Nabaioth.

Now I understand that you feel they are the same person, but does it say Esau has only three wives? And the same person can't have different fathers right? So apart from the common case of marrying a cousin which could be the same person of both, I don't see why those hitties and Canaanites, the other wives are the same

It is possible that the wives married later gave birth to the nation called Edom
Genesis 28:9 Ishmael has daughterS

Someone may say it's the same lady having two different names, that's possible but let's focus on the fact that. Esau married first at the age of 40, and the next record of his marriage was after his father Isaac had died. If we are to calculate the age Jacob left to get married he was way older than 40. Now have you considered the possibility that Esau's first wives didn't bear children, it's not like such case was rare in their family.


Now about your first question Joseph was a prime minister in Egypt and Joseph learnt a lot from Jacob who had probably meet Abraham who was alive when Noah also was alive. Now why did I mention Joseph, Joseph had wisdom and there was probably literature and writing in existence and most likely made records of all he had heard and learnt, records that Moses who by God's arrangement would have read.

Remember Moses grew in Pharaoh's house as one of the princes of Egypt, his access to information and their library was highly possible.


Secondly God reveals, we are taking about a man whom God used to conquer a Nation has great as UK, US or China in modern terms and literally crippled them physically financially and military wise with powers beyond human.


Now God spoke audible to hundreds of thousands of Israelites, do you think He couldn't tell Moses what to write concerning the book of Genesis and what to leave out of it.

And yes the Torah isn't solely written by Moses, Joshua is said to have completed it and maybe future scribes edited it, but the copied versions we have now is only slightly different from the Septuagint which is the oldest known direct translation of the Hebrew text to a foreign language, Greek.

gohf:
Why you really don't want to believe in God is because you want to do wicked things and get away with it.

To believe in God is to believe His word, which says love and do what is right.

What is the purpose of saying God doesn't exist, it is to challenge his words and say there is no need to do what he says.

Question, if you hate what is right or hate to do what is right why do u feel a need to be right or feel right?


I don't have to do good to anyone after all I don't believe in some reward for doing it. I can do whatever benefits me even if it's selfish and wicked and get away with it, because there is definitely no hell or punishment for my wickedness.


"I don't believe in God" but I believe in doing good, bro don't deceive yourself, it is God's command to do good, to love and to do what is right and not evil."

God is good, if there is no God there is no good, as long as there is good there is God. Just as there is evil, there is good.

You say you believe in good and not in God, you are confused, you say you believe in love but not in God, you are also confused.

What do you think love is, to get what you want? That's lust. Love is to give, even when it goes against self and is sacrificial, it gives for the sake of good.

We don't pay to exist yet we don't believe that out of Love came the existence we have received. We received life freely yet do not believe in the free gift of God.

Abeg make it make sense

John.3.16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is born of God and knows God. But anyone who does not love does not know God--for God is love. (1John 4:7-

MaxInDHouse:
He was willing to die for his friends who have the same line of thought with him {John 10:11; 15:13} so he commanded his disciples to love one another the same way {John 13:34-35} because unselfish love is rare among humans!

Wow you also seemed to have a reason to say something it doesn't matter if it is right as long as it isn't your own kind of right or it isn't coming from you.

If it's true, no, it must be my own version in my own words about what I believe and how I see it. It's probably not what you say but the Spirit and intention behind what you say that brings a lot of negative reactions towards you

There are many who are offended by the truth, so they twist, try to explain it away or find fault in it, and said among them are all those who once claimed or still claim to believe it

Matt.11.6 And blessed is he who is not offended because of Me."

Are you offended by the truth because it doesn't meet your expectations?

gohf:
Workers of iniquity are those who present "false images".
False images either of themselves or of God. So iniquity is falsehood, especially when a "minister" is after protecting his own image rather than presenting or representing the true image of God.

A false image is idolatry, scripture states that stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry, drawing a similarity between the three. A person who is stubborn is unwilling, meaning they know the way but are unwilling to walk that way, so though they may have accepted the way, they are unwilling to walk that way and go according to God's will.
[b]They seek to create "another" will in the way, a bending of the path to suit them. So what they present isn't an image that was the original.

Iniquity can be born out of ignorance, ignorance of not knowing or acknowledging the truth. It is different from sin, which in Hebrew sin depicts moving away from the path, iniquity means mischief, wickedness, unrighteousness, unjust, in Hebrew Avon with root word which means to twist or distort. And to distort is to lie, to make false, to twist a thing into something else. Like the devil twisted scripture so as to get Jesus jumpimg off a mountain.

Workers of iniquity ain't (just) those who are worldly or sinners who live by the way of the world, these are those who claim to know the Lord, heard his teachings, not only proclamations or preachings that announces Jesus, but his teachings as well

Matthew 7:22 states what they would even do; Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
Matt.7.23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. who don't do my Father's will v.21

Luke.13.26 - You will say, 'But we ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.'
Luke.13.27 - And he will reply, 'I tell you, I don't know you. Go away, all you who do evil.'

Not that any of these are bad, for they are signs that follow the believers, but whom did these things or signs glorify? Did you practice what Jesus taught, did you obey?

Matthew 7:20, by their fruits you shall know them. Not by their works.

We are asked to love others, teach them, baptize them, make disciples, but these things they didn't mention. For these things focus on God and glorify God.

Iniquity is false image, false appearance, it is hypocrisy that Jesus spoke woes upon, it is what he hates. That's why Jesus said get away from me I do not know u, or spits them out, they didn't fully do what's expected of them, they were neither cold nor hot, neither here nor there. So though they prophesied, and cast out demons they kept people in bondage by their lies and falsehood, bondage to idolatry and man worship, where people did not know the truth nor were they set free.

Didn't even the Pharisees prophesy and cast out demons, did they not hear his teachings. When people are drawn to you not by God and not to God, then there's iniquity and idolatry at work.

When we look at modern day "idols" we see people after the worship and adoration of other humans. Idols things or beings people desire after. When you don't provoke people to desire after God, whoever or whatever you're presenting or representing is iniquity. People become fornicators and unfaithful to God, they forsake their first love instead of forsaking the love of money, of things of the world and the love of the world.

Sacrifices, offerings is nothing compared to obeying God. Mark 12:29-34

Some even disobey God with the plan to give an offering big enough to obtain forgiveness. Any sacrifice or service done after disobedience will be rejected, as work of iniquity. You cannot do your will and except God to accept it. Saul did go the way God sent him but he did not obey God fully, not in all things, he put his will before God's, his glory above His. All those who do this will be rejected as well.

Isaiah 32:6 For the vile person will speak villainy, and his heart will work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

work iniquity, is to practice hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD to be wicked to the poor and oppress those beneath you.

There teachings are lies and false and point not to God. There ways don't show love to anyone, instead of filling souls up they dry them up. Violence is their path and on their tongues and thoughts, Hosea 6:8, Isaiah 59:4-16

There purpose is not to feed the people but eat them up, collect from them till they run dry. Psalms 53:4 Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called on God.

They are false and represent falsehood

Psalms 28:3 Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbors, but mischief is in their hearts.

They speak good words, but in their hearts is iniquity and mischief, in their hearts is a desire to fulfill their own dreams and imaginations.


To all reading this, listen to what the Spirit is saying to you, whatever you are doing that is not in line with God's will for your life, do not assume that because you have heard of Jesus or attend the most word empowering teaching message that it gives you leeway to disobey or that God will accept whatever work you present to Him, the same God that consumed Nadab and Abihu is the same one that killed Ananias and Sapphira, is still alive and living and hasn't changed. If you do not want to be consumed or rejected, listen to the warning given to Cain, if you do that which is right in my sight you will be accepted.

Peace to the righteous

No one calls for justice nor cares about being honest; no one pleads a case with integrity. They rely on empty arguments, they utter lies; they conceive mischief and give birth to iniquity. They hatch the eggs of vipers and spin a spider’s web. Whoever eats their eggs will die, and when one is broken, a serpent is born. Their cobwebs are useless for clothing; they cannot cover themselves with their works. Their works are works of Iniquity, evil and wickedness, and acts of violence are in their hands. Their feet rush into sin; they are swift to shed innocent blood. They pursue evil schemes; destroyed lives mark their ways.

The way of peace they do not know[b]; there is no justice in their paths. [b]They have turned them into crooked roads; no one who walks along them will know peace. So justice is far from us, and righteousness does not reach us. We look for light, but all is darkness; for brightness, but we walk in deep shadows.
It is because of all this evil that deliverance is far from us and we aren’t finding God’s blessings; that’s why God doesn’t punish those who injure us. No wonder we are in darkness when we expected light. No wonder we are walking in the gloom.


Like the blind we grope along the wall, feeling our way like people without eyes. At midday we stumble as if it were twilight; among the strong, we are like the dead. We all growl like bears; we moan mournfully like doves. We look for justice, but find none; for deliverance, but it is far away. You look for God to keep you, but he doesn’t. He has turned away.

For our offenses are many in your sight, and our sins testify against us. Our offenses are ever with us, and we acknowledge our iniquities: rebellion and treachery against the Lord, turning our backs on our God, inciting rebellion and extortion, uttering lies our hearts have conceived. So justice is driven back, and righteousness stands at a distance; truth has stumbled in the streets, honesty cannot enter. Truth is nowhere to be found, and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey. The Lord looked and was displeased that there was no justice. He saw that there was no one, he was appalled that there was no one to intervene; so his own arm achieved salvation for him, and his own righteousness sustained him. {Isaiah 59: 4 - 16}

gohf:
At times we have heard people say they didn't think before they speak, what they said may not have come from their thought but it definitely came from a defiled heart filled with unclean spirits. When our words destroy(what is good) than give life, we are not children of God but those of vipers, for Jesus said in John 6:63 his words are Spirit and life. So do what we say bring life to others, or death to them, their progress, their relationships.

God doesn't like gossipers, they are like grasshoppers and crickets, hooping around and making noise disturbing peace.

Proverbs 6:16-19; These six things the Lord hates, indeed, seven are an abomination to Him: A proud look [the spirit that makes one overestimate himself and underestimate others], a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that manufactures wicked thoughts and plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.

This scripture shows that God hates those who look down on others to lie, make up stories and are quick to swear falsely against others and sow discord. No gossiper aims for peace but division.

What we say can either bring us judgement or favor, blessing or curse, either to ourselves or to others. That's why while we guard what we say, we must also guard against those who speak to us. What if Eve never listened to the serpent?

We live in a communication age where numerous rumours and gossips spread, filling people with hate or fear, how we handle what our ears hear affects even our faith, for faith comes by hearing Romans 10:17. If we are not careful to discern what we hear about God or others in the present world, we may be led astray without knowing it.

God wants us to be so careful about what we say that there is a command against false accusation, Exodus 20:16; 23:1 you shall not raise a false report nor bear false witness. If you are not sure about something keep quiet about it, even if others speak about it.

Exod.20.16 - "Do not testify falsely against your neighbor.

Exod.23.1 - "Do not pass along false reports. Do not cooperate with evil people by telling lies on the witness stand.
Exod.23.2 - "Do not join a crowd that intends to do evil. When you are on the witness stand, do not be swayed in your testimony by the opinion of the majority.
Exod.23.3 - And do not slant your testimony in favor of a person just because that person is poor.

Padipadi:
You should be asked such question because you have contradicted yaself many times.

you would have pointed out the contradictions instead of being a false accuser like your fellows

GothamCities:
Angel Michael?

Lol!

so you have a veil because of angel michael

Nachmonides:
Haha. I'll soon unfollow this thread because it's been the same old, nonsensical, unwise, sensual, devilish, responses I've been witnessing from you JWs.

Here's my conclusion: Do the study yourself, don't believe all I've said or anybody here has said, compile the odd evidences of Trinity in scripture yourself, consult the original Hebrew and Greek depending on the book you're studying in time. Come to a conclusion for yourself based on the God-given senses you have. God actually expects we utilise our senses in reading and studying scriptures; scripture say we should "Study...", and studying is brain work, but not just that, like the Apostle Paul says, pray for the "eyes" of your understanding to be enlightened, so that you may know.


13/01/'25
20:56
- N, your brother in Christ.

you can't just make a claim lie about it, make those who ever believed in your nonsense wait for you then run away like I already said you would do.

But then I guess it's you so I shouldn't be surprised by now by this

Bye-bye

GothamCities:
You don't event understand the scriptures!

Why did Paul say "That I may know Him..." Is it because the veil is still in tact?

and the power of his resurrection, you that understands scripture who is Paul referring to?

jesusjnr2020:
Meanwhile a man whose house miraculously was untouched by the fire credited it to God.

wow what a miracle, glory to our Father in heaven

Nachmonides:
Are you human? - Yes
Am I human? - Yes

Am I you? - No
Are you me? - No

We share the same essence, but we are different persons.

truthspeaker10 come and see the programming has come 😏

DaddyCoool:
What you are doing right now is what Jews were doing that led them to reject Christ. They were being shown evidence right before their eyes that this was the Messiah but they were obsessed with minutae of words written in a book.
These words you're obsessed with, you don't know what they went through to get to you WHY the Bible is meant to be taken as a whole NOT cherrypicking verses

How many times was Christ worshipped in the Bible? Did he ever reject worship? How many times was he called God? Did he ever reject it? How many times did he infer himself as God? Didn't he forgive sins? Say he's one with the Father, etc.

Above all these is evidence of history -it has now been over 2000 years. People worshipping Jehovah as/with Christ have been blessed, multiplied, prospered, and gotten stronger. Johovah always destroyed people like those
So unless you're saying Jehovah has become powerless doesn't care, Christ is God

don't worry when the false Christ who claims to be God comes accept him oh, because God made the likes of you delusional seeing as you have rejected the truth

DaddyCoool:
Oga here's what you're told to do:

School us.
Mention one instance in OT where Jehovah allowed anybody to be worshiped together with him or as him even for a month.

Never mind that he himself also raised this person from dead!

Well you said one instance though this may not count as worshipped for one month but certainly isn't being worshipped as a god

1Chr.29.20 Then David said to all the assembly, "Now bless the LORD your God." So all the assembly blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed their heads and prostrated themselves before the LORD and the king.

Steep:
That is the right word it does not mean he is no longer God.
God does not change.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

so Jehovah is Jesus, 😏 interesting