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 Christianity Etc › Re: Third Heaven by Goshen360(m): 5:04pm On Oct 14, 2012 |
Reyginus: What do you mean by God creating in two forms?Creation is in TWO FORMS, Invisible and Visible. The heaven that belongs to this/our universe is "Visible" in creation. The heaven that doesn't belong to our universe/world is "invisible". The visible creation is NOT the first creation act of God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Third Heaven by Goshen360(m): 4:58pm On Oct 14, 2012 |
Reyginus: This even strengthens the Op's post of a multi-heaven.My brother.....this is one of my best topics in the bible. When you read "heavens", it refers to our immediate sky and outer space. The "heaven" without "s" to denote plural usually refer to the abode place of God. Sometimes, context also take the "heavenS" (plural) as a whole. I understand the use of "heavenS" as plural in translations because I had questioned it myself before I got the answer. The heavens where we see and can explore is our immediate sky and outer space being refer to as heavens, and such is visible in creation while the heaven which is the abode place of God is heaven and as such, is invisible in creation. I don't understand what the OP meant but am just mentioning the fact he mentioned "Third" heaven from the scripture. I only posted to confirm there is a third heaven and that is where God resides. Except you guys are saying something else. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Third Heaven by Goshen360(m): 4:48pm On Oct 14, 2012 |
Billyonaire: LOL, take it easy on them. Truth has to dawn on them little by little. Spoon feed a child, dont give him EBA to swallow until he is older.What is the meaning of your statement  Have scientist explored the "Heaven", abode place of God When people like me makes any statement in the open and you don't understand.....kindly ask me/us for clarification. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Third Heaven by Goshen360(m): 4:42pm On Oct 14, 2012 |
Reyginus: Following this premise:In addition, creation is divided into TWO, the visible and the invisible. If you say God resides in the universe, it might be true NOT by physical or visible residence but by omnipresence. Heaven and earth are couples and make up the universe as we know on the visible level. Scientists move about in heavens, yes but the visible heaven. That is, our immediate sky and the outer space. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Colossians 1:16 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Third Heaven by Goshen360(m): 4:38pm On Oct 14, 2012 |
In addition to my first comment above, So when we read and study scriptures like, "In the beginning God created the heaven(s) and the earth" - Genesis 1:1, we should study by also questioning what heaven(s) is the verse talking about. When we read scriptures like, "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him" - Matthew 3:16, we should ask, which heaven is it talking about. Asking questions to follow up our study, we will be able to get the truth and revelation of what the scriptures say. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Third Heaven by Goshen360(m): 4:23pm On Oct 14, 2012 |
Joagbaje: It is believed that the first heaven is the atmosphere and. Sky over us. The second heaven is the galaxy and the third heaven is where God dwell.This is the bible truth and herein I stand. 1. Heaven, our immediate sky 2. Heaven, outer space where light bearers are fixed. 3. Heaven, the abode place of God. 1 Like |
| Romance › Re: Court Weddings Vs Church Weddings by Goshen360(m): 4:17pm On Oct 14, 2012*. Modified: 4:56am On Oct 15, 2012 |
Court wedding, church wedding or tradition wedding, A NT Christian is NOT bound by any of them. We do NOT explicitly have law or even commandment to be bounded by a particular one of them. What the NT testament preaches is "Husband, love your wife and wife, love your husband". What am afraid of is churches making church marriage COMPULSORY or even as prerequisite for church leadership. There is NO such commandment for Christian. Do whatever type of marriage you desire and you are okay. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do Pastors Pay Their Tithe ? by Goshen360(m): 6:41am On Oct 14, 2012 |
bernfame: Go and read your Bible and stop quoting me. Paying of tithe is non negotiable. I'm sure that Malachi 3:8-11 can answer your question.And can you tell us who Malachi was talking to in those verse What kind of tithe is NOT negotiable Why don't you be the very one to sit down and read/study Hebrews 7......I have done that and the truth therein had set me free. Why don't you do same.....  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do Pastors Pay Their Tithe ? by Goshen360(m): 6:09am On Oct 13, 2012 |
bernfame: How can he pay tithe to himself. And point of correction, you dont pay tithe to your pastor, you pay tithe to GOD.You mean 4 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: All Atheists Are Evil According To Image123! Christians, Defend Your Bros! by Goshen360(m): 7:54pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Logicboy03: Only bigots would take the second part of the title literally.....and then, the second/third law of logic applies.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: All Atheists Are Evil According To Image123! Christians, Defend Your Bros! by Goshen360(m): 7:08pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Logicboy03: Just shut up. SHUT UPCan we use the same laws of logic to digest Image123's statement And let's see if he is right or wrong. After all, the title of your thread carries, "....Christians, defend your bros"....Am defending him now and you still complain....are you ever satisfied Okay, your very own I.d carries "logic" and I have used the laws of your own "logic" to defend my Christian brother after you called on us to defend him...... 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 6:52pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
D sage: Hmmmmm, ****SIGH****Which one be "****SIGH****" Have you read Hebrews 7 yet or you still want me to call witnesses from the scripture to testify |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 4:33pm On Oct 12, 2012*. Modified: 4:55pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
D sage: Sir, like I said earlier in this thread,we are no longer in agrarian society,so tithe in my own personal view should be given in form of money.1. The bible makes it eternally clear that "money" existed from Genesis BUT our God was very specific and NEVER commanded tithe to be taken from money.....how then do you tell God's people they should bring tithe from "money" 2. Thank God it is YOUR OWN PERSONAL VIEW, NOT GOD's OR BIBLICAL VIEW. D sage: Beside, how do you arrived into the conclusion that God has changed the laws from tithing to giving?Hebrews 7 is the answer. We/I didn't just come to that conclusion. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 4:30pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
D sage: Most of you guys especially Goshen360 are so stingy with money.That's a dangerous accusation my brother. Do you have ANY scripture to punctuate and back up your claim/statement D sage: The reasons behind this thread is unwillingness of op and his friends on this thread to release/pay 10% of their hard earned money to church/ God ministry.When have you become the word of God that KNOWS the intent of the heart For your information, we give our money to the work of God to support the Gospel BUT WE DO NOT BRING TITHE.....if we are to bring tithe as commanded, we should and will be bringing crops animals to the church. I hope that will please and satisfy your judgment on us if we bring crops and animals. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 4:18pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
[quote author=Bélla3]In the church i attend(for nw). There is a big post on the wall that anyone who doesnt pay tithe wil be poor FOREVER. Na so i fear carry #5 put for envelope. Thats my tithe. Atleast i gave WILLINGLY!:-D[/quote] 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: @frosbel, Who Is Jesus Christ? (re: A Proposition For Theological Debate) by Goshen360(m): 4:13pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
italo: I have read 1 Cor 15 and it doesn't make sense because I am using your way of reasoning that says that God, god and 'a God' are all the same and that there are countless gods in heaven and earth including me and you. So which god is Paul talking about? Is it you?If Ijawkid is saying God, god and "a God" are all the same, we can as well use same logic to conclude by saying or using Yahweh, as god....... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 4:10pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
D sage: The phrase "when convenient" as it was used in my previous post, indicates that church members shouldn't be intimidated as regards to tithe paying. Now my question to you;Good kweshion. There is NOTHING like willingness IN THE COMMANDMENT OF TITHING - YOU MUST BRING IT. However, there is willingness in Giving and that goes beyond tithing which is according to specific percentage. When you talk about tithe, you specifically talk about "crops and animals". When you talk about giving, then you talk about ANYTHING and that can include money. God is wise to change the law from tithing to giving. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 4:03pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
ijawkid: Lmao..... . Na Federal Government dey fuel my car for here o. Make I begin dey pump petrol from my car to your car ni....the thing go dry finish before e reach yonder naw....... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: All Atheists Are Evil According To Image123! Christians, Defend Your Bros! by Goshen360(m): 3:59pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Logicboy03: Look at the comments from a christian brother and tell me who is evil!The Three fundamental laws of logic says and I quote: 1. The law of Identity. 2. The law of noncontradiction. 3. The law of the excluded middle. Suppose we take the statement "It is raining" as "A" under the indicative sentence. We could come to a logical conclusion using the Three laws of logic that 1. A is A - taken under the logic of the law of Identity. 2. A is not non-A taken under the law of noncontradiction. 3. Either A or non-A taken under the law of the excluded middle. Therefore, we can conclude by using all three laws of logic saying, "Why do you call me good?" Jesus asked him. "Only God is truly good. Luke 18:19 AND English Standard Version (©2001) In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven. Matthew 5:16 What more shall we say, shall we continue in sin that Grace may abound? God forbid ! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 3:29pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
ijawkid: Let me zip my mouth...........so that you no go come add petrol on top of the fire. . You know how much per litre petrol don cost now right ...I no say you no go wan add more petrol because we fit save that money for tithe on sunday..... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 3:23pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Pastor Kun: That would amount to twisting scripture and changing the word of God which we all know is a very grievous sin. Anyway as I said earlier christians are not meant to tithe in the first instance.Egbon mi, mo ti so fun yin pe bobo yen (D sage) ma salo gbeyin ni....... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Advice To The Owner Of Nairaland Mr Seun & Religion Section Moderators by Goshen360(m): 3:21pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
God2man: @Jesoul and mamustwac, i know Jesoul is a christian, mamustwac is an atheist, fine. No problem.As much as I agree with your thought, I think you are NOT doing a good job in the right manner, following the rules. In fact, this thread should NEVER be attended to by ANY moderator or even the owner of the forum AND should be LOCKED. The reason is, there is a complain thread ALREADY existing to this effect and you KNOW the RULES. Hitherto, [size=20pt]THIS THREAD IS TEMPORARILY LOCKED[/size].....but comments are still allowed until FINALLY LOCKED. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: @frosbel, Who Is Jesus Christ? (re: A Proposition For Theological Debate) by Goshen360(m): 3:08pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
truthislight: read what the bible says from the scriptures i cited and then you know my stance.Okay. Let me wait for Frosbel to answer his own part of the kweshion since the kweshion was directed to three of you and two of you (You and Ijawkid) had already answered your part. @ Frosbel, am waiting for you to answer the same kweshion directed at three of you guys o. Thank you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 2:58pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
D sage: What are you trying to prove by above writeup please?He is trynna |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 2:56pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel: Please free to 'puncture' those verses, a good debate is always welcome !Okay now, since you gave me permission to puncture those scripture....Let me proceed frosbel: 2 Corinthians 8:12Clearly enough......This scripture talks about A GIFT and hence CANNOT counter scriptural text for tithe. Tithe as we know from the word is NOT A GIFT. IT IS A COMMANDMENT weather it is convenient or not. A gift is born out of desire, willingness and free will......I hope you are not beginning to learn the trick of how to twist scriptures frosbel: 2 Corinthians 9:7-8Clearly enough....This scripture talks about GIVING. Not Everyone in Israel were commanded to tithe under the OT law of tithing (only those who are involved in crops and animal rearing ONLY) BUT right in the face of this scripture, EVERYONE IS EXPECTED TO GIVE......and this kind of giving can be anything including money, car(s), house etc unlike tithe that is strictly from crops and animals. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 2:40pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
D sage: Whatever! Scripture is scripture whether old or new testerment.Let's begin to put your statement under the lens of the word and allow scripture to validate it..... New Living Translation (©2007) When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) In that he says, A new covenant, he has made the first old. Now that which decays and grows old is ready to vanish away.................Hebrews 8:13 Does your statement, "Whatever! Scripture is scripture whether old or new testerment" validate in the face of Hebrews 8:13 OR does it validate in the face of the second witness am calling to testify against you, New International Version (©1984) He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. II Corinthians 3:16 D sage: I want you to know that, they can't just collecting tithe from congregations without backing it up with some bible verses.Backing it up with scriptural verses doesn't make it sound doctrine. If in truth it is, they should have also taught the church members this scriptures, New Living Translation (©2007) "You must set aside a tithe of your crops--one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. Deuteronomy 14:22 OR New International Version (©1984) Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always. New Living Translation (©2007) Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship--the place the LORD your God chooses for his name to be honored--and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the LORD your God. Deuteronomy 14:23 D sage: NOTE; I'm not in support of any pastors who intimidate their members to pay tithe. Tithe to me should be given at will or when convenient for the payer and not the other way round.Tithe as it is in scriptures is.....as COMMANDED, NOT as CONVENIENT sir. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 2:13pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
plappville: There is offering for women seeking fruit of the womb,This is funny .....so I laugh plappville: ... women seeking husbands etc hahaha....This is "funnier" .....so I laugh plappville: Some churches today take advantage of memebers situation.Some "churches" AND PASTORS, actually ONE MAN PASTORAL BUSINESS....take advantage of member's situation and the word of God exposed them long ago, GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) These people complain, find fault, follow their own desires, say arrogant things, and flatter people in order to take advantage of them. Jude vs 16 GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) No one should take advantage of or exploit other believers that way. The Lord is the one who punishes people for all these things. We've already told you and warned you about this. I Thess. 4:6 plappville: No wonder they split off to open thier own church. When Pastor B sees what Pastor A is enjoying, Pastor B will take some members and break out to open his own church. These are the Pastors seeking money. They are not ordained by God.I couldn't have said it "berrer".....lolz plappville: The true ones do not pressurize tithe on memebers.No! The True ones KNOWS, by scriptures we are NOT UNDER THE OLD TESTAMENT NEITHER ARE CHRISTIAN OBLIGATED TO KEEP THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH. The True ones knows that Hebrews 7 nullified TITHE and brought it to an End for BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES, both making Christians. The true one knows and understand that TELLING CHRISTIANS TO STILL TITHE IS PLACING THEM UNDER CURSES OF THE LAW....for if you must obey the law, you must obey ALL. The True ones knows that Christians WERE NEVER UNDER THE LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE BUT CALLED TO GRACE....For Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 1:44pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel: You mean like Leviticus 27:30 , 40000 BC , lol,...OR LIKE New Living Translation (©2007) "You must set aside a tithe of your crops--one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. Deuteronomy 14:22 ....OR LIKE New International Version (©1984) Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always. New Living Translation (©2007) Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship--the place the LORD your God chooses for his name to be honored--and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds.[/b]Doing this will teach you always to fear the LORD your God. [b]Deuteronomy 14:23 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 1:33pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel: 2 Corinthians 8:12Frosbel, can I begin to "puncture" those verses by/under your approval/authority even though I am against tithe scripturally OR should I/we leave it to the tithe teachers |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Put Your Hard Questions For Trinitarian Theologians Enigma , Goshen & Company by Goshen360(m): 10:09pm On Oct 11, 2012 |
frosbel: Is he ?Frosbel, why are you dodging those questions. Abi your spiritual stamina don finish ni .......Abeg answer even if na just two you fit answer. Here are the questions again:Does the Bible teach/says and calls the Father God? Does the Bible teach/says and calls Jesus Christ God? [s]Does the Bible teach/says and calls the Holy Spirit God?[/s].....let me even leave the third kweshion out for now so we don't complicate issue. Abeg Frosbel, help me answer the rest two. Thank you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Goshen360(m): 10:02pm On Oct 11, 2012 |
frosbel: Sorry this scripture clearly shows that Jesus acknowledges GOD as his father and GOD, please what is your point ?My point with you is, You said Jesus is NOT God but just a mere man. The simple question I want you to answer is NO threat even as I call the eternal witness against you this day. It is by no means any threat but calling witnesses of the Father from scriptures as what the Father himself calls the Son. It is simple, Does the Bible and The Father (God) also identified the Son as God? NOT "g"od. I have said in the past and will say it again, Jesus being God DOESN'T MEAN OR SAY He is the Father BUT Still God. Kindly answer the simple question, Is Jesus God By "God", I don't mean "g"od; I mean "G"od.. By simple answer, I meant, Yes, Jesus is God OR No, Jesus is not God according to plain scriptures in the bible. Very simple |
| Christianity Etc › Re: @frosbel, Who Is Jesus Christ? (re: A Proposition For Theological Debate) by Goshen360(m): 9:09pm On Oct 11, 2012 |
truthislight: the word God is a title that all entities that received worshipful honor are entitle to and Jesus is one of such entities.So do I take it that you agree or believe that Jesus is God (excluding the "Mighty"  and NOT "god" with the lower case "g" ~Just an answer in one simple, straight forward and plain sentence please~ |
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