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Now the following verses are also quoted in their belief on Jesus 1Pet.2.24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. John.10.11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. Gal.3.13 But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." Matt.20.28 For even I, the Son of Man, came here not to be served but to serve others, and to give my life as a ransom for many." 1Cor.15.3 I passed on to you what was most important and what had also been passed on to me--that Christ died for our sins, just as the Scriptures said. Rom.4.25 He was handed over to die because of our sins, and he was raised from the dead to make us right with God. 2Cor.5.14 For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. Heb.2.9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. Heb.9.26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. After reading this verses ask yourself once again, is Jesus God? Or the son of man who is the son of God. |
Isaiah 9:6 one of the favorite verses of those who believe in three gods Isa.9.6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (KJV) Now even though KJV and other translations agree that the term is his name not names, let me not go deep into the Hebrew text but use the Septuagint which is the oldest Hebrew translation to Greek and now to English Isaiah 9:6 For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: + for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him. If you accept that Jesus is not the Father it's easier to understand that Everlasting Father is not his name and that there's an explanation of what is written. Abiad usually used for eternity and counsellor being a verb, then what about mighty God, well Isaiah uses the phrase again in Isaiah 10:20-21 the mighty God but in a statement that means the people will trust YHVH and return to His strength. It's not the first time Isaiah has written a name that is more like a sentence than a word. So understanding the sentence is important. His name shall be called by the wonderful counsel of God's strength, abiad prince of peace. Abiad is a combination of the word "abi" which is my Father and "ad" which could mean ornaments in Hebrew but there's another meaning which I believe is the main meaning of "ad" which is witness, testimony and prince. Of course "ad" also means ancient, eternity but considering the subject of decision I believe abiad means my Father's witness or my Father's prince is the prince of peace. If a name would make or mean Jesus is God, it would be Jehovah saves which is the meaning of Jesus but does that also means Joshua is God?! The next bible reference is from Isaiah 53 which from verse 1, a reference to the arm/strength of YHVH is spoken of, which most likely refers to Jesus, verse 2, infact let's read the whole chapter together Isa.53.2 - My servant grew up in the LORD's presence like a tender green shoot, sprouting from a root in dry and sterile ground. There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance, nothing to attract us to him. Isa.53.3 - He was despised and rejected--a man of sorrows, acquainted with bitterest grief. We turned our backs on him and looked the other way when he went by. He was despised, and we did not care. Isa.53.4 - Yet it was our weaknesses he carried; it was our sorrows that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God for his own sins! Isa.53.5 - But he was wounded and crushed for our sins. He was beaten that we might have peace. He was whipped, and we were healed! Isa.53.6 - All of us have strayed away like sheep. We have left God's paths to follow our own. Yet the LORD laid on him the guilt and sins of us all. Isa.53.7 - He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth. Isa.53.8 - From prison and trial they led him away to his death. But who among the people realized that he was dying for their sins--that he was suffering their punishment? Isa.53.9 - He had done no wrong, and he never deceived anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man's grave. Isa.53.10 - But it was the LORD's good plan to crush him and fill him with grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have a multitude of children, many heirs. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD's plan will prosper in his hands. Isa.53.11 - When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish, he will be satisfied. And because of what he has experienced, my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins. Isa.53.12 - I will give him the honors of one who is mighty and great, because he exposed himself to death. He was counted among those who were sinners. He bore the sins of many and interceded for sinners. Now after reading this, do you think Jesus is God. Think about Philip when he met someone reading this scripture Acts.8.32 - The passage of Scripture he had been reading was this: "He was led as a sheep to the slaughter. And as a lamb is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth. Acts.8.33 - He was humiliated and received no justice. Who can speak of his descendants? For his life was taken from the earth." Acts.8.34 - The eunuch asked Philip, "Was Isaiah talking about himself or someone else?" Acts.8.35 - So Philip began with this same Scripture and then used many others to tell him the Good News about Jesus. And asked him if he believes Jesus is God? No, he asked him if he believes Jesus is the son of God. |
ABOUT JESUS CHRIST We believe that He is the Son of God; Who took away our sins, and the Savior of the world. We also believe that Jesus is God and was born by Mary the Virgin. He is God revealed in the flesh. Through Him all things were created. John 1:1-14; John 14:9; Matt. 1:18-25, Is 9:6; Is 53:5-6. We believe in His death on the Cross, and resurrection, by which He brought redemption – Is. 53:4-10; I Pet. 2:24; John 10:11; Gal. 3:13, Matt. 20:28; I Cor. 15:3; Rom. 4:25; II Cor. 5:14; Heb 2:9; Heb 9:26.Notice they ALSO believe that "Jesus is God and was born by Mary", so is Mary the mother of God?! "God revealed in the flesh" one of the basis of their belief is that because God made all through Jesus, then Jesus is God. God made all things through his word and not through himself, God used the word but then does it mean everything God uses is God?! "Through the word all things were created" John 1:1-14 is long to fully quote, where you read that John came to witness the light and not God in whom the life that gives light to men was before he came and became the light to us, but let's still read verse 14 John.1.14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Jesus is not called God in flesh, but the word became flesh, even if you take the word was God before it became flesh, it shows the change. Only when we understand it has the word was God's and it became flesh, do we understand the phrase and truth, "God doesn't change" John.14.9 Jesus replied, "Philip, don't you even yet know who I am, even after all the time I have been with you? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking to see him? If only this verse exists or if you read only this verse then your confusion is understandable that you would think that Jesus is the Father but still this verse doesn't call Jesus God, but if you believe so, it contradicts that Jesus is the son of God if he himself is God. If Jesus had left his statement as only verse 9 but he continued in John.14.10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I say are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me. He didn't say don't you believe I am the Father or that I am God, but that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. And why does Jesus say this, it is because of the works God does through him. So you see God because you see His works. So to reveal God is to reveal the works of God. Which Philip asked show us the Father, reveal the Father and Jesus answered I reveal Him, I am the son who reveals the Father, the son whom only has seen the Father who sees the works of the Father and does likewise. It's in your gospel of John. Let's continue Matt.1.18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Jesus the Messiah not Jesus the God or Jesus, God the son, the Messiah prophecied from scriptures (aka old testament) is the son of God and not God the son of God in the flesh. Matt.1.20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. Not incarnation but spiritual conception as opposed to carnal conception. Matt.1.22 - All of this happened to fulfill the Lord's message through his prophet: Matt.1.23 - "Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and he will be called Immanuel (meaning, God is with us)." Matthew quotes Isaiah the issue here is does Emmanuel mean Jesus is God? Now you have to consider that Elijah is name Jehovah is God, does that mean Elijah is God, of which some believe he never died? Does having el in one's name mean they are Elohim. Let's understand why God said what He did in Isaiah 7:14, first I want us to read Exod.17.7 And he called the place Massah and Meribah because the Israelites quarreled and because they tested the LORD saying, "Is the LORD among us or not?" (NIV) Now let's read Isaiah 7 now they were under threat of invasion by foreign nations and God said it won't happen Isa.7.10 - Not long after this, the LORD sent this message to King Ahaz: Isa.7.11 - "Ask me for a sign, Ahaz, to prove that I will crush your enemies as I have promised. Ask for anything you like, and make it as difficult as you want." Isa.7.12 - But the king refused. "No," he said, "I wouldn't test the LORD like that." So the statement God with us, is for us to believe God will save us for He is with us, save us from death from thirst or from invasion. |
The foundation of most modern churches is an error which comes from believing that Jesus is a god, and believing in god the son. Let's see if indeed Jesus is God from RCCG's publicly released beliefs RCCG beliefs ABOUT GOD: Ps. 33:6-9RCCG lists a number of verses about God. Speaking first about God before Jesus and then the Holy Spirit and then the trinity I want us to actually READ them Gen.1.1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Ps.86.9 - All the nations--and you made each one--will come and bow before you, Lord; they will praise your great and holy name. Ps.86.10 - For you are great and perform great miracles. You alone are God. The same Elohim, God, that created, is God alone, with no one else as God besides Him. Isa.43.10 - "But you are my witnesses, O Israel!" says the LORD. "And you are my servant. You have been chosen to know me, believe in me, and understand that I alone am God. There is no other God; there never has been and never will be. Isa.43.11 - I am the LORD, and there is no other Savior. Now LORD here is YHVH, now you may think ah if YHVH is savior then Jesus is YHVH First consider that God saves by sending someone with his power, second read the next verse Isa.43.12 First I predicted your deliverance; I declared what I would do, and then I did it--I saved you. No foreign god has ever done this before. You are witnesses that I am the only God," says the LORD. God told Abraham of the slavery of Israel and He came down to deliver them by sending Moses. God saves us through Jesus. Here again in Isaiah God does say Moses is God because He sent him but that He God YHVH is God alone. John.1.1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John.1.2 He was in the beginning with God. John.1.3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. RCCG wrote they believe God created both visible and invisible creatures and John 1:1-3 shows God used His word to create, like Hebrews 11:3. Now but John 1 isn't about God but about the word, why is it here? "Only God will be in existence forever. Ez. 3:14"; is this Ezra or Ezekiel, only Ezekiel has 3:14 which says Ezek.3.14 So the Spirit lifted me up and took me away, and I went in bitterness, in the heat of my spirit; but the hand of the LORD was strong upon me. See why I said let's read EVERYTHING blind trust is blindness. Either this is a mistake or it's purposely quoted here, but let's say it's Exodus 3:14 instead as my purpose is not to condemn typos Exod.3.14 God replied, "I AM THE ONE WHO ALWAYS IS. Just tell them, `I AM has sent me to you.'" This agrees with that God will always exist but where is the only God will be in existence forever? Let's leave this as it isn't clear so John.5.26 The Father has life in himself, and he has granted his Son to have life in himself. First this shows that the Him mentioned in John 1:4 is the Father and here we see that the Father gives the son, grants the son. Now the statement in their belief is that in God every creature receives life. Now Jesus receives life from God and for the son to have life in God Let's go the next one |
Nachmonides:This is you Nachmonides who wrote and I quote "I, however do not accept that his divine nature was exalted." 🤣🤣👍 |
Dtruthspeaker:NO, JESUS CHRIST NEVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN ISAIAH 33:22 |
Dtruthspeaker:I dodge your questions? Is that so? Look stop being a child of the devil if you lack understanding of an answer don't accuse them of dodging your questions and drag others into your nonsense. If you say o I reject your answer, that would be understandable but then you are denying that I have answered you, like those who deny God even after hearing Him. Just listen to yourself "The one I am interested in is in LORD/Lord which even you have just partly confessed refers to Jesus." There's no part confession anyway Jesus Christ is Lord not YHVH. And since your aim is to force me to say Jesus is God. Jesus is not God 😁👍 don't deceive yourself or force your deception on others. "That because Jesus is God that's why he is above the law." Please don't associate me with such nonsense, Jesus fulfilled the law, submitted to God and through him God gives grace and truth. If you like continue accusing me that I didn't answer your question that's your business, God before whom I stand knows I did and on that day will know if I did or not, or if you were just lying against me 😁😀 |
gohf:Nachmonides since yesterday you run o This one is 2, after all your nonsense noise for many days you ignored my first response and lied for many days that i never responded to you. Now just like I predicted you are avoiding it |
Nachmonides:but you said he has two natures right, one was honored while the other was restored, so which of the two is at the right hand of God or it both of them 😁 |
gohf:Nachmonides since yesterday you run o This one is 1. |
Nachmonides:so his human nature was honored so who is at the right hand of God his human nature or his divine nature? 🤣 |
Dtruthspeaker:Did you see Jesus there in Isaiah 33, or in the Isaiah 32 you quoted please show us let us see him |
Dtruthspeaker:like I am explaining you are not understanding the difference between LORD which represents YHVH and Lord which is used for Jesus Christ. Do you even know where Sarah called Abraham lord, using Peter writing it's kurion the same term used for Lord Jesus But using the Hebrew which I refer Genesis 18:12 Sarah says my adonai. Now if you had understood that Jesus is the husband of the Church would you keep asking me this over and over again? Expect you want to ask me how Jesus is the husband of the church, if not. If you don't understand my answer stop asking me |
FayaBall:the only message I have for you is to repent, to genuinely repent |
FayaBall:unlike you who false accuse, I am telling you, you're ignoring that you made a mistake, you are ignoring the truth and calling it an insult. Faya the proud man, the proudest of all, ignore whatever you want and demand whatever you want |
FayaBall:continue it's not the first time a child of the devil is an accuser. Children of God are quick to o, I did this wrong I apologize but to expect such from a unrepentant brood of viper who now wants to speak about God. You started with a foul and a false spirit |
FayaBall:as long as you know you are the air, are you expecting a better treatment are you that delusional |
FayaBall:What I see is someone that is incorrigible and unrepentant you probably feel in your heart there is no God, so how you behave doesn't matter, because if it does you wont come here thinking you can accuse anybody falsely and get away with it if you are not a brood of viper and an unrepentant accuser like the devil. Because after seeing it like you claim, you still choose to accuse me. Go and look for people like that and discuss with them |
FayaBall:Look don't think you can come accuse someone falsely and think you can waive it off and have a conservation with them. You are even been more disrespectful, are you sure you're okay. If you can't clearly admit your own mistake is it scripturally mistake you want to admit. Please don't mention me again. |
Nachmonides:you think you can confuse people by saying restoration is exaltation to mask the fact that Jesus was exalted and honored. Now not because he lacked honor but he was given greater honor but you don't want to accept that Jesus was given greater honor |
People are so very easy to deceive because they are so lazy to verify anything because jumping into conclusion. Dspeaker is confusing or believing that LORD which is YHVH is Jesus, one ball is now bouncing in from someone without even reading. You won't read, you won't study, the little you hear you run with it even when they try to tell you you're wrong, you are still running |
FayaBall:are you sure about that, so I wrote this after you response? gohf:It just shows you just jump from space without reason nor reasoning at all. Now will you consider yourself wise or foolish |
Nachmonides:or you were quick to respond this time, why are you avoiding the other posts 😁😀 |
FayaBall:you didn't read this answer or you skip through all of it? 1. Lord does not mean God, even Sarah called Abraham lord. Jesus is Lord and husband of the church, his bride. |
Dtruthspeaker:1. Lord does not mean God, even Sarah called Abraham lord. Jesus is Lord and husband of the church, his bride. 2. Isa.33.22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us. LORD is YHVH Are you asking if Jesus is coming to Judge the world at the second coming? Or that Jesus said somewhere he is coming to judge and then he confirmed that he is coming to judge? And come how did Isaiah 33:22 become my verse, is that not the correct verse of what you misquoted as Isaiah 32:22. And your original conversation is it not something about lawmaker. |
kingxsamz:he didn't want man to live past 120years I can say God did just that to our environment because then they lived on average 900yrs and now well 90years is already a blessing |
Nachmonides: Nachmonides:Please this is also you that wrote this "+++ Action of Sitting: Both agree on the command to "sit at My right hand," representing honor, authority, and exaltation." |
Steep:it's only you that understands english, infact you by yourself is dictionary. But somehow you don't even understand how you went from writing godhood to personhod that is why you are responding like this because if you did and this is your response then you are deceiving yourself. So your answer to the question , "when the man is a judge is he also teaching in the classroom, can he be all three at the same time? Is that God can be three people at the same time yes or no. Don't be cunny at least be straightforward for once. |
Nachmonides:👍 |
johnw47:look, I am not reading the bunch of nonsense you wrote up there, I can't even do so 😁 but kindly show us WHERE I said WAS is not correct grammar 😊 since this is the basis of your rant |
Dtruthspeaker:Are you okay? Is this not what you asked "See, even you know spelt it "lord" with small letters and not Lord/LORD as is usually used in reference of Jesus. So, you already know that this answer is invalid as Sarah was not referring to Abraham as Jesus Christ." Look it's like you have issues, let me speak to you in your disrespectful tone as well, if you had common sense why would you assume every one called a Lord is Jesus? |
Next verse they quoted 2Cor.13.14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Not three persons are mentioned but only one is God, the question remains where did they find Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God, may in the next verse they quoted Matt.28.19 - Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Matt.28.20 - Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age." "not merely three names for one Person." Is what they wrote but here we read from Matthew 28:19 IN THE NAME not nameS, but NAME. Now neither this third verse as well shows the basis of Deeper Life's believe in the Trinity and claim that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is also God. If God isn't one person with three names then how are three gods one? When the foundation is rotten the building will collapse. |
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It is clear you are quick to resort to abuses when you don't like what you see