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Nachmonides:
Gohf, your derogatory or insulting remark in almost all of your texts have amused me.


You see, the spirit I'm of makes me immune to the ungodly reactions the flesh would naturally desire.
Please continue, I'll show you I'm not like the Pharisees whom Jesus would lash at and would react ungodly, showing the spirit they were of.

I haven't called you a brood of vipers, so do state the insult you felt insulted with


But you have been insolent in this that you have disregarded what was written and opted to continue to proclaim what God never revealed nor said and in light of God's word what were your responses. Yet you come here to accuse ALL of my texts which shows your disrespect in probably not even reading them but assuming what was written in them was an insult to you.


I called you blind didn't I did, here again you show yourself blind
Did you feel insulted in your pride believing all I wrote was for you or about you, even when I repeated said it wasn't?

You proclaim yourself and defend it, but I proclaim Christ the son of God and show it from the Bible.

I do apologize that you feel insulted but I am not here to praise or glorify you in anyway especially when you disrespect God's word with the way you handle it.

Nachmonides:
This is childish.
To everyone reading this thread, Gohf cannot post the John 1:1 text of his/her bible, and that of the Greek.

A very simple request.

ah you're confidence is from men, very typical of you to try and use public opinion.

You rejected the truth and your request is rejected.

Do you think I will change my mind like your ever changing god

Listen it's because you fail to realize that the answer to the question has already been given, just search for it. If you can't pay the price of seeking you don't deserve to be given a reply.

Nachmonides:
He has, glory be to the Lord Jesus Christ, the one true God. Maker of heaven and earth, saviour of the world and the prince of peace, Lord of Lords.

He hasn't for you do not even know him

Do you think that by calling him Lord lord you will enter the kingdom of God who do and teach your own will and doctrine?!

Steep:
confused one, God said he is a jealous God.

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Confused gohf,
Paul said the fulness of Godhood dwells in christ.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

The Greek interlinear of Godhead in col 2:9 is theotetoes meaning deity or Godhood.
Jesus is literally God, same God with the father.
People have tried to correct you here but you continue in heresy.


Proverbs 29:1 He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

some of this nonsense you added later after quoting me is such deception.

Even if you were thought greek, the letter will still kill you not because the letter is in error but the nature in you will make it so

For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.

This is the full sentence in English Colossians 2:9-10

Even Paul that believes what Jesus said about the Father being in him, didn't bring a conclusion that Jesus is God but wrote Jesus being full of God is head of all power and authority


Did Paul not write, Col.2.6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him,....

But you add your lies so to condemn the truth but instead condemn yourself who refuses to repent but continue to propagate a lie.

Nachmonides:
Alright, please help me remove my blindness.

What does John1:1 say?

According to your bible, and according to the original greek.

go to Jesus Christ the son of God let him remove it for you, maybe you will hear what the Holy Spirit says.

Nachmonides:
Alright, I've heard you.

What does John 1: 1 say according to your bible, and the Greek text?

you never heard but because you claim to hear, who will open your ears?

If though Jesus admitted to be the son of God, they asked him over and over again.

DaddyCoool:
So you do believe God is active and not idle and powerless and can NEVER allow another be worshipped as God for over 2000 years against His will?

don't ask me questions ignoring God's word that has been spoken like an evil spirit seeking whom to misled.

Nachmonides:
Even the Devil and Pharisees could quote scriptures.

But in all, they didn't know.

and you are right and i watched you quote it all day in error mixing it with tradition and avoiding the truth God revealed.

Steep:
She is a false teacher and false prophet.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
I pray God brings her out of the darkness she is in.

you speak of yourself here

When even Peter wrote
2Pet.1.17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

But instead of accepting what God you added to yourself heresies brought by the very men Paul wrote about, men you follow in your greed to succeed and enjoy life

2Pet.2.2 - Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of them, Christ and his true way will be slandered.
2Pet.2.3 - In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction is on the way.


To call false what the Spirit of God has revealed is to speak against God's word. Please do not pray for him, but pray for yourself.

Nachmonides:
Constant inaccuracies, that's what you bring up.

That, I don't want to see.

I said you were blind and if you want your blindness to remain that is your choice.

Refusing to see the truth revealed doesn't deny the existence of it.

Nachmonides:
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You seem to want to appear humble but it's not humbleness I tell you.

Don't worry, since you have a bible and you won't stop studying it. You'll come to the truth, keep on studying.

Cheers.

you have no business with my humility, you are not my God not my Lord

When Jesus called them brood of vipers he was humble, for our humility is not to men especially those who reject God's word.

I never asked you to be humble to me, but to submit to God and His word, will I save you will your humility do me any good. If you lack fruit will you not be cut off.

If I seem humble thank God for the holy Spirit but it was never for you as well.

DaddyCoool:
What exactly is God's word and how are you sure what is God's word?

the word of God brings life and God verifies His word through the works He does.

How am I sure what God's word is, it is because I decided to do only God's will to submit to God and in my errors and failings I get rebuked and corrected, here what Jesus said in John.7.17 Anyone who wants to do the will of God will know whether my teaching is from God or is merely my own.

That's why Paul wrote, Rom.12.2 Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will know what God wants you to do, and you will know how good and pleasing and perfect his will really is.


If I disobeyed simple instructions from God if I never felt bad for even lying, if I never asked God for mercy would he ever have told me, you are wrong, what you are doing is not my will... if I had rejected the corrections of God because it went against my thoughts and opinions, if I had .... forget it

Nothing is more celebrated on earth than lies, that's why Jesus said John.14.17 He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world at large cannot receive him, because it isn't looking for him and doesn't recognize him. But you do, because he lives with you now and later will be in you. (NLT)


I had to go back and start from the beginning and beg God to teach me his word. You think mere reading it was how I understood it.

Three times I saw the son of God, in one of them I saw a humility I could not understand,...

If you the spirit of God doesn't speak to you, do you think anything else I say or anything else you read would verify to you who the son of God is.

He is the only one God send those he saves to

Nachmonides:
You are tiring.

There are so many inaccuracies in your conclusions here.

Please don't quote again, go away. You win.

go away, I was never here for you.

You showed from the beginning you were stubborn to the truth, you avoided it, you ran from it. Did you think I spent time going through the Bible to bring those verses out just for you.


Others will read this and it will be a record that the truth was shared and some believe and some rejected it.

But baselessly as from the beginning you have only accused what is written as being inaccurate and so please do not think it was written just for you.

Just as there are vessels made unto honor and those not so, I used your errors to teach the truth.

Nachmonides:
JW's always have been like the Sanhedrins; they honour God with their lips but their hearts are far from him.

What you're typing, we see honour. God sees what we don't see.

it's your business if you label and attack others, but that should not be your excuse for rejecting the truth

DaddyCoool:
Nachmonides, SIRTee15, Steep, gohf

FINAL WORD ON THIS TOPIC

It has been over 2 thousand years. Churches that worship Jesus Christ as God have gone from strength to strength. At Nicea the bishops prayed that God guide their deliberations and help them arrive at the right conclusion - these were people who knew the Bible better than any of us. We must assume that God was in those deliberations and therefore part of the conclusion they arrived at - which would explain why it has sustained and only gotten stronger.
Folks, these things have been debated ad infinitum by people much wiser, holier, and much more knowledgeable than us.
Bottom line:
Since YHWH has been intimately involved from beginning till now, unless we are ready to say that He doesn't exist, or no longer exists, or exists but is powerless, or exists but doesn't care, we must assume that what has triumphed is NOT something that is against His will.

Is it not a pity that you left God's word for this?

Steep:
While I may not readily point to the council at nicea, which of course re-emphasized on what has being the church tradition from the apostles themselves, even latest discovery has further nailed the coffin of the argument that the deity of Jesus was a nicea decree.
The word of God the Bible is sufficient proof, anyone not content with what has being written may never be convinced.

you can't find Jesus is God from the apostles but you would have to go to the traditions that nachmonides fails to admit nor answer whenever I mention the gnostics.

The nicea decrea? You have failed using the Bible now to want to venture into another gray area, would you flee again once light is poured there?

Nachmonides:
Why would God even command for the lamb or Jesus to be worshipped at all, whether as God or whatever?

It is inconsistent with his character replete in scriptures.
His character has always been not to worship any other besides him, no other, no one else.

God had never permitted anyone to worship anything else but himself, so this would be the first time in scripture as per your inference.
This is odd.

Scriptures clearly says he will never yield his glory. Yet he's permitting his creation to worship Jesus.

you say, "It is inconsistent with his character replete in scriptures." As though you know the character of God, well if you did wouldn't you actually know the scripture than you random claim of doing so.

Ps.2.11 - Serve the LORD with reverent fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Ps.2.12 - Submit to God's royal son, or he will become angry, and you will be destroyed in the midst of your pursuits--for his anger can flare up in an instant. But what joy for all who find protection in him!

Even David was bowed to as one representating the son of God, who will seat upon the throne of David
Then David said to the whole assembly, ‘Praise the LORD your God.’ So they all praised the LORD, the God of their fathers; they bowed low and fell prostrate before the LORD and the king." 1 Chronicles 29:20

And here is a prophecy
In that day,’ declares the LORD Almighty, ‘I will break the yoke off their necks and will tear off their bonds; no longer will foreigners enslave them. Instead, they will serve the LORD their God and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.’" Jeremiah 30:8-9

But how will you who doesn't understand the gospel and revelations that is revealed understand scripture that speaks in shadows

For God said I will make him a king not a god
Ps.89.27 Also I will make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.

Even if I quote anymore will you accept it, when I asked you what is worship you never answered.

If you keep rejecting the truth, will the truth accept you

Steep:
take away pride from you and learn, repent and cry to God to have mercy on you. Pride goes before a fall.

Father God have mercy on him, I submit to you and to you alone so that in the face of those who corrupt your word I will not be weak nor silent but the bold.

But I would be foolish to not learn from God's word and learn from you, who is your error refuse to accept what.

You attack me with no justification from God's word because I said the truth even when you do not even understand what is written.

Your ignorance is a proof of your arrogance.

Nachmonides:
I see the problem.

You are having a hard time comprehending one "What" (Essence) and three "Who's" (Persons)

Yes, this logic still maintains that God is YAHWEH or the Tetragrammaton YHWH or YHVH. And that God is one; singular.

you say you see yet what you see is a lie, if the light in you is darkness how great is that darkness.

I am speaking life you are writing logic

Steep:
confused one, God said he is a jealous God.

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Confused

in your pride you answered what you were never asked

And who more is confused than you who thinks contrary and opposite of what he has read.

Nachmonides:
I have nothing more to say to you.

I have told you severally that I don't serve 3 Gods, I don't believe in 3 Gods.
Go and study the scriptures better and honestly.

but you believe God is 3 different persons whileas God doesn't not change, He is YHVH

DaddyCoool:
gohf there can be ONLY one reason this can be so - Christ is equally God worthy of worship, though NOT the Father, AND the usually jealous Father is not at all jealous of him being worshipped BECAUSE he sees him as part of himself, a continuation of himself!

the reasoning is only from your own mind, which you have yet to completely submit to God.

Let's not speak of God being jealous for as simple as it may seem it may well be beyond you.

From whom do you think creation comes from, from where was it "bara" from.


I see it this way that those who see Jesus as equal to God fail to follow the example of Jesus in submission, for until to see Christ for who he is, without a veil, will the true spirit of submission be at work in you. That is the power of the gospel

Nachmonides:
God's will is that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of truth.

He is going to ensure you learn, because his will is that you are saved and that you learn.

your bolded let's read it shall we

1Tim.2.3 - This is good and pleases God our Savior,
1Tim.2.4 - for he wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth.
1Tim.2.5 - For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and people. He is the man Christ Jesus.


Yet you speak against this very word and irrespective of your mistakes and errors you refuse to change. God may desire a man's salvation but if such a man rejects it, then destruction is at work within him.

Nachmonides:
Haha, typical arguments.

Luke 12:12 and all the scriptures you have mentioned will be touched on altogether.

The holy spirit teaching you what to say will be because you have learned already. So, what you have learned, he will bring to your remembrance.

Who was he speaking to? — his disciples.
What was he doing to his disciples? — teaching them.

The holy spirit works with knowledge, he is a helper, a comforter; think of the meaning of helper or comforter, a helper would come to assist you in what you are doing, there's something available already, a comforter will come to comfort you or remind you with words, words you have learned already, that is available.

Honestly—how does the holy spirit teach a man? : in his dreams?, one on one encounter with the spirit?, by visions?

That's why he said he has given them the word of the Father. That is how they will know what to say.
Just like how Peter spoke about Jesus and he replies that flesh and blood did not reveal it to him but the Father in heaven. How did the Father in heaven reveal it to Peter? — Peter had learned about Jesus from Jesus himself; a teaching.

Peter could not have had any knowledge of the father or communication with the father except by/through Jesus.

Again you agree with what John wrote
1John.4.2 - By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
1John.4.3 - and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.


For you say, "Just like how Peter spoke about Jesus and he replies that flesh and blood did not reveal it to him but the Father in heaven. How did the Father in heaven reveal it to Peter? — Peter had learned about Jesus from Jesus himself; a teaching."

And this is what Matthew records, "Matt.16.17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven."


First you testify against the record of Matthew that Jesus lied when he said his Father revealed it whereas according to you, it was Jesus who did so.

Secondly as I wrote earlier you agree with John, that it is the spirit of the antichrist speaking when you assume that the Jesus didn't come in the flesh. For you say it was Jesus who revealed it to Peter and you acknowledge that flesh and blood did not. Is Jesus a Spirit that revealed it to Peter?


If you knew what was written would you let a deceptive spirit speak to you and through you. Is it not written that God spoke at the baptism of Jesus, do you think God doesn't speak?


In your error you forgot, John the Baptist, then who then revealed to him who the Messiah is?



No, no, even with your believe that God speaks and teaches us through men you have failed to perceived God speaking to you through me.

Or in your heart you have told yourself it is not the Holy Spirit speaking to me through this person.

Do you know the purpose of this conversation is for the salvation of souls, that men may believe that Jesus is the son of God and know the truth and not lies presently by demons to distract.

Did you think the intent is about who is right and who is wrong. God's people are perishing because of the lies of the devil and some of you whom like it is written, "ought not to be teachers for they would be judged more severely" think of it lightly to discuss such matters you have poor understanding of. Thereby being used by the devil to cloud the minds of men from the truth of God's word.

Steep:
you make zero sense.

see the word salad you are writing down, show it to the person close to you if what you wrote makes sense.
So if the lamb of God who is Jesus is worshipped doesn't that make him God?


You deny the personhood of the holy Spirit yet claims he testify, can't you see how confused you are?



You are contradicting Jesus the Son of God who said he is one with the father and shared same glory with the father before the world began.

If I did not explain this clearly then let God the Father be displeased with me but if I have and you refused to listen then let God hold you to it.

You will not have an excuse when you are called to account the words you have written

DaddyCoool:
I honestly don't understand you. How many times in the Bible and even in other religions have people tried to worship another person? They are usually rebuffed with "Don’t worship me, I am not God" or "You should worship only God"?

Once again, define God for us

I will repeat it again, ignore it at the cost of your own soul.

The lamb of God was worshipped and is worshipped as commanded by God and as recorded in revelation but he was never and is NEVER worshipped as God.

None of you have answered what is worship? If you knew that you would also understand why a fellow SERVANT refused worship.

We are servants of Lord Jesus the son of God and we worship him, and we worship the Father God who created ALL.

Eph.1.22 And God has put all things under the authority of Christ, and he gave him this authority for the benefit of the church.

And Even at that they understood
1Cor.15.27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
1Cor.15.28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Even though I quote 90% out of the Bible who would even understand 😪 instead would you not look for another angel to reject God and His word

Nachmonides:
So, in Matthew 4, Jesus refuses to worship the devil and says one is to worship only the Lord God


And then God commands his angels to worship Jesus.

What I see is:
Both of them pointing to each other for direction of worship.

What do you see?



Deuteronomy 6:13-15:

"Fear the LORD your God, serve Him only and take your oaths in His name. Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you; for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God."

- He is commanding exclusive worship to himself only

Isaiah 42:8:

"I am the LORD; that is My name! I will not yield My glory to another or My praise to idols."

- He says he will not yield his glory, yet he commands angels to worship Jesus.


Exodus 20:3-5:

"You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God."

- He is forbidding any other worship, only he is to be worshipped.



Either God changes his ways or he has lied in commanding his angels to worship Jesus.

Even if you are taught would you still not fail? If you listened would you not learn.

Your heart is stubborn so can it be helped?


Even when you read they worshipped God as God
And they worshipped the Lamb for who is he and the sacrifice he paid, which was permitted by God.

If you were in Abraham's place you would kill Isaac because God said take Isaac and sacrifice to me.

God forbids us from worshipping another other god because even Jesus the son is not God. God cannot contradict Himself.

But who claim Jesus is God suggest that God contradicts Himself by commanding Jesus be worshipped as another God.


So your teaching proclaims God a liar even when God never lied.

Nachmonides:
Understood, fail-safe mechanism.

If you understood it likely a lie you understood isn't?
if you lie doesn't mean other dont try to say the truth 😁

If you understood the truth of God's word, even your mind would be sanctified by it and your thoughts as well 🙏

Nachmonides:
How does the holy spirit teach you, don't be unwise.

He will use a man, that's why you have teachers.
Even Jesus taught his disciples so they could teach the world.
He even instructed them to go and teach others. Mark 16:15-17, Matthew 28:18-20

He should have said the holy spirit will teach others, don't go and teach and preach.

Don't be unwise, the holy spirit teaching will be through man, signifying that the indwelling of the spirit in a man. Ephesians 1:13 clearly says after you believe, you are sealed with the holy spirit of promise.

Don't be unwise, God will always use a man.
Jesus had to teach his disciples. Jesus our great example showed us how the holy spirit will teach us. Through our teachers.

Luke.12.12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you what needs to be said even as you are standing there."

John.14.26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

1John.2.27 But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don't need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you all things, and what he teaches is true--it is not a lie. So continue in what he has taught you, and continue to live in Christ.

But you are wise, right?

True teachers from God depend on the Holy Spirit

1Tim.4.1 Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from what we believe; they will follow lying spirits and teachings that come from demons.


You are wiser than Jesus, than John, you are so wise in your own eyes, like Job mocked, if you left wisdom would leave with you.

What you have said shows why you are in error. John said let him that has ears hear what the Spirit is saying, but you cannot hear because you are not of God like Jesus said.

Nachmonides:
You're being emotional again, please go and study scriptures well, honestly.

🤣 that is what I am doing and I do it for my life.

Steep:
So according to you Jesus christ is not God even though it is clearly written that Jesus is God?

You are the one that is rejecting the bible.
According to you God commanded angels to worship another being?

You are wallowing in deception, contradicting yourself all through.

you speak in error like your father the devil, because if you had known the truth of God's word who the lamb of God is, even without my quoting them merely reading revelations would answer your question.

But being blind isn't a reason for you to be proud and look down on others, after all let him that boast, boast that he knows the Lord. But for you to be both blind and deaf, is a shame

Did I not say God who is worshipped commanded them to worship Jesus, who is the lamb of God as revealed in the revelations of Jesus.

But you refuse to listen, no, why because you have been fed lies all your life but also because you are not a sheep of his pasture, if you were you would have known that what I have said is from from myself but from the Holy Spirit who testifies of Jesus the son of God who came in the flesh and rose in his body and is at the right hand of God who exalted him and crowned him with glory and power.


Yet you read and no life comes into you because you do not believe, so the death at work in doesn't leave you, it remains because you choose to believe a lie rather than the truth God revealed.

For God sent his son that those who believe may have life.

Even if I contradict myself by God's grace I will never contradict God nor His Son.

Nachmonides:
I understand you.
Since you're a JW (you have not dismissed my assumption), I'd advise you always consult the Hebrew when reading the O.T, the Greek when reading the N.T and do proper study on the words therein.


Bible theology simply means the proper explanation of the Bible contextually; culture, grammar, location, e.t.c

Not the tradition of men.
It's more like reading a book and coming to a conclusion that this is what the author is saying.

If you do not rid yourself of the spirit of assumptions and false accusations it would destroy you.

Here you claim without proof, that "since you are JW" yet admitting it was nothing but your assumption do you seek to justify your nonsense and wrong conclusion.

Only the blind cannot see their own errors in the presence of light. Like Jesus would say, in Matt.7.5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

You are to tell me about bible theology, if I were to speak like Paul who called himself Pharisee of Pharisees, would you understand some were even lecturers of the said nonsense you believe because they read the books of men and taught them while neglecting the word of God.

When you lack and don't listen to the Holy Spirit it is normal to believe and proclaim a lie.