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The difference between death by sacrifice and death by Judgement is that one is willing and the other is due to rebellion.

Jesus willingly took our place; for because of our sins we are destined to die and eternal death. While Satan is already condemned to die an eternal death for bringing sin into the world and God didn't send his Son to give a human life, he sent him with eternal life, a life not matter how much you subtract from it for our sakes, it will still be eternal and he would rise.


So God didn't condemn Jesus as he did Satan but glorified him for his role in His plan for our salvation.

DaddyCoool:
We are 100% sure He is God, worthy of worship. We may not fully understand mechanics of it all

you don't understand anything because the devil is am author of confusion, yet you claim to be sure of what you don't even understand.


Don't you even realize that God gives understanding and true wisdom is from above


All this nonsensical mysteries men and devils and trying to twist out from scripture will only bring death.


Worship the lamb of God, have you not read revelations. Why have you decided to become ignorant of what is plainly written to you and choose to be blinded by mysteries revealed by blinded men heading to hell...

DaddyCoool:
Jews even tried to stone Him for using the divine "I am", recognizing He was claiming to be God

story, this is why they picked up stones
John.8.58 Jesus answered, "The truth is, I existed before Abraham was even born!"

They saw him as crazy and a liar but later again they wanted to stone him because they like you thought Jesus called himself God

John.10.32 - Jesus said, "At my Father's direction I have done many things to help the people. For which one of these good deeds are you killing me?"
John.10.33 - They replied, "Not for any good work, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, have made yourself God."

but Jesus corrected them and said why do you call it blasphemy for me to call myself God's son when I am send from him. He called himself the Holy one, the son of God and explained that he and God are in agreement well they went from wanting to kill him to arresting him

John.10.36 - why do you call it blasphemy when the Holy One who was sent into the world by the Father says, 'I am the Son of God'?
John.10.38 - But if I do his work, believe in what I have done, even if you don't believe me. Then you will realize that the Father is in me, and I am in the Father."
John.10.39 - Once again they tried to arrest him, but he got away and left them.


If Jesus said he is God, then under the law he is meant to be killed and he would die a sinner. Do you understand and if he is God and lied about it, well then he would have been a liar. But none of that happened from beginning till the end, even though he didn't broadcast it, he admitted to being the son of God. Let's not act like we are wiser than him.

Nachmonides:
There's no disagreement with 1Timothy3:16. It is clear.


On the concept of Trinity, Apostle Paul doesn't explicitly mention the word Trinity, but his writings strongly reflect the concept.


Paul frequently references the Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit together in a way that suggests their distinct roles yet unified purpose:

2 Corinthians 13:14: "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit[/b] be with you all."

Ephesians 4:4–6: "There is one body and [b]one Spirit... one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all."


2. Jesus Christ's Divine Nature
Paul unequivocally affirms Jesus’ divinity:

Same Colossians we are on;
Colossians 2:9: "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."

Philippians 2:6–11: Paul describes Jesus as being in the form of God but humbling Himself to become human and obedient to death, emphasizing His equality with God.


3. The Holy Spirit as Divine
Paul views the Holy Spirit as the presence of God within believers:

Romans 8:9–11: Paul equates the Spirit of God with the Spirit of Christ, showing their unity in divine activity.

1 Corinthians 6:19: "Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?"


4. Paul’s Monotheism
Paul remains firmly rooted in Jewish monotheism, yet he reinterprets it in light of Christ:

1 Corinthians 8:6: "Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things came... and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." This verse shows Paul integrating Jesus into the Shema (The Shema declares that the Lord (YHWH) is the one and only God, emphasizing monotheism as central to Jewish belief. ) (Deuteronomy 6:4-5), a central affirmation of Jewish monotheism.

You're funny so everything you have written shows that Jesus is not God or are you saying that comes from God is God. Or whatever has divinity is God, so the spirit in us that is divine does it make us God?

Does having God makes one God.


There's only one God, YHVH
And one Lord, Adonai, Jesus Christ

DaddyCoool:
HE HIMSELF said he did not know everything. He didn't have to say it. He could have said it with some modifications. Instead He said it clearly and succinctly - that at that point He was talking to the apostles He did not know the date of His second coming

Speaking about what Jesus said
Did Jesus himself say he is God?

Father and Jesus testify about who he is, did the Father say that Jesus is God?

DaddyCoool:
Isn't it easier and more honest to say that Christ is God but doesn't know everything?

a god that doesn't know everything 🤣

GothamCities:
Do I need to be arguing with you?

Look at the screenshot below and see the real meaning of the Hebrew Word "Owlams" that was translated "Everlasting". That word does not mean Ancient times. The Jews translated it that way because they cannot come to terms with the fact that the Messiah who will be born of a woman is God. It's a deceptive translation at best. Just as the deception of the Jehovah Witnesses.

Whether is it Olam or qedem, whether you take it as everlasting or ancient times

My question for you, so Jesus is God because he came from ancient times and from everlasting.

So is the devil also god or he didn't come from ancient times?

Why are you treating Jesus coming from everlasting like it's something different from Jesus coming from God? Where in micah 5 was Jesus referred to as God?

No use story answer me please

GothamCities:
This brings us to a better understanding of what Jesus said in Acts 1:7. Honestly, I have struggled to understand that verse until tonight.

When the disciples were asking the Lord Jesus about the timing of His second coming, He answered them in Acts 1:7 which states:

"It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power."

The right thing Jesus was supposed to say is "...the time and the seasons which only the Father knows." If He had said that, it would have put a question on His omniscience. But He said the Father puts that in His power. I actually didn't understand the putting in His power phrase until tonight after reading the response from my brother Nachmonides.

Now, I understand that Jesus is speaking to His disciples here, telling them that it's not their responsibility to know the timing of the future event, - the restoration of the kingdom to Israel which happens only during the second coming. He emphasized that God the Father has reserved the right to determine the timing of the event, and it's not for humans to know or speculate about the exact timing.

This further proves that it's not a matter of Christ not being all knowing but a matter of understanding the individual roles in the Trinity.

DaddyCoool.

so Jesus is not fully God but a partial some knowing God?

Even when all revelation has been given to him and through him!

DaddyCoool:
Well, the Bible says He was fully God. See below.
"Fully God" implies "fully all-knowing". No?

bible never said so

Timothy 3:16 in Greek does not have the word God in it, what is written is, mystery of godliness who was manifestated in the flesh and justified by the spirit and seen of angels...

Colossians 2:9 doesn't call Jesus God, but said in him dwells the fullness of God something John wrote Jesus said when he said the Father is in him, and the word there is theotetos referring to God's divine nature in him.


Now if Jesus is God because he is full of God, are we the Holy Spirit because we are full of the Spirit?

GothamCities:
Even when Jesus said in John 8:58, "Before Abraham was, I am" The statement cannot be attributed to someone who had a begining.

The correct statement for a man to make even if such a man had existed before Abraham is "Before Abraham was, I was ."

But Jesus didn't say, He was. He said 'He is ' "Before Abraham was, I am". Meaning I have always being. I've always been existing before Abraham. I have no beginning. I am. There's no time in which I have not existed. I have always existed. I am. Not, "I was."

The Greek eimi means I exist and can also be used to mean I was. So you are wrong

GothamCities:
Does that negate the fact that the Messiah is from everlasting? No!

Jesus was not fully God in the days of His flesh. Neither was He fully man.

Modified

Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man. My statement above was in error but I appreciate my brother, Steep for correcting me.

However, to answer the question of why Christ didn't know the time of His coming, it is not a matter of Christ not being all knowing but a matter of respecting the separate responsibilities of the Father and Son. The matter of the timing is exclusively the Father's responsibility.

all this talk yet both before and after are in error

jaephoenix:
So you believe u would enjoy in heaven?
Do you have any evidence about its existence?

yes I do

Happy new year

Happy new year

Happy new year

Excellency10:
dey deceive yourself…… nor worry. Wen u go realize say religion na scam by then it will be too late

did I tell you anything about religion.

Should common sense not tell you that if there is evil there is good and there is someone who made a difference between the two.

Did your forefathers deceive themselves into believing things like ancestors or were they fools in believing that there's an afterlife?

What is my business if religion is a scam, what is your business if it is, why not focus and do what is right and good to those around you because it is those who do good that will be rewarded and not those who claim to believe or know God.

Happy Sunday and happy new year in advance

Happy Sunday and happy new year in advance

Happy Sunday and happy new year in advance

Happy Sunday and happy new year in advance

Happy Sunday and happy new year in advance

As many of us prepare to enter the new year, some will step into a place they haven't visited in a long time, "church" or even a "mosque". And while many may not bother with planning or praying for the coming year, there are those of us who will plan and pray, and this for those of us who will.

Now let us see what is written in the bible concerning planning and praying as the new year approaches.

Prov.16.1 To man belong the plans of the heart, but from the LORD comes the reply of the tongue.

† whatever we are planning let us receive God's go ahead, before we go ahead, be it marriage, business, work, investment, relocation or your new year resolution. Note God's response not man's response.

† Even in our planning we must know two things:

1. Prov.16.9 We can make our plans, but the LORD determines our steps.

2. Prov.21.30 Human plans, no matter how wise or well advised, cannot stand against the LORD.

† Because God is the one who determines the future and he already knows the outcome

It is written:
Isa.46.10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.

† So before we pray let us know, God already knows and so trust his decisions and directions.

Matt.6.8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

† And if you pray what goes against God's will for your life, if you pray amiss, well you won't get a response now would you.

Jas.4.3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.

† But no matter what let's not be anxious for tomorrow or for next year, and while we pray let's pray not with a grumbling heart but with a thankful one, for with thanks and praise we enter God's presence.

Phil.4.6 - Don't worry about anything; instead, pray about everything. Tell God what you need, and thank him for all he has done.
Phil.4.7 - If you do this, you will experience God's peace, which is far more wonderful than the human mind can understand. His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus.


† It is best to enter the new year with the Joy of the Lord which will be our strength and the peace of the Lord which surpasses all understanding.

And in our planning let's remember to,

Prov.3.5 - Trust in the LORD with all your heart; do not depend on your own understanding.
Prov.3.6 - Seek his will in all you do, and he will direct your paths.
Prov.3.7 - Don't be impressed with your own wisdom. Instead, fear the LORD and turn your back on evil.


Do have a wonderful and pure 2025 in advance 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

Happy Sunday and happy new year in advance

Happy Sunday

Excellency10:
with Jesus and without Jesus everybody Dey suffer for Nigeria. There is no special privilege for anybody weda u have Jesus or not

there's difference between temporary suffering and permanent suffering

Looking4Trouble:
With Jesus nah, so what? You better go and do useful things with your life

mention the useful things?

With Jesus 🎉🎉🎉

With all Nigerians have been through this year, I am glad many didn't commit suicide
I am glad many didn't give up hope in Jesus
I am glad you all get to see this post even with all we have been through this year


It's not the first time but hopefully it will not arise again next year ☺️

Heavenly race I no go tire
Remember me o Lord

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Looking at that at that John 4:24 I believe the purpose is to show that why we worship the Father in spirit is because He, God is spiritual, infact a better translation would be, the Spirit is God's and those worshipping must worship in that Spirit and truth.

So should the spirit of God be worshipped? No, but he it the one helping us worship God. Without the Holy Spirit we can't truly worship God.

There is a short prayer we pray:
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the sweet fellowship of the Holy Spirit, is what we recite regularly so let us recognize that there's one Lord, one God and one Spirit that dwells with us, fellowshipping with us.

So we receive grace from Jesus, and the purpose of the presence of the Holy Spirit is for fellowship and not to receive worship.


Let's say you read this
1Cor.6.19 Or don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself,

And then read this
1Cor.3.16 Don't you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you?.... Especially KJV that didn't add the all of you, now you may do maths and say well the temple of the Holy Spirit and the temple of God are the same therefore, the Holy Spirit is God but the miss the point that individually our bodies house the Holy Spirit as a temple and collectively we are a temple, like Peter writes
1Pet.2.5 And now God is building you, as living stones, into his spiritual temple. What's more, you are God's holy priests, who offer the spiritual sacrifices that please him because of Jesus Christ. (NLT) of which Christ is the cornerstone.

The conclusion is that any "spirit" in you or around you claiming to be god or accepting worship is not of God, for if the spirit of God dwells in you, you will worship Jehovah God our Father and worship the son, our Lord Jesus Christ.

(Do you realize that angels are made ministering spirits?!)

Posted Jan 2020, almost 5years ago

BlueAngel444:
God is a Spirit (a spiritual Being) and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth (reality). John 4:24

Please where in scripture is the Holy Spirit called God?

The above verse calls God a spiritual being, so are the angels that serve him, after all, they are not carnal beings.

Scripture calls the Holy Spirit, comforter, helper, Spirit of God, Spirit of the Lord but where does it call the Holy Spirit God?

I started searching scripture when someone said the spirit created... ?

Antichristian said, God is Omniscient while Jesus and the Holy Spirit ARE NOT omniscient. Therefore Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not God and only God is God. Q.E.D as his derivative conclusion.

In response, I read this, don't really understand the logic here but this what the OP said

"Infact one of the scriptures some use in acts

That is Acts 5:3-4 the scripture that people allude to meaning that the Holy Ghost is God

Here is my question how did Ananias lie?

My answer by taking some amount of money to the apostles while claiming it was whole the money.

Peter was insinuating that lying to the apostles was lying to the Holy Ghost which means lying to God.

Now if from just this verse we say that the Holy Ghost is God, then it should also be logical to say that the apostles are the Holy Ghost or are in turn God.

But if with understanding we see it as you lying to us means you lying to the one who sent us - the Holy Ghost, and who sent the Holy Ghost - God."

One person even mentions the seven spirits of God

OkCornel:
Remember the 7 spirits of God spoken of in the book of Revelation...

Then someone said 'the seven spirits of God is symbolical. It means the Holy Spirit in his full and complete manifestation." Hmm, then says, "Jesus was given the full measure"

Now John 3:34 was quoted, "For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him." And the OP asked so God the Father gave God to God?


This is the kind of confusion generated from trinity teaching and believing that the Holy Spirit is God. The OP also wrote, "Infact I tried looking for where glory or praise was given to the Holy Ghost in Revelations but I found none."


The explanation given for God sending God to God was
"Jesus incarnated as a human being and as such needed the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Jesus depended on the Holy Spirit for empowerment to fulfill his ministry and hence needed to be baptised with the Holy Spirit which took place on the day of his baptism. Jesus began his ministry after the Holy Spirit came upon him. Jesus became a man so he can fulfill the law his messianic role as a man."

And also saying that
"Glory or praise needs not to be ascribed to the Holy Spirit separately whenever God is praised the Holy Spirit is praised also because He is God.
Before the new testament Jesus was never accorded praise separately from God, it was only after his incarnation, after he was glorified as the messiah was he praised and worshipped distinctively from God."

Now the person answering obviously noted that in Revelations God is worshipped and the Lamb is worshipped separately as well but not the Holy Spirit. And while Jesus was on earth people praised him and bowed before him as well.


Saying that all three are the same person is what some teach as trinity, so to worship one is to worship the three.
OkCornel: "What the spirit is to man is same as what the Holy Spirit is to God.

Just as how man is a triune being (spirit, soul and flesh), so does the same apply to the God head. After all, we were created in HIS LIKENESS..."

Well what if I live after the flesh, shouldn't that also be the same as living after my soul and spirit since all three are the same?

The OP finally said something I want us to think about, "maybe because there are spirits that claim to be God, and desire worship" as to why we are to test all spirits because the spirit of God makes us testify that Jesus is Lord to the Glory of God. A point the last poster agrees with by saying, "The Holy Spirit doesn't have such role(head of the church) and is not worshipped separately infact the Holy Spirit glorifies and points to Christ as well as the Father.



Going through these threads I don't see why anyone would believe that the Holy Spirit is God nor continue to believe so. Do you?