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sowilli:
Motive matters in everything. The objective of tithing is not to get rich. It’s simply obedience. It’s you having a quality walk with God. If your motive to tithe is to be rich, you will not get rich. Infact you will not have the courage to keep on. Riches are additions that come because of obedience. Just so you know every rich man believe in the concept of tithing. They may not call it tithe but they believe they must give at least a tenth out. If you have had the privilege to leave the shores of Nigeria, you will see that this concept is one of the factors that has helped the great nations combined with diligence and honesty in dealings.

obedience to who, Jesus or to men?

Michael547:
You can answer the question. Was he created as the devil?

That was not your question, this was
"Is it also justice for God to burn the devil forever since he did not sin forever?"

Answer mine and I will answer both.

chiboycue:
I do not pay tithe because I want to be as rich as King Solomon or Elon Musk or because of what some Men of God say about tithing. Rather I pay tithe in obedience to God's Word in Malachi 3:8-12. There is nothing as good as the blessings that comes from obeying God's Word

Who do you think God was talking to and what do you think is the purpose of his message in Malachi 3.
Do you think God who said this would now start talking and caring about money

Mal.3.7 Yet from the days of your fathers You have gone away from My ordinances And have not kept them. Return to Me, and I will return to you," Says the LORD of hosts. "But you said, "In what way shall we return?' (NKJV)

Before you say you are obeying God's word make sure it is not satan that is quoting it for you. Remember how satan quoted from middle of psalm 91 but didn't say dwell in the secret place of God but jump down.

And God was speaking to the priests from Malachi 2, those who had access to God's storehouse. Did you know the priests received the tithe of tithes.

Now you say you obey God, so do you bring ALL your tithe which is 33% do you? Do you give it to the right people ordained by God to receive them?

Before you claim and assume to obey God like Saul verify and confirm what God expects from you

Michael547:
🤣🤣🤣🤣baba don run.
Is it also justice for God to burn the devil forever since he did not sin forever?

did the devil stop sinning from the beginning?

Fibonacci88:
Why the plenty messages against tithe especially from so called Christians. If ur faith is tied to tithe giving do it with a Godly heart nad don't condemn those who don't connect their faith with tithe. Also if u don't believe in it don't condemn those who believe in it. It all comes down to your faith. I used to pay my tithe all through last year but I found out I was seeing it as a burden and wasn't doing it willingly. But the bible says we should give not grudgingly or of necessity for God loves a cheerful giver. I am not proud that I have stopped giving my tithe I still pray for God's grace to come to that level where I pay my tithe without seeing it as a burden. However, I have given to my church's project and development far more than what I would have given as tithe on 6 months. I find out that I freely give to kingdom advancement and gospel outreach without holding back and God has been blessing me. In all pray for grace to give to God willingly either it's tithe or free will offering for the expansion of God's kingdom. The overemphasis on tithe above spiritual gifts is what churches need to tone down on.

Why the plenty messages against a lie, against fraud, against what doesn't give God glory... Because many are being mislead and going to hell because of it.

Having faith in a lie doesn't save anyone, it is having faith in Jesus and obeying him that does.

You cannot give money to darkness, and honor liars and hope that God is pleased about it, maybe because of God's mercy the ignorant are spared when he sees their heart but what about does who have come to know the truth but reject it anyway.


You are here saying, "However, I have given to my church's project and development far more than what I would have given as tithe on 6 months." is that the kingdom of God that Jesus said we should invest in? Please tell me you at least give the poor and help the needy that are around and close to you, pls tell me you honor your parents and there's no believer lacking around you that you didn't neglect to pay your tithe and build their projects.

Tell me that the project gave help and hope and brought men to see a loving Father. Tell me that Jesus would commend you for feeding and clothing the believers who are in lack and need.

I am happy that you give for outreaches and God is blessing you, but that outreach do they reveal Jesus and teach men to obey him or is it for growing their churches and pockets.

I pray what you finance is of God and not for evil. The emphasis should ALWAYS BE ON OBEDIENCE TO GOD'S WORD, JESUS for its the Holy Spirit that manifests the gifts of God through those who submit to God.

DrAda:
I feel this conversation will draw out more than it ordinarily should. Please believe what you will... It's hard enough understanding your write up. Later

It was never for you

Read it again

This here is obedience not quoting because she needs me to tell her but you all reading to see an example of what you should do...[/b]


But this is what I will tell you, be calm and be patient when you do not understand

Juddithaa:
Just to point out something important though. Righteousness is by believing, acknowledging, accepting and confessing the substitutionary sacrifice of Jesus on the cross(being born again) and not by deeds.

and because we believe we are credited righteousness, like one who is being paid for a work they are expected and they are yet to do.

Add to your faith, goodness. Faith without works is dead. For the very works are the works of love. For if we love him we keep his commandments not because they save us but as a testimony to others a light showing others God's love and that Jesus lives, works that bring help, that brings life to others. Works that show God is at work in us and through us. A cross we carry and follow Jesus and not the one carried for us.

DrAda:
Not sure i get you. Are you implying that I am heading straight to hell? Do you actually know what hell looks like? Does anyone?

Why would you when you are obeying Jesus

Read it again

Samantha125:
I was once a member of a prospering church during my fellowship days in varsity... They made tithing their top priority to a point that if you don't give, you'd feel guilty... One day I decided to give a small tithe even though I had some good money in my wallet when I visited one of our fellowship church branches for a Sunday service... And on my way back, I felt so guilty that I ended up giving most of the money I had to this elderly lady I didn't know.

They'll always say things like, "if you give, blessings shall come your way, you shall be victorious in all that you do and more riches will come your way."

And whenever they preach, they'd like to refer to what the pastor says rather than what the Bible says... Tithing started becoming a competition amongst the members of the fellowship and the sisters would compete with their Sunday outfits... Me I was from a simple biblical church back home and the whole thing was a shock to me considering how it wasn't long before I became a Christian... One Sunday I went to the church wearing these new shoes that my dad had just bought me and one sister ran after me after church and she started complimenting the shoes... And as we were talking, she then asked me to borrow her my shoes for the next Sunday service.

I thought she was joking, but she followed me to my place of residence after our weekday service and asked for the shoes once more... She promised to wear them only once for the Sunday service and return them. I eventually gave her the shoes and she did came wearing them the following Sunday... It took months for her to finally return them and by the time she returned them, she had spoilt them... I was really bothered because I had been disturbing my father for those shoes for a while.

Like most of the fellowship members, she'd use her monthly allowance to buy new clothes for Sunday services and tithing... Sometimes she'd spent all her money on tithing that she'd not even have money to buy sanitary pads.

I then decided to slowly backslide from the day they elected me in my absence as the new cell leader... I started associating with the other leaders and that's when I saw that not everything is as it seems... Many of those leaders were fornicating and cohabiting with their girlfriends and boyfriends and to them it wasn't a big deal... But for me it went against the teachings of my church back home.

And as leaders we were allocated the amount of tithe that we were supposed to give and it was a lot considering that we were just students... I protested against it, but they'd use the head pastor's preachings against me... I then asked them how come many of them are fornicating freely when the bible says "the body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for God? And again I reminded them that sexual immorality and greed is regarded as improper for God's disciples, but they told me that their head pastor doesn't mind masturbation.

That was my queue for me to leave... My faith was crashed because I really loved that church.

This is an example of what I am talking about, this thing leads people to hell, it doesn't save souls the devil is using it to destroy lives because he has blinded them to not know that they are worshipping money.


But many of you are fixated on testimonies that may have been from the devil, the longest scammer existing.


Don't let go of the testimony of Jesus that comes from the Spirit of prophecy that overcomes the devil.

afadi2410:
Wait,I want to ask one question,was there anywhere in the bible where God said he will make tithers the richest people in the world?

NEVER NOT ANYWHERE

DrAda:
I guess you all are becoming enlightened..

Welcome to reality. Tithing is not mandatory. Same with salvation. It's entirely up to you..

Personally, I have never paid tithe to a church. What I occasionally do, emphasis on "occasionally", is to give part of my salary to people in need.

A I losing favours or grace because of it? I honestly can't tell and neither cna anyone

This here is obedience not quoting because she needs me to tell her but you all reading to see an example of what you should do and not wait till death and hear why didn't you live like her.


We all have a choice follow those doing God's will whether they know bible or not, follow them, no excuse will save anyone on that day

Menclothing1:
Nobody pay it and said he want to be the richest
You won’t lack again once you paying and a way for church growth contribution

this is a lie and souls are perishing because of this lie

Druss:
Tithing is not about salvation. Paying your tithe is not the way to heaven. GOD paid the price already. None of our actions provides justification to make heaven. It is by GOD's will and grace alone that this happens.

As clearly stated, each Christian is meant to have a personal relationship with GOD. Do as your spirit leads.

I agree but we do as the HOLY SPIRIT leads

lexy2014:
if biblical principles is a personal thing, then stealing, immorality, homosexuality, corruption can also be a personal thing.

do whatever you like as long as it is personal

exactly will people enter the kingdom of God because they were doing their own will and not God's will

Michael547:
What of pastors who claim that if you don't pay tithe, You will be poor, windows will not open and that those who don't pay will go to hell fire? Are they not forcing their members to pay with such teachings?

THEY WILL ALL BURN IN FIRE

2Pet.2.3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction is on the way. (NLT)

Druss:
Are we discussing this again? If you are born again and consult with your father in heaven, then the answer is in his word. I tithe and I sow seeds.

You cannot reap without sowing. That is the rule by which people become rich. That is the way of this universe. You don't have to be a Christian to be wealthy. Read Ecclesiastes to understand Solomon's thoughts on wealth. Who said both gentlemen didn't tithe?

NB Paying tithe is not about wealth.

Paying tithe is about being under the law of Moses, it's about neglected and rejecting the finished work of Jesus Christ and not being in Christ but claiming to be in Abraham or in Israel who commited the sin of Idolatry and brought about the institution of levitical priesthood of which Jesus is not a part of.

Paying tithe is about being an outsider looking for a widow to open while Jesus opened to way into the kingdom of God and says Peter who pays, sons or strangers and Jesus said sons are free but you live in ignorance and treat God the Father who will receive from by asking as a wicked man who will punish those who do not pay him.

Do you think that such insolence and disobedience to Jesus would grant you eternal life?

Amumaigwe:
I agree with you that tithing is personal. But the problem is that the pastors are making it seem compulsory and guilt trip those who dare not to pay.

tithing is not a personal decision when Jesus is our Lord and master and we are to obey him and we are to obey him to give and not to pay tithe to thieves not listen to them nor follow them

chrisxxx:
Criticism of tithing should stop. Pastors should carry reorientation of their members that tithing these days is not necessarily biblical but a measure to support the propagation of the gospel.
Churches power their facilities and maintain equipment. They pay some hands to do this. They go for evangelism and even run charity. The funds for these can come from tithing amongst others. This is the particular reason I pay what looks like tithing but not necessarily tithing. It is just to support the propagation of the gospel.

I agree and like what you are written but the point is not criticism it is correction especially as it regards the souls of men.


Devil is a long time scammer he doesn't care what you gain for you to lose your soul.

We have already seen prosperity false messages eat like a cankerworm deep into not only our society but those who actually desired to know God but only ended up with desires for material blessings as evidence of God's open heavens

Nwaikpe:
You can't promote falshood.
There is nothing like "if you like pay if you like don't pay."
Just like saying, when the issue of "money for heaven" was still reigning, then you tell people, if you like, pay for heaven if you like, don't pay.

It is falsehood, and it must be preached against.

God bless you

People think God will reward them for falsehood or for supporting such

OriOko88:

Una no wan still get sense for this tithing of a thing. Dem no dey force u to pay now. Infact for church,when I get broke I no dey stand up for my seat during offering time. Nobody go from force me to stand. So what's d fuss!

Tithe is personal,if u like pay,if u like don't pay, Jehovah witness wey no dey pay tithe,dem no dey live? Or living good life? Abeeg
I pay tithe and I'm happy with it. I pay it to God so I don't care if any pastor embezzles it or not. It's my damn money not urs. So shove ur opinion down ur asss Mr Op

If you continue like this and you leave this world and you are asked accountability for how you spent your worldly riches what would your answer be?

I spent it according to what men who were lying and defrauding people said or I obey Jesus and use it the way he instructed us to?

You're happy paying tithe but is God happy?

Let's not deceive ourselves that tithe is for God, even the original correct tithe given to the right people by God were for them and not for Him, so you are not paying God for anything because did he ask you to do so?


The wages of sin is death, and sin is unbelieve of those who do not believe the words of Jesus and obey him like God commanded

nairalee:
This tithe issue is become so stale

If u like pay
If u like don't pay

No need over flogging this horse
Just do whatever rocks your boat

that's what you think, but actions have consequences and if we are to answer for every careless word we speak what about our accountability before God for what we use our money to do.


Did we obey Jesus with it or obeyed men

Chucks13:
You are right.

he is wrong, what if your personal preference and will leads you to hell?

Tom1960:
When I realized this in 2021, I stopped paying tithe. From then up to now, doing the same job, I have made more money than the whole period I was paying tithe. I'm not saying I'm the richest man in my community or profession. It's my own story.

but remember to obey Jesus and give to the poor, and to those who truly serve God, to those in need, be it strangers or your enemy share the love of God but make sure you honor your parents and not be in debt or owe no one

deeway200:
Tithing is personal. I don't pay it but won't criticize anyone who does. If you believe in it , who am I to stop you and if you don't,who am I to compel you. Do anything that works for you

And what if paying tithe leading one to hell?

MadamVanessa:




Tithing has never been a guaranteed path to wealth. Preachers who manipulate their congregation into paying tithes with the promise of riches are, in fact, exploiting them. Interestingly, many of the world's wealthiest individuals are not Christians and are unfamiliar with the concept of tithing, yet they have amassed generational wealth.

Do not be deceived by charlatans masquerading as God's servants. They distort the true nature of God by emphasizing tithing, portraying Him as a financial multiplier or a Ponzi scheme where you invest and expect a larger return. This misguided narrative undermines the true essence of God.

Jesus told us to give to THE POOR, those in need, our brothers and sisters in the Lord, strangers in need of help and even our enemies


YET NEVER DID JESUS TEACH GIVE TO GOD SO THAT YOU CAN BE RICH ON EARTH.


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MajorOvakporaye:
It is men that constantly tell us to give to 'God'. What if God doesn't even want us to give to Him? God is immaterial and so doesn't need material gratifications. Religious scammers everywhere.

Jesus told us to give to THE POOR, those in need, our brothers and sisters in the Lord, strangers in need of help and even our enemies


YET NEVER DID JESUS TEACH GIVE TO GOD SO THAT YOU CAN BE RICH ON EARTH.

I have liked your posts, pity would have nairaland doesn't have 💕 or 🤗

jesusjnr2020:
The whole point of this topic is that when you tithe, make prayer requests or do whatever you want to do unto God, let it not be because you were seeking prosperity or riches for yourself from God, instead let it be because you love God and were seeking after His kingdom and righteousness, that's the only time whatever you do would please God.

And you know what that possibly means - Ask King Solomon, world richest man that ever lived.

God bless.

the problem is those who are taught tithing are taught to expect blessings in return. Like you shared when people go to them for help they say are you tithing if no we can't help, if yes then God will help you.


They are leading themselves and souls to hell

Bizaustine:
Firstly Tithing is for Believers and Children of the PROMISE of YE-SHUA (Salvation)
Those who give to the purpose you mention do not have a place in God.

If a person like let them give from now till eternity, if You have not truly repented, the person is not a candidate for God. He is just a plus in the Work of God, He is not WALKING for God.

We are talking about believers here. Do You think not paying tithe will take one whose Soul has been won by Christ to hell?

Every true Christian should want to pay tithe, I mean should we not all be concerned about God's Work?? I don't give too much time to the topic.

Those believers are not the ones in Christ who believe in the price Jesus paid to set them free.

Jesus asked Peter, who pays, sons or strangers and Peter said strangers, to which Jesus responded to the sons are free

Who the son of man sets free is free indeed

But the devil uses men blinds them and puts them under the bondage of the law promising them blessings.

A soul that is won is one that endures until the end OBEYING THE WORDS OF JESUS and not the doctrines and traditions of men. Those who love and give food, water and clothes who are righteous in the sight of God, not those who mismanage what the Lord has given them and giving it to shrines and idols in the name of churches.

Did they do God's will or their own will.

Didijiji:
I tithe and the reason is that church needs money to run, fuel generators, pay workers etc not because of pastors ..

And my church isn’t one of those one-Man owned Daddy Go churches that manages inflow and outflow with wives and children as signatories

church needing money isn't an excuse to lie steal and defraud, while misusing the name of God for vain things.


Should a man of God lie so that people will have faith because the ends justifies the means? It is evil

kuntash:
Another thread with the sole purpose of discouraging the propagation of Gods word or message.

You use the false teachers or insincere priests as justification, whereas you don't proffer any alternative how to propagate the message.
Go and find out how difficult it is if spread Gods word these days especially over the internet.
You condemn tithes and offerings and expect the structure of the house of God to be maintained and fixed by who ?


DO YOU KNOW WHAT SOLOMON DID BEFORE GOD BLESSED HIM? LETS TRY NOT TO BE AN AGENT AGAINST THE SPREAD OF THE WORD OF GOD

Solomon did far more than tithing, and he also suffered the consequences of drifting away from God's ways despite his promise of God in blessing for his life ...


The wiles of the enemy is quite tough and potent these days , Let Christians be well guided especially when you are quite fresh in the race or considering accepting Christ .


May God's grace be sufficient!

Was it recorded anywhere that God appeared to anyone because of the tithe they gave, all through scripture from Genesis to Malachi, why did God wait till Malachi to curse, why weren't there records of people being forced or arrested or punished for not giving it, yet under grace the devil propagates in a corruptible way to lure souls into worshippinh mammon and ending up in hell.


Jesus said he will build his church, when did was his church ever built on money for the true believers and church still stands but this fakes make a lot of noise winning men and making them a worse child of the devil than they are.

kennethesan:
This tithing subject has been Overflugged. Keep your tithe if you feel otherwise. It will still not amount to sin if you don't pay tithe and become another Elon.

The bottom line is that you don't want to pay tithe. Just do as you pls

is it really being overflugged?

If it's not from Jesus and won't lead to salvation?

Then what does it lead to? Who is it from? The flesh, carnal or the devil?


If we do our will would we be accepted? Would we be accepted for going against God's will?


They threatened people with a curse yet curse is anyone who doesn't keep all the law, and they made people obey a lie, and improper interpretation of the law, not 33%, not to the Levitical priests, the poor and the like but to themselves and their idols.

They made people worship money, give for blessings and security and bragged about it.

Overflugged? You say, people blinded began to serve money thinking they were serving God, building the kingdoms of men instead of the kingdom of God.

If by mercy their heart pleased God who would reward them for tithing when the reward is for those who gave the hungry, the thirsty and the brethren who had no clothes or shelter a cover.

Bizaustine:
Op You are misunderstanding the sponsoring thought to Tithing.

The same promise of Tithing in the Old testament still lives on till today. God's words always come to pass.

Tithing cannot take You to heaven or hell.
It is part of giving to God but on a different dimension.

Most of the richest men in the World are mad givers, giving attracts blessings, so does given directly for God's work. King Solomon You mentioned is a massive giver.

I have a friend who owns one of the biggest eateries in Ado Ekiti, the gee gives 30% of his Monday morning sales to a particular Church that's taking care of an orphanage home.

Giving attracts blessings. It's a Natural phenomenon. How then can You see Tithing which is given directly for God's work has never made anyone rich??

you said tithing cannot take one to hell?

If you give money to idol worshippers, to shrines, to JuJu makers, witch doctors, will you go to heaven?


If you offer strange fire God did not ask for will you be spared?

Do you think God accepts what he doesn't ask for or what he doesn't want, did he accept Cain's offering, did he accept Saul's offering?