₦airaland Forum

Na Painment go kill gread, opportunists, loafers and political jobbers that claims two or more states looking for freebies.

quickberry:
amunkunmeko
omo ale jatijati
eranko
oloriburuku

ti e ma baje ni

Ewo ni ti epe?

Jeun ko ku - Fela

Who will drive this away?

Obviously you are one of the free loaders and suckers that came to Lagos to humiliate the natives.

Odeson!

quickberry:
Balderdash

Why Serial Rapists Except Blacks Get Away With Sexual Abuse

Reporting sexual assault remains risky and cumbersome. A bold faced privileged liar could go on the offensive in front of those willing to believe him, against a truthful lady. Sexual exploitation has gone beyond anything most decent people could imagine. We are not talking about exploitation of ladies alone, the impunity extends to underage boys and girls by the most respected people in the communities is astounding: especially religious men.

Sexual abuse in Africa, even when not criminal but amoral, is punished at least, by public humiliation. Nevertheless, Africans have been abused for ages by many including so called men of God without any consequence. Abusers were above par, sent to “civilize” Africans and lead them into righteous path in the eyes of their Lord. Despite the fact that there are outrageous cries outside Africa and even with Pope’s apology, Africans remain in denial because of the stigma attached to sexual abuse

https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/news/271092/why-serial-rapists-except-blacks-get-away-with-sexual-abuse.html#

However, outside Africa, black perpetrators of sex crimes especially outside their own community are not so privileged. While whites would even gain most conservative and religious votes despites sexual abuse, blacks might as well write their obituary or if lucky, spend good time in jail; no matter how weak the case against them. Vestiges of violent history of lynching black men based on just claims of looking at white women still remains. After all, sexual crimes have little sympathy within any African community.

This is why we know Bill Cosby would eventually be sent to jail, no matter what, as sacrifice to clean up the vices in the community. He strayed too far from his root and displayed hypocrisy against his people. Notably, they use his castigation against young blacks as reason to expose a previous case deposition to criminal liabilities. There are different standards for punishing blacks and privileged whites for the same crimes. Easier to make blacks scapegoats and a sacrifice for crimes everyone finds deplorable.

The pioneer of Playboy magazine died a natural death as a millionaire. By overbearing impunity these men, powerful or not, got away abusing subordinates under their trust. Their victims never attracted, wanted or encouraged their despicable acts. It soils most innocent men and put others squarely in the sphere of opportunists. Since the number of the opportunistic ladies that target innocent men are very small in proportion to the enormous abuse suffered by most ladies, it may not deserve critical investigation.

The worst sexual deviants are those within families. When a father felt entitled to sexually violate his own daughter. The fear of losing support, dislocating the family and disaffection may have given some of these men the impunity to try what they would kill outsiders for. It is difficult to understand how anyone can be sexually attracted to children you train and correct their behavior almost daily or weekly.

Sexual exploitation are generally between the powerful and his subordinates. We are now witnessing other abuses hardly contemplated. The drive to get sex by any means and perpetrate their criminal behavior on a class beyond their reach, influence or fancy but still convinced of their invincibility as privileged class; to satisfy their deviant sexual fantasy on those they can never be associated with.

Though sexual deviants are known to exert power over their victims, they know they have little power over others beyond reach but would use any means they could to get their way. A lady can seduce any man that falls for it but a man can also use chicanery or brute force into a woman by rape, a criminal behavior. There is a difference, defined by the criminal act of a little man on a powerful respectable lady.

However, there is also some compulsion to humiliate, ridicule or demean those they can never attract. As some men can have criminal intent to violently violate some superiors, some ladies without brow can also humiliate, demean and violate male counterparts. It may be harder to tell or complain that you have been violated by a weaker sex. The evidence needed may be more preponderance than that of a female victim.

Some Catholic priests are now coming out about abuse they endured during their training. They indicate that non-Catholics or Muslims are worse by statistics. Their lack of resistance then and resignation to keep quiet up to the present in order not to break the trust of the congregation speaks to what would otherwise be known as conspiracy. There was certain level of loyalty, not to bring any church into disrepute. Some of them might have also abuse altar boys or other priests in a conspiracy of vicious circle!

Until we realize that sexual deviants do not depend on advantageous relationship or power alone, it might be difficult to understand that perpetrators are not just criminals alone, many of them in the religious order or college fraternities use sex as a form of initiation. There lies the difficulty of exposing behaviors that turnout to be criminal later.

As more ladies enter the workforce, climb up the ladder , not only would we have more female bosses acting like men, we would have women by their share number intimidating men that are more powerful than them. Apart from competition for higher positions from equally lower positions between men and women, men can be displaced for favoring or being friendlier to other women. If he supports a lady other ladies disfavor, he may be gone when accused, even before completing an investigation.

What we have here are ladies less powerful than the men but can displace their own superior by bringing up charges of sexual harassment. Bear in mind that accusation is enough to soil the reputation of an innocent man. It has happened that even if he is exonerated of all charges, his chances of recovery on the job becomes dim. The employer would not risk another accusation, true or falls before letting him go.

It gets worse. There are cases where ladies are competing against one another for the same man, not only in the workplace but also inside a man’s home! A wife invited a longtime family friend (homewrecker) that always flirt with her husband to a party in their house. All the husband did at the party was flirt back. Their guest called the police that he grabbed her backside. He was escorted by police out of his own house in front of his family.

Man, be careful who you exchange that flirt with, you may end up in jail! The fact that this man was known as a respected fellow did not matter, they say all men do it until one is caught. Men also must be careful with those that would lure you into a trap to destroy you out of spite, jealousy and ridicule. It could be where that saying that hell has no fury like a woman scorned.

Anyone that thinks that every case would be like that in Rolling Stone in one of the United States universities where the accuser or accusers were later discovered to be false, should realize that is an exception. But then, we cannot blame any employer that wants to cover itself from liabilities in view of demonstrated abuse by many men, especially in the position of power or trust.
Source: Farouk Martins Aresa
Published: Friday, September 28, 2018

Why Serial Rapists Except Blacks Get Away With Sexual Abuse

Reporting sexual assault remains risky and cumbersome. A bold faced privileged liar could go on the offensive in front of those willing to believe him, against a truthful lady. Sexual exploitation has gone beyond anything most decent people could imagine. We are not talking about exploitation of ladies alone, the impunity extends to underage boys and girls by the most respected people in the communities is astounding: especially religious men.

Sexual abuse in Africa, even when not criminal but amoral, is punished at least, by public humiliation. Nevertheless, Africans have been abused for ages by many including so called men of God without any consequence. Abusers were above par, sent to “civilize” Africans and lead them into righteous path in the eyes of their Lord. Despite the fact that there are outrageous cries outside Africa and even with Pope’s apology, Africans remain in denial because of the stigma attached to sexual abuse.

However, outside Africa, black perpetrators of sex crimes especially outside their own community are not so privileged. While whites would even gain most conservative and religious votes despites sexual abuse, blacks might as well write their obituary or if lucky, spend good time in jail; no matter how weak the case against them. Vestiges of violent history of lynching black men based on just claims of looking at white women still remains. After all, sexual crimes have little sympathy within any African community.

This is why we know Bill Cosby would eventually be sent to jail, no matter what, as sacrifice to clean up the vices in the community. He strayed too far from his root and displayed hypocrisy against his people. Notably, they use his castigation against young blacks as reason to expose a previous case deposition to criminal liabilities. There are different standards for punishing blacks and privileged whites for the same crimes. Easier to make blacks scapegoats and a sacrifice for crimes everyone finds deplorable.

The pioneer of Playboy magazine died a natural death as a millionaire. By overbearing impunity these men, powerful or not, got away abusing subordinates under their trust. Their victims never attracted, wanted or encouraged their despicable acts. It soils most innocent men and put others squarely in the sphere of opportunists. Since the number of the opportunistic ladies that target innocent men are very small in proportion to the enormous abuse suffered by most ladies, it may not deserve critical investigation.

The worst sexual deviants are those within families. When a father felt entitled to sexually violate his own daughter. The fear of losing support, dislocating the family and disaffection may have given some of these men the impunity to try what they would kill outsiders for. It is difficult to understand how anyone can be sexually attracted to children you train and correct their behavior almost daily or weekly.

Sexual exploitation are generally between the powerful and his subordinates. We are now witnessing other abuses hardly contemplated. The drive to get sex by any means and perpetrate their criminal behavior on a class beyond their reach, influence or fancy but still convinced of their invincibility as privileged class; to satisfy their deviant sexual fantasy on those they can never be associated with.

Though sexual deviants are known to exert power over their victims, they know they have little power over others beyond reach but would use any means they could to get their way. A lady can seduce any man that falls for it but a man can also use chicanery or brute force into a woman by rape, a criminal behavior. There is a difference, defined by the criminal act of a little man on a powerful respectable lady.

However, there is also some compulsion to humiliate, ridicule or demean those they can never attract. As some men can have criminal intent to violently violate some superiors, some ladies without brow can also humiliate, demean and violate male counterparts. It may be harder to tell or complain that you have been violated by a weaker sex. The evidence needed may be more preponderance than that of a female victim.

Some Catholic priests are now coming out about abuse they endured during their training. They indicate that non-Catholics or Muslims are worse by statistics. Their lack of resistance then and resignation to keep quiet up to the present in order not to break the trust of the congregation speaks to what would otherwise be known as conspiracy. There was certain level of loyalty, not to bring any church into disrepute. Some of them might have also abuse altar boys or other priests in a conspiracy of vicious circle!

Until we realize that sexual deviants do not depend on advantageous relationship or power alone, it might be difficult to understand that perpetrators are not just criminals alone, many of them in the religious order or college fraternities use sex as a form of initiation. There lies the difficulty of exposing behaviors that turnout to be criminal later.

As more ladies enter the workforce, climb up the ladder , not only would we have more female bosses acting like men, we would have women by their share number intimidating men that are more powerful than them. Apart from competition for higher positions from equally lower positions between men and women, men can be displaced for favoring or being friendlier to other women. If he supports a lady other ladies disfavor, he may be gone when accused, even before completing an investigation.

What we have here are ladies less powerful than the men but can displace their own superior by bringing up charges of sexual harassment. Bear in mind that accusation is enough to soil the reputation of an innocent man. It has happened that even if he is exonerated of all charges, his chances of recovery on the job becomes dim. The employer would not risk another accusation, true or falls before letting him go.

It gets worse. There are cases where ladies are competing against one another for the same man, not only in the workplace but also inside a man’s home! A wife invited a longtime family friend (homewrecker) that always flirt with her husband to a party in their house. All the husband did at the party was flirt back. Their guest called the police that he grabbed her backside. He was escorted by police out of his own house in front of his family.

Man, be careful who you exchange that flirt with, you may end up in jail! The fact that this man was known as a respected fellow did not matter, they say all men do it until one is caught. Men also must be careful with those that would lure you into a trap to destroy you out of spite, jealousy and ridicule. It could be where that saying that hell has no fury like a woman scorned.

Anyone that thinks that every case would be like that in Rolling Stone in one of the United States universities where the accuser or accusers were later discovered to be false, should realize that is an exception. But then, we cannot blame any employer that wants to cover itself from liabilities in view of demonstrated abuse by many men, especially in the position of power or trust.

Source: Farouk Martins Aresa
Published: Saturday, September 29, 2018

https://www.modernghana.com/news/886329/why-serial-rapists-except-blacks-get-away-with-sexual-abuse.html#

Tinubu the Vulture is whose moves everyone has to watch here.

He is overdue for disgorgement. Anyone but Tinubu's choice. Even Ambode in opposition to Tinubu looks better.

It will be nice if Otedola could pull the same surprise his father did years ago.

Panic: Africa Western Tastes Incurred Odious Loans Now Chinese Loans

Chinese companies will takeover Zambia’s power utility ZESCO and the Airport. Your country is next! Once upon a time, an African country used to lend or grant money to some African and Caribbean countries to pay their workers’ salaries. It is now ancient history. Today many African countries including the giant of Africa, cannot fund their budgets without loans from (IMF) International Monetary Fund of the western countries and lately from the Chinese banks.

Whether Chinese loan or western loan is cheaper or more favorable has become an academic exercise. There has to be takers for any loan before a competitor can beat the interest rate in order to attract the takers. The debate about which loan is cheaper or more favorable should be reserved for weaklings that are producers of nothing and consumers of everything outside their capabilities.

The only countries that live on deficit are those printing colored papers not backed by gold, natural resources or material goods; whose prices they can dictate by fiat. If anyone wants to swindle you, they take tangibles from you in return for intangibles. Even then, intangibles can be hyped euphoria like drugs, lottery, infatuation, 419 or illusions. As long as there are sellers and buyers, contract bogus or not, can take care of disputes. It up to whose court of law?

https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/news/270370/panic-africa-western-tastes-incurred-odious-loans-now-chine.html#

Another good example is the armed race. Poor countries buy arms from powerful countries to destroy or protect themselves at such an exorbitant price, they never have enough finished resources, goods and services to pay off the sellers. Indeed, arms are good source of income for rich countries. When powerful countries sell arms to one another, they buy to dismantle and study them so that they can produce their own.

This is why sellers put limitation on the versions they sell or restrict the type they sell. The price of most of the arms sold to poor countries can take up most of their budgets pushing them into loans from the sellers of deficit financing. This is why they create conflicts within regions and sell to both warring factions. It is a win-win situation for the arms sellers and lose-lose “bargain” for buyers.

More important are the conditions for the loans that can vary from perpetual deficit or outright seizure of the project like the infrastructure the loans are used for. This is what is going on in Zambia. Both are more or less the same. If they do not take over the projects, they may dictate the rent, tolls or bigger share of the returns on each project.

In short, whatever a country takes a loan for; it never belongs to the people again. Since these loans are structured intentionally, never to be paid back in full prompting defaults. If paid pack as in Nigeria’s Paris debt, it’s in interest on interest resulting in multiples of what the initial principal was.

If you have a choice between odious loans from the western world paying for those western taste addictions or to Chinese softer loans buying up Africa, which would you prefer? Some claim that the only way out, is to play along if you want to get along and sign unto their loans for “progress”. You may be indebted to them for life, it all boils down to what you are getting back. Another form of slavery in paradise!

It has been argued that if African did not take these odious loans to pay for our acquired tastes, religions and cultures we would still be stuck in the 19 century. While we have definitely acquired material wealth in the mirror image of our “liberators”, we have also plunged ourselves into financial and cultural debts that we have no way of getting out of. If anything, our self-worth has depreciated into inferiority status. Are we better off today than we were in the days of our derailed Great Empires?

When western countries warn Africans about Chinese loans and its consequences of being indebted to China for life, we must ask why coal is calling kettle black. Each of these western countries now see a threat to their domination of African tastes, culture and religion heavily paid for with our natural and human resources. All they had to do is give us more loans to pay for their food, gadgets, weapons, machineries and their “technical” expertise.

The Chinese, looking for the same privileges in Africa are willing to do whatever Africans want at a cheaper rate than the western countries. Finally, the competition is on and the western countries are worried to death that Africa may slip away from their sphere of influence. Mind you, it is not that the Chinese are giving Africans anything for free. But their terms and conditions only appear more favorable than those of the West.

Indeed, the Chinese are better than the Russia. Most of the projects started by Russians are either in decline or incomplete like the Ajaokuta Steel in Nigeria or poorly constructed and not functional. We must remember that the Chinese had an early presence in Africa during the construction of many railways across Africa. These were durable and if they fell into disrepair, Africans should be blamed for lack of maintenance. The relationship is different today.

Recently, people cried out that the local rice is more expensive than foreign rice. Producers are giving the same excuses bread makers, local auto assemblers and others were making to make more profit in Nigeria, shooting themselves in the foot; while they sell the same cement, oil and gas cheaper in neighboring countries.

This is how we killed our textile and palm oil industries for imports from Asian countries bought with odious loans.
Source: Farouk Martins Aresa
Published: Monday, September 10, 2018

I have a question.

Is this also imported or Nigerian made?

What I read here are about morons that turned portable water into a test for civilization.

What if she has never seen this type of portable water before, does that make her uncivilized?

Copycats that never praise or respect home or locally made goods.

Now who is the slowpoke?

Chei, see ignorance o.

What part of Okonjo Iweala, Sowore or Fela Kuti spoke in either American or English accent?

It is one thing to be articulate making sure people understand you, it is another to confuse it with foreign accent to obtain a job as a broadcaster in Nigeria.

I hope you guys realize that François Mitterrand, former Greek President George Andreas Papandreou taught in America and Russian President or Chinese for that matter spoke in their language through translator when in England or America.

But the colo-mentality born in most of us do not even allow you to speak to your children in your language at home.

Kotinue.

bobnatlo:
He doesn't have to, he schooled their

I've got close families that schooled here and are either working or lecturing abroad now.

It's normal for them to speak normal nija english n pidgin when interacting with us but will speak fluent foreign assent at work place or when delivering seminars there.

It's almost automatic for them and it's all for better communication with colleagues there. If u don't they'll keep asking u to repeat ur words n reading ur lips to understand what u saying.

So chill it's just normal for uhurru to switch when speaking to keyans or interacting with foreigners.

I'm surprised u guys are reacting this way. Even okonjo iweala, sowore, Fela kuti and host of others do that.

If PMB is still a past HOS and in daura, then no qualms. But as a president??
It's minus for him period

One of the columnists wrote about this a few months ago.

Who cares?

Look at what these fools turn successful young pretty Nigerians to for making their country proud.

The theory you learn in school still holds to a large extent.

However, we have a few cases of half man half animal as in dogs, cattle others. It is more difficult but close species of man can produce next generation. Even homo sapiens evolved before refinement to the present stage but it took generations.

This silent conscience still exists but not in big cities and the social medial where looters and conspicuous spenders are glorified.

Unfortunately, they are the people young generation aspire to. They are rich, sexy and powerful.

Cave girl was half Neanderthal, half Denisovan

By Helen Briggs BBC News

Once upon a time, two early humans of different ancestry met at a cave in Russia.

Some 50,000 years later, scientists have confirmed that they had a daughter together.

DNA extracted from bone fragments found in the cave show the girl was the offspring of a Neanderthal mother and a Denisovan father.

The discovery, reported in Nature, gives a rare insight into the lives of our closest ancient human relatives.

Neanderthals and Denisovans were humans like us, but belonged to different species.

"We knew from previous studies that Neanderthals and Denisovans must have occasionally had children together," says Viviane Slon, researcher at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology (MPI-EVA) in Leipzig, Germany.

"But I never thought we would be so lucky as to find an actual offspring of the two groups."
Is everyone part Neanderthal?

Present-day, non-African humans have a small proportion of their DNA that comes from Neanderthals.

Some other non-African populations, depending on where they live, also have a fraction of their DNA that comes from an Asian people known as Denisovans.
Image copyright B Viola, MPI-EVA
Image caption Excavations at the cave

The fact the genes have been passed down the generations shows that interbreeding must have happened.

However, the only known site where fossil evidence of both Denisovans and Neanderthals has been found is at Denisova cave in the Altai Mountains of Siberia.

And very few - less than 20 - so-called archaic humans (those belonging to species other than our own, Homo sapiens) have had their genomes sequenced.

"Out of this very little number we find one individual that has half-and-half mixed ancestry, " Dr Slon told BBC News.

When other studies are taken into account, "you start to get a picture that over all of our evolutionary history humans always mixed with each other".
When and where did Neanderthals and Denisovans live?

Neanderthals and Denisovans are known to have overlapped in time in Eurasia.

The two groups lived until about 40,000 years ago; Neanderthals in the west and Denisovans in the east.

As Neanderthals migrated eastwards, they may have encountered Denisovans at times, as well as early modern humans.

"Neanderthals and Denisovans may not have had many opportunities to meet," says Svante Pääbo, director of MPI-EVA.

"But when they did, they must have mated frequently - much more so than we previously thought."
What do we know about the girl and her family?

The girl's story has been pieced together from a single fragment of bone found in the Denisova cave by Russian archaeologists several years ago.
Image copyright B Viola, MPI-EVA
Image caption The cave is the only place where fossils of Neanderthals and Denisovans have been found

It was brought to Leipzig for genetic analysis.

"The fragment is part of a long bone, and we can estimate that this individual was at least 13 years old," says Bence Viola of the University of Toronto.

The researchers deduced that the girl's mother was genetically closer to Neanderthals who lived in western Europe than to a Neanderthal individual who lived earlier in Denisova Cave.

This shows that Neanderthals migrated between western and eastern Europe and Asia tens of thousands of years before they died out.

Genetic tests also revealed that the Denisovan father had at least one Neanderthal ancestor further back in his family tree.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45271644

Omo oko ni e.

Sorry, I do not know how to translate it into English.

Moorish:
And brother, about the earlier spat we had

I call truce

Our histories were suppressed/wiped out so I believe I need you, as well as all my other brothers to reconnect the pieces

When odduduwa says he came from the east, it could simply be kush/sudan

We all know the destruction of Kemet/egypt is what led to our downfall/enslavement

The pale skinned humans had to conquer the entrance to africa (Egypt) before penetrating the mainland

So it is very well plausible that our origins are truly eastern (egypt/sudan/kush)

No ill feelings. These issues are complicated and even worse but for the painstaking and ardous work by Diop.

Yet, we cannot totally dismiss oral history at the same time, we have to wait for scientific evidence to back them up.

Olu317,

Thanks as usual for your info.

However, I am weary of those that claim Nork Culture does not match Yoruba, Dufuna Boat does not match Yoruba and now Iwo Eleru at our door step does not match Yoruba.

We even have some Ijebu that claim not to be Yoruba, that Bikilusu that built the largest area in Ijebu is not Yoruba, so are some Itsekiri, Lakunmi in Onitsha area and now the Bini.

Nevertheless, culture from Egypt to Mesopotamia down the Nile to Sudan, Tapa, Borgu far from the present Ife were Yoruba?

While trying to be objective, we must be blind men and women describing different parts of an elephant.

Indeed, Youruba assimilation, tolerance and bi won se bi erun, ni won se bi omo: must have overtaken our generosity.

No wonder the only place claimed as no mans' land is Yoruba land.

I feel sorry for una.

kayfra:
Still, we are not moors. Though we have traces of admixture, just means we are humans. Every human is mixed

Thank you, that is obvious from organ donor genetic matching where family members do not match but people from different continents and colors match.

But prejudice is stronger than scientific facts.
Do not forget that black dynasties in Egypt at different periods, history and edifices were obliterated.

Even the flat nose of the Sphinx was disfigured.

Go figure that out.

googi:
When Amad Baba complained bitterly that only Yoruba, Mossi etc that refused to convert to Islam should be enslaved, not them because he was a Muslim.

Where was this?

In Songhai Empire in Timbuktu University where Yoruba were scholars and traders. We can all agree that is far from Ile-Ife.

I have no problem with those that claimed Oduduwa of B.C came from Oke Ira as long as we all agree that Yoruba are also world travelers that came back home. Of all the ethnic groups in Africa, Ile-Ife and Ooni command respect and awe that pread to even those that have never been to Ife.

The III will now ask me for authority on that last statement.

When Amad Baba complained bitterly that only Yoruba, Mossi etc that refused to convert to Islam should be enslaved, not them because he was a Muslim.

Where was this?

In Songhai Empire in Timbuktu University where Yoruba were scholars and traders. We can all agree that is far from Ile-Ife.

I have no problem with those that claimed Oduduwa of B.C came from Oke Ira as long as we all agree that Yoruba are also world travelers that came back home. Of all the ethnic groups in Africa, Ile-Ife and Ooni command respect and awe that pread to even those that have never been to Ife.

The III will now ask me for authority on that last statement.

There are two Obalufon here.

I may be responding to the III.

Sorry for the confusion.

I am very concerned about the son travelling from Abuja. I hope all is well.

As for his siblings, I am not surprised. There may be sibling rivalry and mama's favorite.

She will be fine in Lagos until her relatives show up.

Obalufon,

I do not agree with everything you posted but I respect your view and connection to Ife. I am not sure if you missed or discount Zo Giwa connection and account.

.OPINION
By Zo Giwa
The Yoruba people know who they are.....

AS one of the Olugbon princes in Ekun Osi of old Oyo empire and a direct descendant of Oduduwa through Oramiyan, and as passed down to us by our ancestors, I think I'm well informed to contribute to the above raging issue. A person who is bent on inheriting another's legacy will say anything for history.

...

BTW, you may be right on online writings but discerning mind know how to sort facts from rubbish.

Other disciplines including science and law know how to do that. Actually, you are one of those online writers.

Scholars now realize that if their work only comes confined to academic publications, most of them will die unread by this generation.

So be careful.

Olu317,

I still maintain that and believe the migration pattern: but back and forth from Ife in what I think our fathers sorjourned beyond our rain forest.

Cursed generation. Where are dark skinned women like you?

No wonder they bleach.

You are dead right. Discovery of Iwo Eleru 10,000 BC of Yoruba antifacts was almost a miracle in our wet vegetation in the rain forest. As we move North, preservation became easier as the discovery of Danfonue boat or the Nork culture.

Unfortunately, Ife had to move southwards about seven times for safety.

geosegun:
Being a geoscientist I can state that topography, surfacial processes and geographical locations (vegetation) would never favour preservation of fossils in West Africa, hence the paucity of fossilized remains of ancient man.

While I am not against or in favour of these argument. It's good to look at all reasons and available evidences from both angles. I have read somewhere that one of the longest strain of DNA comes from West Africa and Close to Ife, in present Osun state. This surprised the scientists and hence the reason they narrow their research to Ife within the Yoruba enclave.

I am open minded and learn everyday. There is something about that IFA, it gives the practitioner a lot of confidence and hence being adopted even in foreign lands. It was IFA that states the life begins at ife. It may as well means that civilizations of the Yoruba race began at Ife? Just thinking out loud.

Believe me, it is not easy but I have avoided superfluous adjectives that people use when they cannot use logical points to counter insurmountable issues in a discussion.

I do not know how proximity of Sudan and Ethiopia that has been known since ancient time got to do with similarlry of your nose to those you wish you were.

It reminds me of a girl with blue or green eyes that was celebrated on this site sometime ago.

Until you come up with useful discussion, this is my last response to you.

Moorish:
Your post is erroneous

You said ife is the source of man and verified your claims by stating the oldest human fossils stem from Sudan?

Do you even read your posts?

Your problem is lack of proper education and fundamental geography

If you had the latter, you would know Sudan is nearer Ethiopia than Nigeria is to Sudan

Did I miss the Africans?

Really l feel sorry for your generation.

Probably does not know a single one that qualifies.

Ok, I got it.

No wonder we called them Ijebu Onibo 'di.

Aweso o!

Just a joke don't get mad o. Do not spoil a good topic.

TOKUGAWA:
Facts about the Ijebu people of Nigeria:

1. Ijebu’s were the first people to have contact with Euràopeans in 14th Century.

2. Ijebu’s were the first to be educated by western education

3. First people to manufacture gear of wars in history of Nigeria.

4. First people to contend the slavery extortion in the region.

5. The first people to invent money made from Cowry shell, later made Coin called PANDORA
which was acceptable through Africa and Europe

6. Ijebu was the first indigenous CLERK to European missionaries.

7. The Europeans Observers found them more intelligent than the other groups in Nigeria.

8. Ijebu was the one to raise agitation from emancipation from Colonialism.

9. Ijebu king (Orimolusi) was the second Oba appointed by Colonial master for London Conference in 1957 to negotiate independence.

As for number one, they flew past Lagosians and landed in Ijebu, abi?

The U.S. Trade Representative said on Tuesday it was reviewing trade benefits to Rwanda, Tanzania and Uganda under the African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA) after a complaint by U.S. interests about an East African ban on imports of used clothing.

USTR said the “out-of-cycle” review was in response to a petition filed by the Secondary Materials and Recycled Textiles Association (SMART), which complained that the ban “imposed significant hardship” on the U.S. used-clothing industry and violated AGOA rules.

http://www.africanews.com/2017/06/21/rwanda-tanzania-and-uganda-face-us-sanction-after-used-clothes-ban//

US gives three East African states ultimatum to reverse mitumba ban

East African nations that are en-route to banning the importation of used clothes may soon pay the price after Washington said it will impose trade penalties in retaliation to what it sees as a blockage of free trade.

The US State Department’s Harry Sullivan, the Africa Bureau acting head of the economic and regional affairs, said Rwanda, Tanzania and Uganda have until next week to reverse the decision or face the penalties.

http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/East-Africa-US-mitumba-ban-Agoa-threats-penalties/2560-4305604-j0yhri/index.html

Far from it. Indeed, migration of Africans is undisputed by most honest historians and archeologists. They were the Aromire and Oloko of those days found worldwide Before Christ not to mention Columbus the usurper.

I think the confusion stem from their return back to Africa as Omowale, Ola-Tokunbo etc. Some of the historians even indicated that Oduduwa had to produce evidence of birth marks and others to be accepted.

BTW, I have followed you and Olu317. Even when you guys disagree, you have been very educative. It does not mean I always agree with both of you.

If you read the early posting of Moore, he thinks Moores are from out of space until their history and lineage was stated by you or someone else.

Obalufon:
Are you disproving migration of Africans or black moors legacy ... what is the difference between Nupe man and igbo or calabar man?...

Moore,

I wish I can convince you but you are an educated man that skewed your knowledge to inferiority complex. But most blacks do that even outside Africa. They always refer to their one drop of European blood no matter how much African blood they have in them.

Then, when looking for organ donors, whites are surprised that their closest genetic match is black or the other way around.

Does that make a white man black or a black man white?

You are no different from the most pure Hausa that claim Fulani is their blood in order to gain privileged class.

BTW, the oldest fossil evidence of man is closer to Sudan than Ethiopia. Your East Africa come after. That is still closer to lfe.

Your problem is not education or more info. but complex that has turned Africans into providers of raw materials for life.

I am surprised you're the only one that see through her cheap publicity.

Maybe she is sending messages to someone or don ready to go market.

Nice marketing strategy

Buroda,

Inferiority complex go kill you. It is undisputed that life began in Africa.

When you guys talk about originally or origin of a word or people, it can only come from Africa. Stop twisting it the other way round.

Ife in Africa is closer to the origin of man than Garden of Eden or whatever anywhere else. Stop relating to people who do not give a damn about you or relate back to you.

No wonder they give you Bible, Koran and mirrors and give you their culture to cherish but devalue your gold diamond, uranium etc in other to sell them back to you after devaluing your currencies.

In those days as kids we used to call morons compound fools. But not anyone here because you guys are supposed to be highly informed.

So please display your educated instincts here.

.However you also had sizeable conscripts from the sub Sahara so what is your problem if I choose to embrace a Moorish identity rather than this s.hitty Nigerian identity ?