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Christianity EtcUnderstanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Goshen360(op): 1:38pm On Apr 28, 2013
Precept upon precept and line upon line, I want to present to this generation the power of the Grace of God and the Grace Gospel. I have noticed on this forum that many church folks do not understand Grace neither do they understand the Grace Gospel - Some thinks when we teach grace, we give license to people to sin. Some thinks grace is another gospel and to some, they MIS-understand the truth and power of the Grace and the Grace gospel. I will begin a concept, line by line and precept upon precept to understanding the Grace gospel.

Those who use Grace of God as a lope holes for their sinful living do not yet understand Grace neither have they received Grace of God. Those who say Grace gospel is another gospel don't understand it and those who have not come to the knowledge of this gospel will do so by the revelation on this truth. First, you must understand, Grace of God is not a licence to continue in sinful living neither is it another gospel, it is the gospel committed to the Apostles of Christ for the church of Christ, I will get there in this teachings.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. John 1:17


Many have understand Grace to be a teaching as one aspect, but beyond that, it is also a person, that is Christ. When Christ came by (not given by), he came as an all-inclusiveness of God. I don't reside in Nigeria presently, I can "give" a gift to anyone around the world without necessarily "coming or going" to that person. That's the same analogy when the law was given by Moses BUT Grace & truth "came" by Jesus. When I come to who I send my gift to, I come with everything in me, not leaving anything out - That's how the all-inclusiveness Christ is. Christ himself is the embodiment of Grace and truth and that was what was handed down to the Apostles for the church of Christ. Whatever you are struggling with in life, it is because you haven't received Grace to that effect and everything you need, is encapsuled in the Grace of God - it is a free gift so that no man shall glory in self.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God. Acts 20:24


So, we see from this verses above, Jesus "came" with this Grace and handed it to the Apostles for the church, "the GOSPEL OF THE GRACE of God. What then is Grace and what is the Grace Gospel?

to be continue...
Christianity EtcRe: Goshen, Are The Moral Laws Of Moses Still Relevant To Christians Today ? by Goshen360(m): 5:40am On Apr 28, 2013
New Living Translation (©2007)
One of them, an expert in religious law, tried to trap him with this question: "Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?" Jesus replied, "'You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments." Matthew 22:35-40


New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"A new commandment (singular) I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." John 13:34-35


Many Christians are still counting 10 commandmentS (plural) while Jesus had moved from 10 to one. Many are still standing on Sinai while Christ is in Zion. Many are still bothered or carrying the yoke while Christ yoke is light. He took the 10 commandmentS (plural) which he gave on Sinai by himself and replaced or made it ONE, an all-inclusive one and yet many of us are still counting 10 thou shall not, thou shall not. Christ is the one that made the 10 commandments of Moses into ONE, not Goshen360, we only need to get the revelation and flow in it. If the one is obeyed, the 10 is obeyed. If the one is fulfilled, the 10 is not given a special preference and consciousness. This is the same message that is carried on by the Apostles.

New International Version (©2011)
The commandments (plural), "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not covet," and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:9-10

New Living Translation (©2007)
For you have been called to live in freedom, my brothers and sisters. But don't use your freedom to satisfy your sinful nature. Instead, use your freedom to serve one another in love. For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Galatians 5:13-14


Here, we see the Apostle carrying what Christ laid as foundation into the Epistles. You that is an adulterer, you still commit adulterer because you don't love God neither do you love your neighnour not yourself. You're struggling with covetousness, it's because you have not loved God neither have you fulfilled this ONE commandment, love. There's are 10 doors but just ONE key to all the ten doors. You murder or steal because you have not obey the NEW COMMAND of Christ, which is called the law of Christ, to love God and love your neighbour.

New Living Translation (©2007)
I am writing to remind you, dear friends, that we should love one another. This is not a new commandment, but one we have had from the beginning. 2 John 1:5

New International Version (©2011)
And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister. 1 John 4:21

New Living Translation (©2007)
And this is his commandment: We must believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us. 1 John 3:23


The message doesn't change within the Apostles. It was the message of Christ, from 10 commandmentS (plural) to ONE command(ment), (singular). Those who struggle to fulfill the 10 commandmentS have not truly find the revelation of & fulfilled the ONE commandment. Love is the life and nature of God and 1 Corinthians 13 list its features & attributes. It is also the divine prescription & cure to living a Christ life; not obeying your flesh nature or sinful desires of your flesh - Galatians 5:22-23. "A new commandment (singular) I give to you...." as said by Christ already take care of and\or replaced the others that was given.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 3:50pm On Apr 27, 2013
obadiah777: CAN SOMEONE BE BLESSED AND CURSED AT THE SAME TIME ? YES. READ THE STORY OF JOB. HE WAS BLESSED AND CURSED AT THE SAME TIME. WHILE HE RECEIVED THE PROTECTION OF GOD AS A BLESSING, HE RECIEVED THE CURSE AGAINST EVERYTHING HE OWNED
JOB 1 VS 12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord. <<< CURSED AND BLESSED. NOW LETS MOVE ON
obadiah777: I OBLIGED HIM ANYWAY. JUST TO KEEP HIM QUIET, WITH THE BOOK OF JOB 1 VS 12. CURSED AND BLESSED AT THE SAME TIME IN THAT VERSE
See how you displaying your ignorance on the world wide web. I will attend to you later. You know I don't joke with my job. Lemme finish making me some money mehn. Bloomberg is counting on me.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 2:20pm On Apr 27, 2013
@ All,

I think I will find time to do comprehensive teaching on "Grace of Christ". Many people do not understand Grace of Christ or the Grace Gospel. They think when we teach Grace, we give people license to sin. NO! Those who use Grace as a license to continue to sin DON'T understand Grace Gospel but they're merely abusing it. Grace is an all-inclusive power and empowerment that is encapsuled in Christ.

One of the aspects\dimensions of the 'all-inclusiveness' of Grace is empowerment to live above sin not to continue to make habit of sin. However, the dimension of Grace that many knows is the 'unmerited favour'. Yes, it is unmerited favour but Grace is more than that - It is a person, not a teaching or subject, Grace is the all-inclusive Christ. I will make out time to teach this soon. God bless y'all.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 2:13pm On Apr 27, 2013
0keyxyz: @All,

In christianity there are two categories of believers, and within these beliefs there are different shades. You are either a Law Abider(this is the majority) or you are a new testament(without the law) christian. For me: I am 100-percent new testament, which means I am against the Law and the Law is against me. I am poor in the law(the Flesh) but rich in the spirit. I do not define morality based on the law because it is all shadows and lies, and anybody who follows them follows the lie.

The Law when interpreted by a spiritually minded person is "good and holy" but we know that the law was given to carnally(who do literal interpretations, or interprete according to the "flesh" ) minded people, therefore this law becomes an instrument for sin. But I as a spiritually minded person interprete the law perfectly, knowing that they are "shadows" and that the real substance needs to be decoded from these shadows and dark sayings and symbols. I know the true message of what the law is saying, therefore i disregard what the law is "supposed" to be saying and follow the truth(spirit).

Where the law says "God", it is a shadow. Where the law says "mother and father", it is a shadow, Where it says "Israel", it is a shadow, where the law says "good", it is also a shadow, etc. So I cannot follow the definitions and morality of the law. This is the meaning of Liberty in Christ Jesus. It is a liberty from the Law.
Expanded Bible (EXB)
The law is only an ·unclear picture [ shadow] of the good things coming in the future; it is not the ·real thing [reality itself; true image of them]. The people under the law offer the same sacrifices every year, but these sacrifices can never make perfect those who come near to worship God. Hebrews 10:1
....Christ is the TRUE IMAGE that the Law points to and now that Christ had come, why are church folks still holding to the Law rather than to Christ who is the TRUE Image of the Law?

My brother, God bless you! Many Christians are tied to or joined to or married to the Law and hence, the Spirit of Christ is far from their Christians lives. That's what Romans 7 points to. There's need to first liberate folks from the grip of the Law of Moses which Christ had already done but many are still legalistic thinking they are married to Christ.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 1:50pm On Apr 27, 2013
Goshen360: @ Obadiah777 & MostHigh,

Please, kindly answer this one question and remember to use scriptural backups. Can someone be blessed and also cursed AT THE SAME TIME?. As in, can someone be wet and at the same time be dried? Or say, asleep and awake at the same time? Or dead and be alive at the same time. Please answer and I will proceed, if need be with you guys.
@ Obadiah777 & MostHigh,

Don't tell me none of you saw the above question and are ready to answer o. You guys are busy flying words into the air without treating the topic.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 12:36pm On Apr 27, 2013
@ Obadiah777 & MostHigh,

Please, kindly answer this one question and remember to use scriptural backups. Can someone be blessed and also cursed AT THE SAME TIME?. As in, can someone be wet and at the same time be dried? Or say, asleep and awake at the same time? Or dead and be alive at the same time. Please answer and I will proceed, if need be with you guys.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 4:58am On Apr 27, 2013
@ Ihedinobi,

This writing is gonna be a bit long but I will like to just make it brief as I can. We have a discussion on Romans 7 & Galatians 4. I will deal with Romans 7 aspect now and will return to Galatians some other time. Now, when Christ came from eternity, he needed a 'body' that will represent many things. Hence, the body that Christ bore, is physical though but it represent many thing which I will point to you from scriptures.

1. The body of Christ represent SIN - 1 Peter 2:24. That's why when Christ died on the cross, we also died to SIN and no longer alive to SIN. Romans 6:2, 11. The church is the 'body' of Christ and he being the head, when the natural body of Christ died on the cross, the church, spiritual body also died to sin.

2. The body of Christ represent the LAW of Moses - Romans 7:4. When the natural flesh or body of Christ died on the Cross, the law of Moses also died and was abolished. By that act, we are also dead to the law of Moses and alive in the Spirit of Christ. Romans 7:6. By the representation of the body of Christ, when it died on the Cross, we also died to the law or are dead to the law, of Moses. Also, when the body of Christ died on the cross, the law of Moses was abolished through or by his body, Ephesians 2:15.

3. The body of Christ represent SACRIFICES. Hebrews 10:5; 10. That's why the greatest sacrifice was paid by the death of his body and we no longer offer all those Mosaic sacrifices no more.

4. The body of Christ represent the COMMUNION. Luke 22:19; 1 Corinthians 10:16.

5. The body of Christ represent the OLD MAN or NATURE. Colossians 2:20; 1 Peter 4:1-2; Romans 6:7.

There're many but I will stop here for now since I have pointed out the one that will lead me into the discussion of Romans 7 and Galatians 4. I will continue again. Stay tunned. God bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: SACRILEGE: Worshiper Gives Used Condom As Offering In Church by Goshen360(m): 3:23am On Apr 27, 2013
Finestlex: Okonkwo said the giver of the abominable gift refused to confess his crime, even when the entire church rained curses profusely on whosoever was responsible. He said, “A curse was laid on the person. Even before the people laid the curse, God had already seen the abomination committed in his house by someone, who pretended he came to the church to worship God.”
Many religious people are VERY VERY FAR from being a Christ-like. This is what I hate about 'religious people & religious leaders'. I do not by any means justify the action of the person who presented the condom into the offering box or whatever but does raining curse on such person justify being Christ-like?

A woman was caught in the very act of adultery though she wasn't a Christian but did Christ rained curse on her? Did Christ justify her action? Corinthians Christians committed greater abomination than this person who gave condom even in church gatherings but did Paul the Apostle rained curse on them?

These 'religious' leaders who are in the business of cursing the saints of God are insulting the finished works of Christ that was paid for a soul. The action of the man was bad and very bad but it hasn't come to the point of cursing such person, rather they should have prayed God save his soul. Religious leaders are too far from conforming to the image of Christ.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Kun, Goshen, Frosbel And Everyone: Your Views On Gbile Akaani's Teachings by Goshen360(m): 12:54am On Apr 27, 2013
hisblud: Thanks for that reply. Now since we agree that LOVE is the in thing not trying to follow some rules, my question is do you WILL to LOVE your neighbor as yourself or how...now take for instance, i was a badt boy who engaged in lustful activities [such as self servics, forni-cation etc with women], now that am in Christ, do i also now WILL NOT TO DO those things or how...
This love is a virtue and one of its features that is given with the NEWLY CREATED MAN IN YOU IN CHRIST IS THAT, IT IS NOT SELFISH. It's the bedrock and fountain on which you GRACIOUSLY DO THE WILL OF THE NEW MASTER, NOT OF THE OLD MAN OR SELF. Read 1 Corinthians 13. By love, you yield to the Grace (new empowerment) not to serve the old nature but the way of the new master being obedient to the word according to the NEW CREATION. When it's new creature, it must not live according to the old ways. Perhaps, I may find time, because of you and some others, I will do some teachings on Grace, hope I find time.
Christianity EtcRe: Seven Woes On The Teachers Of The Law And The PASTORS by Goshen360(m): 10:35pm On Apr 26, 2013
This OP is also a promoter and teacher of the law of Moses; he teaches the application of the law of Moses to Christians.....what then shall we say unto him? Woe? shocked
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 2:50pm On Apr 26, 2013
I will be back soon. Lemme go get me some money first at work. grin
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 2:22pm On Apr 26, 2013
MostHigh: it is goshens law that we are useing now to address all issues concerning sin

Goshen has taken the place of the yashua and even moses whom yashua reverd

Lawless goshen.
Christ has given me the law of LOVE and of Faith. That's all I need to live a holy Christian life and overcome the world.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 2:20pm On Apr 26, 2013
MostHigh: my friend the words of yshua are IS THE END OF THE DISCUSSION.

please try and quote yashua ibn joseph regarding this your lawlessness issue and lets see if judgement no go follow you up quick quick.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Romans 10:4


Let that word sink into you and stop propagating Moses' law. Christians LOOK unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. The law was GIVEN to Moses but Grace & Truth CAME BY Jesus Christ. Christ is GREATER than Moses to have GIVEN the law to Moses in the first place....says the book of Hebrews, Christ is greater\better than Moses.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 2:03pm On Apr 26, 2013
obadiah777: IF THE LAW IS SUMMED UP IN LOVE THEN THE LAW STILL EXISTS. SEE HOW YOU SHOT YOURSELF IN THE FOOT ? IF I HAVE SEVERAL CARS IN MY GARAGE AND I SUM THEM UP BY CALLING THEM 'TOYS'. DOES THAT MEAN MY CARS HAVE DISAPPEARED BECAUSE I AM NOW CALLING THEM TOYS ? DO YOU SEE HOW YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT THE LAWS STILL EXIST BUT ARE NOW CALLED AND SUMMED UNDER 'LOVE' ? LMAO. OK THIS POST WILL BE CAST IN STONE SO THAT NEXT TIME I WOULD BRING IT UP ANYTIME YOU START YOUR SLICK TALK grin grin grin
Sharrap there. Which law is it? of Moses? or of Christ? or of Spirit? or of Love? which law is it that still exist? Read my last post from Galatians 5:22-23.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 2:00pm On Apr 26, 2013
obadiah777: 1 JOHN 3 VS 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law <<< RIGHT IN YOUR FACE IN BOLD LETTERS. TELLING YOU WHAT SIN IS
You're defining SIN by the writings of the law of Moses. That's your problem. When the law is nullified, you cannot defined sin by the law of Moses because it is null and void. LOVE and FRUIT of the Spirit is what Christians follows to DEFINE what SIN is or NOT. Listen to this,

Amplified Bible (AMP)
22 But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness,

23 Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [that can bring a charge].

Expanded Bible (EXB)
22 But the ·Spirit produces the fruit of [L fruit of the Spirit is] love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, ·faithfulness [or faith], 23 gentleness, self-control. ·There is no law that says these things are wrong [or No law can oppose such things].

Galatians 5:22-23


Can you read that?........there is no law [that can bring a charge].
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 1:48pm On Apr 26, 2013
obadiah777: OK LETS START BY DEFINING WHAT SIN IS.
1 JOHN 3 VS 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law FOR THERE TO BE SIN THERE HAS TO BE LAWS. SO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING IS THAT SIN HAS BEEN ERADICATED ? NO MORE SIN ? WE ARE NOW UNDER GRACE, SO SIN IS OBSOLETE ?
You just don't listen to others. You've heard us say, the law is summed up in love. So when the law said, don't commit adultery, fornication, steal, kill, etc. And Christ came and said, loving God and loving your neighbour is the antidotes to all these laws - that is, when you love God and your neigbour, you don't kill who you claim to love, you don't steal from him\her, you don't sleep with his\her spouse etc. LOVE is the fulfillment of the LAW. Romans 13:9-10. We're not saying there's no more sin, loving God & your neighbor is the cure to sin, hereby LOVE is ABOVE & GREATER THAN THE LAW of Moses!

obadiah777: 2 JAMES 2 VS 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors << THE SAME PAUL WHO YOU GUYS HAVE MISQUOTED IS SAYING THAT THERE IS A LAW.
Was it Paul who wrote that or James? The Amala and Rice mixed together wey you just chop no let you know wetin you dey type again abi grin The law that is in operation in the Christian is the law of the Spirit, not of Moses. The law of Christ, the law of faith and of LOVE. This is the law the New Testament holds for Christians not Judaism law of Moses.

Also, sin also means missing the mark or yielding to the flesh or making a bad choice. Sin also means anything not done in faith or of faith. Sin means a lot of things depending on the context used.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 1:35pm On Apr 26, 2013
@ obadiah777,

Is that the whole bible definition of SIN? You just pick one\two of out the numerous meaning\definitions of sin.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 1:32pm On Apr 26, 2013
New Living Translation (©2007)
For Christ himself has brought peace to us. He united Jews and Gentiles into one people when, in his own body on the cross, he broke down the wall of hostility that separated us. He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups. Ephesians 2:14-15


The mouth of the Judaizers (followers of the religion of the law of Moses) must shut completely. Those who like to enforce the requirements of the keeping of the law of Moses mixed with Christianity must be silenced in their mouth. These is the good fight of faith that our Paul the Apostle fought.

Christ came to end the law of Moses system so that it will not hold on the 'new people' that was formed out of Jews & Gentiles, the new people being Christians. Christians are made up of two groups, Jews & Gentiles but from time past, the Jews had wanted their religion of the law of Moses enforced on Christians but God by Paul announced the era of the law of Moses had ended at the Cross. The Cross is the great divider to the law & Christianity.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op):
@ obadiah777,

You & your Judaizer video clips. grin Christians are not part of you! grin Should I quote one law of Moses for you so that you see you cannot keep it? grin
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op):
obadiah777: YOU THE ONE WHO NEEDS THE LUCK. TRUST ME BRUV. KEEP FOLLOWING THAT DOCTRINE OF DEMONS INSTITUTED BY THE ROMAN EMPIRE SO AS TO GET THE WHOLE WORLD INTO FORGETTING THE LAWS AND LIVING HEDONISTIC LIFESTYLES. YOU WILL SOON FIND OUT HOW WRONG YOU WERE.
Brother, the Grace of Christ is NOT a certificate to live ungodly lifestyle bro; it is an empowerment to live the life of Christ and not to continue to make habit of sin. You don't understand this Gospel at all bro.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For you have been called to live in freedom, my brothers and sisters. But don't use your freedom to satisfy your sinful nature. Instead, use your freedom to serve one another in love.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

Galatians 5:13
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 1:43am On Apr 26, 2013
shdemidemi: I really hope he does..I don't think he is worth the attention you give him.
His doctrine lacks direction..
Thanks for your time and contribution. I will continue in the morrow with Ihedinobi. Ihedinobi is also another Gospel potential on this forum but he's still hanging out with the law of Moses grin I hope I can deliver him and some folks from the grip of the law of Moses though grin...by the Gospel of Grace through faith in Christ so that they can unveil the Grace dimension. Should Ihedinobi stop hanging out with the law of Moses today, he will explode on this forum even more than me myself cool
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 1:17am On Apr 26, 2013
@ shdemidemi,

I guess you just knowing Obadiah777, he will keep taking you in circles and quoting scriptures out of context or scriptures that aren't even related to what he is saying. grin That's what he does many times I have discussed with him. Truly, our brother Obadiah777 is miles away from the gospel of Christ. I sincerely wish he gets the revelation.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 12:38am On Apr 26, 2013
obadiah777: YEAH FOLLOW GOSHEN TO DESTRUCTION. THIS IS YOU AND GOSHEN HERE 2 THESSALONIANS 2 VS 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
KEEP BELIEVING THAT LIE THAT THE LAWS ARE ABOLISHED.
To be eternally clear, it is the law of Moses that is abolished. We live by the law of Christ, the law of Spirit of Life and law of LOVE, of faith in Christ. That's the law that Christians live by, not by the 613 laws of Moses.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 11:56pm On Apr 25, 2013
Ihedinobi: It is symbolic.
Okay, I will write intensively when I wake up tomorrow. I'm tired for today. I can only do short comments. Thanks bro.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 11:55pm On Apr 25, 2013
obadiah777: BRUV, CHRIST DID NOT BRING COMMANDMENTS FROM THE BEGINNING. IF YOU READ THE OLD TESTAMENT DILIGENTLY, YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT THE NEW TESTAMENT IS A REGURGITATION OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. THERE IS NO DIVISION BETWEEN THE BOOKS. THATS A MISTAKE MOST NIGERIAN CHRISTIANS MAKE. IT IS ONE LONG CONTINUOUS BOOK. YOU ERR THINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT IS A DIFFERENT BOOK FROM THE OLD. THE PURPOSE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT IS TO TELL YOU HOW THE GENTILES GOT KICKED INTO THE LAWS BY CHRIST SACRIFICE. THE LAW STILL STANDS. GRACE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANS. GRACE WAS FOR THE ELECT WHO WENT OUT AND DID THE JOB OF BRINGING THE GENTILES INTO THE LAW. YOU ERR WITH THIS YOUR DOCTRINE GOSHEN. YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE SIN THINKING THEY ARE UNDER GRACE
Keep on doing the law of Moses bro. Christians are DEAD to the law of Moses as far as I'm concern. Go study Galatians and Romans again. The era of the law of Moses is gone. To be clear, I do not see or teach the the New are separated from the Old. It's a continuous revelation, don't just jump to conclusions and the New was NEVER to bring the Gentiles under the LAW OF MOSES, that a big error you're making but rather, to tell the Jews, the era of their law of Moses had come to an end.

New Living Translation (©2007)
So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don't get tied up again in slavery to the law. Galatians 5:1

5Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.” 6The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.” Acts 17
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 11:44pm On Apr 25, 2013
obadiah777: WRONG. THE PURPOSE OF CHRIST WAS TO UNITE BOTH JEW AND GENTILES TO THE LORD AND UNDER THE LAW. EPHESIANS 2 VS 14. THERE IS NO MORE JEW OR GENTILE SO LONG AS YOU ACCEPT THE LAW. THE BATTLE LINES ARE NOW BETWEEN BELIEVERS AND NON-BELIEVERS. AS FOR THE BELIEVERS, THERE IS NO MORE JEW OR GENTILE. THEY ARE BOTH UNITED UNDER THE LAW NOW. THIS IS THE MAIN PURPOSE OF CHRIST. TO UNITE BOTH FACTIONS TO GOD UNDER THE LAW.
NO! That's not true. It was the law that was the barrier. Hence, Christ cancelled that law of Moses so as to remove the barrier so the Gentiles can be engrafted into the new covenant. Read the next verse of the scriptures you quoted, it tells you how Christ did that,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

New International Version (©2011)
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

New Living Translation (©2007)
He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups.

Ephesians 2:15


One of your issue is you're too tied to KJV. It's okay if you understand it but you need to unloose yourself bro, by checking many comparative translations from time to time so actually see what is meant in context.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 11:36pm On Apr 25, 2013
obadiah777: READ DEUTERONOMY 28 VS 15-68. WE ARE IN HELL. HELL IS A CONDITION. THE PALE HORSE ALSO KNOWN AS THE GRISLED HORSE IS IN AFRICA. THIS IS THE HORSE WHICH REPRESENTS HELL ( ZECHARIAH 6 AND REVELATION 6 ). BROTHER WE BEEN IN HELL. grin TRY TO STUDY THE OLD TESTAMENT MORE
Yes, I had studied the Old and will return again at least for people like you who say I don't do Old Testament, I will start some teachings soon on the forum from the Old. The Old is fulfilled in Christ & the Church. If you can't see Christ revelation from Genesis to Gospel of John, you're reading the Bible, NOT studying. But STOP following Moses' teachings, it's a shadow, get the substance of out it, that's my message to you.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 11:33pm On Apr 25, 2013
obadiah777: 2 JOHN 1 VS 6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. <<< SELF EXPLANATORY. COMMANDMENTS FROM THE BEGINNING.

ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Mark 1:1


Stop reading scriptures in superlatives - Beginning doesn't mean from Genesis. Beginning there refers to what Christ taught at the beginning of his earthly ministry ^ as quoted above.

See, you're a good bible student but until you stop reading the law of Moses with the lens of the law, then you will never understand anything. But when you start reading the law of Moses with the lens of the New Testament, then it will be very clear to you. The law is just a shadow of Christ and hidden revelation of the finished works, the Epistle of Paul is what revealed that Revelation.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 11:26pm On Apr 25, 2013
shdemidemi: I agree but just to be clearer incase we are not saying thesame thing, the message of the law is for the Jews and the Jews alone cos they will serve extra years after rapture and the message of grace is to every believer elected by God
Our Christian brothers & sisters FIRST need to part with the law of Moses first before they can experience the MANIFOLD Grace of Gospel - That's the Gospel! You can't plant Grace where the works of the law is still deeply rooted. Hebrews says, God TOOK AWAY one (law) that He may ESTABLISH the other (Grace). In other words, he took away Moses that he migh establish Christ. We are saved by Christ (Grace) and cannot continue to live by the law (Moses) teachings or mix\balance both together. That's spiritual adultery according to Romans 7.
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 11:18pm On Apr 25, 2013
obadiah777: LMAO. AFRICA IS A FORM OF HELL. PSALMS 9 VS 17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God <<< IN AFRICA ARE THE REAL JEWS. YOU BEEN IN HELL. YOU GOT PUNISHED FIRST ( AMOS 3 VS 2 ) ( 1 PETER 4 VS 17 )
Sharrap there! grin Which Africa be form of hell? You don start abi? Yeyenatu! grin
Christianity EtcRe: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 11:16pm On Apr 25, 2013
obadiah777: LOL. A FEW VERSES FOR YOU
1 JOHN 2 VS 7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
Why don't you complete the context of the verse or ask yourself, what is the 'old commandment' in that context? You think it's the one in 'old testament' right? Well, actually, it is the one given by Christ in Matthew - John (is still the old testament), and that is still LOVE.....it is the fulfillment of the law of Moses.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Dear friends, I am not writing a new commandment for you; rather it is an old one you have had from the very beginning. This old commandment--to love one another--is the same message you heard before. 1 John 2:7


Yes, Yes, Yes, when you love God & your neighnour, you will not sleep with his wife nor steal nor kill nor fornicate not bear false witness against him\her. That's the New Testament fulfillment of the law of Moses. Dead to the law of Moses but alive to the law of Christ - LOVE!

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