₦airaland Forum

bjdon:
Iam 100% with you. There is no way she should have been killed as that is total lawlessness, but what she said was quite wrong and would have offended a lot of Muslims. We all need to show respect and sensitivity to other peoples religion and customs. Even in the developed world, for example UK, if you wore a shirt with the inscription ' Bleep the queen' and walked around Central London, it won't be long before you get a punch in the face!

You are a liar, no one will get arrested or even punched for abusing any queen, the world has left Nigeria behind in all those nonsense. Even the guy who slapped the french president was not touched at all. You guys should be ashamed in this century talking this nonsense. There are movements and associations calling for the abolishment of the British monarchy and they are still enjoying their lives

You guys are backwards. Period

LegendHero:
This thread is opened by a chronic Islamic fanatics and a potential terrorist.

So because she abused the prophet, we can then justify her murder by senseless people? Haba nao.

If the Ifa worshippers too now start killing people for blasphemy, do you know how many of people like you will die because every day we blaspheme against their gods too.

The Muslim fanatics put their religion above anything else. They are the ones pulling the nation backwards. I still remember the cleric who was abusing dangote for not building mosques in the north and building factories instead. We get problem no be small living with such humans

Stormtrooper11:
If we break up, it will result to instability in the African continent. I believe the country has to tame the North. I don't understand why the Southerners are scared of the North and always trying to please the North.

The south is actually stronger than the North but they don't know. They don't know how powerful they're. The North actually can be tamed and their power checked.

The Uk system of four countries operating as one country is the way to go. If one part want to practice Sharia let them be and let those who don't want to be under Sharia leave to another place with no Sharia.

I always pity those living in the north who are non Muslims, Dem they try o.

NNTR:

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Who your lots of cloud certifications epp?
I have no desire to know you.
I dont want to know a cup half empty somebody


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All through the banter I never threw any insult. Let's learn to choose words carefully when people don't agree with us. Those words of truculent or whatever and half empty were not necessary

NNTR:
Argument is about trading of ignorances, I dont do arguments, as I have no ignorance to exchange for other people's ignorances traded here.

It is a fact that people do get jobs with certification, as opposed to saying, flat out that certifications won't get anyone jobs. That is not just only an irresponsible remark to make but it's also not correct

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Our problem as Nigerians is that we want short cuts and we don't tell people the entire truth. Lots of people have spent thousands of pounds on certifications and got no where. That it happened to some few does validate that truth. Time had proven again and again especially it the IT sector that project experience and working with people over time to negotiate conflicts and requirements is a winner in the job market any day any time. There is a reason why its github profile that gets software developers jobs and not paper work. I only wanted people out there not to be carried away with all these successful stories of not getting experience and getting jobs. And most times there were other factors that some of these successful people don't say. There are also some transfered skills from one sector to another which can also be a factor. It's left for anyone to belive whatever they want but think of the resources people spent to come to the uk and still be struggling for years just because of one data proven factor that they ignore. Am done

NNTR:
Look at the above in yellow highlight, to see why I pointed to your truculent attitude

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You can't pitch what you don't have. You gerrit? except you want to tell lies which is what many folks do

NNTR:
An example of green-eyed of a person who is jealous of the success others have enjoyed and/or are enjoying

Yeah know the truth that having certifications gives you half a chance of opening doors for interview selection
Didnt the so call folks get their way in easily without necessarily having field experience. Hmm?

You dont act nor come across as be from the tech community though
From whom did you read, say that just getting the certificate is enough? Hmm?

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I don't owe you explanations of my credentials but have got lots of cloud certifications. You don't know me neither do I

NNTR:
An example of green-eyed of a person who is jealous of the success others have enjoyed and/or are enjoying

Yeah know the truth that having certifications gives you half a chance of opening doors for interview selection
Didnt the so call folks get their way in easily without necessarily having field experience. Hmm?

You dont act nor come across as be from the tech community though
From whom did you read, say that just getting the certificate is enough? Hmm?

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So you are now down to half chance for interview selection lol. You Don dey talk true small small

hustla:
My house mate, with 0 experience in anything IT or DevOps got job in AWS DevOps on the back of an AWS SAA Cert he was advised to write and trainings he took on ACloud Guru and Udemy
Certs you a foot in the door, and you can then explain yourself and prove you have what it takes

His MSc was in Mechatronics so what will you say about this?

There's this babe on US Twitter who went from being a paralegal to obtaining an AWS SA Cert, ITIL and ServiceNow, she now earns north of $100K.

I will look for a link to her page and share it

EDITED

Her website
https://www.intechshetrust.com/about-me

Her twitter
https://twitter.com/princessxap

Many people joined her evangelism, got certs, got foots in the door and are earning large

Congratulations to them, na this kind advert dey deceive people and they are still where they are. Even you yourself know the truth. Like I said before folks can believe whatever they want. Cloud technology some years back was still relatively new and folks could get their way in easily but nowadays with everyone brandishing certificates everywhere how many are truly getting their way in now. Am also in a tech community of cloud folks and suddenly folks started advising themselves to stop using past questions to prepare for cert exam but rather get hands on to even sit for exams. Folks are beginning to know that just getting the certificate is not enough. You guys can keep advertising and let people decide whatever way they want. The results will always there as a justification later. Let's look at the data and prove so if many folks are really getting jobs just with certs

NNTR:
Thanks for the humble and honest admittance that certificates opens the door.

Experiences comes in varied shades and forms, which you might articulate you obtained from going on a training course, hands-on knowledge, volunteering with steering committee project(s) at church et cetera

You must sell this training course sha by force by fire

hustla:
What the people arguing above don't realize is that they're all right and the argument in itself is a pointless one

The guy is not right. Certificates don't get jobs

Viruses:
Bros calm down.
The argument is that you won't get automatic employment by presenting your certificate. The certificate can put you at an advantaged position but you will still need to pass interview to get the job.

If you have certificate and someone without certificate performs better than you at interview, they will take the person and leave you with your certificate true or false?

The guy knows what he's doing. They are the ones confusing people so folks can patronise them for training. Na business things, na the people wey go fall for their scheme I just pity. I was almost a victim until a friend opened my eyes

NNTR:
You're so far wrapped up, you dont realise the goof you made, which is, you saying, certifications dont get anyone jobs, its only experience that does. Smh

Professional certification(s) are often stated as prerequisite

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Get that straight, certifications can't get people jobs, they will have to lie in interviews to claim they have experience when they don't. And God help them if its a contract role, they can't last more than a month or 2 because they will be found out and booted out of the Job. Don't deceive people here. Naija has done so much damage to us thinking its about reading to pass, reason folks struggle in the uk. I pity those following your advice

NNTR:
Listen, quite a lot of the Naiyja community do the fast track course with Dr at his training centre at Holborn, and get jobs pretty much soon after. I wear many hats. Have certifications in varied fields, so I am not sharing what I know, coming only from an IT perspective

I dont suffer gladly posters that dont like to own up in goofing. Certification will get you work, if you know what to do, how to do things. Period.

PRINCE2, ITIL, ISEB, BCS et cetera enhances your chance of getting picked for interview selection

You got your position either through in house promotion or vacancy created by exit of ex employee(s)

Having being certified by a professional body, is evidence of you being able to do the job, its then up to you to articulate all you know all you've learned to the interviewing panel

Even going through an Agile scrum training, is enough grounds to use when going about explaining what hands on training you have

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You are very wrong. Certification is no proof you can do any job. Stop misleading people here. I know your type, you are the kind of people misleading people by selling all sorts of fast track courses and lying to them that they will get job in weeks after getting certified or doing a course. All na wash jare. Interviewers and recruiters in the uk are now aware of such gimmick.

Anybody following your advice will have himself to blame. Shior.

Aphrodite007:
This is even what I wanted to say to him. He can say whatever he wants to say, but not mention me. If people want to fall for it, experience is the best teacher.

So occupations like agile coach, delivery manager and product manager that don’t have industry accepted certification bodies, they should now jump inside lagoon?

I have countless mentees that have certs but no experience, I would share my experience with them so they can make it theirs for interviews- if certs are enough, why didn’t they get jobs before I mentored them? Even myself, I am currently in a role that I don’t have a cert for, so it’s funny to hear that from someone not even close to the delivery field.

I currently work with one of the big four as an experienced BA after previous roles as scrum master and agile coach. If its by certification, will I stand a chance? A mentor once told me years ago that when I go for experience and get the job, companies are the ones who will pay for your certification

Aphrodite007:
Mate,
I don’t have the time to argue with you. I shared my experience from recruiting agile coaches, scrum masters, product owners, managers, all levels of BAs and project support in the UK, where most companies rely on recruiters rather than an ATS.

If you have yours, share. You don’t have to say I’m wrong, there mustn’t be a right or a wrong, two rights can exist. Having the certificate without the experience is pointless in these occupations in this county. How do you explain a time that you effectively managed a scope creep if you haven’t even experienced it to win the interviewer’s confidence.

Alaye be talking about networking and still mentioned they had EXPERIENCE in installations and etc, which helped them break into the industry.

don’t annoy me abeg!

The main problem is he will mislead so many here who won't know he's more of an engineer and not a product management person. He's also not patient enough to understand your perspective

NNTR:
I know and have lost count of folks with IT certifications who got offered positions

You kept on this conversation because you're truculent

In IT, whether in the States or GB here, your hands on experience, whichever way you obtained it (e.g. installing, configuring, administering, managing network set up on VMWare virtual machines et cetera) is content solid enough for you to use in articulating in interviews, what your skills, exposure, know how, practical knowledge et cetera are

I am sure you have no evidence of me saying anything about relying on certifications alone. I typed that, its a game changer, will open doors for you to slip a foot, as opposed not having certification.

I reiterate the ATS bot is on the look out for certifications as prerequisite, and it would overlook CVs devoid of certification

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Product manager, owner and scrum master certifications are not IT certifications, yes scrum is widely used in IT but they have to do more with delivery and team management which will require proper hands on as the certification courses are mainly theoretical. I speak as a practioner in this field. From the way you speak you are more of an IT engineer.People can decide whatever they want to believe though.

NNTR:

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Smh, getting positions like product owner, product manager and scrum master or junior entry level, being certified by the relevant professional body(ies) is a game changer, meaning it opens doors, gives you a chance to slide your foot in, to then pitch and sell yourself

You and your friend are blindsided to the fact that, certifications is one of the things the applicant tracking systems (ATS) bot will be looking out for, and if found absent on CVs, it means, the CV goes straight into the dustbin, and the effect of that, is the CV will have no prospect of get selected for an interview appointment, leaving the CV owner, drop off even before getting to jump over the first hurdle.

No one falsifies CVs, you list your experience and then give an articulate account of however way you obtained the experience.

I remember back in the day, when I got certified as a MSCE, before I broke into the industry, the only experience aside passing 8 - 9 certifications, was my private LAN, that I used to practice installation, administration, configuration et cetera for network resources like network servers, printers, even mail servers too. It's that experience I used in getting my first break.

Now, re-read and note lightnlife OP's remark 'Please share more insights on making entry to the world of scrum'

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I know folks with these certifications but still are not getting jobs. Of what use is getting to the interview stage with nothing to say about experience. Experience gives you solid content for interviews. I kept on this conversation for people here not to be misled. Especially for our folks still new in the uk. Even the kind of experience still matter, if it doesn't have an global perspective, its still difficult. We may have different views but with what I have see from frustrated folks here, it's easy to spot the gaps which is what am expressing here. Relying on certifications alone may not help much in breaking into the market talk less of going far

NNTR:
The guy I quoted made a flippant remark in saying '... certificates don’t get you a job, experience does'

UK professional market is certification cum experience driven. Certifications are hardly passed with lack of experience

I can have professional body certification(s) with loadsa experience in it, obtained from other sources, aside gainful employment.

Entry level positions doesnt necessarily require having gainful employment experience, as there's what's called learn on the job

OP was wrong in saying 'certificates don’t get you a job, experience does', when its common knowledge that entry level positions, doesnt necessarily require having upfront gainful employment experience, as there's what's called 'learn on the job' with aim to equip with the range of skills and the experience to foster a successful career.

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Now you are shifting the post by saying that certifications can get entry level positions. If you said that earlier, it would have been better. Of course one don't expect experience to be needed for most entry positions. But the positions the op was talking about which you are contesting are positions like product owner, product manager and scrum master are not entry level positions but roles that require some level of experience. Having certifications alone are not enough for such roles especially in the UK. What folks are doing is to falsify their cv claiming experience but then if background checks before resumption claim otherwise then it will be embarrassing.

Folks should be realistic with their expectations and get experience through volunteering or internships to get experience

liasmiram2567:
He is right.The Executive President has the power to appoint and dismiss his Ministers.
I don't know what people want again. If he retains them in contradiction to the electoral law you people will cry , he gave them order to resign you are still crying.What do you want?

Is the President sincere? Why is he giving an order when he can easily dismiss them especially when the law has been contravened, one would expect the President to have dismissed the ministers long ago.

I think the President is only talking to be seen as someone trying to uphold the law when he hasn't or not making any effort to do so

This is how Nigerians are easily misled. is the VP appointed or elected? Na wa o

NNTR:
With all due respect, the emboldened is completely and utterly wrong, certificates will open doors, then its left to you to pitch and convince you're capable of doing the job applied for.

Not true, this is why many folks will get caught lacking enough experience for the job they got after blabbing their way through the interview. Except the interviewer is not intelligent or knowledgable, it's easy to spot someone without experience during an interview. The guy you quoted is every right. The Uk job market is experienced-based and not certificate-based. You can have a certification but a lack of experience will expose you very quickly

1. Appropriate and suitably drafted CV (i.e. curriculum vitae) or Resume e.g. make sure its applicant tracking systems (ATS) friendly
2. Recruitment Agencies, allows you to get a foot in the door, also serve as opportunities to get interviews, from which you can learn from
3. Certification(s) even foundational entry certification(s) are game changers
4. Networking, meaning, mingle and interact with others with similar professional interest, to exchange information and for developing your professional or social contacts

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olancho:
Mancity messed up in the first leg for conceiving 3goals at home. That’s what finished them.

And they conceded 3 here now. Don't deserve to be in final

quivah:
Living in Wales has been different than what I thought. Reading reviews on Google isn't the best.

So far, it's been very good here, rains everytime and the people are polite and always smile and say hello when you pass them by.
Rent is cheap or can be high too depending, as low as £480 for two bed apartment.

When I first came, k was trying basically all the nice food I can find in the store but 96% of them I had to dispose...so right now, my daily food is toast and burger, chips and chicken, rice and my little swallow remaining . My hubby and child have adapted to their food but it's hard for me..esp the baked beans gosh!! I wish I can adapt to their meal oo, I don lean lol.

Wales is an hidden treasure. It's amazing folks aren't exploring it enough. Na London people dey die put

mex551:
i applied for a role that required Security clearance, and was shortlisted for the interview. Had the interview last week for one hour 30mins. Longest interview I ever had. Was thinking they will raise the issue of security clearance but they didn't. All fingers crossed. I came to UK in Nov

All the best, looking forward to hearing your success story soon

mex551:
thanks for coming through once again
I am having some issues with Regards to Project Management jobs. Most of the project coordinator/support jobs i have been applying keep rejecting my application. I am beginning to think maybe I am overqualified. Most are usually silent on first degree, some will even state GCSE. Meanwhile I display my Masters degree and Prince 2 Practitioner which I got few years ago in Naija.

Do you think that I should remove all of these higher qualifications from my project management job search when it was stated in the job advert?

What happened when I hid those qualifications and they HR does a Google profile on me and behold my LinkedIn profile props up with my full qualifications and years of experience? Na that one dey fear me pass? Won't it amount to dishonesty in the job?

Abeg make una help me look into this ....

Cc: TheGuyFromHR

Project management roles except it's for very small companies are a big deal in the UK. If you don't have enough UK experience they might not consider, try applying for junior roles to get into the system. If you are still new in the country it might be more difficult as the security checks companies may require to do before onboarding requires in some cases to have been in the country for at least six months.

Also look at the job description very well, do they require things like SC clearance? That's a no go area if you are not up to 5 years in the UK.

My final advice for newbies in the UK is to be very realistic. A lot of mid level to senior roles require some strong UK experience unless if you have worked for very big global brands before coming to the UK. Try and get some UK experience with some lesser paying jobs or junior roles first to bridge the UK experience ish.

Amarathripple0:
Petition: Make Graduate visa extendable and count towards permanent residency
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/614931

Yes. post graduate visa should be seen as a temporary work visa that can be continuously renewed based on some conditions till one get to 10 years and apply for ilr. Visa Sponsorship ain't making too much sense now

Jasmine80:
You’re forking mad. If he did it once and fail, it’s understandable but to do it 3 times in the same game and fail at all 3 attempts and we didn’t qualify, ikpeba was even kind at his criticism because if I was a pundit, osimehn for here am. These new young players are soft and being pampered because they cannot try such rubbish at their club side. Ikpeba was even kind at his criticism because osimehn has a long way to become world class. Football isn’t just about running running like a cheater you have to refine your game and improve on other qualities like positional awareness, converting chances and shooting techniques

when we say we no get players, shebi people dey laugh us. Until we face reality we are not going anywhere. The present generation of SE players is crap and so immature. Ikpeba knows what he's saying.

this is not a recent message at all cos this is the old auditorium.

Nyanmiridunce:
Despite OP not mentioning any name ipob terrorists are feeling threatened already.

me sef just dey laugh, some people go lay low now, we no go hear their voice again

Conner44:
Your grandfathers once took over igbo peoples houses and lands over 60 years ago and look what’s happening today . . . Now those same igbo descendants have bought off your lands and overtaken your people in economic worth.

Do you plan a repeat of it all again?

Where are the statistics to back this?. Till now the largest enterprises and industries in Lagos are not owned by Igbos. Na wa for una.

Racoon:
I am sorry, no Igbo man, no matter how great or brilliant can salvage this false and failed contraption of a country giving the bastardized state the Buhari govt have plunged it into today.

What Nigeria direly needs today is referendum for all the regions to go exist as independent states and develop @ their own pace. The problems of Nigeria are multi-factorial that any region having the presidency does not means automatic development or Eldorado.

Agreed, the UK system of 4 countries operating as 1 is a solution. Regions should be self governing