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Looking at that at that John 4:24 I believe the purpose is to show that why we worship the Father in spirit is because He, God is spiritual, infact a better translation would be, the Spirit is God's and those worshipping must worship in that Spirit and truth.

So should the spirit of God be worshipped? No, but he it the one helping us worship God. Without the Holy Spirit we can't truly worship God.

There is a short prayer we pray:
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the sweet fellowship of the Holy Spirit, is what we recite regularly so let us recognize that there's one Lord, one God and one Spirit that dwells with us, fellowshipping with us.

So we receive grace from Jesus, and the purpose of the presence of the Holy Spirit is for fellowship and not to receive worship.


Let's say you read this
1Cor.6.19 Or don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself,

And then read this
1Cor.3.16 Don't you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you?.... Especially KJV that didn't add the all of you, now you may do maths and say well the temple of the Holy Spirit and the temple of God are the same therefore, the Holy Spirit is God but the miss the point that individually our bodies house the Holy Spirit as a temple and collectively we are a temple, like Peter writes
1Pet.2.5 And now God is building you, as living stones, into his spiritual temple. What's more, you are God's holy priests, who offer the spiritual sacrifices that please him because of Jesus Christ. (NLT) of which Christ is the cornerstone.

The conclusion is that any "spirit" in you or around you claiming to be god or accepting worship is not of God, for if the spirit of God dwells in you, you will worship Jehovah God our Father and worship the son, our Lord Jesus Christ.

(Do you realize that angels are made ministering spirits?!)

Posted Jan 2020, almost 5years ago

BlueAngel444:
God is a Spirit (a spiritual Being) and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth (reality). John 4:24

Please where in scripture is the Holy Spirit called God?

The above verse calls God a spiritual being, so are the angels that serve him, after all, they are not carnal beings.

Scripture calls the Holy Spirit, comforter, helper, Spirit of God, Spirit of the Lord but where does it call the Holy Spirit God?

I started searching scripture when someone said the spirit created... ?

Antichristian said, God is Omniscient while Jesus and the Holy Spirit ARE NOT omniscient. Therefore Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not God and only God is God. Q.E.D as his derivative conclusion.

In response, I read this, don't really understand the logic here but this what the OP said

"Infact one of the scriptures some use in acts

That is Acts 5:3-4 the scripture that people allude to meaning that the Holy Ghost is God

Here is my question how did Ananias lie?

My answer by taking some amount of money to the apostles while claiming it was whole the money.

Peter was insinuating that lying to the apostles was lying to the Holy Ghost which means lying to God.

Now if from just this verse we say that the Holy Ghost is God, then it should also be logical to say that the apostles are the Holy Ghost or are in turn God.

But if with understanding we see it as you lying to us means you lying to the one who sent us - the Holy Ghost, and who sent the Holy Ghost - God."

One person even mentions the seven spirits of God

OkCornel:
Remember the 7 spirits of God spoken of in the book of Revelation...

Then someone said 'the seven spirits of God is symbolical. It means the Holy Spirit in his full and complete manifestation." Hmm, then says, "Jesus was given the full measure"

Now John 3:34 was quoted, "For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him." And the OP asked so God the Father gave God to God?


This is the kind of confusion generated from trinity teaching and believing that the Holy Spirit is God. The OP also wrote, "Infact I tried looking for where glory or praise was given to the Holy Ghost in Revelations but I found none."


The explanation given for God sending God to God was
"Jesus incarnated as a human being and as such needed the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Jesus depended on the Holy Spirit for empowerment to fulfill his ministry and hence needed to be baptised with the Holy Spirit which took place on the day of his baptism. Jesus began his ministry after the Holy Spirit came upon him. Jesus became a man so he can fulfill the law his messianic role as a man."

And also saying that
"Glory or praise needs not to be ascribed to the Holy Spirit separately whenever God is praised the Holy Spirit is praised also because He is God.
Before the new testament Jesus was never accorded praise separately from God, it was only after his incarnation, after he was glorified as the messiah was he praised and worshipped distinctively from God."

Now the person answering obviously noted that in Revelations God is worshipped and the Lamb is worshipped separately as well but not the Holy Spirit. And while Jesus was on earth people praised him and bowed before him as well.


Saying that all three are the same person is what some teach as trinity, so to worship one is to worship the three.
OkCornel: "What the spirit is to man is same as what the Holy Spirit is to God.

Just as how man is a triune being (spirit, soul and flesh), so does the same apply to the God head. After all, we were created in HIS LIKENESS..."

Well what if I live after the flesh, shouldn't that also be the same as living after my soul and spirit since all three are the same?

The OP finally said something I want us to think about, "maybe because there are spirits that claim to be God, and desire worship" as to why we are to test all spirits because the spirit of God makes us testify that Jesus is Lord to the Glory of God. A point the last poster agrees with by saying, "The Holy Spirit doesn't have such role(head of the church) and is not worshipped separately infact the Holy Spirit glorifies and points to Christ as well as the Father.



Going through these threads I don't see why anyone would believe that the Holy Spirit is God nor continue to believe so. Do you?

Kobo said, because the helper is the spirit of truth he is God, but he is not God the Father though he calls trinity nonsense, well some said because the Holy Spirit speaks and judges, he is God.


Now here is what some have been taught, here is jantman's cosmology explanation of the trinity

The best picture of the Trinity is like the picture of the Sun. We have the Sun which can represent the Father God, the light which represents Jesus Christ and the heat (radiation) which represents the Holy Spirit. The Father God represents the Source of the Godhead, the Lord Jesus Christ represents the form and visibility of the Godhead and the Holy Spirit represents the energy emanations from the Godhead. Thus God is actually one God-person having three God-attributes: the Father as the source attribute of God outside of space, time and dimension, the Lord Jesus Christ as the “shape-form” attribute of God revealed to all creation, the Holy Spirit as the energy-emanation attribute of God throughout all creation. (Remembering that one God-person can be omnipresent simultaneously in various forms emanating through all space and time – which to humans look like multi-persons but is actually only one God-person). He who has seen Jesus Christ has seen the Father (John 14:8, 9). In Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily (Colossians 2:8-10).


The biological explanation

In an extremely very, very rough comparison (and potentially highly not very accurate comparison as it is extremely limiting to the Godhead), the one God-person of God is comparable to the spirit, soul and body of a human (made in the image of God): the Father God being the Spirit Being of God, the Holy Spirit being the Soul Being of God and the Lord Jesus Christ being the Body-form of God. All these are extremely rough and only 1% accurately in speaking of our great Almighty God but it helps get some measure of understanding across to the limited human mind.


Then the logical explanation mixed with mystical or dimensional explanation as well

Another way of understanding the one person of the Trinity is as follows (this description probably is more accurate up to 30%). Imagine that it was possible to invent a time machine and I use the time machine to bring the Peter of 1997 to the year 2007; and also bring the Peter of 2017 to the present. Suddenly standing before you are three Peters: one Peter 1997, another Peter 2007 and a third Peter 2017. At this point I ask you a question, “Are there three different separate persons or is there just the same one person Peter from three time dimensions: past, present and future?” The latter answer would be closer to the truth. Now imagine that there are three God-dimensions (for lack of a better word) but one God-person spread across these three dimensions in order to relate to us: God the Father dimension, God the Word dimension and God the Spirit dimension but all the same one God-person. Not one God in three persons but one God in three God-dimensions. It is important to understand that God is one God and one God-person.



I am sharing these views because we may have heard them already but my question is, where is the explanation from God's word?

Let's look at the other thread

This question doesn't seem like a popular one on nairaland as there are just two other threads and looking at similar topics shared on nairaland:

Posted in July 2021

ifiokjohn:
Happy Sunday Guys.
Please I will like some Bible scholars here to educate me on who is the Holy spirit?
Is the holy spirit God?...If Yes, can God be sent to someone?... Remember Jesus Promising to send the Holy spirit to his disciples. John 14:16.

I went through YouTube videos but I get confused on the person of the holy spirit.

The only thing I got is that the holy Spirit is the Power of God.

Where you read responses like

"Holy spirit is God active force, it is the force God uses to perform his miraculous actions, it is not the God."

And another response supported by few

xproducer:
YES, the Holy Spirit is GOD!

I "speak" very humbly and carefully - yet firmly - in making statements about The Holy, Infinitely Powerful GOD of all - Whose judgments are unsearchable and His ways past finding out (Job 9:10. Romans 11:33).

"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

"Teaching of the Triune God is unique to Christianity and affirms Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as one God in three Persons."

Note what GOD says in the beginning of the creation of this world... "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” - Genesis 1:26

Note that the Apostle Peter in a single context refers to the Holy Spirit as GOD:
"But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” - Acts 5:3–4

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There is one baptism in GOD Who is the only Savior! (Isaiah 43:11) -
"There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

"Note that The Holy Spirit is listed with Father and Son as “the name” believers are to be baptized into" -
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen." - Matthew 28:19–20

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However, note that GOD declares that He is One LORD - “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!" - Deuteronomy 6:4 (Also Zechariah 14:9, Mark 12:29)

"You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!" - James 2:19

Praise GOD for all that He mercifully reveals and gives to mankind, and much more.

Here is another response from same thread before kobo, max and sparrow took over, here we see an attempt to explain trinity and possibly the God the Holy Spirit

peggywebbs:
That's because you don't understand the concept of trinity. Most people don't understand the term trinity.


It's like saying a trio book...like the twilight movie. They are three different parts but one story.


Trinity represents three different entities that resonate as one. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy spirit. They are seperate beings but from one God. They reflect the Supreme nature of God, one cannot be without the other. Jesus Christ is the word of God, he speaks only what the Father says and does what his Father does.

The Holy Spirit, is given to us, as a guidance. He represents the spirit of God dwelling in us. Jesus was the Word made flesh. The Father, The Word and The Spirit.

I hope this explains it better. So don't confuse it as saying that Jesus Christ is God the Father and also the Holy Spirit, it represents completeness. They are seperate but work as one.

One more

jantman:
The Holy spirit is God Himself

God is one God in three dimension, just as you have spirit, soul and body

Check this link about the God head

https://www.nairaland.com/6366642/trinity-explanation-god-head

Jesus himself doesn't call him God
John.14.26 But the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf], He will teach you all things. And He will cause you to recall (will remind you of, bring to your remembrance) everything I have told you. (AMP)


Now the comforter, is another comforter sent as a teacher, our teacher not as our Lord or God. You know some even believe an error that Jesus returned in the spirit and dwells in us and that is the second coming.

John.14.16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby), that He may remain with you forever - (AMP)

So both Jesus and the Holy Spirit are comforters sent by God, one went back and the other was sent. The Holy Spirit speaks to God, intercedes, on our behalf, our teacher, our intercessor.

Rom.8.26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Rom.8.27 And the Father who knows all hearts knows what the Spirit is saying, for the Spirit pleads for us believers in harmony with God's own will.


There are other examples that show that the Holy Spirit is not God but speaks for us to God and tells us what God is saying, just as Jesus revealed to us God's will and commands, the Spirit of truth does same to us as well.

So why then do some worship the spirit or the Holy Spirit?

One more thing that would be noticed by those who study their Bibles is that the Spirit or the Holy Spirit is never worshipped, the Father is worshipped, the Son is worshipped but then what about the Holy Spirit??

I believe the error begins when we believe and equate the Father, the Son and the Spirit are equal beings or the same being because they are listed together, is the Father and the son equal because the son seats at his right hand, well is the spirit and the church the same?Okay maybe that's a bit much, let's read what the same author, John, wrote in 1John.5.7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. (NKJV)

So he calls them three witnesses, not three gods, let's read previous verses

1John.5.4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
1John.5.5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

John never tells us to believe that Jesus is God or that Jesus is God the Son but that we should believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

Now before the verse 7, 1John.5.6 This is the one who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness (who testifies), because the Spirit is the truth.


So Jesus was revealed by his baptism, by his death and by the Spirit who testifies, now some translations of verse 7 do not include, the Father, the word and the Holy Spirit but they do contain verse 8

1John.5.8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one. (NKJV)

Now because of the way KJV adds the term agree here but not in verse 7, it gives two different meaning, but in the Greek text it's simply three are one vs 7, three are in one vs 8. This goes to show that the three agree but then the spirit water blood are in one, as in it is in one accord or one person?

Reading further from verses 9, John writes that God testifies of the Son, something he reveals in his gospel that Jesus himself says, in John 8:18

Now let's remember that the question is, is the Holy Spirit God?
And consider this question...
What does Jesus call the Holy Spirit? or who did he reveal the Holy Spirit to be?

Now for some without a doubt the answer is YES. Why? Well because it is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit they have been taught as regards to trinity.
But to others who actually do read and study their Bibles, it's confusing where the terms God the Son and God the Holy Spirit come from, because they understand that the three mentioned are God himself, His word and His Spirit. While some try to make sense of it by saying that because God manifests in His word and through His Spirit, they are God as well.

And based on their understanding that the Holy Spirit is manifestation of God upon the earth, the conclusion is that he is God the Spirit and not just the spirit of God has written in the bible.

Now if you believe that Jesus is God, then you would also believe that the Holy Spirit is God, now my question to those of you who believe so is this, if the Spirit of God is God because He is the Spirit of God then what about the Seven Spirits of God?

Well since you refuse to accept that only God is God but that there are three Gods or three in one God, as some believe is God manifesting in three persons, do you believe that there are not just three but 10 Gods or 9 if the Holy Spirit is one of the seven spirits mentioned in Revelations 1:4, 4:5 & 5:6.

Before you say oh, it's the Holy Spirit that's on earth and not the seven spirits, read that Revelation 5:6... which are the seven spirits sent out into every part of the earth. If you say, well, the Holy Spirit is or are the seven spirits, so are there seven gods on earth?

Infact the author of revelations, John, didn't write Holy Spirit, he used spirit or the spirit. Even though amplified version adds [Holy] in bracket, like in Revelations 22:17 where the spirit and the bride, which is the Holy Spirit and the Church is mentioned.

Do we know and understand the role of the Holy Spirit to the church?
Is the Holy Spirit God to the church?
Is he to be worshipped?

Petalss:
Are you a Christian by the way?

I am a disciple of Lord Jesus Christ

Petalss:
Walking through the streets of Ibadan, I have never encountered a Christian outrightly proclaiming that Jesus is God. Even within my own family, when I asked my Christian relatives whether Jesus is God, they were visibly surprised by the question (how can Jesus be God). My younger cousins, too, were taken aback when they came across claims that Jesus is God, I was like— (dem no teach for unna church say Jesus is God). Interestingly, none of them attend any of the churches listed above.

This makes me wonder, when did the assertion that "Jesus is God" begin to gain prominence? Growing up, all I ever heard in Christian circles was the phrase "Jesus is the Son of God." The idea of Jesus being identified as God wasn’t something I had come across during my early years until recently flying all over the internet.

because there's a satanic agenda behind it, behind the sudden propagation that Jesus is God

Floky215:
If you pick up that book, you can read from from Genesis to Revelation thrice a year depending...peharps if you have done that you would see all the lies and contradictions there and also the few truth place there to hold the lies together to confused and deceive the people...!!

wow so you that has should find it easier to tell us, after all you are probably about to finish the bible again for the third time this year, seeing as you started Genesis in Sept you should remember all the lies and contradictions you saw at least some of them 🫡

Good morning

Good morning

Good morning have a lovely christmas week

Floky215:
That book is is filled with just some few truth and an upward of a thousand lies...!!

mention few of what you find true and some out of the thousand lies you have found in it, hopefully you will find the truth if you indeed seek it sincerely

Nnamdipapa:
I know right? You go to listen to a pastor preach from a book you are not allowed to question.

how about you ask and you let someone answer

Righteousness2:
Nlfpmod

John 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Why quote only this
John.8.25 "Tell us who you are," they demanded. Jesus replied, "I am the one I have always claimed to be.

Meaning Jesus nevee lied about his identity nor hide it or it is some mystery, they just faild to accept ot believe it, or kept accusing him of saying he is god..

John.8.26 - I have much to say about you and much to condemn, but I won't. For I say only what I have heard from the one who sent me, and he is true."
John.8.27 - But they still didn't understand that he was talking to them about his Father.
John.8.28 - So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man on the cross, then you will realize that I am he and that I do nothing on my own, but I speak what the Father taught me.

1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

In His Son, whose Son, God's son, who is God, He is the only true God. We are in the father and we are in the son, in God and in the son.

Jesus came to reveal to us the Father.

Righteousness2:
Nlfpmod

2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ

Instead of just assuming or believing that it refers to one person, why not read the next verse

2Pet.1.2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord,

Which is consistent and not some special mystery breeding confusion

Rev 1:8 i dont know why kjv left out that in the greek text what is written is kurios ho theos, the Lord God, who was speaking

Even your quotes deny what yoy say that Jesus the son of God is God

Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Besides Jehovah there is no God. Did he lie?

Righteousness2:
Nlfpmod

John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Who was the him, John was writing about
John.1.4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

It was the Him that carried life and that life He carried was the light of men

Of which John came to be a witness of John 1:9 the light and not the him, for the him is God our Father and the life is Jesus who was our light while in the world. For Jesus said I am the life
For indeed God made all things through the word and with the word, the light, Jesus Christ. And thats why he is the firstborn of all creation

Philippians 2:5-8
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.


Being in the form of God doesn't make one God.

Greek translation; who being in God's nature.. ,Theos morphe, behaved not with theft in considering himself equal to God.

Righteousness2:
Nlfpmod

"Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom" Quoted from pslam 45 referring to christ as God's king and this verse exalts God and calls christ the sceptre of righteousness the sceptre of God's kingdom, like Jacob prophesied in Gen 49

Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand of which Christ is the king.

Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Even if my name is He is God, it does mean I am God or is Elihu God?


John 10:30-33
I and my Father are one.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

And yet Jesus responded to them
John.10.36 why do you call it blasphemy when the Holy One who was sent into the world by the Father says, 'I am the Son of God'? (NLT)

Was he afraid of them that he lied and hide that he was God? or corrected their miss understanding?

Should we listen to men or to Jesus?

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

But we who know the truth, know that at no point did Jesus make himself equal to God
To say Jesus did, is to accuse him, because to them a son is equal to the father, what wrong reasoning
But Jesus said
John.5.19 Jesus replied, "I assure you, the Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing. Whatever the Father does, the Son also does.

You can accuse Jesus or listen to him and believe.

Righteousness2:
Keep Rantings your blablabla.
The wisest of men is not up to the Foolishness of GOD.

You better drop your sense Nd pick up God's sense to avoid stories that touch the Heart.

When you open your eyes in Hell! You'll understand how you destroyed yourself.

hopefully neither you, I nor anyone reading these will wake up in hell 😊

But why dont you show us where the wisdom of man is in what you called blablabla
Proverbs 23:9 spoke about people like you, but I do not speak just to reply you but for others, those who hear God to hear what I am saying

Righteousness2:
Nlfpmod

Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

You read that as one person because you believe that are both the same person.

glory of God and the one who saves us, Jesus Christ

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

In Christ is the fullness of God, what is fullness of God?

Now even Jesus said the Father is in me and I in him, but did he say he is God, does having God in him make him God? Does having Christ in me make me Christ?

Righteousness2:
Nlfpmod

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Yes he was, but being before someone or being the firstborn doesn't make one God.

John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Whether he exclaimed or called Jesus God is debatable but here is what the writer who wrote that verse concluded

John.20.31 But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing in him you will have life. (NLT)

Why didnt he write all this is so you believe that Jesus is God?

Righteousness2:
Nlfpmod

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

Saying this means Jesus is God, then

Rom.6.3 Or have you forgotten that when we became Christians and were baptized to become one with Christ Jesus, we died with him?

Am I also Christ? And if I am Christ Jesus then am I also God?

Then shouldn't it be quadrinity with me as a member of the Godhead?

Exceed15:
Phil 4: 6-7. Is a big encouragement in hard times when everything looks hopeless.

Phil.4.6 - Don't worry about anything; instead, pray about everything. Tell God what you need, and thank him for all he has done.
Phil.4.7 - If you do this, you will experience God's peace, which is far more wonderful than the human mind can understand. His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus.

Hussein27:
Can you differentiate lord and God

Because they all sound the same to me

but L sounds different from G, is it like your accent or something

Serious there are many lords and kings, who are rulers buy there is only one God, the creator

Righteousness2:
Nlfpmod

"John 1:1, 14
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

the word WAS God but you said the word is God. 😀

The origin of the word, it was the beginning which was with God and was of God. the word was with God and from God came the word. I know some say the word was divine as an interpretation of theos as different from theon.

Even John wrote we beheld the glory of the son of the Father, and not calling him the Father.

Righteousness2:
Nlfpmod

now do you show yourself as a man whom God has given understanding
When you say
JESUS Christ is GOD.
JESUS Christ is son of GOD.

Do you call God a liar or his prophet who wrote Deut.6.4 "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD alone?

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Before i begin, his name not names, meaning one name. Even in the hebrew text it is His name,

gibbor el translated as mighty God.

Now is elijah God, is joel God, is gabriel God.

For God said of himself Gen 35:11 I am el-shaddai God Almighty. In case you missed it.. GOD ALMIGHTY ALmighty

Now everlasting-Father, abiad, should i mention other hebrews with ab in their name as well, instead of father of many nations, he shall be father of eternity, the one through whom eternal life comes.

Even Jesus called God Almighy Father and said JHVH is our Father and we should take no one else has Father.

Righteousness2:
Nlfpmod

"No man can understand the things of GOD except GOD be with him. It is only through HIS Word ( The Holy Bible) that we can Have understanding of who HE is."

Is the word of God not the son of God, Jesus Christ? Has it become a book?

Righteousness2:
Nlfpmod

"The Person of JESUS Christ being GOD ALMIGHTY is a Mystery"

How can he who reveals the glory of God still be a mystery? Do you know what a mystery is?

Frigga13:
It takes the spirit to help in knowledge of spiritual wisdom and understanding.

To the blind … they will never see. For they have eyes .. but can’t see and ears .. but can’t hear

Jesus Christ is Lord !

Glory to him alone

to him alone? And his Father? or he doesnt have one?

Hussein27:
A couple of days ago, a certain individual stirred an unhealthy debate on X about a banner hung around Lekki Central Mosque in Lagos. The inscription on the banner reads: "Jesus Christ is not God. He is a Servant and Messenger of God." Like a wild fire, the controversy spread across all social media platforms, with commentators divided along religious lines.

As expected, most Christians found the inscription to be provocative, offensive, and inciting, citing the fact that it negates the principles of peaceful coexistence and tolerance in a multi religious country. Another point raised was the timing of hanging the banner, especially at a time when Christians are preparing to celebrate Christmas.

A number of Muslim commentators seem to agree with the above submissions. They faulted the Masjid authority for insensitivity to the feelings of the Christian community at a time when Christmas is just a couple of days away. They equally submitted that irrespective of the period, hanging such a banner violates the concept of peace which is a core and fundamental teaching of Islam.

Thus, the social media battle shifted from an inter to an intra religious one, with some ethnic colouration and dimensions poured into it. Some of the arguments were logical, while some were completely emotional. Worse still, some had hypocritical stripes drawn over it. To make matters worse, those who cannot handle intellectual engagements went on hurling insults and throwing jabs and invective, burning bridges and severing ties along the way.

Earlier today, I watched the Khutbah delivered yesterday by the Chief Imam of Lekki Central Mosque, and one cannot but appreciate his eloquence and calmness in the midst of the storm created by the issue. His short address of the issue provides the following insights:

1. The banner wasn't hung this month or even last month. It has been there for well over 2 months.

2. The text on the banner is a verse of the Noble Qur'ān (5:75) which says, مَا الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ إِلَّا رَسُولٌ "Jesus the son of Mar'yam is not but a Messenger of Allah." This verse is a continuation of verse 72 which says, لَقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ وَقَالَ الْمَسِيحُ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ اعْبُدُواْ اللّهَ رَبِّي وَرَبَّكُمْ

"And surely they disbelieved when they said: 'Christ, the son of Mary, is indeed God'; whereas Christ had said: 'Children of Israel! Serve Allah, Who is your Lord and my Lord."

3. In a country where freedom of religion is guaranteed, when does it become a crime to state exactly what your religion says, and which does NOT in any way insult others?

4. If Christians feel that "Jesus is not God" offends them, how should Muslims feel about the thousands of banners which says, "Jesus is Lord"? Your right to say Jesus is Lord which you claim is a biblical statement is the Muslim's right to say, "Jesus is not Lord" which is a Qur'ān verse. Why should the Muslim suppress his right for your right when both can actually coexist?

5. Jesus is not the Christian's property alone. He is a Prophet of God sent to the Children of Israel. Belief in him is a fundamental teaching in Islam. Muslims love and rever him and his mother. Not only were they mentioned in the Qur'ān, Mary'am, his mother actually has a whole chapter dedicated to her holiness. To think that only the Christians have the right to mention Jesus is wrong.

6. Some have argued that how will the Muslims feel if Christians decide to hang a banner that says "Muhammad is not a Prophet of God." Well, that would be a deliberate act of provocation because there's no single verse of the Bible that says so. In fact, the Bible rightly prophesied his coming as the COMFORTER.

Those who accuse Muslims of troublemaking are either ignorant and gullible, or deliberately mischievous. The real troublemakers are the individual who took that picture and his co-travellers who amplified and blowed it beyond reasonable proportions.

Unfortunately, they found a voice in some Muslims who either forgot Qur'ān 2:120, or simply want to be celebrated as the good guys at the expense of what is sound and logical. How can you say لا إله إلا الله "There's no god but Allāh" and still blame your fellow Muslims for saying "Jesus is not God" when you see nothing wrong with a non Muslim saying, "Jesus is Lord"?

Should Muslims apply the same logic, every banner that says "Jesus is Lord" must be removed immediately as it is offensive and provocative. Let's live and let others live.

Sanusi Lafiagi

Jesus is Lord, Jesus is not God.

There is only one God, JHVH, creator of the heavens and the earth and one Mediator and Lord, the Christ, son of God, Jesus.

Jokerman:
An Antichrist is a person who opposes the embodiment of Jesus Christ.

The Bible stated categorically in.....
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Many people today refuse to believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God. They are of the opinion that God cannot become Man and cannot be born by immaculate conception. They forget that even angels mated with human women and gave birth to nephilims, also called demigods e.g Allah,Zeus, Poseidon, Ra, Hercules etc... So of angels can do this, how much more The Father who so loved humanity?

We already know that a final Antichrist is coming. The one who would be like Christ, who's coming will be with the power of Satan to deceive humanity to destruction, and to persecute the believers of Jesus Christ. The occult world call this final Antichrist Meitreya, the Muslims call him Al-Dajjal....

Islàm is known for beheading, and this Antichrist will also behead a lot of people... If you look at the colours of the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse, their colours align perfectly with the colours of the islamic countries...

Let's be watchful and study.

so the Father mated with Mary to bear the demigod Jesus?

or the Father became a man?

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