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Nachmonides:
I think the best thing is to hear what they have to say about John 1:1-14


Let's hear their own conclusion from reading the verses.

all the one you heard, what did you do with it, you ignored it, and yoh want a repeat again.

Heb 11:3 Faith convinces us that God created the world through his word....

So from the beginning the word was with God and in God was the word which is life, and that life WAS light to men, not because the word stopped being light but because the light had returned back to God. And while the light was here, John the Baptist bore witness to it, that he John wasn't the light but Jesus.
Now though God created the world through Jesus, the world did not know him nor receive him but to all who believed him, accepted him he gave them the power to become children of God. Children not born carnally but born of God and so the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

HolinesstodLord:
I always weigh the spirit behind your words. I don’t read the words but the spirit behind them. I knew the spirit was not of Jesus Christ for everyone who has the spirit of Christ call him Lord…

If we begin talking about mysteries and spiritual
Things of God revealed to me thorough Jesus Christ, you will call me more
Names. All the best with your belief…

Be Holy for The Lord Jehovah is Holy.

you're reading Spirit? Be deceiving yourself with your false knowledge.

Why didnt you change it, why did you say everyone that has the Spirit of God will call Jesus God.

Share them and see what true discernment of spirits is.

It's not today Satan started masquerading as an angel of light

johnw47:
John 1:1 is talking about "in the beginning" - a time in the past


"is" could be used but it's not proper grammar,
past tense is past tense:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning (past tense) was the Word (past tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was God (past tense). ---- < correct grammar

past tense is not present tense:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning (past tense) was "is" the Word (present tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was "is" God (present tense).

past tense is not future tense:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning (past tense) was "will be" the Word (future tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was "will be" God (future tense).

What are you even saying

When I point out from John 8:58 that the term eimi used there in Greek means I exist or have been

So Jesus existed before Abraham was born, how many of them accept that interpretation, even you do you? but no, every I am is YHVH

Joh 1:1  In the beginning (past tense) was the Word (past tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was God (past tense). ---- < correct grammar

It's actually wrong if you believe Jesus is God, it should have been

Modified: John 1:1  In the beginning (past tense) was the Word (past tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word is God (present tense). ---- < correct grammar

Infact the way it is arranged in the Greek text is like this

In the beginning was the word and the word was with 'ton Theon' and 'Theos' was the word

According to you people's misinterpretion because you don't know the difference between an accusative noun and a normative noun,.... you can even say "God was the word"

Now you are claiming to know Grammer, by changing it all from past tense to present or future.
Take your present tense example for instance

Joh 1:1  In the beginning is the Word
and the Word is with God and the Word is God.

But this isn't what is written, because if it was this then one may say o the word is the beginning, and the word is with God and is also God, meaning a present revelation of who is he but this cannot follow the context and message in John 1.

Desusi:
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No,this is the best way,she openly disgraced devil and her works without ashamed. What a courageous and strong willed woman she is! More grease to your elbow. She may become an envagelist in the process,God has no respect of persons.

they overcame by the word of their testimony

I hope she comes back publicly with her testimony

Dtruthspeaker:
Now this is another place where you see Jesus is God!

For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king; he will save us(Isaiah 32:22)

And Jesus, is The Lord and He came to save us!

So, a Lawmaker is always above The Law He makes and He can elect to abide by it as He did in coming as a baby or can override it as He did by walking on the sea, exactly how you can make a law that everyone in your house must be home by 10pm. And you can choose to be home by that 10pm yourself or 1am as you need.

You the lawmaker are greater than the law you make and you are only under it as pleases you.

Thus the Law is for those who are lesser than the Lawmaker.

So here you see Jesus acting above The Law, because He is The Lawmaker.

And that is why you see even though He is not a Levite, He could be a High Priest Like Melchizedek was not a Levite, yet received tithes.

So, this is an act of God (force majeure) and every act of God is always Law Full, which is why you see the verse shows the priest was changed first which prompts Paul to say that the law has changed in his observation that God did not follow The Law.

But as already stated, Paul knows that a Lawmaker is above His Law, which is why he said the law changed which is to the effect that we now have 2 Laws instead 1, on appointment of priests that is
1) Appointment from Levite males and
2) The Melchizedek Law (Appointments made by God Himself)

And with respect to the topic, they are even all Males, and the biggest blow to female priesthood is that Melchizedek never died and has not died, so no vacancy for females.

Of which I would remind everyone, that the 2nd Law (Melchizedek Law) is actually the first Law for Melchizedek was the First Priests and yet He was not a Levite.

So, Christ followed a Law that even Superseded The Laws God gave to Moses to give us

So Christ followed a Law that is even Older than the Levite Law!

Well for starters Jesus is not God, and I didn't find Isaiah 32:22, but I did find Isaiah 33:22
Isa.33.22 For the LORD is our judge, our lawgiver, and our king. He will care for us and save us.

Now YHVH is God and the purpose of the Law is to reveal our sins and tell us not to do the things that will bring us death. So being a lawmaker isn't about being above the law though God is above the law for He is Holy and doesn't follow the law, he gave Moses a shadow requirement out of His mercy and so the law was made for sinful man and when I quoted Hebrews 7, was to explain that the laws that came from Moses were no longer in effect and one of the reasons being that God had finally established the priesthood he originally intended the eternal priesthood of the covenant of peace, one that purifies sin perfectly from people's heart and enables them to genuinely love and serve God.

So a new covenant with new commands, so we are no longer under the old. For the new is a fulfillment of the purposes of the old and a fulfilling of it's promises even with better promises. So God fulfilled the old covenant and made a new everlasting one, one with God's word or law of life which empower Jesus to be our high priest.


And yes Jesus follow a command from God that is higher than the old requirements from Moses.

kingxsamz:
Too many words that mean nothing. The character and decision making of the so called god shows it has very poor thinking skills.
All he had to do was snap his fingers and everything goes back to normal. But no, let me wait thousands of years and then send my son to dle for three days so I can fix a problem I allowed to happen in the first place. And the funny thing is, nothing was fixed.
Even Tinibooo would have done better with such powers.

That means nothing to you, because you are not patient enough to understand it. By the way I edited it after posting maybe you should read it again if you actually what to understand.

If you can't even understand what me I am writing how can you even say or judge that being you don't believe in, as poor thinking skills.

Have you spoken to him before?
What is your basis for such statement?
Are you wise by make such an assumption with no evidence nor understanding of him.

You don't even know Him but you assume how He thinks, what does that show of your level o reasoning?

You assume God made mistake for Him to snap His fingers and start again, now if He did you wont exist. It's because of your poor understanding of God's mercy that you think He can't. But He will, once He has the number of children He wants, that finger you want Him to snap He will snap it and you will awake in a world normal either for sinners or for the saved.

God has been patient, enduring the wickedness of men so that the harvest is full and the then the rest will be burnt.

kingxsamz:
He willingly took your place as how?
If Jesus and his father are the masters of the universe and nothing can happen without their knowledge and approval, then what place is he taking when he can just snap his fingers and return everything back to normal? What's the need for all the unnecessary theatrics?

And what sacrifice did he make? You mean the 3 days sleep he had? 😂

first off let me introduce you to the one true God YHVH who sent the son of man who isn't the master of the universe as you presumed but a man who righteously obeyed and submitted to God. A man sent to redeem us from the curse of sin and death that we received from Adam whom God made from the dust of the earth, who fell because he disbelieved God and disobeyed; eating the fruit of his ways.

And so because death is at work in Adam, all who come from Adam are bound to die, except we are born again and come from a different lineage and receive eternal life.


It would be theatrics if God was lying but God is not a man that He should lie nor the son of man that He should change. What does God gain from lying to those He created? Why make humans intelligent just to deceive them?

There is a purpose to creation.

Jesus according to God's word spoken after they sinned, that "the seed of the woman will crush your head", and that seed is Jesus born of Mary who died to defeat death and rose on the third day.

To defeat death who has a hold upon us, for because of our sins we are bound to death and eternal separation from life.

But because of God's mercy, God's word and power separates us that came from Adam that no one should perish for the sins of others. So the blood of Jesus speaks on our behalf that the death required for our sins have been paid both ours and that we inherit from Adam.


So God out of his mercy prevents all from perish with Adam who brought death upon us by choosing death instead of life, by giving us an option again through Jesus that if we believe instead of disbelieving like Adam did, we will receive life by being born again, and receive the Holy Spirit which is a taste of the eternal life that is promised to come.

And because God does not lie, His word will come to pass. Indeed Adam's sin God foresaw it, and that's why the savior Christ existed from the beginning before Adam was formed. For God subjected creation to bondage with the hope and eager expectations for the revealing of the sons of God which is the purpose of this creation, before the new heavens and earth come.

A Father who wants his children to be truly free and choose eternal life for us to understand the value and purpose of life. All these is God teaching and raising his children who he predestinated for glory.

AirBere:

And the best place is in front of the camera then posted online right?. If she really needs God's intervention then quiet time with God is best for her. No be everything be for camera and internet.

She never ready....smfh!

true talk, she's suppose pray am privately so God can actually strengthen and reward her. You're right.

Nachmonides:
What is your understanding of John 1:1-14?

do not pour water into a basket nor give pearls to swines

Lol even my autocorrect doesn't believe there are gods 🤣 it keeps turning it to God's

Steep:
According of 1 John 1:5 God is light.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

So if God is light and Jesus is also light doesn't that tell you Jesus is God?
Remember Jesus is called the true light he is not a mere reflector but the very light himself which God.
See how you think you are cunning ended up setting yourself up.

Even the person that wrote ho theos phos estin didn't declare that Jesus is God, you obviously don't and refuse to know nor learn the difference between theon and theos

Of course I knew you would leave everything I wrote and mention 1 John 1:5 even without looking at the context of what John was writing but he isn't the first person to refer to God has light
Ps.84.11 - For the LORD God is our light and protector. He gives us grace and glory. No good thing will the LORD withhold from those who do what is right.

Note that other versions may use God is a sun and shield and maybe people like you then would read that and start bowing to the sun. Forgetting the very commandments of God.

Do you understand this verse in Revelations
Rev.21.23 - And the city has no need of sun or moon, for the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its light.


2Cor.4.6 - For God, who said, "Let there be light in the darkness," has made us understand that this light is the brightness of the glory of God that is seen in the face of Jesus Christ.


Now this is where you shot yourself in the foot, because you imagined to yourself that I didn't know 1 John 1:5, you are talking about traps and reflectors when you are this blind

Listen, did you forget Jesus said in Matt.5.14 "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.

so there isn't just three gods but at least more than four, well if we count the seven spirits of God plus at least 144,000 Hebrews there's at least according to your logic 144,009 God's 😀😁

Nachmonides:
Good day Gohf, how are you?

Haha.

Not so, you and TruthSeeker's questions have been based on the disagreement of what John 1:1-14 says, how that the Word became flesh, and John letting us know that the Word that became flesh is Jesus, and we know from scriptures Jesus is not the Father.

You both need to come to terms with that scripture first, realise the gravity of that scripture.

Your questions/observation have been in denial of John 1:1-14

I just decided to entertain questions for the sake of it, even though the foundation was faulty.

and this is your own conclusion that contradicts the evidence present during the conversations and exchange.

Dtruthspeaker:
This is quite very right save for the bold which me and you have run through and in the end you did not have any counter to give.

Paul clearly explained that Jesus was even a better and perfect High Priest because He was Holy unlike all the others who still needed to be cleansed and purified always to be able to perform The Law and Office.

So, it all still comes down to The Laws God Commanded and gave Moses to give the world.

Hebrews:7

[12] And when God sends a new kind of priest, his law must be changed to permit it. As we all know, Christ did not belong to the priest-tribe of Levi, but came from the tribe of Judah, which had not been chosen for priesthood; Moses had never given them that work.
[15] So we can plainly see that God’s method changed, for Christ, the new High Priest who came with the rank of Melchizedek,
[16] did not become a priest by meeting the old requirement of belonging to the tribe of Levi, but on the basis of power flowing from a life that cannot end.
[17] And the psalmist points this out when he says of Christ, You are a priest forever with the rank of Melchizedek.

phosky:
Apostle Johnson Suleman : I won’t attend your wedding if you marry someone outside our ministry

Apostle Johnson Suleman has warned his members against marrying people from other churches, citing reasons for his stance. In a recent sermon, he told his congregation that he would no longer officiate or attend weddings of church members who marry outside the ministry. Eyes Of Lagos reports,

He explained that many of the marital issues he’s had to address recently were from people who married individuals from other churches. He stated, “If you marry someone outside the ministry, I will not attend the wedding. There are many daughters in this church, so why look elsewhere? The wedding will still happen, but I won’t be there. 70% of the crises I’ve dealt with in the last two months are from those who married outside the church.”



https://eyesoflagos.com/2025/01/09/apostle-johnson-suleman-i-wont-attend-your-wedding-if-you-marry-someone-outside-our-ministry/

How many of his members does he know, then how many of them has he attended their wedding because it sounds like he is speaking to all of them but he is speaking of a specific few and warning them but the possible negative effect is, WISE ONES WONT MARRY FROM HIS CHURCH

Steep:
The word was with God shows there are two persons, The word was God shows that the word is of same being with the one he is with.

so as we are with the Holy Spirit and fellowship with him, we are of the same bein with the Holy Spirit we are with.

And according to your believe Holy Spirit is God, so we are ?

Steep:
You have to understand that the jews generally understand the father to be God but however John 1:1 is linking Jesus to the father, by the declaring the the word is God John is saying hat the word is of the same being with the one who is God but distinct from him in person hence he is God as to his being but with God as per his pershood.

When agents of darkness listen to God's word so as to readjust their lies, it's amazing how instead of repeating they bury themselves deeper into their deception. What is coming out of you just defiles you continually

I see you have changed it from WAS God to is God

DaddyCoool:
It's amazing what PRIDE can do. You know full well this argument is over, this is just pride talking.

Unless you invent your own English, God couldn't have had a son with him at creation without having, or having had, a third person (mother) - unless "son" in this case means an extention of himself!

If you could differentiate between pride and zeal, you would be considered wise having wisdom from God and realize where you fall, repent and be restored.

But in my zeal I have shown the knowledge of God, for God's children to hear believe and be steadfast in God's word that was given to them. Though you call it pride, but I am zealous for God's house and word.

Steep:
So was Jesus a human in heaven or he was God?
When did he become a human? Before he becam human what was he?
I

John.1.4 In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.
John.1.5 The light shines through the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it.
John.1.6 God sent John the Baptist
John.1.7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe.

John.9.5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

John.1.2 He was in the beginning with God.

Gen.1.3 - Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen.1.4 - And God saw that it was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness.


John.1.14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

John.3.19 Their judgment is based on this fact: The light from heaven came into the world, but they loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil.


And the light he called day, Gen 1.5
Mal.4.5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

That Day has come and He will come again.

DaddyCoool:
Here's the post again. It is actually worth re-posting. I thought it had shut you up for good and you had accepted correction:

Can't you see he can ONLY be God. God has no son or you'd be talking of wife, mother, etc (as in Roman gods). "Son of God" can only mean an extention of God (unlike, say, a prophet), a manifestation of God, God himself!

I treated your words as nonsense even before this

This words if you don't plead for God's mercy you will account for them.

God has no son, so Jesus the son of God is not the son of God but a god that lied and hide his true identity so as to reveal the truth to us.

Soo.,..
...Mary did not give birth to Jesus, he fell from the sky and they found him in a barn, God became man and lived with them till he died or gave up his godhood on the cross which is his spirit so that we can receive his godhood and become gods like him, since his godhood is sharable, and then he took back who he really is, and returned to being God once again. So he changed, lied and deceived just to save you and bless you with godhood or energy from God in solid invisible form that can manifest as fire...

Dtruthspeaker:
As you can see he repented but God did not accept it.

We all know it is that evil phenomenon that falls upon a person after he has done evil and Satan leaves, that there eyes now open and "e don clear you" moment take place, like eve complaining "he beguiled me".

Too late. You cannot be forgiven!

I think people forget God judges the heart even the act, and God isn't under any compulsion to accept every offering or tears, there was Esau, Saul.

God is the one who brings people to Jesus for safe keeping, and from Jesus words, Judas wasn't one of them.

You evangelize to some and they believe a lie that whenever they repent God will accept it, so to them it's not now let me enjoy my life first, so they constantly reject the voice of God calling them and they think they can find the way to salvation whenever they want.

Imagine someone saying with confidence on their death bed they will confess, even though they don't know when or how they will die.

They don't realize they are in devil's hands so they think they are wise

MindHacker9009:
John 6:70: Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.

But later the devil had remorse and new he had sinned.

Matthew 27:3 Then when Judas, who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned, he felt remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.”

One day Satan too will feel remorse and will repent and be saved. Halleluiah

If feeling sorry guarantees salvation, hell would be empty

DaddyCoool:
I thought you've accepted correction and shut up - after I showed you WHY Christ has to be God. You've started talking again?
You already instinctively know these things, just arguing for argument sake.
They're all God's energy - there is only ONE God, remember? Who's energy did you think the Holy Spirit was??

you showed who, well you are even blind and most likely deceived yourself that i accepted your nonsense.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is not Paul who laid this. Go and read The Laws and see if God ordained women to be chief priests or priests.

Though I see this as a history maker, one where she will be celebrated as one of the female bishops in Nigeria. And like you said earlier these churches are not really the churches of God because whatever is said by the earlier apostles is not really accepted by them. They take what they like and reject what they don't or twist it

But

I don't think the argument that she shouldnt should be based on the mosaic laws, Jesus isn't even our high priest based on those laws which honestly God's children are no more under.


The main reason should be why is she been made a bishop and what is her role going to be as a bishop, and the most important who is making her a bishop?

If the appointment is not from God even if she is a man, then it's wrong

But like Paul said, understanding the reason and purpose of being a overseas detects that it should be a man and not a woman, there are several reasons and lessons from the scripture but the key reason is because the overseer is representing Jesus as a our shepherd and teacher and JESUS is a man and as such would give instructions and directions.

So is she going to be a bishop of women or a bishop of their church.

To be honest a woman can take other offices for peace and leave the bishop thing alone

Gabrielshow24:
Of course that's what the bible says, "All judgement has been delivered to the son" 😁

and the Father has retired to his mansions 😐

DaddyCoool:
You are pretending not to understand, I don't know who you trying to fool.
Simple:
1) You can't directly see the Father (God)
2) But you can directly see Christ (equally God) and therefore you're indirectly seeing the Father (same God)
3) The Holy Spirit is God's energy and can manifest as a dove, fire, etc

Any more rather dumb questions?

you think you are wise by calling His questions dumb, maybe after eating something you thought you are as wise as God instead of you to listen to God and ask Him for wisdom.

So the Holy Spirit is not God anymore but God's energy. So your own is no more trinity but duality 😁

DaddyCoool:
Can you pleeeaasse stop with the DUMB, pretentious questions??

You've been told a million times that God is used interchangeably with the Father!
Of course you can't see God (the Father) BUT you can see God (the Son]. So anyone that says you can't see God is correct, AND anyone that says you can see God is also correct. Stop playing dumb!

The Holy Spirit is of course INVISIBLE like the Father but can manifest as visible just like the Father.
If you still don't get such simple concept, I give up!

you claim one can't see God yet Jesus who I believe in said blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.

So either everyone who saw Jesus was pure, meaning he didn't have to die, nor preach nor even come in the first place 😁 but he came thank God to open the eyes of the blind

But you by your words call Jesus a liar and that no one can see God

DaddyCoool:
Wow! He's still talking??
Where do I even start?
OK, where is the Son today? Do you see Him?
You already instinctively know that God is invisible to living men! Even idol worshippers have to carve things that REPRESENT their god. Even they understand they can't see their god - how come you don't??!
Well it's because you bury yourself in minutae and get totally confused!
GOD IS SPIRIT! That Spirit dwelt in a body people can see some 2000 years ago.
And of course the Holy Spirit is invisible and stays invisible unless manifested as something - and that's exactly what I said. They're all extensions of same ONE God!
Stop confusing yourself with obsession with IRRELEVANT minutae!

you! You are surprised somebody is talking

If you are more silent no more would consider you confused or foolish

Steep:
Jesus is separate from the Father in pershood but one with the father in being.
The context is about human.
Again context is about humans coming into relationship with God

The context of John 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. (NIV)

No human has seen the Father except for this human who came from God, who is the Father or which other God did Jesus reveal? Himself?

There's a question someone asked, did God or a man die on the cross? could you answer that, seeing as you believe Jesus is God, so did God die on a stake or cross, was God killed by crucifixion?

Truthseeker10:
According to John 6:46, has the Holy Spirit seen the Father?

New King James Version
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

🫡 you have driven nachmonides away with the truth and now the same may happen to steep 😂

Steep:
when he said no man has seen God, he is referring to the father. When he said no man has seen the father but the only begotten Son has declared him, there is a 'but' there. Meaning apart from christ revelation nobody has seen the father.

figuratively although also true literally.

When you don't know the answer don't answer from two sides of your mouth, "figuratively or literally" your saying "figuratively although also true literally."

There is nothing figuratively about Jesus seeing the Father

It's figuratively for Moses to speak face to face to God when all he saw was the back, it's figuratively for Job to say now I see God when all he experienced was God speaking from a whirlwind, etc etc etc.


Of all the men that lived only one had actually seen God, and that man is Jesus Christ and he revealed who the Father is.

HolinesstodLord:
Please don’t make the mistake to say God created Jesus Christ. Don’t get yourself into divine trouble by talking foul of sacred and high thing.

Jesus Christ was from the beginning with God when God formed. When God formed(Praise Be JAH for teaching me his mysteries), His word formed.His Spirit formed.

God is 1 Spirit Being. There are no 2 Gods. Jesus Christ is the word of God in spirit and so God and became flesh when time for revelation was due.

The word of God, Jesus Christ, is God according to John 1:1. So also with the Spirit of God. May God teach you about his Godhood.

Experience God through Holy Spirit and you will understand scripture better than those who just read letters that killeth.

God bless… Drop those heretical belief and ascend the hills of the most high so you can see the king in his beauty. God awaits your ascension.

🤣 what nonsense is this you wrote
"When God formed(Praise Be JAH for teaching me his mysteries), His word formed.His Spirit formed."

Are you practicing occultism while calling it divinity?

"I should not make the mistake of calling God, who by the way created ALL, I should not make the mistake of calling Him the creator of Jesus. I should not fear Him but you and your demons that deceived you.

Funny how John 1:1 WAS God and not is 😁

DaddyCoool:
Now you beginning to get it. There was only God, and any "son" is also him

You know I added you need to ask God for wisdom but I removed it, but honestly and seriously you need it