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 Christianity Etc › Re: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by Goshen360(m): 8:09pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
^ No mind him. He's tied to Goshen. He doesn't know how to leaf me alone na. I no sabi wetin I do for am o.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Goshen360(op): 8:04pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
Candour: i had always wanted to ask you if you heard of him before but i was wary of promoting man like other mega MOG.Actually it was his site God used to strengthen my Christian walk in my hour of despair.I can't thank God enough for the old man.You're right bro. We don't promote men but Christ. However, we reference and honour those who labour WELL in the word. I can't testify, bro. Les Feldick is very very sound and rich...no tithe teachings also. I do not endorse him not because he doesn't teach tithe only, but he is a Grace teacher, a New Testament teacher, simple lifestyle and uses scriptures to explain or interpret scriptures. I also know one powerful teacher of the word, in my library. I will send to you and some other brethren like bro. "midemide", Ayoku777, DrummaBoy etc. That guy I'm talking about is crazily drunk in the the word of God. I will email you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Goshen360(op): 7:54pm On Apr 29, 2013*. Modified: 8:15pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
Zikkyy: i think you should continue to provide contrary views, that will soften the 'stiff neck'. insults will further harden the already stiff neckThey have nothing to say even though they still remain our judaizer brother, that's no problem. They go off the topic, insult, bring unrelated scriptures into view, they present their points without directions. How do you or they expect me to have a reasonable talk with them? They didn't even wait for me to finish before they start saying I'm teaching Grace for people to sin even though the opening statement says clearly otherwise, I doubt if they ever read other's comments before attacking and insulting and derailing. This is one of the threads that will help our weak brothers and sisters to lean on the power of God's Grace and begin to walk on the word of God being Christ-like Christians in our societies. We have too many professed Christ that are only Christians on Sundays but act like har.lots on the streets on week days, some act like prosti.tutes while some are armed robbers; it is Grace of God that is the cure and I want to present this Gospel of Grace to help them, faith in the finished works of Christ, not of ourselves. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Goshen360(op): 7:44pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
@ Candour brother, Bible Teacher Les Feldick is very sound. I do listen to him whenever I'm chances. A blessing to those of us that listens to him though. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by Goshen360(m): 6:10pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
@ my brother, musKeeto, That thing (coded talk on last discussion) don surface for sure o. I will do the BREAKING NEWS when it is received in the mail. Na free gift of God o, so we teach and preach Grace of God and "some" offended. That kind thing...lolz. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by Goshen360(m): 5:57pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
MostHigh: my intention is not to derail |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by Goshen360(m): 5:37pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
Moderators, Some folks, especially MostHigh is derailing my threads with insults without nothing meaningful to contribute especially, the "understanding the grace of God" thread. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Goshen360(op): 5:32pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
Bidam: take it easy bro.. sorry if my colleagues here are insulting you..oya no vexNo worry, you're my main man even if we disagree. You and me sabi how we dey handle ourselves. No wahala bro. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Goshen360(op): 5:23pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
Bidam: I am not called to teach but i can perceive error when i see one. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Goshen360(op): 5:20pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
Bidam: i wonder why you can't see the hypocrisy of your post..and zikkyy will always run to your rescue..is this not an error on your part to assume i am not a christian? just cos i don't agree to your teachings..see wahala.This is why I sometimes call you the 'religious' fellow. Where in my comments did I say or "assume" you're not a Christian just because we dont agree? Bidam, you're upsetting me! Even when we disagree, I respect everyone here regardless of their views but look at your colleagues here, both using insulting words to make their points, they can't even argue their case reasonable; I'm I don't deal with people of such manners except when they talk as Christians. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Goshen360(op): 3:51pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
Zikkyy: Lol! We understand what's going on, the sons of the flesh are persecuting the sons of the Spirit because the sons of the Spirit have the inheritance and the sons of the flesh will never share the inheritance. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Invitation To Ayoku777 For A Q&A Session by Goshen360(m): 2:48pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
God bless you @ Ayoku777. I sent email via nairaland automated system. Check your email with which you registered with nairaland, it delivered there. The sons of the flesh, that is the people of the law will always persecute the sons of the spirit, the people of grace as typified in Galatians 4. But what says the scripture, they shall not "share" inheritance with the sons of the spirit, the people of grace. I need connect with you as well. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Invitation To Ayoku777 For A Q&A Session by Goshen360(m): 1:35pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
Yeah, @ DrummaBoy, no worry. I dey full ground. The era of milk and spoon feeding is over. Strong meat is now to be chewed. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Invitation To Ayoku777 For A Q&A Session by Goshen360(m): 1:10pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
So two of you, both Ayoku777 my new man in Christ on this forum and DrummaBoy, also my new man here on this forum are enjoying yourself breaking spiritual bread and drinking holy water alone abi? Okay, I don come na...make una give me bread chop too. I don take my seat and I don come full ground. We must finish these spiritual food together. Yoruba says, obe yi dun, sugbon o ta; a jo ma finish e ni, a jo ma laa ni o. Meaning, this soup is sweet but much pepper but we will finish it together, we will use our tongue to 'leak' the plate.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 12:59pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
Goshen360: GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)^ These Christian Judaizers should leave us alone to live by the teachings and law of Christ rather than trying to bind us or marry us with the Mosaic laws. The One who was married to the Mosaic law and represented that Mosaic law in his body was dead and now, we are released and married to another, the One who rose from the dead, so we can serve the in the NEW WAY of the Spirit, Romans 7:1-6. The Mosaic law and its religion of Judaism, religion of works, wasn't written to us (Christians) in the first place. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 12:52pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
Bidam: Na ola..i quote abeg..ask goshen e go tell you better shey you dey follow his teachings..he doesn't even deny it.I didn't deny it because it wasn't for me, he was only speaking into the air. So, what's my business with it. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Goshen, Are The Moral Laws Of Moses Still Relevant To Christians Today ? by Goshen360(m): 12:48pm On Apr 29, 2013 |
Goshen360: GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)^ These Christian Judaizers should leave us alone to live by the teachings and law of Christ rather than trying to bind us with the Mosaic laws. It wasn't written to us in the first place. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Goshen360(op): 11:29am On Apr 29, 2013 |
Bidam: Devotees of the heresy of "grace unlimited", find abundant support for their distorted teachings in the epistles of Paul. There are millions of present-day professing Christians who actually believe that this 'apostle was the founder of a “New Gospel of Grace”. It is this teaching that has opened the door of the church to the world: unrestricted license, freedom and liberty from all law to any who will accept and believe the new Gospel. It is this interpretation which has heralded these present times of lawlessness and crime without proper judgment in the world.Don't be quick to comment on your ignorance. By the time your read the last and final teachings, you will go on your knees asking God for forgiveness and make His Grace sufficient for you. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 7:45am On Apr 29, 2013 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Goshen, Are The Moral Laws Of Moses Still Relevant To Christians Today ? by Goshen360(m): 7:42am On Apr 29, 2013 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Goshen, Are The Moral Laws Of Moses Still Relevant To Christians Today ? by Goshen360(m): 6:40am On Apr 29, 2013*. Modified: 6:57am On Apr 29, 2013 |
Alwaystrue: When people ask you how do I love my neighbour as Christ loved, please what do you tell them? Can you also tie this to the same 10 commandments or refer to I Corinthinans 13?How do I love my neighbour is simply how you love God and love yourself. Can you kill yourself? If you love yourself to the point you cannot kill yourself, then why would such person kill his\her neighbour? Can you steal from yourself? Then loving God and yourself will not make you steal from your neighbour. The 10 commandmentS was taken away and replaced by the ONE commandment of LOVE because we know, GOD IS LOVE, taking your eyes and heart away from thou shall not, thou shall not and fixing your heart on God. The 1 Corinthians 13 are the very nature of LOVE. I cannot talk on each of those natures but that's what they are. We live LOVE by the nature of our new birth without struggles and that's the 10 commandment taken care of right there already. Those who call it moral laws don't even know what they are saying, the bible never made such claim or such distinction from other laws. Also, God didn't give or send us Christ so that we can live a moral lives by calling those law moral laws; God never called those 10 moral laws; God gave Christ so that we can have "life" and\or live the "life" of God through Christ in us here on earth and have eternal life with the Him, the Father, John 10:10 & 1 John 3:15. If you're talking about morals by referring to the 10 commandmentS, then I can tell you you do err to the teachings of Christ that was foundational for the New Testament because hatred or hating a fellow is murder according to Christ Matthew 5:21-22. So when one of your 10 moral commandmentS says, thou shall not kill\murder and Christ replaced with LOVE and this same teachings was expanded and taught by the Apostles that hating\hatred is = murder(ing), and you people of the law of Moses are still counting thou shall not kill\murder, thinking it is until you murder someone physically that you kill, you're still on mount sinai. New International Version (©2011) Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him. 1 John 3:15 Alwaystrue: John 6:63-64Scripture attest to the truth that Christ was born under the law. If the New Testament already started when Christ was born, then there's no need for his death anymore. The words of Christ are spirit and life; that's true and does every word he spoke apply to the Apostles? Even among the Apostles, scriptures always say who or who Christ is talking to at one point or the other. You cannot take for instance, where Christ said "WOE" to the scribes and Pharisees and apply to the Apostles simply because the words of Christ are spirit and life. So, the answer to your question is NO! The words that I speak to you are spirit and life, are the words spoken or he spoke to the Apostles\Disciples, not to any others that the scripture attest to; stop dis-jointing the context of scriptures please, it is a bad way of interpretation. If we partake of those words, it is not because it was directly spoken to us as among the 12 then but because by extension or meaning of disciples, we are followers of Christ. Abi fig tree na followers of Christ ni? Or are scribes & pharisees followers of Christ ni? New Living Translation (©2007) Jesus was aware that his disciples were complaining, so he said to them, "Does this offend you? Then what will you think if you see the Son of Man ascend to heaven again? The Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. John 6:61-63 It simply means he spoke "spiritual things or words" to them. Words are words, not spirit but the words of Christ spoken to then are spiritual words\teachings and full of life....to his disciples; that's what that sentence meant. Or are we to say when Jesus cursed the fig tree, we are to say those words applies to his disciples or to us because it came out from the mouth of Christ and\or it gives spirit and life to the fig tree or it applies to the Apostles? You need to apply the context of "to whom" was the statement addressed in context. Two things Christ came to do under the law when he came - to establish a foundation for the new testament teachings that will effect after his death, hence, choosing the 12 Apostles that will be impacted and carry on those teachings. 2, to fulfill the law (of Moses) and hereby making it null and void to effect the law of Christ, of the Spirit, of faith, of love. That's why not all teachings of Christ was for all public. We are only privilege to have it to everybody today because it was penned down but when Christ was doing some teachings, not everyone was there but most times the disciples and even at that, not all Christ words applies to the disciples or is it everyone (of the public) that was there with Christ & the 12 disciples when he gave the new commandment of LOVE? or when he ate the last supper\communion and taught them to love one another? It is because it was penned down that we're privilege to partake of it. lemme stop here, if need for more question, don't hesitate to ask. I'm at your service! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Goshen360(op): 5:07am On Apr 29, 2013*. Modified: 5:39am On Apr 29, 2013 |
The highlight above are things I will begin to use as a pointer towards this teachings. However, lemme stop, for now, on the aspect of "benefit" as I want to use the analogy of the United State government. You see, a citizen of the United States of America who is out of job, handicapped, unhealthy etc are by being a citizen entitled to the "benefits, recompense, reward" etc just by being a citizen. The same way, as we are a citizen of this kingdom of God, God daily load us with benefits, Psalm 68:19, KJV. What is it that you lack in life and as for godliness and in your Christian walk with God? You have not received because you have not accessed the features of the "all-inclusive" Christ (Grace) of God. Just like you if you have an electronic gadget, it comes with all features needed to make function to the need of the consumer unless the consumer is ignorant of such existing features, the same is our Saviour, Grace, Christ, Gift of God, it is an "all-inclusive and all-upgraded" Christ, it doesn't need to be up-grading, it was up-graded once and for all. Ephesians 2:8 & John 3:16 says it is through faith and believing in this Gift of God, Christ, Grace that we have what it is all-included in that gift. In that gift is salvation and much more. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. Acts 20:32 When Grace and the Grace gospel was commission or handed to the Apostles by Christ, from our opening post's text, Acts 20:24 and in the very same chapter of Acts 20 verse 32, Paul the Apostle was still speaking, the Apostle made it clear that whatever is needed by "all them which are sanctified", it is this word of (his) Grace that can "give" it to you and also "build you up". Brothers and sisters, we have a rich "inheritance" in Christ and it comes by the Grace gospel, which is the gift of God less any man should boast. I have once done a teaching here on this forum that, God cannot give you anything anymore because He had already given you everything that is needed. You can access my profile to check for that teachings. Yes, God had already given you everything you need for life and godliness. What John 3:16 says was given is Christ, and Ephesians says it is Grace, gift of God and Titus calls Him Saviour, God doesn't give you everything, He only gave you just one thing as a gift and everything that is needed or you needed is all included in the (one) once and for all gift of God. Hence, when you read scriptures such as 2 Peter 1:3, New International Version (©2011) His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. . . . and the only thing we read that God gave us according to John 3:16 is Christ. So, where does the "everything" comes from? Off course, it is in Christ, the all-inclusive and all-upgraded Grace of God, it is the gift of God. "For in him (Christ) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily". Colossians 2:9, King James Bible. Having faith in Him, receiving this gift with thanksgiving and through the knowledge of what is all included in the Grace (Christ) of God, gives us the access to the blessedness of that gift. I will conclude with what the gospel of Grace or the Grace gospel is and what it is not in the next and concluding teachings, picking up from the second highlighted (#2a) features or embodiment in the listed above. TBC |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Goshen360(op): 5:07am On Apr 29, 2013*. Modified: 5:38am On Apr 29, 2013 |
Continuing in this Grace series. What is Grace and what is this Gospel of Grace? By the authority of the word of God, I say Grace is Christ PERSONIFIED & EMBODIMENT. Many understand Grace as teachings and some understand it as unmerited favour, but much more than that dimension, Grace is the ALL-INCLUSIVENESS OF CHRIST. Goshen, what does that mean? Christ as we have seen, is the gift of God. I like you to follow me carefully please, it's important!. First, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God". Ephesians 2:8, New International Version. Second, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16, King James Bible. Three, "Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour". Titus 3:6, King James Bible Ephesians says, we're "saved" by Grace and this Grace is the "gift" of God. John 3:16 says, Christ is what God "gave", (that is, a gift is what someone can give); to the world by means of love and Titus 3:6 says, Christ is the "Saviour". These, all put together, Christ is the Grace and gift that saves (Saviour) the world. When God gave this gift to the world, He gave Grace and this Grace is the Saviour in the person of Christ (By "Grace" are you saved...plus, Jesus Christ our Saviour). What does this mean? When someone give you a gift, what do you say? Do you say, how much I owe you or just simply say, thank you? When Christ came and\or was given, it is an "all-inclusive" gift of God with an all-inclusive "features" for live and godliness for all those who are called, sanctified and preserved for God, the Father. When you genuinely received Christ and had repented of their sins and turned unto God, they receive the "all-inclusive" Christ but many are ignorant of the "all-inclusive" features embedded in Christ. When you read the word "Grace" in scriptures, don't see it as a teaching or subject, it is the "all-inclusiveness" of Christ that it speaks about. What then are these "all-inclusive" features of Grace (Christ) that is received when we are saved? 1) grace a) that which affords joy, pleasure, delight, sweetness, charm, loveliness: grace of speech 2) good will, loving-kindness, favour a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues 3) what is due to grace a) the spiritual condition of one governed by the power of divine grace b) the token or proof of grace, benefit 1) a gift of grace 2) benefit, bounty 4) thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Goshen, Are The Moral Laws Of Moses Still Relevant To Christians Today ? by Goshen360(m): 10:05pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
Alwaystrue: Goshen the law has no grip over me as long as I walk in the spirit and truth of Christ but if I walk in the flesh, it means I am serving the law of sin and death- Romans 7:23. And I thank God for His grace through His Son Jesus Christ who is maturing me in him as I walk in the righteousness of the law (which is not of the letter) only fulfilled in Christ Jesus since I believe in Him Romans 8:2-5. Simple and I wonder what else you want to liberate me from since you are not Jesus Christ.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Goshen, Are The Moral Laws Of Moses Still Relevant To Christians Today ? by Goshen360(m): 9:14pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
Alwaystrue: Abeg, na you suppose cool down. Does law of Yes or No sound mature in your eyes? Abi which spirit behind your message should I understand there?Now, you're talking. So relax make I finish making money for work, I will respond as promised. You're one of my targets on this forum, TO LIBERATE YOU FROM THE GRIP OF THE TORAH.... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Goshen, Are The Moral Laws Of Moses Still Relevant To Christians Today ? by Goshen360(m): 8:45pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
Bidam: why NOT address the issue instead of putting a wolfish grin..just cos i said tithe..smhSo you sabi why I dey laugh you abi? You're really in the spirit on the Lord's day . No worry, pepper go soon rest for prophetic pocket |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Deuteronomy 28 Is Not For Christians; Ephesians 1:3 Is Our Key To Blessings by Goshen360(op): 8:38pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
Zikky, These people are Christian judaizers, they will derail, insult, waste time without addressing topic. That's who they are and what they do. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Goshen360(op): 8:10pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
Candour: Loving this lesson.seat takenSup bro? I will continue, one after the other. Many church people only attend church but no evidence of the grace of God, immorality and unrighteousness abound. I trust God, they will find Grace by this teaching. Thanks bro. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Goshen, Are The Moral Laws Of Moses Still Relevant To Christians Today ? by Goshen360(m): 5:27pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
shdemidemi: For us to understand the issue of law, we need to answer and understand these two questionsI love you brother, not because we share same insight but you have the understanding of the word. Peace! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Goshen, Are The Moral Laws Of Moses Still Relevant To Christians Today ? by Goshen360(m): 5:25pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
Alwaystrue:Cool down, quit childishness and understand the 'spirit' behind my statement, which is, such questions as yours are not a yes or no answers that is required except you're looking to catch people by their words rather than understand they're saying. Again, I already told you I will answer in due time but coming back to tell me if I don't wanna answer or choose not to answer is pure childishness. I can choose to or not BUT I ALREADY SAID I WILL ANSWER. So, what's your problem? Why don't you wait if I answer or not as I said. If you're gonna be acting like a baby, I will stop talking to you, okay. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Goshen, Are The Moral Laws Of Moses Still Relevant To Christians Today ? by Goshen360(m): 4:25pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
Bidam: My understanding is that the old covenant of the law of moses established a system of regulated behavior in Israel. In the new covenant of grace the heart of man becomes the living stone on the inside upon which God writes his heart-law. so me paying my tithes for instance is not borne out of a regulated format or because am following the mosaic law but am actually obeying Christ from the heart which comes from a product of revelation. I don't obey Christ unto death because somebody told me to do it. I obey Christ unto death because i have seen Jesus in His glory, and that becomes what i desire. Obedience becomes a joyful activity. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Goshen, Are The Moral Laws Of Moses Still Relevant To Christians Today ? by Goshen360(m): 4:23pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
@ Alwaystrue, I'm not under your LAW of Yes or No to answer your question. Such question doesn't demand a yes or no answer. You asked a question and put a LAW on it that it should be yes or no. Well, next time, ask me to explain rather than the law of yes or no. As per your question, I really respond in due time. |
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