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Kvarachi:keep telling yourself that, believe what you want okay. It is well |
Tetraozonaitera:Jesus is the only begotten the only Lamb And the Father is the only true God. Did your eyes not see it or did you not read it. At least tell yourself the truth |
Kvarachi:because you can survive and enjoy the earth without caring about the remaining millions suffering and dying that you can type with a phone that others are wicked but you who wants others to suffer or you who doesn't even care that at this moment people are going through horrible pains while you are enjoying your life. You probably ate a good meal, had a nice dream sleeping in a sweet bed. But why should you care for those who are suffering while you are enjoying. You think your children are happy to be brought into a wicked world but you want it to continue. If you ain't myopic and a bit sympathetic a bit of wisdom would be seen from what you wrote. |
Sand2022:you see the point but you don't understand it. It should be obvious I am not in support of that Sunday school lesson. Did you actually read what you quoted? Because your questions sound like someone who didn't bother reading before quoting and commenting. |
DZTech:we do at the gate of hope fellowship |
Happy Sunday |
Gabrielshow24:go ahead sir |
May we not be seduced by what we want to hear but pay attention to the truth spoken to us in love from the gospel that saves us. In Jesus name. Amen
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It is well, better to hear the gospel and spread the gospel then to speak seductive words. Better to speak the truth in love than to speak words that flatter in order to win others over. Some are even seduced to go to church with lies and false promises, flattering and insincerity. If you don't like to hear the truth, be ready to believe a lie, because you are willing to please by listening to what you like even when it may be a lie that will only hurt you and destroy your soul
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ikorodureporta:if it is the gospel being proclaimed and it is heard, yes but if not then no. You cannot also be speaking in a noisy place and expect to be heard. |
StillDtruth:Later you will now claim to be a child of God. 😂😂🤣 |
Emusan:Washed by the blood, cleansed by truth Halleluyah, if you have ears listen carefully Revelation 22 began with revealing the Lord God before we hear the voice of angel whom John wanted to worship but then shortly after God himself speaks, if you knew God you would recognise when he speaks Rev.22.12 - "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. Rev.22.13 - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last." But neither do you know Him not have understanding from Him. For John wrote Rev.20.11 - Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. Rev.20.12 - And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. Then you quoted Rev 1:8, come be taught wisdom and gain understanding if you humble yourself to learn Rev.1.5 - and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, Rev.1.6 - and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. God gave Jesus a revelation, Jesus gave it to his angel to give it to John. Rev.1.8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord God, He Who is and Who was and Who is to come, the Almighty (the Ruler of all). (AMP) |
Lucifyre:Are you trying to win an argument or understand the point of a conversation? |
Gabrielshow24:harsh? I didn't even call him a viper like John or say woe to him like Jesus would have. You said subject to understanding? Who's understanding? Your opinion is that Jesus is God, does the truth agree with your opinion, is your opinion the subject of your understanding? |
Gabrielshow24:the kingdom of GOD is forever |
Unlike the topic which suggests the divinity of Christ Jesus, the content spells it out that Jesus is God not that Jesus is divine. INTRODUCTION: While it may be difficult for some people to believe or accept the fact that Jesus is God, the evidence cannot be denied. Being in the form of God and equal with God (Philippians 2:6), He performed diverse miracles and demonstrated that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. We see a clear focus on equating Jesus to God the Father, memory verse of the Sunday school: “But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.” – John 10:38 (KJV) The question now is does the Father being in Jesus and Jesus being in the Father make Jesus God? Is there really an understanding of what it means for two to abide in each other? Another question, does abiding in Jesus Christ and Christ abiding in me, make me Jesus Christ? Does it make you equal to Jesus Christ? Even in John 15:4 where Jesus says we should abide in him and He in us, he doesn't equate the branch to the vine nor the vine to the vinedresser. Is this a mistake by RCCG or a belief system that is the root of the church. Isn't the foundation of the church the revelation that Jesus is Christ, the son of the living God? Now does the bible text show or agree in anyway the suggestion that Jesus is God BIBLE PASSAGE: John 14:6-11 (KJV) (RCCG Sunday School Student Manual 15 September 2024) 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. Jesus doesn't call himself God neither does he call himself the Father. Jesus calls himself the way to God and not God When you read the verses up to verse 10, Jesus should then have said, "believeth thou not that I am the Father?" No, but what John recorded that Jesus said was "believeth thou not that I am IN the Father, and the Father IN me... Father dwells in me and does the works." As believers, born again, baptized in the Holy Spirit we reveal Christ who is in us by thr works that we do for it is Christ who lives through us and does the works. Even if you say o, it's the Holy Spirit who dwells in you, doing the works. The main question is, are you Christ, are you the Holy Spirit? No The Holy Spirit, Christ, who dwells in you, does it not dwell in others as well? Yes Does the fact that Christ is in someone mean that Jesus Christ isn't at the right hand of the Father? No Do we realise that Jesus being in God and God being in Jesus does mean Jesus is God, it means Jesus is divine but not the God, creator of heavens and earth. Philip asked, show us the Father. Has anyone gone for evangelism and was asked, you say Jesus is alive okay show him to me. The proof that Jesus lives is that the works that occured thousands of years ago recorded in the gospels is occuring even in the present day. People get healed, miracles occur, demons get cast out, deliverance occur, the blind see, the lame work, the mad receive sanity, the dead are raised back to life. But does that make the vessel the content? No, it doesn't. Does Jesus not being God and being the son of God undermine him? No it doesn't. When we realize who Jesus is, we see who we are co-heirs with and then we properly understand our inheritance from the Father. RCCG Sunday school: Many miracles were performed by Jesus as proof that He is God. Does miracles that occur through men of God proof that they are Christ or that they are God? RCCG Sunday school: No other religion can claim the resurrection of their founders. Meaning the gospel is our way of life, it is the truth and not just a religion. What does that statement "no other religion" is RCCG a religion that believes Jesus is God? A religion with laws that must be practiced to make heaven for one's self. Is it still a wonder that according to them, those who don't pay tithe will go to hell. Is that what Jesus taught? What about the finished work of Christ? Did Christ even humble himself to the Father? Phil.2.6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, (NIV) Phil.2.6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained, (AMP) Is rccg strictly KJV? In greek it is "en morphe theou" meaning in the form of God and "ouch harpagmon hegesato to einai isa Theo" meaning "Not something to consider equal with the God." Have something is translated and understood can affect your view and understanding of God. Even a small error as such can bring about such conclusion as this CONCLUSION: There is no controversy, Jesus Christ is God. Anyone who disagrees does it at his/her peril. |
Emusan:you showed who? Okay tell us where did Jesus say so? You are the truthful one abi. By the way it is John who wrote Revelation and I did not say what you misquoted 😁. Don't be a liar and a false accuser. Where did Jesus say he is the beginning and the end, and call himself the Almighty God. |
Lucifyre:because your life is not in saliva, sweat nor urine. If you are asking about the flood, the question is did that look to you in anyway as a plan to save man? It was clearly God's display of anger. God wasn't starting afresh, Noah found favor and was spared. How is that starting afresh. Starting afresh by telling them they could now eat meat? Are you being serious?! Are you not being pathetic by referring to it as impatient of a little child? How old are you? How you ever been patient with someone who annoyed you more than a year, wait scratch that, a month without reacting? Sorry not a month, just this post, can you be patient enough before getting impatient and anger. Before you judge something try to check if you actually better. By the way patiently tells us some of the "several examples" of God's word being nullified. |
Emusan:1Tim.1.6 But some teachers have missed this whole point. They have turned away from these things and spend their time arguing and talking foolishness. Col.2.2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; (Col.2.3) In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. ...the mystery of God, BOTH of the Father and of Christ... [Col.2.4 I say this in order that no one may mislead and delude you by plausible and persuasive and attractive arguments and beguiling speech. |
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When I say Jesus is not God, I am not speaking about divinity but his identity. Jesus is divine being the son of the Most High God, but for his identity he is not the Most High God. Gabriel did not say, and the Most High God shall become flesh in you, infact it was the Power of the Most High and not even the Most High himself Luke.1.32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, Luke.1.35 The angel replied, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby born to you will be holy, and he will be called the Son of God. Why is it so important to believe that Jesus is the son of God and not God. Well so that what is written in the new testament makes more sense to you, how he humbled himself and expects us to humble ourselves as well, how he obeyed God and expects us to obey God as well. John was the one who wrote the Father, the Son and he Holy Spirit but did he call them three Gods? Where is it written and who said that these three are Gods? Why would God the Father reveal He is God alone and then change to become three Gods? Who is lying? God does not lie but we humans do Maybe due to our improper understanding... Let us look at Revelations where Jesus and the Father God is revealed (do you know some would read this statement as one person being spoken about 😩) The Father God speaking Rev.1.8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Rev.21.6 - And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. Rev.21.7 - He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But this is what Jesus says of himself Rev.22.16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star." But this what the Father says of himself Rev.22.12 - "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. Rev.22.13 - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last." But this is Jesus the Son Rev.2.1 "To the angel of the church of Ephesus write, "These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands: Rev.2.8 "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, "These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: (Before you jump at First and the Last; Matt.20.16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen." Jesus the first and last begotten son who came to die for us, when we say first and last it means only one, he alone is Christ anointed by God alone) Rev.2.12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, "These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: Rev.2.18 "And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, "These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: Rev.3.1 "And to the angel of the church in Sardis write, "These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: "I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. Rev.3.7 "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write, "These things says He who is holy, He who is true, "He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens": Rev.3.14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, "These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: Wait Jesus calls himself the beginning of God's creation oh oh Ladies and gentlemen, brethren God is NOT an author of confusion There is no mystery and deception that God came down and no one knew, there is no new revelation except from the pit of hell, for any spirit to doesn't testify that Jesus the son of God came in the flesh is a lying and false spirit. |
Emusan:which Jesus, is he the son of God who came in flesh, humbled Himself to the father and died and rose again and is seated at the right hand of the Father or is it your imaginary Jesus who you claim is God of heaven? |
Emusan:sorry I shouldn't have written he but HE, as in the Father. Because it is only the Father God who said of Himself I am the beginning and the end, God Almighty Rev.1.8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Rev.21.6 - And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. Rev.21.7 - He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But this is what Jesus says of himself Rev.22.16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star." But this what the Father says of himself Rev.22.12 - "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. Rev.22.13 - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last." But this is Jesus the Son Rev.2.1 "To the angel of the church of Ephesus write, "These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands: Rev.2.8 "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, "These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: (Before you jump at First and the Last; Matt.20.16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen." ![]() Rev.2.12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, "These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: Rev.2.18 "And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, "These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: Rev.3.1 "And to the angel of the church in Sardis write, "These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: "I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. Rev.3.7 "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write, "These things says He who is holy, He who is true, "He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens": Rev.3.14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, "These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: Wait Jesus calls himself the beginning of God's creation oh oh Very clear he didn't understand till now.are you not jusy proud in your own eyes?! Jesus is the VERY ETERNAL LIFE, which means wasn't created nor having ending.so we who have received eternal life who have eternal life have now become God Almighty, we have no beginning and no ending right? |
Emusan:you are truly unrepentant ah well what was i expecting from you anyway 😩😩 Continue in your way |
Emusan:lol I don't care who are telling that the truth is a lie, no child of God would listen to you because they know that the Son of God is the word of God. |
Emusan:and yet he is the beginning and the ending? You who has understanding why don't you answer, let me ask you more questions you will also have no answers for Does having eternal life make one God Almighty? So, Jesus being Son of God isn't an issue but you failed to understand what does it mean to be ETERNAL.why don't you tell us, what does it mean to have eternal life, what does it mean to be eternal? Why don't you tell us, instead of trying to confuse us, tell us what it means. |
Lucifyre:The blood was required to redeem souls, for the redemption of lost souls. Forgiveness of sins is one thing Punishment for sins is another, God is just as He is merciful and His word cannot be nullified, the soul that sins shall die, so death must be paid for the sins of a soul. And when a person truly forgive you they clear your debts for you. If I forgave you a debt and still asked you to pay, have I forgiven your debt? Jesus forgave and paid the price |
Kingsempires:who are the "people who gathered" the bible that believe Jesus is God? |
OkCornel:God is a title given to who? By whom? And for what purpose? |
Kingsempires:if that's the only point you got from that, please do read it again, study if you may |
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