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Nachmonides:
Gohf, what do you have to say about this?

It was actually Jesus that said the "I am" statements

when I said it is from your imagination you did not believe

Did John write anything about turning around to look for the voice speaking but because you reject what John wrote that it is said by the Lord God, even if he doesn't say who it is, the worship of the angels and the elders reveal who God is, but you.

This is what John then heard
Rev.1.11 It said, "Write down what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." (NLT)

That made him turn and see Jesus
Rev.1.12 When I turned to see who was speaking to me, I saw seven gold lampstands. (NLT)

If I call you a brood of vipers who like the serpent leaves at things to the destruction of others would you feel insulted or repentant?


Or is it better to call you a fool, who even after being taught that the word I am doesn't mean God.

Are you not being wicked to corrupt God's word even if you do not care for your own soul, what do you gain from such foolishness

Why like a serpent do you look for new ways to undermines God's word.

Jesus sent his angel, did you not read Revelation 12:7 that says Michael and his angels

Have you no shame from your errors, if no one rebukes you would you believe yourself right

Are there no angels in the hand of Jesus, did God not put all under him. Why then do you claim to know yet you ask in a subtle way to prove that a lie is true

DaddyCoool:
I googled it for you. See below. Do you now agree??
Once again, why can't you accept the simple TRUTH that Christ is God but NOT the Father??!!.
Nachmonides

you have Google I have the Holy Spirit, wisdom and sense from God.

Use it maybe it will lead you somewhere

Nachmonides:
Hebrews 13:8 : " Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever."

Does it not sound like the Revelation 1:8 when it says "...says the Lord God. "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come, the Almighty One." ?

We see the same thing said for Jesus in Hebrews, said for God in Revelation

The Jesus I preach to you is the same, yesterday, today and forever, he never became God and was never God, he was the son of God, is the son of God and will remain the son of God

Heb.13.7 Remember your leaders who first taught you the word of God. Think of all the good that has come from their lives, and trust the Lord as they do.

Remember what they have taught you about the word of God, about Jesus least you

Heb.13.9 So do not be attracted by strange, new ideas...
Your spiritual strength comes from God's special favor, not from ceremonial rules about food, which don't help those who follow them. (NLT)
Heb.13.9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them. (NKJV)

You don't even need to go too far, even the very passages you quote from I have shown you from it, since morning till now your stubbornness as been used by God to show others his word.

Jesus doesn't not, he is the son of God, he isn't God the Son or any other new meaning or name. God gave him a name higher than other names and that name is not God the Son, but Jesus.

Who having God's nature came as a man, humbled himself to death on a cross then God rose him up and gave him a name that all knees should bow to him and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God.. Philippines 2.

Yet after reading that you believe Jesus is God contradicting and destroying the very word Paul wrote to bless and guide us, who aim was
Phil.2.5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,... HUMILITY

but you call Jesus god to whose glory?

DaddyCoool:
You make me laugh. Why can't you accept the simple TRUTH that Christ is God but NOT the Father??!!. If you say Christ is not God, then why is he being worshipped?? And why is the Father not jealous at all, as He would be with Baal, Shiva, etc. And if you say he is not God then why has the Father empowered those that have been worshipping him as God all these centuries. Unless you are saying the Father is powerless. Is that what you're saying?
These are facts! HISTORY people have actually lived through NOT some arcane words in a much edited and manipulated book!

Because it is a lie from the pit of hell.


You claim God sent another god to save us, by saying so you claiming God Almighty isn't God enough to save.

Nachmonides:
Perhaps I missed the message.

I am not shying away from explaining anything if I can and I am not afraid of saying "I don't know about this" or "My knowledge is limited in this area". If I avoided it, I must have perceived foolishness or temptation (like the question you asked about standards)

you perceived foolishness from God's word because it doesn't support the standard you follow?

It was not a temptation, I gave you an offer let us go through the Bible even though I followed your quotes you rejected the word without reason but with repetition.

Don't be bothered with me o, do you think God isn't seeing us how heart and our reaction to God's word.

I read what you wrote I considered where you may have misunderstood I tried with patience to show you but I decided to use your words to teach others because you rejected them.

I am before God Almighty Jehovah, afraid of his judgement and I declare with boldness I reject that which contradicts God's word that Jesus is God.

For I believe in God who sent his Son to us, and I believe in the son and obey his words which are from the Father and I in no way believe God became a man for it is written God is not a man. No matter the imaginations or explanation from men I choose to believe what God has revealed as the truth and only the truth least I perish for my sins.

Nachmonides:
Jesus is God, he is Lord, he is the Alpha and Omega. The beginning and the end, the first and the last.

And here again is another lie from one who refuses to see the truth

Here is what is actually written

Rev.1.8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega--the beginning and the end," says the Lord God. "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come, the Almighty One." (NLT)

Says who, God himself the Father

But when the son is revealed this what John saw and wrote

Rev.1.13 - And standing in the middle of the lampstands was the Son of Man. He was wearing a long robe with a gold sash across his chest.
Rev.1.14 - His head and his hair were white like wool, as white as snow. And his eyes were bright like flames of fire.
Rev.1.15 - His feet were as bright as bronze refined in a furnace, and his voice thundered like mighty ocean waves.
Rev.1.16 - He held seven stars in his right hand, and a sharp two-edged sword came from his mouth. And his face was as bright as the sun in all its brilliance.
Rev.1.17 - When I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. But he laid his right hand on me and said, "Don't be afraid! I am the First and the Last.
Rev.1.18 - I am the living one who died. Look, I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and the grave.


Jesus the first and the last, the only one who is our Lord, our Christ, the one who died.

And in none of the introduction to the seven churches does Jesus introduce himself as God.

Let him post them out, for those patient enough to gain understanding and wisdom from God

Rev.2.1 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Ephesus. This is the message from the one who holds the seven stars in his right hand, the one who walks among the seven gold lampstands:

Rev.2.8 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Smyrna. This is the message from the one who is the First and the Last, who died and is alive:

Rev.2.12 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Pergamum. This is the message from the one who has a sharp two-edged sword:

Rev.2.18 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Thyatira. This is the message from the Son of God, whose eyes are bright like flames of fire, whose feet are like polished bronze:

Jesus here CALLS HIMSELF THE SON OF GOD

Rev.3.1 "And to the angel of the church in Sardis write, "These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: "I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.

Now for those who keep saying the Spirit of God is God so therefore equal to trinity, you forgot to add the seven spirits of God o

Rev.3.7 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Philadelphia. This is the message from the one who is holy and true. He is the one who has the key of David. He opens doors, and no one can shut them; he shuts doors, and no one can open them. (NLT)

Rev.3.14 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Laodicea. This is the message from the one who is the Amen--the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation: (NLT)

Then the next chapter John saw a revelation of God, he saw One sitting on a throne
Rev.4.8 Each of these living beings had six wings, and their wings were covered with eyes, inside and out. Day after day and night after night they keep on saying, "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty--the one who always was, who is, and who is still to come."
And the 24 elders
Rev.4.11 "You are worthy, O Lord our God, to receive glory and honor and power. For you created everything, and it is for your pleasure that they exist and were created."

Rev.5.1 And I saw a scroll in the right hand of the one who was sitting on the throne. There was writing on the inside and the outside of the scroll, and it was sealed with seven seals.



Will they read this, or will they avoid it. Those who want to be saved will not avoid the truth they will run to it and forsake all
Rev.5.5 - But one of the twenty-four elders said to me, "Stop weeping! Look, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the heir to David's throne, has conquered. He is worthy to open the scroll and break its seven seals."
Rev.5.6 - I looked and I saw a Lamb that had been killed but was now standing between the throne and the four living beings and among the twenty-four elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God that are sent out into every part of the earth.
Rev.5.9 - And they sang a new song with these words: "You are worthy to take the scroll and break its seals and open it. For you were killed, and your blood has ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation.
Rev.5.10 - And you have caused them to become God's Kingdom and his priests. And they will reign on the earth."


Did I not quote this already, this verse 12, now before God whom I stand I speak these words and anyone who calls it a lie let it be recorded against them. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom but fools love their own ways.

I speak with authority and boldness of the one who sent me.

Rev.5.12 - And they sang in a mighty chorus: "The Lamb is worthy--the Lamb who was killed. He is worthy to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and blessing."


But then they didn't worship him alone but God who was the one sitting on the throne and the lamb, verse 13.

Then God spoke in Rev.21.5 - And the one sitting on the throne said, "Look, I am making all things new!" And then he said to me, "Write this down, for what I tell you is trustworthy and true."
Rev.21.6 - And he also said, "It is finished! I am the Alpha and the Omega--the Beginning and the End. To all who are thirsty I will give the springs of the water of life without charge!
Rev.21.7 - All who are victorious will inherit all these blessings, and I will be their God, and they will be my children.
Rev.21.8 - But cowards who turn away from me, and unbelievers, and the corrupt, and murderers, and the immoral, and those who practice witchcraft, and idol worshipers, and all liars--their doom is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death."


And God spoke again in Revelation 22
Rev.22.12 - "See, I am coming soon, and my reward is with me, to repay all according to their deeds.
Rev.22.13 - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
Rev.22.14 - Blessed are those who wash their robes so they can enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life.
Rev.22.15 - Outside the city are the dogs--the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.


Then the Lamb, Jesus, beside God spoke,
Rev.22.16 - "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am the bright morning star."



Are you still going to deny God's word?

Nachmonides:
Gohf, your derogatory or insulting remark in almost all of your texts have amused me.


You see, the spirit I'm of makes me immune to the ungodly reactions the flesh would naturally desire.
Please continue, I'll show you I'm not like the Pharisees whom Jesus would lash at and would react ungodly, showing the spirit they were of.

I haven't called you a brood of vipers, so do state the insult you felt insulted with


But you have been insolent in this that you have disregarded what was written and opted to continue to proclaim what God never revealed nor said and in light of God's word what were your responses. Yet you come here to accuse ALL of my texts which shows your disrespect in probably not even reading them but assuming what was written in them was an insult to you.


I called you blind didn't I did, here again you show yourself blind
Did you feel insulted in your pride believing all I wrote was for you or about you, even when I repeated said it wasn't?

You proclaim yourself and defend it, but I proclaim Christ the son of God and show it from the Bible.

I do apologize that you feel insulted but I am not here to praise or glorify you in anyway especially when you disrespect God's word with the way you handle it.

Nachmonides:
This is childish.
To everyone reading this thread, Gohf cannot post the John 1:1 text of his/her bible, and that of the Greek.

A very simple request.

ah you're confidence is from men, very typical of you to try and use public opinion.

You rejected the truth and your request is rejected.

Do you think I will change my mind like your ever changing god

Listen it's because you fail to realize that the answer to the question has already been given, just search for it. If you can't pay the price of seeking you don't deserve to be given a reply.

Nachmonides:
He has, glory be to the Lord Jesus Christ, the one true God. Maker of heaven and earth, saviour of the world and the prince of peace, Lord of Lords.

He hasn't for you do not even know him

Do you think that by calling him Lord lord you will enter the kingdom of God who do and teach your own will and doctrine?!

Steep:
confused one, God said he is a jealous God.

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Confused gohf,
Paul said the fulness of Godhood dwells in christ.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

The Greek interlinear of Godhead in col 2:9 is theotetoes meaning deity or Godhood.
Jesus is literally God, same God with the father.
People have tried to correct you here but you continue in heresy.


Proverbs 29:1 He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

some of this nonsense you added later after quoting me is such deception.

Even if you were thought greek, the letter will still kill you not because the letter is in error but the nature in you will make it so

For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.

This is the full sentence in English Colossians 2:9-10

Even Paul that believes what Jesus said about the Father being in him, didn't bring a conclusion that Jesus is God but wrote Jesus being full of God is head of all power and authority


Did Paul not write, Col.2.6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him,....

But you add your lies so to condemn the truth but instead condemn yourself who refuses to repent but continue to propagate a lie.

Nachmonides:
Alright, please help me remove my blindness.

What does John1:1 say?

According to your bible, and according to the original greek.

go to Jesus Christ the son of God let him remove it for you, maybe you will hear what the Holy Spirit says.

Nachmonides:
Alright, I've heard you.

What does John 1: 1 say according to your bible, and the Greek text?

you never heard but because you claim to hear, who will open your ears?

If though Jesus admitted to be the son of God, they asked him over and over again.

DaddyCoool:
So you do believe God is active and not idle and powerless and can NEVER allow another be worshipped as God for over 2000 years against His will?

don't ask me questions ignoring God's word that has been spoken like an evil spirit seeking whom to misled.

Nachmonides:
Even the Devil and Pharisees could quote scriptures.

But in all, they didn't know.

and you are right and i watched you quote it all day in error mixing it with tradition and avoiding the truth God revealed.

Steep:
She is a false teacher and false prophet.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
I pray God brings her out of the darkness she is in.

you speak of yourself here

When even Peter wrote
2Pet.1.17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

But instead of accepting what God you added to yourself heresies brought by the very men Paul wrote about, men you follow in your greed to succeed and enjoy life

2Pet.2.2 - Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of them, Christ and his true way will be slandered.
2Pet.2.3 - In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction is on the way.


To call false what the Spirit of God has revealed is to speak against God's word. Please do not pray for him, but pray for yourself.

Nachmonides:
Constant inaccuracies, that's what you bring up.

That, I don't want to see.

I said you were blind and if you want your blindness to remain that is your choice.

Refusing to see the truth revealed doesn't deny the existence of it.

Nachmonides:
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You seem to want to appear humble but it's not humbleness I tell you.

Don't worry, since you have a bible and you won't stop studying it. You'll come to the truth, keep on studying.

Cheers.

you have no business with my humility, you are not my God not my Lord

When Jesus called them brood of vipers he was humble, for our humility is not to men especially those who reject God's word.

I never asked you to be humble to me, but to submit to God and His word, will I save you will your humility do me any good. If you lack fruit will you not be cut off.

If I seem humble thank God for the holy Spirit but it was never for you as well.

DaddyCoool:
What exactly is God's word and how are you sure what is God's word?

the word of God brings life and God verifies His word through the works He does.

How am I sure what God's word is, it is because I decided to do only God's will to submit to God and in my errors and failings I get rebuked and corrected, here what Jesus said in John.7.17 Anyone who wants to do the will of God will know whether my teaching is from God or is merely my own.

That's why Paul wrote, Rom.12.2 Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will know what God wants you to do, and you will know how good and pleasing and perfect his will really is.


If I disobeyed simple instructions from God if I never felt bad for even lying, if I never asked God for mercy would he ever have told me, you are wrong, what you are doing is not my will... if I had rejected the corrections of God because it went against my thoughts and opinions, if I had .... forget it

Nothing is more celebrated on earth than lies, that's why Jesus said John.14.17 He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world at large cannot receive him, because it isn't looking for him and doesn't recognize him. But you do, because he lives with you now and later will be in you. (NLT)


I had to go back and start from the beginning and beg God to teach me his word. You think mere reading it was how I understood it.

Three times I saw the son of God, in one of them I saw a humility I could not understand,...

If you the spirit of God doesn't speak to you, do you think anything else I say or anything else you read would verify to you who the son of God is.

He is the only one God send those he saves to

Nachmonides:
You are tiring.

There are so many inaccuracies in your conclusions here.

Please don't quote again, go away. You win.

go away, I was never here for you.

You showed from the beginning you were stubborn to the truth, you avoided it, you ran from it. Did you think I spent time going through the Bible to bring those verses out just for you.


Others will read this and it will be a record that the truth was shared and some believe and some rejected it.

But baselessly as from the beginning you have only accused what is written as being inaccurate and so please do not think it was written just for you.

Just as there are vessels made unto honor and those not so, I used your errors to teach the truth.

Nachmonides:
JW's always have been like the Sanhedrins; they honour God with their lips but their hearts are far from him.

What you're typing, we see honour. God sees what we don't see.

it's your business if you label and attack others, but that should not be your excuse for rejecting the truth

DaddyCoool:
Nachmonides, SIRTee15, Steep, gohf

FINAL WORD ON THIS TOPIC

It has been over 2 thousand years. Churches that worship Jesus Christ as God have gone from strength to strength. At Nicea the bishops prayed that God guide their deliberations and help them arrive at the right conclusion - these were people who knew the Bible better than any of us. We must assume that God was in those deliberations and therefore part of the conclusion they arrived at - which would explain why it has sustained and only gotten stronger.
Folks, these things have been debated ad infinitum by people much wiser, holier, and much more knowledgeable than us.
Bottom line:
Since YHWH has been intimately involved from beginning till now, unless we are ready to say that He doesn't exist, or no longer exists, or exists but is powerless, or exists but doesn't care, we must assume that what has triumphed is NOT something that is against His will.

Is it not a pity that you left God's word for this?

Steep:
While I may not readily point to the council at nicea, which of course re-emphasized on what has being the church tradition from the apostles themselves, even latest discovery has further nailed the coffin of the argument that the deity of Jesus was a nicea decree.
The word of God the Bible is sufficient proof, anyone not content with what has being written may never be convinced.

you can't find Jesus is God from the apostles but you would have to go to the traditions that nachmonides fails to admit nor answer whenever I mention the gnostics.

The nicea decrea? You have failed using the Bible now to want to venture into another gray area, would you flee again once light is poured there?

Nachmonides:
Why would God even command for the lamb or Jesus to be worshipped at all, whether as God or whatever?

It is inconsistent with his character replete in scriptures.
His character has always been not to worship any other besides him, no other, no one else.

God had never permitted anyone to worship anything else but himself, so this would be the first time in scripture as per your inference.
This is odd.

Scriptures clearly says he will never yield his glory. Yet he's permitting his creation to worship Jesus.

you say, "It is inconsistent with his character replete in scriptures." As though you know the character of God, well if you did wouldn't you actually know the scripture than you random claim of doing so.

Ps.2.11 - Serve the LORD with reverent fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Ps.2.12 - Submit to God's royal son, or he will become angry, and you will be destroyed in the midst of your pursuits--for his anger can flare up in an instant. But what joy for all who find protection in him!

Even David was bowed to as one representating the son of God, who will seat upon the throne of David
Then David said to the whole assembly, ‘Praise the LORD your God.’ So they all praised the LORD, the God of their fathers; they bowed low and fell prostrate before the LORD and the king." 1 Chronicles 29:20

And here is a prophecy
In that day,’ declares the LORD Almighty, ‘I will break the yoke off their necks and will tear off their bonds; no longer will foreigners enslave them. Instead, they will serve the LORD their God and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.’" Jeremiah 30:8-9

But how will you who doesn't understand the gospel and revelations that is revealed understand scripture that speaks in shadows

For God said I will make him a king not a god
Ps.89.27 Also I will make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.

Even if I quote anymore will you accept it, when I asked you what is worship you never answered.

If you keep rejecting the truth, will the truth accept you

Steep:
take away pride from you and learn, repent and cry to God to have mercy on you. Pride goes before a fall.

Father God have mercy on him, I submit to you and to you alone so that in the face of those who corrupt your word I will not be weak nor silent but the bold.

But I would be foolish to not learn from God's word and learn from you, who is your error refuse to accept what.

You attack me with no justification from God's word because I said the truth even when you do not even understand what is written.

Your ignorance is a proof of your arrogance.

Nachmonides:
I see the problem.

You are having a hard time comprehending one "What" (Essence) and three "Who's" (Persons)

Yes, this logic still maintains that God is YAHWEH or the Tetragrammaton YHWH or YHVH. And that God is one; singular.

you say you see yet what you see is a lie, if the light in you is darkness how great is that darkness.

I am speaking life you are writing logic

Steep:
confused one, God said he is a jealous God.

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Confused

in your pride you answered what you were never asked

And who more is confused than you who thinks contrary and opposite of what he has read.

Nachmonides:
I have nothing more to say to you.

I have told you severally that I don't serve 3 Gods, I don't believe in 3 Gods.
Go and study the scriptures better and honestly.

but you believe God is 3 different persons whileas God doesn't not change, He is YHVH

DaddyCoool:
gohf there can be ONLY one reason this can be so - Christ is equally God worthy of worship, though NOT the Father, AND the usually jealous Father is not at all jealous of him being worshipped BECAUSE he sees him as part of himself, a continuation of himself!

the reasoning is only from your own mind, which you have yet to completely submit to God.

Let's not speak of God being jealous for as simple as it may seem it may well be beyond you.

From whom do you think creation comes from, from where was it "bara" from.


I see it this way that those who see Jesus as equal to God fail to follow the example of Jesus in submission, for until to see Christ for who he is, without a veil, will the true spirit of submission be at work in you. That is the power of the gospel

Nachmonides:
God's will is that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of truth.

He is going to ensure you learn, because his will is that you are saved and that you learn.

your bolded let's read it shall we

1Tim.2.3 - This is good and pleases God our Savior,
1Tim.2.4 - for he wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth.
1Tim.2.5 - For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and people. He is the man Christ Jesus.


Yet you speak against this very word and irrespective of your mistakes and errors you refuse to change. God may desire a man's salvation but if such a man rejects it, then destruction is at work within him.

Nachmonides:
Haha, typical arguments.

Luke 12:12 and all the scriptures you have mentioned will be touched on altogether.

The holy spirit teaching you what to say will be because you have learned already. So, what you have learned, he will bring to your remembrance.

Who was he speaking to? — his disciples.
What was he doing to his disciples? — teaching them.

The holy spirit works with knowledge, he is a helper, a comforter; think of the meaning of helper or comforter, a helper would come to assist you in what you are doing, there's something available already, a comforter will come to comfort you or remind you with words, words you have learned already, that is available.

Honestly—how does the holy spirit teach a man? : in his dreams?, one on one encounter with the spirit?, by visions?

That's why he said he has given them the word of the Father. That is how they will know what to say.
Just like how Peter spoke about Jesus and he replies that flesh and blood did not reveal it to him but the Father in heaven. How did the Father in heaven reveal it to Peter? — Peter had learned about Jesus from Jesus himself; a teaching.

Peter could not have had any knowledge of the father or communication with the father except by/through Jesus.

Again you agree with what John wrote
1John.4.2 - By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
1John.4.3 - and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.


For you say, "Just like how Peter spoke about Jesus and he replies that flesh and blood did not reveal it to him but the Father in heaven. How did the Father in heaven reveal it to Peter? — Peter had learned about Jesus from Jesus himself; a teaching."

And this is what Matthew records, "Matt.16.17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven."


First you testify against the record of Matthew that Jesus lied when he said his Father revealed it whereas according to you, it was Jesus who did so.

Secondly as I wrote earlier you agree with John, that it is the spirit of the antichrist speaking when you assume that the Jesus didn't come in the flesh. For you say it was Jesus who revealed it to Peter and you acknowledge that flesh and blood did not. Is Jesus a Spirit that revealed it to Peter?


If you knew what was written would you let a deceptive spirit speak to you and through you. Is it not written that God spoke at the baptism of Jesus, do you think God doesn't speak?


In your error you forgot, John the Baptist, then who then revealed to him who the Messiah is?



No, no, even with your believe that God speaks and teaches us through men you have failed to perceived God speaking to you through me.

Or in your heart you have told yourself it is not the Holy Spirit speaking to me through this person.

Do you know the purpose of this conversation is for the salvation of souls, that men may believe that Jesus is the son of God and know the truth and not lies presently by demons to distract.

Did you think the intent is about who is right and who is wrong. God's people are perishing because of the lies of the devil and some of you whom like it is written, "ought not to be teachers for they would be judged more severely" think of it lightly to discuss such matters you have poor understanding of. Thereby being used by the devil to cloud the minds of men from the truth of God's word.

Steep:
you make zero sense.

see the word salad you are writing down, show it to the person close to you if what you wrote makes sense.
So if the lamb of God who is Jesus is worshipped doesn't that make him God?


You deny the personhood of the holy Spirit yet claims he testify, can't you see how confused you are?



You are contradicting Jesus the Son of God who said he is one with the father and shared same glory with the father before the world began.

If I did not explain this clearly then let God the Father be displeased with me but if I have and you refused to listen then let God hold you to it.

You will not have an excuse when you are called to account the words you have written

DaddyCoool:
I honestly don't understand you. How many times in the Bible and even in other religions have people tried to worship another person? They are usually rebuffed with "Don’t worship me, I am not God" or "You should worship only God"?

Once again, define God for us

I will repeat it again, ignore it at the cost of your own soul.

The lamb of God was worshipped and is worshipped as commanded by God and as recorded in revelation but he was never and is NEVER worshipped as God.

None of you have answered what is worship? If you knew that you would also understand why a fellow SERVANT refused worship.

We are servants of Lord Jesus the son of God and we worship him, and we worship the Father God who created ALL.

Eph.1.22 And God has put all things under the authority of Christ, and he gave him this authority for the benefit of the church.

And Even at that they understood
1Cor.15.27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
1Cor.15.28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Even though I quote 90% out of the Bible who would even understand 😪 instead would you not look for another angel to reject God and His word