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EcomogSoder:
Only 100 people will enter heaven and there is just only 10 Nigerians among them?. If you are a Nigeria born and live in Nigeria forget heaven is not for you

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MaxInDHouse:
Then keep your question to yourself.

i did 😊

Image123:
Lolz, self deception. What's the difference between this and the video below which almost every pastor says as priority.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNGp19woz5M?si=P-s9aFUJkElcsZkB

lovely message but didnt he take offering for plane on one sunday

PissInside:
The true servants of the living God are the unpopular pastors....And what they preach about is salvation and holiness.

Most of these big churches are business centers and all they preach is prosperity...They don't care if you're a sinner or not.

The most annoying thing is the way members idolize these men of God.

Only God knows who's truly serving him.

but popularity is not a sin

Centrik360:
If we say the Devil is using Abel Damina to attack the church, is Pastor Abioye also being used to attack the church too?

The truth cannot be buried forever.
The last time the truth was buried, it rose the third day.

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jesusjnr2020:
I don't think I need to add much to what Bishop Abioye said in the video because his preaching here sounds so much like mine, he seemed to have taken the words right out of my mouth.

I won't be surprised though if some were naive enough to accuse me of being the actual voice behind that preaching but editing it to make it seem as though it was Bishop Abioye, because this is the same thing i've been saying here since I began preaching in this forum several years ago, about the misplaced priorities of the church leaders, including the respect of church buildings, I even recently said this about David Oyedepo in the following thread.

But many ignorant Christians especially his church members, have accused me of being used by the devil to attack the church and divide Christianity with such preaching.

So what do they think of David Abioye saying just about the same thing of church leaders and it's pretty obvious the number 1 person he's speaking about.

Do they also think the devil is now using him to attack the church and divide Christianity?

Remember this is the former right-hand man of David Oyedepo and the closest man to him for many years. The same man who was there with Oyedepo when he started the church, and his second in command and most expected successor, until he was forcefully retired from the church by Oyedepo.

God bless.

please let us watch and listen to the clip before you read this comment here

And you, hmm, you didnt have to add salt and pepper, did you? Yes he may have left because oyedepo is building an ark that wont save anyone from any flood, meanwhile people are dying of hunger but was that the focus of his message? He spoke on correction, and accepting correction, o maybe he corrected oyedepo but he refused, who knows

But

There's no need to assume who he may be referring to, but focus on the context of his message is both to the people and to the leaders, that our focus should be souls not buildings

🤣 i love this

khalling2008:
Answer my question?
Did you accept that the mark was fabricated verses? Yes or No

I refuse to ☺

NNTR:
Can always bank to dodge answering the innocent and harmless questions with the typical JW shuffle and dancing round them

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

so Jesus is god of stories

NNTR:
Luke 18:19
Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good?
No one is [essentially and morally] good except God alone.

Mark 10:18
Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good?
No one is [essentially] good [by nature] except God alone

Psalm 23:1
The LORD is my Shepherd [to feed, to guide and to shield me],
I shall not want.

John 10:14
I am the Good Shepherd,
and I know [without any doubt those who are] My own
and My own know Me [and have a deep, personal relationship with Me]

MaxInDHouse, Janosky et al JWs, AntiChristian, please truthfully answer these easy, basic, direct, simple, thoughtful and straightforward critical thinking four questions:
1/ Is Jesus Good? Give a Yes or No answer
2/ If Jesus' being called Good what does that make Jesus?
3/ If the young ruler called Jesus Good, what was the young ruler considering Jesus is?
4/ Is God able, capable, and equipped to exist in more than one place at a time? (i.e. exist in heaven & physically on earth at the same)

cc'ed: iSense247, MightySparrow,

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

If anything that is good is God

Then
Gen.1.4 And God saw that it was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. (NLT)

Light is God

Gen.1.10 God named the dry ground "land" and the water "seas." And God saw that it was good. (NLT)


And here we have two more gods abi, after all this is even God himself saying it was good, abi them no good again

There are probably many gods made by God to govern us, right?

Gen.1.17 - God set these lights in the heavens to light the earth,
Gen.1.18 - to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.

Just look up and you will see them. 🥱

Happy sunday

Happy sunday

khalling2008:
Did you accept that the mark was fabricated verses? Yes or No

Mark 16:15-17
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world,and preach the gospel to every creature.He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved; But he that believeth not shall be damned".

i choose option 3 already

MaxInDHouse:
Now ask budaatum if she agree with what you just quoted that she supposed to be in the gathering of those who are learning from men serving as Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers or she's just talking about learning whatever and anywhere she wants!

why should i when you didnt even answer me

khalling2008:
Stop quoting fabricated verses

Bible versions relegated verses 9-20 of Mark Chapter 16 to a footnote.then they give the reason why:

“The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9–20”
http://niv.scripturetext.com/mark/16.htm

i quoted matthew and acts for you

Happy sunday

Happy sunday

Happy sunday

khalling2008:
Mark 16:15-17
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world,and preach the gospel to every creature.He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved; But he that believeth not shall be damned".

THE BIG PROBLEM OF CONTRADICTION AND EVIDENCE OF INTERPOLATION!

Aside from the fact that Mark 16:15-17 contradicts the three verses in Matthew which explicitly confirm that Jesus was only sent to/for the Jews,there is also the problem of interpolation or fabrication in Mark Chapter 16.

In all bibles you can think of and check by yourself,Mark Chapter 16 ends at verse no.8. Verses 9-20 are not found in all bibles.verses 9-20 are relegated to a footnote because of lack of "authenticity" for it to be part of the "gospel".here is the reason from the "horse's mouth" that the bible authors themselves give:

Bible versions relegated verses 9-20 of Mark Chapter 16 to a footnote.then they give the reason why:

“The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9–20”
http://niv.scripturetext.com/mark/16.htm

Matt.28.19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (NKJV)

...

Acts.1.8 But when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, you will receive power and will tell people about me everywhere--in Jerusalem, throughout Judea, in Samaria, and to the ends of the earth." (NLT)

khalling2008:
You are now saying Jesus and Bible was wrong for mentioned 12 tribes. Bring your evidence from the Bible where it says other tribes and the Christianity?

"where it says other tribes and the christianity" 😕
"You are now saying.. was wrong"

MaxInDHouse:
Learn what?

Eph.4.11 - He is the one who gave these gifts to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers.
Eph.4.12 - Their responsibility is to equip God's people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ,
Eph.4.13 - until we come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God's Son that we will be mature and full grown in the Lord, measuring up to the full stature of Christ.

khalling2008:
Bring any verses where Jesus said he will die for the sin of the world?

Another statement from the Jesus himself was that he sent to only the lost sheep of Israel. Are you among the load sheep of Israel?

Matthew 10:5-6
"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel

Matt.28.19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (NKJV)

Mark.16.15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. (NKJV)

Acts.1.8 But when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, you will receive power and will tell people about me everywhere--in Jerusalem, throughout Judea, in Samaria, and to the ends of the earth." (NLT)

Nawa4nl:
Jesus died for the sins of the world not just the Jews.

Joh 1:29 KJV The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

That's why the bible says WHOEVER calls on the Lord will be saved, not just Jews.

Act 2:21 KJV And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

So when the bible says specifically that Jesus will be a light to the gentiles, wetin gentile mean to you?

Act 26:23 KJV That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

You are also wrong Jesus didnt die for the sins of the world and he didnt die for just the jews, he died for God's people for all time, from beginning till the end.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is WRONG!

CHURCH is the assembly of Christians who are encouraging one another to keep doing the preaching and teaching work without let up!

how is he wrong that the church is where we learn, must he be wrong for you to be right?

khalling2008:
Only the 12 tribes of Israel will enter the kingdom of heaven not Christianity.

Jesus didn't know you, he didn't know any Christianity, the word " Christianity was not mentioned by Jesus. Jesus only sent to Israel and he will judge 12 tribes of Israel

Matthew 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel

wrong not only the 12tribes, Jesus wasnt sent to the 12 tribes, the jews are just one tribe, Judah and he wasnt sent just for them.

Them sitting on 12 thrones isnt because there are only 12 thrones, or are you saying Judas has a throne and is a judge as well. There were apostles to other nations as well

jesusjnr2020:
Christmas Tree Or Idola-Tree? Santa Or Satan?

I saw this profoundly intriguing post on Facebook which analysed the Christmas tree in a way I'd never seen before yet seemed to make a lot of sense, I had to share it here.

It was so comprehensive and detailed, it touched on just about every aspect of the tree, from the top to the bottom and also the shape.

It also exposed the truth behind the word Santa.

See it for yourself below.

God bless.

I thought the main purpose of the tree is to hold the star especially during the drama birth of Jesus.

Sometimes the meaning of things can change overtime, for example samaritan at some point meant someone to be avoided by the jews but because of Jesus the meaning changed to mean someone who does good to others.


We can decide to believe it is for evil or take it for good, though i do know Jesus wasnt born on 25th december neither are we required to celebrate his birthday but well doing so spreads the message of Jesus and shows our love for him. I do not support the presence corruption of it, and idolization of father christmas, santa claus but I believe in the true Father who gave us all the best gift, an opportunity for salvation.

So we can either completely stand against it and if we cant, we can at least use it for good as an opportunity to reach out, to love, and to evangelize the gospel of Jesus Christ.

OkCornel:
So you’re telling us Revelation 12 v 10 is isolated from Revelation 12 v 11-12? 🤷

You’re also telling us Satan has been hurled down to earth in Revelation 12 v 10?

Read the scripture and the bible again, whether you agree or not is your choice but do not say you were ignorant for the truth is here before you today.

nations! (NKJV)
This happened when Jesus won the battle
That's why verse 15
Isa.14.15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. (NKJV)

This is yet to happen, and like Revelation says it happens just before the millennium reign


Ezekiel prophecies it as well
Ezek.28.8 - They shall throw you down into the Pit, And you shall die the death of the slain In the midst of the seas.
Ezek.28.9 - "Will you still say before him who slays you, "I am a god'? But you shall be a man, and not a god, In the hand of him who slays you.

It has not yet happened. Yes he was cast out from God's presence as Moses wrote in Genesis and roamed the earth but he sneaked into the assembly of God's children when they present themselves before the LORD.



I hope you all understand. God bless

OkCornel:
Are you telling us the tribulations believers are facing right now is the great tribulation in Revelation 12 v 17 and Revelation 13?

This is what is written
Rev.12.17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (NKJV)


And Revelation 13 speaks of the deceptions of the devil and his agents
For example
Rev.13.14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. (NKJV)

Is this when you think the great tribulations started?


And Jesus said
Matt.24.21 - For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt.24.22 - And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.
Matt.24.23 - "Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ!' or "There!' do not believe it.
Matt.24.24 - For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Now this is what I asked you; If there are no tribulations why are you even wrestling?


Did I say we are in the great tribulations?
And even if we are, it means the sixth seal has been opened and the trumpets have been sounding

Did you not read Revelation 7 I quoted
Rev.7.14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


If there is no point to your question will there be a point in receiving an answer?

OkCornel:
I am replying your initial position here;

funny but this here is the truth

What you wrote
"Do a bit of study and tell me the difference between

1) Heavenly realms in Ephesians 6 v 12 (epouraniois in greek) and;
2) Their place in heaven in Revelation 12 v 8 (topos ouranō in greek)"

And what I responded
You that has studied why don't you say the answer

But you claim you response that "If you read Revelation 12 v 11-12 carefully, I hope you know that was referring to the dead in Christ.
Those still alive in Christ are to put on the armour of God and keep on fighting - Ephesians 6 v 12." Which is supposed to answer the difference between heavenly places and heaven is associated with my quote of Revelation 12:10.. claiming it responds to this

Is a lie for there is no connection only confusion.

OkCornel:
So...if the great tribulation is yet to happen and Ephesians 6 v 12 is still valid, how have you concluded the war in heaven has happened and Satan and his angels have lost their place in heaven?

If there are no tribulations why are you even wrestling?

If there was no victory then why should should we even stand firm?

the war is over but the battle remains, for the enemy is still looking to destroy

You never believed in the victory that was won by Christ, so why do you see for answers?

OkCornel:
If you read Revelation 12 v 11-12 carefully, I hope you know that was referring to the dead in Christ.
Those still alive in Christ are to put on the armour of God and keep on fighting - Ephesians 6 v 12.

and how does this your response explain the difference between heavenly places and heaven?

OkCornel:
Refuse to accept what exactly?

there is heaven of the second day and heavens of Genesis 1:1

There is heaven God's throne above the heavens, the heaven of heavens and there is heavenly places, spiritual realms, where souls dwell.

I am not in the business of numbering them nor mapping them, 3rd heaven or the like. But it is clearly written that they have been trampled, you do not trample upon what hasn't been defeated.

If you cannot accept what the truth that is written you will not accept the truth been revealed.