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musKeeto: They SHARE in the divine NATURE of GOD through JESUS CHRIST, but not through THEMSELVES...Oga musKeeto...I hail o. You know Frosbel had been appearing like the omniscience of scriptures in recent times. I really want to engage him in the debate. E be like say Frosbel don read some new stuffs wey dey shack am....lolz . It's good to test the truth of his new theology. @ Frosbel, Oya, Oga Frosbel, you called for debate and here I am volunteer myself. Abi you no want debate again ni ![]() |
frosbel: and who is saying he was not divine ?You have said many times that Jesus is not GOD. You even went further to add "PERIOD" to your statement. That seems to go a long way to say, that is FINAL. I am kind of confused on your position. On one hand, you say something and on the other hand, you deny what you say. Kindly respond to my post up there. I do not think I can hold my peace any more while you go on attacking the deity of Christ because the deity of Christ is the hope of our believe and this is where we (Christians and Christianity) is different from other religion. To attack the deity of Christ is to demote Christ to mere or ordinary man. I await your response to my post above and I will respond according. |
Enigma: No matter what the "anti-Trinitarians" say {and we know the spirit behind their "fight"}, the following truths taught in the Bible have never, can never and will never be "debunked".This is the biblical position and herein I stand with the truth. Thank you my dear brother Enigma. Thank you for upholding the biblical mandate and truth of the word of God. @ Frosbel, I have read from behind many of your new theology and attack on the Deity of Christ and of the Holy Spirit. I am willing to engage you either by "logic" or using "scriptures-to-explain-scriptures". However, I will set my rules and if you are will and every other person reading this thread. I will like us to systematically teach scriptures proving the above by Enigma in which I also believe as the teaching about God. If you are will to debate with me, kindly let me know and I will set my rules and let's see how it goes. I have kept much silence on your recent attack to the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit. |
@ Ihedinobi, These questions are too much naw.....Abeg, professor take am easy naw, lolz. . @ OP, This Trinity has generated much heat recently. Many verses refutes the unitarians in the scripture. My only issue is against those who deny the deity of Christ as God, not the Father though and who deny the Holy Spirit as God and being distinct from the Father and the Son but rather say, the Holy Spirit is a Force or Power or whatever they call the Holy Spirit. Apostle Paul believed in "Trinity" even THOUGH THE WORD "Trinity" wasn't used by him. Apostle Paul who wrote most of the epistle that we quote and minister from says "the Father is God", New International Version (©1984) We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you. Colossians 1:3 The same Apostle Paul calls Christ God, New International Version (©1984) Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen. Romans 9:5 The writer of Hebrews (I believe it's Apostle Paul though) clearly differentiate and gave a clear picture of "Trinity" EVEN THOUGH THE WORD "TRINITY" WASN'T USED. Take a look at this, New International Version (©1984) How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! Hebrews 9:14 To the OP question, "Is The Trinity Foundational To Our Faith?". The simple answer is YES! However, it doesn't mean those who dont believe in Trinity are loved less by our heavenly Father. As a matter of truth without mincing words, ALL TRUE BELIEVERS ARE PART OF THE GODHEAD or TRINITY or GOD FAMILY. Hence, God family is MORE than Trinity. Glory to God. I will continue when I wake up. Thank you all. |
Ayomivic: Also, Holy Spirit is greater than human being because he comes from God and he was given power to rule over Millions of Christians in the world.That makes him God too.I have shown Ijawkid and truthislight where the Bible calls the Holy Spirit God but they discarded the scripture that they don't agree with it. It was strange to me anyway but they are my good brothers, lolz. Truthislight and Frosbel, (I don't know and am not sure the position of Ijawkid); believes the Holy Spirit is a force or power. This is totally strange to the scripture. A force doesn't speak, doesn't have mind etc but the bible makes it clear that the Holy Spirit is NOT a force or power but a being that speak etc. Let every man sit to study the bible with all humility and open mind to be taught by the Holy Spirit. |
ijawkid: But OP please discard the word TRINITY and the doctrine itself...it taints the truth u know....it goes against some salient truths u put up there...... ![]() I can understand. I think I agree with you on the above highlight. I will follow after. That word is NEVER in the bible, why use or introduce it to explain the concept of God. We can find a word that appears in the bible like "Godhead" etc rather than "Trinity" but we should NOT also discard the bible truth of the Father being called God, Jesus being called God and the Holy Spirit being called God just because the word "Trinity" is used to explain the concept of God. This is the crusade we should engage ourselves. |
ijawkid: I'm quoting ur words....Oga Ijawkid, I salute o. I have said it in the past. The way some of our brethren teach this Trinity stuf makes everything so confusing. It is very clear from the scripture that Jesus even though the bible under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit called him God, He (Jesus) is not the Father. However, it doesn't mean we should deny the Deity of Christ. He is the God, not the Father that was manifest in the flesh, preached unto all. @ Ayomivic, Very insightful article. God bless you. The Father is different from Jesus but they are called God. Every context of "God" tells us what "God" reference is made to. I will preach it until people listen, CONTEXT IS THE KEY TO UNDERSTANDING THE BIBLE. |
frosbel: What Truth , you mean the farce of the Pagan TrinityMy dearest brother. I will NEVER continue this debate with you. Like I said in my comment above, If the bible calls the Father God, Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit God.....I don't think I have problem with that sir. If it is the word "Trinity" that doesn't appear in the bible, that's fine but for me to fight against bible truth, I will NEVER do it. |
ijawkid: Sorry o my brother... . No be small thing oo my brother. Now I understand the wahala clearly......we need to study more my brother. I will email you or you try and email me. Thanks |
ijawkid: My brother.....how far??I dey my dearest brother. Unfortunately, I am not part of this anymore. I do not have problem when the bible calls Jesus Christ, God likewise the Father and the Holy Spirit. Hence I decided not to get involve in all this debate going in circle. I have told you in the past, Trinity or no Trinity, we remain one in Christ. If the bible calls the Father, God; Jesus Christ, God and the Holy Spirit, God; why should it bother us? I take the bible as God's word and stand by that. If it is because of the word "Trinity" that is not found in the bible that you guys try to fight it, then that is your choice. I can't hold it against you. I will send you an email tonight my brother. You take care and God bless you. |
New International Version (©1984) For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth. 2 Corinthians 13:8 Fight it from night till dawn......we cannot do anything AGAINST the truth.....una well done! |
New Living Translation (©2007) For we cannot oppose the truth, but must always stand for the truth. 2 Corinthians 13:8. And the truth remains.....God is God, Jesus Christ is God and the Holy Spirit is God. This is the bible truth. |
When Adam was confronted with his sin, he immediately passed the blame onto the woman, who immediately passed the blame onto the serpent. Yet, when the Serpent (Satan) was confronted with his sin, he offered no excuse. The closer you are to truth (i.e., God) the less you can make excuses. Satan, though not right with God, does walk in the very presence of God (Job 1:6-7). Because he walks in the very presence of such great light, there is nowhere to hide the truth and thus pass the buck. If, as creatures of choice, we allow Satan to beguile us (as he did Eve - II Cor 11:3) into trying to invent some kind of happiness for ourselves apart from God, we will find ourselves (as did Adam and Eve - Gen 3) unhappy and without God. We know snakes don’t eat dust; they eat rodents, other reptiles, and insects. Skeptics and infidels, however, love to use this verse to point out the “discrepancies” of the Scriptures. “Dust thou shall eat” is simply a pun. It’s another way of saying that snakes are built low to the ground. It’s like saying, “She’s cute as a button.” We know people aren’t buttons. It’s just a play on words. What’s amazing is how much time and effort skeptics and infidels actually waste trying to prove the Scriptures inaccurately. If something is or isn’t true and it doesn’t affect eternity, why waste precious time fighting it? |
davidylan: Always good to read the bible first before making an authoritative comment such as the above.Thank you my brother davidylan. I was actually messing arround with Obadiah777 and as you can later see, we later agreed after going round in circle . I was only trying to let him see reasons on adding Grace with the truth he was speaking. Thank you, yours noted. Besides, yours is a very mature and wise way of expressing the truth. obadiah777: LMAO I APPRECIATE THIS POST. GOSHEN THE PHARISEE HAS BEEN FOUND LACKINGAnd how come Obadiah777 the Sadducee didn't refute when I spoke but had to wait for davidylan . Maybe ogogoro don too much for Sadducee Obadiah777 lately . Anyways, nothing do you. You are still my brother. Nothing should divide us irrespective of our differences. |
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:3-5 Kjv As we go further in our discourse on the Gospel of Genesis chapter one. I'll still like to remind you/us from our previous teachings that what began in Genesis was completed in Christ. How? If ANY man be in Christ, he is a new creature/creation. Today, I will teach on the highlighted from the above three verses. And God said. What in the world is God doing and what is the message of the Gospel here? There is a condition in which the earth as we know at this time lies. The earth at this time was formless, void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. The act of God therein is the act of faith in action by His word. Words mixed and spoken in faith is a transforming virtue to the new creatures in Christ. Listen to how Jesus puts it, For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Mark 11:23 Kjv Doubt and unbelief in the heart is a faith killer and poison to the "seeing" of whatever the new creature "says". The Bible says, what God said....God saw. How? It is by the force of faith - Hebrews 11:3. How does faith come or how do we get faith? It comes by the word of God and by the Spirit of God - Romans 10:17; 1 Corinthians 12:9. What God said is not void of faith. They are not empty words. The words didn't return void but accomplished its purpose because they were faith-filled words. Also, we understand from the word of God that faith without works is dead. Do you desire anything from God, speak to God in prayer of faith and take a step of faith, it shall answer for you. All you need is faith like a mustard seed, for all things are possible to him that believes. Speak your heart to God in prayer of faith, and within the time of life, there shall be a manifestation to the Glory of God. God divided the light from the darkness. The word "divided" here in KJV literally translate or mean "separate or to separate". This one of the fundamentals of the Gospel teachings. As God did separate darkness from light means darkness and light should not and cannot co-exist. As we become a new creature in Christ after being brought out of darkness into the marvellous light, God expects us to stay and remain in the light and never to mingle with all sort of unfruitful works of darkness. Listen to the Apostle wrote, Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14 Kjv Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 2 Corinthians 6:17 It saddens the heart of our God when those that had seen the light still live their lives as those still in darkness. New creatures don't live old lives. In this new kingdom, lives are lived differently and the kingdom lifestyle is different and separated unto God. After ANY man be in Christ and such is a new creature, God desires that you live according to the light shed in your heart, not according to the old man that used to live in darkness. If you used to steal, steal no more etc - living a life according to light rather than the old man of darkness, your life becomes a living epistle which is read by many and through your light-life, many Gentiles shall be drawn to the light of God. If God did separated the light from darkness, how then shall we (new creature) co-exist our light with darkness? God forbid! Howbeit, the only thing God permits us not to be separated from is the love of Christ. Nothing is suppose to separate of from the love of Christ - Romans 8:35-39. the evening and the morning were the first day. Finally for today, I'll like to end with the words of encouragement. It was the evening and the morning in the program of God that makes a day and not the other way round. Does it look like you are in the evening now? Does it look like you are going through a dark hour and period of life right now? Listen to the Psalmist, For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning. Psalm 30:5 Kjv |
SNCOQ3: *when we finish we go talk about about your sister. the babe go cause fight between Ihedinobi and his twin brother, Mr Anony too young for marriage so the reasonable choice na me.*You wan start trouble ni?..... ![]() |
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Galatians 3:24-25 Kjv So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. (NIV) You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. Galatians 5:4 (NIV) |
obadiah777: YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS ? YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN WITH HIS FACE PERMANENTLY GLUED TO THE BOOKS. THIS IS UNSCRIPTURAL. SCRIPTURE SAYS MEASURE THE TIMES DILIGENTLY BY OBSERVING YOUR SORROUNDINGS AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE WORLD. THE BEST CHRISTIAN IS A STREET SMART CHRISTIAN. YOU HAVE TO BE AS CUNNING AS A SERPENT AND AS HARMLESS AS A DOVE. THE FACT THAT YOU ARE NOT CLUED UP ON WORLD EVENTS ESPECIALLY EVENTS TO DO WITH THE CHURCH LIKE THIS ONE ? I FIND IT EXTREMELY SURPRISING. THEN AGAIN I GET THE FEELING YOU STILL SEE CHURCHES AS DENS OF SANCTITY WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE DENS OF INIQUITY. BUT TO EACH HIS OWN. ME ? I AM A STREET SMART CHRISTIAN. I GOT MY EYES IN EVERY NUKE AND CRANNY OF THIS WORLD SO I CAN MEASURE THE TIME DILIGENTLY. I DONT WANT THE LORD TO CATCH ME UNAWARES IF I ENCASE IN A VACUUM. danwo: ^^^ You both on spot! |
[quote author=Bélla3]injustice the whole house has to vote joagbaje abeg make i count tithe. I would only take one sixth. The rest is urs.lol lol . am sick... Pray for me oh. Serious fever. abi naw.. I always saw u as serious guy, this is the first time am seeing you joke.. Lol[/quote]Ohh, I crack jokes a lot. Even our brother Crazyman begin to perceive me as Obadiah777 a.k.a Buzugee. I like to crack this joke sometimes to ease tension and relax......lolz. I pray the Spirit of God strengthen you in Jesus' name. |
obadiah777: RIGHTTTT ? WHEREVER THE CARCASE IS THERE WILL THE EAGLE BE. THE SYMBOL OF AMERICA ? THE EAGLE. THE BIGGEST PREDATORY NATION ON EARTH ? AMERICA. PREDATORY NATIONS ARE SATANIC BECAUSE ONLY SATAN HAS POWER OVER THE SPIRITUALLY DEAD AND ONLY SATAN CAN SMELL OUT THE SPIRITUALLY DEAD. THATS WHY THEY KNOW WHERE TO GO AND FEED. SO YOU THINK IN THE GREATEST SATANIC NATION ON EARTH, THEY WILL ALLOW YOU TO OPEN A SPIRITUAL CHURCH ? SCRIPTURE SAYS ' WHEN SATAN CASTS OUT SATAN HIS HOUSE WILL BE DIVIDED'. AS SUCH ANY CHURCH IN AMERICA WILL BE SATANIC. IT IS WHAT IT IS. ILLUMINATI, BOULE, 501C3 CHARTER.I think you are beginning to add and dilute your good thread with sentiments. We are in the world BUT not of the world. There are still Godly Churches in America my brother. |
Delafruita: badagry people...hmmmmmWetin do them...... . Holy Ghost filled people.....na fresh fish you want abi na bush meat? Just no sell your birthright after eating the egusi/spinach soup with correct Grasscutter bushmeat..... . How are you today? |
CrazyMan: Well that would be for oga Joagbaje to decide...I heard he's very strict when it comes to money...so you wouldn't want to get on his nerves . Una don start today again abi......no better topic to discuss today, okay naw, na to dey laugh.....no wahala. This one na heavy upper cut for Joagbaje oo. Me think say na Ola and Joagbaje wan collet tithe.....how come only Joagbaje go decide weather usher Bella3 will count tithe or not.... ![]() |
[quote author=Bélla3]@crazy man. You got me rolling on the floor. Tpai@ sweeping the floor. Thats a laugh. If i am an usher, can i count the tithe and offering? PLEASEEE.. [/quote]Chei....see demonstration ooo. . Afterall, na ushers dey count tithe and offerings......I agree with you 1000000% ![]() |
obadiah777: WHAT KINDA REFERENCE YOU NEED ? THIS AINT NO JOB INTERVIEW , no be small thing dey happen underground oo. Anyway, I live "above", so might care less what goes on underneath. ![]() |
This is the best way to look at this subject, "You have heard the law that says the punishment must match the injury: 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth." Matthew 5:38 (NLT) Jesus quoting from where? Exodus 21:24; Leviticus 24:20; Deuteronomy 19:21. But I say, do not resist an evil person! If someone slaps you on the right cheek, offer the other cheek also. Matthew 5:39 NLT What in the world is Jesus doing here? You be the judge. |
obadiah777: SOME PEOPLE ARE TOO FAR GONE. SCRIPTURE SAYS IT IS EASIER FOR A CAMEL TO PASS THROUGH THE EYE OF A NEEDLE THAN FOR A RICH MAN TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD. BESIDES THE MAN IS AN ANTICHRIST. THEY WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO OWN A MEGA CHURCH IN AMERICA IF YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF THE ILLUMINATI. THE GUY IS A MEMBER OF THE BLACK ILLUMINATI CALLED BOULE.Where did you get this information from? |
ATMC: obadiah!!! If d light of d almighty's love floods ur heart, u'll find urself praying for this pple's eyes of understanding to be opened. Do u mock them cos their eyes is not 'opened' as urs, have u forgotten dt its not by ur power dt urs did.One thing Obadiah777 and "some" Christians don't understand is, we will always disagree as to some issue of our faith. I don't know Td Jakes by person and have never met him aside watching him on Television. Likewise all others mentioned in the OP's title. I don't agree with them after testing the scriptures on issues like tithe BUT it doesn't mean I hate them. I simply see it as our difference which we must disagree to agree. Besides, you (ATMC) said, ATMC: i like these pple u twisted their names. I've really learnt a lot from them, but then sometimes, i wonder how they could know so much and still have little knowledge about tithe being an old testament thing.One thing is evident. These people (in my own opinion) since they know so much, they will know that this tithe is not for Christians but I "assume" they don't just want to part with it. This is my own opinion though. On the other hand, weather and right or wrong in my assumption, one truth is sure, God had used them and still using them to touch lives in the kingdom and like you said, people like you had learnt a lot from them. Not everything learnt from the institutionalized church is right and not everything is wrong. This is where sitting and spending time with the word is necessary in order to sort and separate the truth from error. |
ATMC: i like these pple u twisted their names. I've really learnt a lot from them, but then sometimes, i wonder how they could know so much and still have little knowledge about tithe being an old testament thing. Back then in school, i had a friend who used to see jesus...one day jesus came to him and as they were discussing, jesus told him to feel free to ask him any question whatsoever...so my friend asked him if its right for a christian to pay tithe and jesus said that a christian ought not to pay tithe. Afterwards he shared it with me but then i read in a book written by one woman dt went to heaven dt jesus told her dt pple dt don't tithe r disobedient...but i chose to go with my friend cos i've studied it. But i love td jakes, leave him alone pls, he's touching lives...Whatever revelation people claim to have and IF it contradicts the scripture and cannot stand "sound doctrines", it is adviceable to throw them into the trash. When someone claims to have revelation and it contradicts the truth of the NT teachings for Christians, it makes God's word a liar. Besides, why do people think God gave a NT if He only wants us to live by the OT? I think I should open a new thread for us/all to discuss this? |
ATMC: o goshen, u have a sweet spirit, i love ur spirit...don't worry about him, he is for good, to bring out patience in u! Maybe ur reaction to his attitude could minister to him, u never can tell u know...none of us has arrived, d almighty uses some pple to get on our nerves so as to make us sensitive , to d end we don't treat others d very way we don't wanna be treatedGod bless you.....YOU ARE THE DISCIPLE WHO JESUS LOVED......If anyone ask you this, tell them you are that disciple who Jesus loved and you can prove it from the word. This is the ONLY time am coming out to confront truthislight with that my statement. It is because I don't want him to ALWAYS get away with that his attitude. I hope he reads this and bring the flesh to subjection. Truth when not mixed with Grace is dangerous, for truth and Grace came by Jesus. Thank you my dearest sister. God bless you. |
ATMC: i like these pple u twisted their names. I've really learnt a lot from them, but then sometimes, i wonder how they could know so much and still have little knowledge about tithe being an old testament thing. Back then in school, i had a friend who used to see jesus...one day jesus came to him and as they were discussing, jesus told him to feel free to ask him any question whatsoever...so my friend asked him if its right for a christian to pay tithe and jesus said that a christian ought not to pay tithe. Afterwards he shared it with me but then i read in a book written by one woman dt went to heaven dt jesus told her dt pple dt don't tithe r disobedient...but i chose to go with my friend cos i've studied it. But i love td jakes, leave him alone pls, he's touching lives... ![]() |
ATMC: u r on d same page with bro obadiah, i can't see much difference in opinionI am interpreting in the light of future event from the book of revelation where the eagles are to fed on the body of those judged as it relates to the context of Matt. 24 while Obadiah777 and others also relate/interpret it to the now where the supposedly shepherds are feeding on the dead folks......either way, I agree it is an open text that can be used in the now as well as what will happen in the future. |
ATMC: calling someone a rude christian, is it an indirect condemnation of dt person? If u don't like how he sounds, u can ignore him...Thank you.....noted. It has become a constant attitude displayed by truthislight in his attempt to communicate with others on this session. I am not the only one observing and complaining about him. I have also read his conversation on many thread with others while he displays the same attitude. I had also taken time on some thread to bring him to caution but am sorry, I had to spill it out sometime. Yours is noted anyway. I had thought of ignoring him but I don't want him always get away with his attitude. Thank you anyway. |
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. It's good to test the truth of his new theology. 


[/quote]Chei....see demonstration ooo.