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Una don dey step on my toes for too long with these so called contradictions. If you don't understand something doesn't mean it is false or contradictory. I don't have to go to theology school to explain the word, the power that works in us does that through us. Glory to God, praise God.

This OP sha, he just like to look for my trouble sha.

Paschal007: Eh me i don't cope with that kind desire, i simply satisfy my urge. Goshen360 said sex between 2 unmarried adults is Not a sin. See life's good.

What did he said? Is that what you understood by what he said? Does the case of the OP fits into what he said? You're a liar! Remember, Who.res and who.re.mon.gers, God will judge. Christian Grace & liberty is not an opportunity to satisfy the flesh.

@ Frosbel,

I can't but agree with Alexleo at this time. Forget about what is said about you and IGNORE this thread. I've followed since the beginning of the thread and I foresee what's coming.

You, frosbel DO NOT convert anyone and no truth can be more than that. All you can do is lay the word down and God does the rest. Do not respond to this thread no more.

Thank you bro.

boron10: I did not open the thread to question any spirit. I did to know the reason for this occurrence from the xtians

ooman: why shouldn't things of the spirit be questioned?

iebanehita: So, u r sayin d Spirit is being Selective or wat?!.. Pls bury ds thought of urs.

So y'all don't understand I was laughing at those who say we cannot understand God or his mind, with our finite mind even when we do have the holy spirit working through our mind. Only my brother, musKeeto understood me. Religion & religious spirit is killing the church of Christ mehn.

[quote author=Jd_fada]Christianity has become ritualistic. Christians find it difficult to spend quality time with God hence they lack knowledge. Every little issue they run to the pastors -the all 'Mr fix it'. Its unfortunate the pastors are not telling their congregation the truth. Demons can never stop tormenting any believer who doesn't know his left from his right. Even if he goes on six month dry fast and shout the loudest amen at every service.[/quote]You are a man of God.

Don't tell me you people are beginning to USE YOUR GOD GIVEN MIND TO QUESTION THINGS OF THE SPIRIT O....

@ Bro Frosbel,

We do understand your message. You have balanced both sides. God bless you.

bolaino: Brother goshen, and brother frosbel, I've been meaning to ask, do u guys own churches, irrespectively?

Christ OWNS the church and I or we, including you, are the church of Christ. Frosbel & I are ONE in Christ. Well, as for me, I do hope to work with someone in a teaching ministry or operate one, depending on God guidance, if our Lord tarries. A church cannot own a church, someone will have to own a church and that is Christ.

Condemnation and conviction are two different things. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus but conviction. If we preach and call out the who.res, fornicators, adulterers, robbers & thieves, liars, lesbians, homos etc, if someone hears such message and he/she is none of the above, why should he/she feel condemned? It's only someone who does any of the above that should be convicted and repent.

@ Dear brother Frosbel,

You have a lot of work to do more than you can imagine. Many Christians are follow-follow. Before you can establish the "Grace of God" gospel, you MUST FIRST uproot or cast out the mentality of the 'works' of law of Moses. Then, you can truly launch Christian to "stand in the liberty wherein Christ had made us free". They started in the Spirit but now continuing in the 'flesh'. There's more work to do within the church than outside the church.

Brother Frosbel,

This is a serious issue. I'm telling you! Even our so called brothers & sisters will come talking against you on this subject. I just CAN'T see from the scriptures where demons are CAST out of BELIEVERS OR CHRISTIANS from scriptures. See, there're many things that had eaten sooooooooo deep into the church today and like I always say, many people do not understand the GRACE dispensation.

The Nigeria church is sooooooo blinded to the Grace Gospel that they try to balance\mix it with the law. It is under the law that you see a type and shadow of the substance being under a demonic power. It is an outright insult to the FINISHED WORKS OF CHRIST THAT THESE LEGALISTIC PREACHERS AND JUDAIZERS ARE CONSTANTLY CASTING OUT DEMONS FROM CHRISTIANS. Yes, like you said, we're not talking about UNSAVED OR UNBELIEVERS in this context but Christian or believers.

When you look into the word meanings of the word deliverance, it mean, "believing or believe in what is ALREADY DONE". Christianity is not churchianity. Churchianity is always do this or do that, Christianity says, it is done, it is finished....just believe in the finished work and you shall see the glory of God. Mehn, there's is an explosive power in the word of God. Treasures are buried in the New Testament, eyes have not seen nor ears heard.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And ye are complete in him (Christ), which is the head of all principality and power: Colossians 2:10

Many are saved by Grace through faith but are trying to live their salvation by the law or Grace mixed with the works of the law. The major problem with the legalistic is, the works of the law (of Moses) is still rooted in them. Take away (cast out) legalism and religion of the law of Moses, then Grace will find its root and lifestyle in such believers and the manifold blessings of the Cross will be unveiled to them. The mentality of bondage still lingers in their mind - they still believe one baba in the village is against their success etc. Their mind is not renewed after the word of God and the fulfillments in the New Testament. The word says, "I'm COMPLETE in Christ". I don't know what on earth will make me INCOMPLETE as long as I'm IN Christ still other than religious spirit.

There is a transition that ended on Pentecost and another began that same day. The Spirit coming UPON was transited to the Spirit FILLING or IN-DWELLING the believers. On Pentecost, a prophesy or promise was fulfilled and from then, it becomes the power that works IN us, not ON us. To have the Spirit come on you is to the showered like under a shower but to have the Spirit IN-DWELL you is to have the RIVERS of LIVING WATERS flow out of you because, out of your belly shall flow rivers of living waters. Glory to God, Praise God!

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2:3-4

^ Keep the good and God work. You're God's son doing God's work in God's place and at God's time.

New Living Translation (©2007)
The temptations in your life are no different from what others experience. And God is faithful. He will not allow the temptation to be more than you can stand. When you are tempted, he will show you a way out so that you can endure. 1 Corinthians 10:13

The Corinthians Church (some or most) are the most immoral that Apostle wrote the ^ above scripture to. Think about that scripture above and God will give peace in your heart.

NO! It's our business to tell them to REPENT! Friendship with the world is ENMITY with God!....its a definition!

musKeeto: `
Lol, oga Gosh, long time. I sent you a message on skype long back. I dey online since sef.. na now I wan put head for bed..

Tomorrow?

Nefer put head for bed o, I need anoint your head in just five minutes.....I promise, it wont be more than five minutes. Lemme hit you on Skype now.

shdemidemi: I was actually waiting for you to dig out any weapon of witch destruction.
I know we we were not given the kill kill or fire fire powers like most Christians think.

No mind them my brother. The life of Christ in us is greater than powers of this age. Our Christian brothers & sisters need understand we cannot just pick what suits us out of the laws of Moses and discard the rest. We don't stone people to death no more, why can't the witch also have a life....perhaps, God will save them. We're also once the enemy of God, our Loving God didn't kill us then, why should we be praying that witch should die? And how many of those 'religious' prayers had been answered by God? In the New Testament, God does not want any to die but that all (sinners) comes to repentance. Glory to God, Praise God!

musKeeto: @Iyawitch: I know this advice might be 2 years late, but abeg try palm oil. Frosbel blood fit give you throat cancer...

^ ^ Yes na, abi wetin you think. Efen sef, Iyawitch fit try my brother blood make she receive life because life (of the resurrected Christ) had been exchanged into the blood of my brother.

Besides, you know say you & me get pending discussion hanging on the air o huh, as per....the email\skype thing. Act NOW!

shdemidemi: Mr goshen, talk am o.
Cos apostle Paul no tell me how.

Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:20-21 KJV

That's the New Testament way my brother ^ . I know you're expecting to see KILL & DIE or POINT & KILL scriptures

brainpulse: This verse is used as an example to likened physical growth when it involves teaching and maturity in the things of God not in the context of asking you to use your human knowledge and reasoning in matters involving SPIRITUAL ISSUES & DISCERNMENT, thoughts, understanding and knowledge of the things of GOD.
Spiritual matters are utterly different from Physical principles and what Governs it. We can only discern and reason out physical things through our human knowledge, understanding and from experiences, which are not in-depth and can only be from the minimum surface.

^ How about this?

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Acts 17:2

The "scriptures" is THINGS OF GOD AND SPIRITUAL ISSUES are written therein, we have one of the Apostles "REASONING" the scriptures. What say ye to this?

brainpulse: Gal 5:16-17
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusted against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
While it is appropriate and expedient for everyman to be in the spirit at ALL times to easily discern the antics of men and of the devil there is also a place to use our brain and reasoning on some issues of life which we must declare that it is VERY LIMITED and will not see far.

What does it mean to WALK in the Spirit? How can we being PHYSICAL being walk in the SPIRIT? When we know it actually means to WALK IN THE SPIRIT, then we will understand what that scripture means. Kindly tell us what it means to walk in the Spirit.

brainpulse: The bible says in John 14: 26-
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
If the place of the Holy Spirit is to teach ALL THINGS and BRING ALL things to our remembrance ( through spiritual reasoning), then what we need to do as men led by the spirit is to turn our spiritual antenna to the frequency of the HOLY SPIRIT.

We are NOT putting away the place of the Holy Spirit. Go through my responses again. We have the Holy Spirit to "REASON" with for God said, Come, Let us "reason" together. We reason together with God BY THE HOLY SPIRIT in US in spiritual matters and things of our daily living.

brainpulse: Our reasoning should be of the spirit of God not of our HUMAN knowledge and understanding.

God doesn't suspend our HUMAN REASONING when we approach him. You're making it sound as it we are on another planet when we talk the things of God or that we leave our physical realm when we deal with the Spiritual matters. NO! The Holy Ghost uses our RE-GENERATED mind to REASON and THINK through the things of God. That's not just using OUR HUMAN KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING ALONE - We WORK WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

brainpulse: Then what can we say of FAITH if we tend to limit our reasoning to the knowledge of what we feel, see, think and touch. Then the message of faith will be contestable only on the context of physical and mental reasoning which is normal to every man born of flesh.
Heb 11:1(NLT) -Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.
(ISV)Now faith is the assurance that what we hope for will come about and the certainty that what we cannot see exists.
So when God told Moses to raise is Rod, He had a choice to either see by his spiritual eyes driven by faith or by his physical eyes driven by reasoning and tell God this is never possible.

Those who exercise their mind and engage their reasoning faculty also understand the place of FAITH. If defiles human understand and logic. We understand that also from scriptures. There's a place for 'reasoning' and there is also a higher place for 'faith in God' to which we are called.

18Even when there was no reason for hope, Abraham kept hoping—believing that he would become the father of many nations. For God had said to him, “That’s how many descendants you will have!”e 19And Abraham’s faith did not weaken, even though, at about 100 years of age, he figured his body was as good as dead—and so was Sarah’s womb. 20Abraham never wavered in believing God’s promise. In fact, his faith grew stronger, and in this he brought glory to God. 21He was fully convinced that God is able to do whatever he promises. << Romans 4 >> New Living Translation

brainpulse: When Christ told the Centurion in Matt 8:5-13, He had a choice to either see by his spiritual eyes driven by faith or by his physical eyes driven by reasoning or tell Christ this is never possible.
So our human reasoning is good but will always create more problems rather than solution for us especially in spiritual issues and as well physical e.g. Eve reasoned with the serpent and our spiritual understanding till date as being corrupted but thanks to salvation and redemption.

You're still mixing things up. Human reasoning VS Holy Ghost reasoning in the word of God? Two different things. Again, those who reason the scriptures CLEARLY understand the place of FAITH and when to reason. That's where there maturity in handling the word comes to play a role. When you see your brother going hungry, do you still need to Holy Spirit to tell you to give him food...'if' you have more to spare to him? Human reasoning by their regenerated mind is permitted in the things of God and spiritual matters and that doesn't throw faith into the trash.

Again, when Eve 'reasoned' with the serpent, haven't we\you learnt from that already? Maybe when you answer that question up there about what it actually means to walk in the spirit, you will understand we, in this age and dispensation are more blessed than Eve was.

^ STOP DECEIVING YOURSELF!

Did God said tithe TO THE CHURCH OR TO THE JEW?

Expanded Bible (EXB)
We know that ·the law’s commands [ what the law says] are for those who ·have [are under/subject to;  are in] the law. This ·stops all excuses [ silences every mouth] and brings the whole world under God’s judgment, - Romans 3:19

Now, who are THOSE WHO HAVE THE LAW...of Moses? Allow the scripture to answer you,

Expanded Bible (EXB)
(·Those who are not Jews [Gentiles] do not have the law, but when they ·freely [by nature; instinctively] do what the law commands, they ·are the law for themselves [or reveal their awareness of God’s law]. This is true even though they do not have the law [ the written law of Moses]. Romans 2:14

Expanded Bible (EXB)
To those who are without the law [ Gentiles] I became like a person who is without the law. I did this to win those people who are without the law. (But really, I am not without God’s law—I am ·ruled by [ under] Christ’s law.) 1 Corinthians 9:21

You & I are NON-JEWS, EVERYTHING written in the law of Moses was written to the JEWS, including TITHE!

^ There's a way to KILL witches in the New Testament. Make I talk am?

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New International Version (©2011)
We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 1 Corinthians 2:6

New International Version (©2011)
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature,

How is the above ^ possible?

(by). . . attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Ephesians 4:13

When God said, Come! Let us REASON together. In the New Testament, same God puts the Holy Spirit in a believer, who then are you gonna REASON with if you cannot use your SENSES? and with what are you gonna REASON if you're to come to the reasoning platform with a dumb\empty head\mind? God or Word Reasoning are biblical attributes of MATURE Christians.

It is an insult to God and the Cross to say Christians are under a curse FOR NOT TITHING. Every Christian who is redeemed by the blood of Christ is blessed. Blessing and Curse are SPIRITUAL effect of an action...good or bad. When someone takes a good action towards the finished works of the Cross, such is blessed.

I have never in my whole life seen a man who is curse and at THE SAME TIME blessed. Scriptures says, choose ye this day, blessing OR curse....it didn't say BOTH. So, therefore, I AM BLESSED UNDER THE NEW TESTAMENT AND NOT OR NEVER WILL BE CURSED....not even for not tithing.

Religion & Travel.

First, for people to know is THE OLD TESTAMENT IS NOT A SET OF BOOK FROM GENESIS TO MALACHI and the New Testament is NOT A set of book from Matthew to Revelation.

You ACTUALLY need put things in proper perspective please. The thread is about old and new testament.