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DaddyCoool:
Can't you see he can ONLY be God. God has no son or you'd be talking of wife, mother, etc (as in Roman gods). "Son of God" can only mean an extention of God (unlike, say, a prophet), a manifestation of God, God himself!

so when God created and made the world and the animals, he needed a wife?

GothamCities:
My sister, they're the manifestation of the same Person, God. You can't say God knows and Jesus does not know. They're not independent of each other. Just imagine it in the line of your spirit and soul and body.

have you ever communicated with your soul before?

SIRTee15:
This is a straw man argument.
The debate here is about validity of trinity.

If I show U from the ancient Jewish scriptures that the logos is a person and created the universe, would U accept it?

That's my question.

now thing would be interesting
I am wondering where you will find the monkey you want to pull out of your straw hat and dazzle everyone

DaddyCoool:
See my previous answer. The Father is unseeable except as a manifestation (the Son)

and yet Jesus said blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God

LordReed:
There is no evidence of a who being responsible for the Big Bang. As for what that is currently unknown.

so technically you believe in the unknown because you have no evidence for it

So why do you wasting your time and maybe others by asking for evidence when you clearly don't need it

GothamCities:
I didn't see any question that I've not answered. Your question was premises on the devil coming from everlasting which I already debunked.

God is the only person who has no beginning in the entire universe. So what are you questioning again?

you debunked your head, because it's your imagination you're responding to

This is what I wrote in passing among the words "So is the devil also god or he didn't come from ancient times?"


What does God having no beginning have to do with Jesus you claim is God because you only accept the interpretation of that verse has Jesus came from everlasting.

Wait you would have said God Almighty Creator of the heavens and earth came from everlasting, you will now explain to us what everlasting is that God came from.

God is from everlasting to everlasting, He is the beginning and the end.

LordReed:
That "someone" didn't cause it doesn't make it of "no origin". Also I don't "believe" in the Big Bang, I don't need to since there is evidence for it.

so you dont believe in things that there's evidence for

So kindly do tell, what or who is the origin of the big bang

MaxInDHouse:
Well whatever name you call yourself just make sure you join a group of evangelizers to do the work Jesus assigned to his disciples.

I'm 100% sure you can't find such elsewhere except among Jehovah's Witnesses.

So call yourself whatever you want.

hmmm I believe God children are everywhere and they hear His word and follow him

DaddyCoool:
OK, if Christ is not God, what is he?

which one is what is he? Is he an animal place or thing?

Who is he? Christ is Jesus our Lord, who came in the flesh, lived and died for those who believe and obey God that they will have eternal life and rose from the dead with his body and is at the right hand of God interceding for us and has sent his Holy Spirit to us, after teaching God's word to the apostles and followers for many year. He is the son of man prophecied in scripture and the son of God who is coming back after the antichrist has been revealed to establish the millennial kingdom before eternity begins.

LordReed:
Nope, it didn't need someone to cause it.

so good you understand so answer the question "which of the two do you believe big bang of no origin or the flood"

MaxInDHouse:
The truth is there is no sense in arguing without having anything to do with a team of evangelizers the word "CHRISTIANS" written in the Bible connotes an organized people who were unitedly doing what Jesus (Christ) commanded them {Matthew 28:19-20} no church on this planet has just two members zealously doing this except Jehovah's Witnesses.
Because the scriptures is not for each person to prove a point but for two or three to agree in doing the assignment Jesus gave his disciples that's what makes them his friends! Matthew 18:20

Look trying to propagate Jehovah's witness is not preaching the gospel.

You are not called to be witnesses of Jehovah, did you see Him to witness Him?

Even the Father witnesses that Jesus Christ is His Son, we are to be witnesses of Jesus after receiving the Holy Spirit not Jehovah's witnesses.

Truthseeker10:
I love your water analogy.

If water=God
Liquid=water.
Steam=water.
Block=water.

Let's say liquid = father, steam= Son, block= Holy spirit.

If I see Jesus(steam), can I say that I have not seen water(God) just because I did not see liquid(father)?

That is exactly what John 1:18 is saying. The verse says no man has seen God(water) at anytime not liquid(father). So how can that verse ever be correct when it says that no one has seen water(God) at anytime when people actually saw steam(Jesus) which is also water(God)?

ah no this has to be banned 😲

I recall someone using this same water steam ice logic for me, like I didn't do science.

I doubt they agree which one is supposed to represent God whether it is steam or ice

but the point is when the state of water changes, it STOPS being water. This is basic common logic

Even in animation, comics and manga, sci-fi none of them mistake water attributes or abilities for ice.

It's because of people like this men think believing God will make them stupid

GothamCities:
Why are you confusing yourself? What exactly are you hitting at using this scripture?

read the nonsense you wrote and claimed to gain understanding from and then read the translations and posted for you again and again.

LordReed:
You have New York, get a visa, buy a ticket go there, therefore Thor the god of thunder exists.

what the new apartment number for the avengers

HolinesstodLord:
I have been told to asked you a question. Who was Jesus Christ in spirit before he became flesh? Let’s test your knowledge of the spiritual realm.

you are testing my knowledge of the spiritual realm? As what?

Let me show you Jesus from Genesis 1
Gen.1.3 Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

And that was the light of men while he was here, John 1:4, Jesus said in John.9.5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

LordReed:
WTH is "big bang of no origin"?

is there someone that caused the big bang?

HolinesstodLord:
God is one…

According to scripture, Jesus comes out from God and the Holy Spirit proceeded out from God. Every Holy Christian knows Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit fellowship with Holy Christians only. He tells them things, give them visions and revelations from Heaven(I am a living testimony).

If you don’t know Holy Spirit, it is clear you are not holy yet though you believe in Jesus Christ. SIN has quench the Spirit inside you so you have quench Holy Spirit with your sins (but he always convict you of sins everytime you sin)

Repent of your sins and be converted. Be Holy for God is Holy.

I do like this post of yours

But so you know that knowing the truth leads to holiness, then is your knowledge only for accusing others of being unholy?
For when it comes to accepting the truth, that Jesus is the son of God and not God, did you push it away and say, "the key thing is to be holy"?

Does believing a false god make you holy? Are you set apart by the truth?

HolinesstodLord:
Okay. Key thing is be holy and you will meet God & he will correct all the wrong you believe…If I believe wrongly, he will correct me too.

God bless.

He is correcting you through me now, or you want to go and meet God for correction after you have left this word?

If you believe wrongly and you die, would you not be asked? Did you not hear the truth, was there no one who never told you.

Would you then deny it.

You believe in a lie and want to be saved, what makes one holy if not the truth. Jesus prayed sanctified them with your truth your word is truth. Do you think the devil would not create lies that men would say and defile them.

If you lived in obedience to God and never came across the truth that Jesus is the son of God that may be different but here you are faced with the truth and that which men made, you either believe or reject it.

SIRTee15:
copy Qasim


The biggest confusion with the crucifixion amongst it's antagonist is asking if God died on the cross.

This question is poor understanding of basic metaphysical concept.

A God cannot die, it's impossible for a God to die. God is not bound by the human characteristics of MR NIGER D. God doesn't physically exist in this physical world, he's not bound by time, space or matter. Therefore, there's no reason for him to stop existing in it. Such concept do not arise at all.

Now what is death?
Death is separation of the body from the soul and spirit. The dynamic process of such separation is called death.
When a man's soul and spirit exits his body, we say the man is dead. He no longer exist in this physical world.
That doesn't mean his spirit and soul died.

We have said it thousands of times, Jesus Christ while on earth isn't physically God. He had a human soul and dwelt in a mortal body. It's his spirit that his divine. That's why the correct nominal term for him is the Son of God.

The spirit of Jesus isn't made in the image of God like the rest of humanity. The spirit of Jesus is the exact divine substance of the Father!!!. He is the Son of God.

At the cross, that spirit separated from the mortal body of Christ, that is death. It doesn't mean the spirit died or any God died.

Why this is so hard for people to comprehend is beyond me.
Jesus himself said at the cross, 'Father, my spirit (the God in him) I return you'

God didn't die on the cross, it's ignorance to say such.

You have come with that metaphysical believe that originates from hell, what benefit is there from anyone having a proper understanding of the metaphysical concept, ah is that not the depths of Satan Jesus warned about in Revelations.

God didn't die on the cross, Jesus did and Jesus is not God. That should be simple

Now you say, "The spirit of Jesus is the exact divine substance of the Father!!!. He is the Son of God."

But because you believe a lie that Jesus is God you say
"Jesus himself said at the cross, 'Father, my spirit (the God in him) I return you'"


The question is is Jesus God?
Is the spirit of Jesus, Jesus?
If the spirit of Jesus is Jesus then who died on the cross?
If the spirit of Jesus is not Jesus but God, so then when God left him, it means that Jesus is not God. Because according to you Jesus returned God to God.


Is not just that you don't see that you are confused but you also don't realize how you are confused.

You say and you think it makes sense, when it doesn't does it become metaphysical beyong human reasoning then, then how are men supposed to know what has been revealed to them if it is beyond them.

That is why Jesus said God has hidden it from those who think they are wise and revealed it to children.

You say why people don't comprehend, you don't realize you don't even comprehend it.

If Jesus is God and left his body to die, it means it is not Jesus that died. So you are saying that the body of Christ is not Jesus

Then this would make nosense
John.6.54 - But those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them at the last day.
John.6.56 He who feeds on My flesh and drinks My blood dwells continually in Me, and I [in like manner dwell continually] in him.

I know we don't eat his physical body but here he refers to his flesh as him.

HolinesstodLord:
I will want to stop this argument as instructed. It’s profiteless. Don’t forget who Jesus Christ is? Jesus Christ is a stumbling block of God. That’s why many keep stumbling because of him. From Muslims to Jehovah witness.

May Jesus Christ not make you stumble? Believe his words and seek God through Jesus Christ. You love God but not according to KNOWLEDGE. You have only read and heard. You have not seen.

Jesus said who has seen me has seen the father(John 14:9) Disputing that is calling Jesus Christ a liar.

If you need more confirmation, meet God and tell him to tell you who Jesus Christ is. God is alive and He speaks now and forever.

Jesus being a stumble block to those who disbelief, who refuse to listen to God is because they reject God's word, and not a stumbling block from God to cause people to stumble and sin.

Instead of answering what the blasphemy or fight you falsely accused of is, you are here trying to justify your ignorance by claiming others lack knowledge.

Who told you I have not seen, you liar, and who said I do not believe what Jesus said in John.14.9 Jesus replied, "Philip, don't you even yet know who I am, even after all the time I have been with you? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking to see him? (NLT)

But it is you, because of your poor understanding you assume that Jesus calling himself the Father, that blasphemes Jesus and the Father whom Jesus submits to and obeys.

John.14.10 - Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I say are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me.
John.14.11 - Just believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or at least believe because of what you have seen me do.
John.14.12 - "The truth is, anyone who believes in me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works, because I am going to be with the Father.


How does he go to the Father if he is the Father.

John.14.16 - And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, who will never leave you.

I should go to God when he has given me the Holy Spirit?

But you can you meet God when you do not know the way to God?
When you accused others falsely and reject what God has said so stumble upon the very words you read which cause you to sin and blaspheme as I have shown you

Nachmonides:
Essence has its own meaning, Person (s) has its own meaning.

Identity has its own meaning.

Yes, that's what I mean.

so what you mean is what person identity and essence mean, so the three are what you mean, has they all have meaning. 🤔

Truthseeker10:
Oga what exactly is your identity? Is 'God' no longer the identity?

If identity encompasses essence and persons, why did you say that Jesus(person) does not have the identity(God) of God(identity) the father(person) but the essence.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

But if the essence of different from identity and person then what is the essence of essence? Hmmm 🤔

Probably the essence is what makes up the person but not the identity but makes two identities of one person. Do you understand now sir 😋

Nachmonides:
It's you that misunderstood it. It was clear to me who understands that identity encompasses both essence and person. Since you highlighted it, I began to clarify it. I would not have clarified it if you hadn't highlighted it.

Why would you just take what I'm saying, I expect you to do your findings and bring your argument if you disagree.

it's only you that understands what you are saying and maybe those like you, if not well even a madman understands him right?

Don't say if he disagrees, he clearly has disagreed with you and still does because what you say is confusion

Nachmonides:
God is a person.

Who is this person - He is God
Who is this person - He is the word
Who is this person - He is the son

so God is the son of man?

Nachmonides:
He was referring to the identity of God that could not be seen.

Because he told us the Word, Jesus was God, and was seen.

so God could not be seen but Jesus who you accuse of being God can be seen but was not seen and now is seen right?

Captain4Jehovah:
We don't need to argue endlessly. If Jesus is not God, then you are neither god.

I never claimed to be nor desire to be.

It is not an endless argument, it is a question, who or what is ABOVE that you mentioned?

Nachmonides:
Who is He? - He is God
Who is He? - He is the Son
Who is He? - He is the Word

so in the beginning was He, and He was with He and He was He?

Nachmonides:
There are no contradictions.
I have explained it, Jesus is God, and he is the Son.

the lies and contradictions you deny in your own mind but evident to all following the conversation

Nachmonides:
Who are you? - You're a human being
Who are you? - You are the president
Who are you? - You are Donald Trump

Neither does Trump say he is the only human or the only president but he can say he is the only human president named Trump


But with God there is only one God because God is not a race nor a title.

Nachmonides:
Go and do your research on what identity, person, essence means.


They both share the same identity in that they are both God


They both have different identities in persons.

blood is the essence of life, yet that two people have similar blood doesn't make them the same person.

As we see in parents who share blood with their children, it doesn't make them the same, it makes them of one blood but none of them are called blood!!

LordReed:
There is no evidence of a global catastrophic flood. Simple. The attempt to equate evidence for the Big Bang with an ancient tale is flat out rubbish. All it takes is a tiny bit of reasoning to know that any ancient civilisation that developed near a body of water will experience flooding and therefore have stories about floods. To leap from that to all flood stories are about some great global flood is absurditiy pro max.

but which of the two do you believe big bang of no origin or the flood

Nachmonides:
Yes, I can see it.

Jesus and the father share the same identity, and they don't share the same identity at the same time.


1 identity: They both are God

2 identities: Jesus is the Son, God is the Father.


Identity is different from Persons, and Essence.

both God and God is the Father so therefore logic detects that Jesus who is God according to you, is the Father.

Logic is what circuits are designed with