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@ flourishG,

Thank God you were able to make a decision that most people will never make considering the fact for love of money. Thank God for your life. As Pastor Kun had said, just know that they that will live godly will surfer persecution....even among fellow brothers in faith. Welcome on board. May the good Lord grant you more Grace to continue in the truth.

For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth. I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth. 3 John 3-4

The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth; For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever. Grace be with you, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. 2 John 1-3

You see, in the OT, it was Pharaoh that held the people or children of God in bondage but in the NT, it was lies, heresy and traditions of men that held the children of God bound in bondage. Jesus came and said, "you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free". It was God through Moses that came by Himself to set the children of God free from the bondage of slavery in Egypt but in the NT, it is the TRUTH THAT SETS FREE. And it is not the truth you know that set you free, it is the truth you know and DO that sets you free.

crusifis: @ goshen, im waiting for your conclusions, i have learnt lots from ur piece

I stopped refuting ALL the heresies of our brother because I later found where he got it from online so I decided not to continue anymore. However, you can search this religious session and you will find many tithe threads we have discussed in the past. However, if you still want me to continue to refute, then REPLY again here and I will complete it. Thanks

Godliness with contentment, the bible says is a great gain and they that want to be rich over night will always fall into divers of temptation. This is true of the OP.

I often give out my email to my friends here on Nairaland and some other sites but I had never fallen for all these kinds of email even though I get a lot of them in my in-box everyday. Immediately I see/read anything related to money, I quickly delete it, not because am weak but because I understand what it is, I don't even care/bother reading everything to the end. Some even write for love affairs/relationship, I also delete without reading it and those email for money transaction, I know I should not reap where I didn't sow simply because am not greedy. As a Christian, I should rather work with my own hands so God can bless/increase the works of my hands, also that I can provide for myself, my family and people that might be in need.

"And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by unrighteous mammon, that when you fail, they may receive you into an everlasting home. “He who [is] faithful in [what is] least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in [what is] least is unjust also in much. "Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true [riches]? And if you have not been faithful in what is another man's, who will give you what is your own? "No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon." Vs. 9-13

Now, from verse 9, Jesus is implying the message he intend to pass across to his disciples. The verse 1-8 were not the words of Christ as if he was giving a command but they were his words as in he was telling a parable of between a master and a steward. His own teachings from the parable now implies from verse 9 with the words, “And I say to you” What is Christ saying here in verse 9 and what does he meant by “make friends for yourselves by unrighteous mammon, that when you fail, they may receive you into an everlasting home”?

The unjust steward used his master's money to buy earthly friends for his home so when he is pushed out of work, he can have a place to stay; believer are to use their master's wealth in a way that will accrue friends for eternity – by investing in the kingdom gospel that brings sinners to salvation, so that when they arrive in heaven (eternal or everlasting home), those sinners or friends will be there to welcome them. If Christ was commending this unjust steward, he will not call or refer to him as unjust/dishonest in verse 8.

Christ used this parable to illustrate that even the wicked sons of this world are shrewd enough to provide for themselves against the coming evil. Believers ought to be more shrewd because they are concerned with eternal matters, not just earthly ones and such is read in Christ's statement from 10-13. Faithful use of one's earthly wealth us repeatedly tied to the accumulation of treasure in heaven and verse 12 refers to God and believer's stewardship of his money which believers only manage as stewards.

So the master commended the unjust steward because he had dealt shrewdly. For the sons of this world are more shrewd in their generation than the sons of light. Vs.8

This is the main issue about this parable. How can the master commend an unjust steward that was ACCUSED of wasting his master’s good (vs.1) and later turned to be something of fraud/unjust/falsehood from the steward simple because of future survival. Again, it MUST BE NOTED THAT IT WAS NOT GOD OR JESUS WHO COMMENDED THE UNJUST STEWARD BUT THE MASTER. In the the KJV the word, “lord” is used as for the master of the steward and the reason for the commendation is, “because he (steward) had done wisely”: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

How are the children of this world wiser in their generation that the children of light and the example of the unjust steward is used to compare to the children of light? We have to translate the context of the word of Christ. To say that Christ was using this to teach his disciples unjust means is to pervert the words of Christ. To insinuate that riches gained by unjust means are sanctioned by Christ or that they gain one a passport to heaven if they are sanctified by God is a perversion of the words of Christ as this is contrary to verses 9-13.

So what is this steward commended for since all this transactions are secret? How the could the master had known since he cannot prove new contracts were not the old ones? So what is the master commending the steward for? It is the far seeing “worldly” wisdom of the steward to provide for himself that is commended, not the right or wrong of his act; the object he had in view NOT the means used to attain that end.

[b]For the sons of this world are more shrewd in their generation than the sons of light.[/b]

Also notice that ALL characters in this parable are unjust, unscrupulous and corrupt. Most unbelievers are wiser in the ways of the world than some believers are in the things of God and towards things of God. This is what that statement meant. It's easy for corrupt people in the world to deal with themselves than true believers and unbelievers to deal with believers. Imagine the debtors are true believers or they are sons of light, you mean they will agree to change the bills of their debts knowing that is falsehood and corruption. But they were all able to dance around because they are all unjust. So if they are unjust in their worldly ways, the children of light, believers are to be wiser in the things of God or towards the things of God for eternal planning.

I have resolved what to do, that when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses.' "So he called every one of his master's debtors to [him], and said to the first, 'How much do you owe my master?' "And he said, 'A hundred measures of oil.' So he said to him, 'Take your bill, and sit down quickly and write fifty.' "Then he said to another, 'And how much do you owe?' So he said, 'A hundred measures of wheat.' And he said to him, 'Take your bill, and write eighty. vs. 4-7

The intention of this steward for taking the steps he took was “that when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses” so he gave discount and let the debtors make a new agreement to benefit the debtors and himself so that everyone will be his friend when he is put out of office.

Then the steward said within himself, 'What shall I do? For my master is taking the stewardship away from me. I cannot dig; I am ashamed to beg. Vs.3

Since the master decided to take the stewardship away from him and this steward cannot “dig” and ashamed to “beg”, he thought of what to do and later came up with “worldly” kind of idea for survival since he doesn't want to beg neither can he “dig”.

So he called him and said to him, 'What is this I hear about you? Give an account of your stewardship, for you can no longer be steward. Vs. 2

Again, what the master heard about this steward is resource wasting and the steward was asked to give account of how he manages his master's resources or goods. This is not enough to sack this steward because it has not being investigated and confirmed that the steward actually was wasting his master's good but the master decided the steward's job will end suddenly.

He also said to His disciples: "There was a certain rich man who had a steward, and an accusation was brought to him that this man was wasting his goods. vs.1 (Nkjv)

Jesus had told a similar parable of the prodigal son just immediately before this parable, both are all about wasting resources to teach the kingdom people how to manage resources to the benefit of the kingdom of God. In the case of this steward being accused (implying malice but not necessarily falsehood or fraud) of wasting his master's goods unlike the prodigal son wasting his father's goods/resources and not a case of fraud that this steward was charged with but this steward later proved the case beyond wasting of goods to a case of fraud/falsehood simply because he wants to provide/secure his future survival after being put out of work.

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Okay my brother. I will explain those verses in simple and clear language soon. Give me some time, say 3-5 hours 'cos am busy right now. The interpretation of God's word is ONE but the application are MANY. However, we MUST be careful of personal interpretation. Thank you.

Na whao.

@ OP,

What is your pastor's interpretation? Can you post it and let's see the reason you are more confused after the bible study?

@ mabell,

I can see this thread had been created many years ago and same thread that had your answers had also been created. Have you got the answer yet? Am sure you must got the answer by now. If not, respond to this thread and let's share the answer from the word of God. Thank you.

Am always hungry for the bread of His word. Glory to God.

InesQor: I always saw the "Light" in verse 3 as an "enablement" or "framework" prior to other things existing. Like the way you turn on an electric light switch to "enable" you see and do other things.

The above is NOT true with/about God for God who created the darkness and the light sees even in the dark/darkness. He does need light to "enable" Him see and do what He wants to do. He only created that light in Gen.1:3 to prove He is the source of light and to make day/night - First day.

Daniel 2:22 He reveals deep and hidden things; he knows what lies in darkness, and light dwells with him.

Yea, the darkness hides not from you; but the night shines as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to you. Ps.139:12 Kjv

Dearest Ptolomeus,

Adam fell in the Garden. Jesus came to restore the fall of Adam but unfortunately, men are still falling today due to the following reasons:

1. Doubting the word of God.

2. Adding to and misquoting God's word.

3. Contradicting God's word.

4. Misinterpreting God's word.

5. Tempting to transgress and transgressing God's word.

Satan is transformed as angel of light and so are his ministers. Keep doing your best for the kingdom of God.

~A warm hug to you~

Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needs. Ephesians 4:28 Kjv

Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. Esv.

I have heard about this heresy from many preachers and sometimes, I shake my head in deep sorrows how the word of God is being manipulated to those who will never open their Bible and read/study for themselves. To get these wealth transfered to you as the godly, these false teachers will demand you to sow a seed or offering(s) that will make God give or transfer to you the wealth of the world/unrighteous as in the case of the children of Israel when they left Egypt. Now, Egypt is a type of the world from which believers are called into the kingdom of God - John 15:19. I had been called out of Egypt (the world) for some years now and I have never seen any wealth of the world transfered to me until I read the scripture verse in Ephesians 4:28; 1 Timothy 5:8 and am yet to see any wealth transfer verse for the NT believers, not a single verse.

The only reason being given by these false teachers that God will give the wealth of the sinners/ungodly/unrighteous to the righteous/Godly/Saints is simply for the spreading of the Gospel BUT I don't really see that in the word of God when Jesus gave the commandment to go into the world and preach the Gospel of the kingdom (correct me if am wrong). On the contrary, the believers/Godly/Righteous are inspired in the NT to work with their own hands and the reason is, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. And also, so that we (believers) can provide for our household and family - 1 Timothy 5:8. So where does this heresy of God transferring or giving the wealth of the world/ungodly to the Godly came from? And ever since these false teachings had been going on, can we have testimony of any godly who had received these wealth transfer?

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Heb 11:3 Kjv

It is easy for many of us (Christians/believers) to say ALL kinds of junks from our mouth these day BUT very few of us really know how to use our mouth/tongue/words to shape our lives and destinies. I will like to share the nuggets of the Holy Spirit on what you say to your life is what you get especially but not exclusively in prayer because prayer is NOT until you knew down to say some words to God. Words are very powerful. It can be destructive or constructive to any human being on earth. This example we see with God in the beginning of the creation account because God saw whatever He said. What are you saying to your self? What are you saying to your life? What are you saying to your children? what are you saying over your destiny?

Today, the results of what is happening in your life might be a result of what you had spoken over your life in the past. If you start saying what God had said about your over your life, this might change your life tomorrow. One of the secrets of the Patriarchs of OT is to speak over the lives of the children and pronounce blessings over their lives. Today, we work so hard to leave inheritance for our children so they can live on after we might have passed on from the earth. Am not saying leaving physical inheritance is bad but when it is not graced with God's kind of spiritual force planted over their lives that will sustain that physical inheritance, then it might be temporal. This is what we do, pronouncing and speaking words of blessings over our personal lives and that of our beloved ones in prayers.

In Gen. 1:3 we God being the first to say and in verse 4, God saw what He said. In between verse 3 and 4 is what Jesus revealed to us, the disciples in Mark 11:23 and His teaching on Prayer in Luke 11:1-2. That force between verse 3 and 4 of Gen.1 is the faith force. Faith is the opposite of doubt. Faith is calling into existence things that do not presently exist. It is the assurance of things we hoped for and evidence of things not seen in the natural eyes. It is calling things that be NOT as though they are. Jesus taught, that when you pray, SAY....meaning what you SAY and mixed with faith in your heart according to Mark 11:23, you shall HAVE (SEE) what you say with/in Faith.

Prayer is NOT an option to a Christian because Jesus said in Luke 11:2, "When" you pray. He didn't say "If" you pray. Today, God is calling us back to the prayer life. Many had become a "prey" to the devil because we had refused to "pray". The flesh had overpowered the spirit because we had left our prayer lives and given too much attention to the cares of this world. God is calling us to the revival that only begins and end with/when we pray. When we pray, we say what we believe and believe what we say and we shall see/have whatsoever we say because the effectual fervent prayer of the righteous availeth much. I pray the fresh Grace of Prayer come upon us once again for men ought to pray always and not to faint.

God bless you.

For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Mark 11:23 Kjv.

The Prophets came, they prophesied and proclaimed "Thus saith the LORD", because the LORD Spoke to them and through them. Jesus came and said, "Verily I say unto you". Today, we are living in the present and say, "In the name of Jesus". Jesus CANNOT and NEVER said, "Thus saith the LORD" because He is the LORD that the prophets spoke "Thus saith the LORD" about and is the LORD that spoke to/through the prophets. Jesus CANNOT and NEVER said, "In the name of Jesus" because He is the very LORD manifested hence He said, "Verily I say unto you". Whenever Jesus used and applied "Verily I say unto you" there is timely principle taught by the LORD Himself. These are the very principles applied during the creation account for He (Jesus) was in the beginning with God and He is God. One of those timely principles is taught by Jesus in the above verse: Say + Faith = SAW

(I will back to update and expand more)

OLAADEGBU: It is evident that Henry Morris authoured both books and if you checked that the contents are the same then you got your answer.

lolz. I think I kind of love that study bible. I will get it soon though. It's the same content and authored by Morris Henry. I also like you to get the apologetics Study Bible if you can. It's like a compliment to Henry Morris'. You will love it. Thank you.

Tie them all together and give them ALL hot lashes while they being tied to the tree, especially that one wey them dey call .........., lolz

Image123: Had to re-visit this particular sentence. iguess i've said what needs to be said concerning the other posts, and haibe is not here. i've seen this scripture misquoted in two other threads after it was misquoted here, so i should address it.
When Jesus said Judge not according to appearance but judge righteous judgement, we should at least understand the context if not the meaning. Firstly, i find it a huge pretense for Goshen to hold on to a statement of Jesus not addressed to His disciples, but to people who sought to kill Jesus. This is the very reason for which Goshen throws away matthew 23. Anyway, the verse clearly says JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT. It doesn't just say judge not according to appearance. The verse simply means DO NOT BE PARTIAL IN JUDGEMENT. It's not saying we should not look at people and judge them. Of course we should. We as christians are to ABSTAIN FROM ALL APPEARANCE OF EVIL. that's impossible without judging/discerning the appearance. What exactly does it mean by judge righteous judgement? Does it mean i should judge without appearance, a non-appearance, a disappearance? No, it means to judge without partiality.
Jesus had healed a man in John 5, and the people wanted to kill him. They were looking for Him at the feast in John 7. then Jesus told them of how they were partial with the law of Moses. they broke the Sabbath to circumcise, but were angry with Jesus for 'breaking the sabbath' to heal. Hence the Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. We shouldn't now distort this scripture to talk about people wearing trousers. It simply saying don't be partial in judgement.

So do you think you really want to talk about the meaning and interpretation of that verse as meaning we should not be partial in our judgment? Do you really wanna talk about it? Then I will show you that you are the very one being partial in your judgment. Why will the same chapter in Deut 22 tell you to do something and you hide behind the Grace that ONLY that such person will not be killed BUT the same chapter of Deut 22 says women should NOT wear what belongs to a man and you hold on to that. Who then is partial?

Am sorry, we might either kill this thread or continue with little discussion because this topic had just being dealt with. Check it out here: https://www.nairaland.com/963050/wearing-trousers-female-sin/6#11227345.

Thank you.

Brother Olaadegbu,

The Defender Study Bible and The Henry Morris Study Bible are the same. I just checked the content of both on Christianbook.com. Kindly confirm this for me please. Thanks

haibe: Nice write up but if we want to conclude that the light God created in Gen 1:3 was from him, then we must be wrong, God himself is light and therefore does not need to say "let there be light" before there will be light.(If we conclude that way). He said let there be light and there was light, that light came into existence as a result of the word God spoke and that makes it a creation of God, the light of God is not created because God himself is light and therefore doesn't need to create something that already exists, God commanded light to shine out of darkness just simply means God spoke his word to bring light when there was no light(darkness is just a word used to describe absence of light). The light God created in gen 1:3 must be a created light(maybe Sun or not) but its not the light of God. Gen 3:16 as i think must be referring to how that light that was created in gen 1;3 was made into sun and moon(to make means to form by putting parts together or combining substances), so the sun and moon were made from that light which God has created earlier, the sun and the moon was just to make distinct lights to the night and day and for signs, seasons and days, the sun and moon both originated from the light that has earlier been created in gen 1:3. Note that its possible for the sun to be darkened and that's an evidence that its not the light that was created in gen 1:3, if that light created in gen 1:3 was of God, then when there is an eclipse of the sun, there should still be a light from God shining but no its the light that was created in gen 1:3 that was made to the sun and the moon in gen 1:16 or can God's light be made into sun and moon? If yes then God wouldn't have light anymore according to the meaning of made/make i gave above.

You are NOT far from the kingdom of our dear GOD. I have thought and reasoned with the Holy Spirit that by the meaning of make/form, what is the sun, moon and stars made from? The only answer I got was from this light of Gen.1:3. And also, the purpose of the light in 1:3 was to be used to make day and night by separating them while the purpose of the lightS in 1:16 was to be for signs and season. Thanks for the contribution.

https://www.nairaland.com/943370/where-did-cain-got-wife

The above link has answers to your kweshion. Another hidden truth you might want to look into is in Gen.4:1. I will leave you to see the hidden truth in the above verse but if you can't figure it out, ask and I will tell you what's hidden in that Gen.4:1.

I can't see brother God2man on board again so we can use a thread like this to rescue Christians,lolz.

Bro. God2man, Where art thou?

Bro Olaadegbu,

Na wha for you o, lolz. Nobody says "let there be light" is NOT the FIRST word spoken by God. We are simple saying/asking, is it the first thing created by God? Abi water no dey for verse two? shey na because God didn't say "let there be water" na eim no make you understand say water water existed before light?

You can also view/read my contribution as it relates to this thread from: https://www.nairaland.com/976020/why-many-even-bible-scholars.

Thank you.

buzugee: this man, nobody see your breaklight.

lolz. Thanks bro. Being busy on weekends. How dey go dey go?

Okay my sister. I am NOT always available on weekends. You will only notice me active on Nairaland on weekdays. Okay.

I would have love to do an intensive exposition but I guess I don't have much time. I will only say the answers to both questions plus some other useful hints and leave other brethren to search it out or do more studies on it.

1. When we study the text of Genesis and the creation, there are three basic word we MUST understand namely: create, form and make/made. To create is to bring into existence OUT of NOTHING and ONLY God is the subject of create/creation as ONLY God can create. To form/made is to bring into existence from ALREADY existing material(s)/thing(s). With this in mind, we can rightly break down some concept of Genesis and the Creation.

2. The "in the beginning" of Gen 1:1 is NOT the same as the "in the beginning" of John 1:1. Same phrase but different meaning. John 1:1 is dateless past, Gen.1:1 is a dated past. John 1:1 is eternal, Gen 1:1 is earthly as it records the creation of the earth/our present world.

3. Gen 1:2 says: "And the earth was without form, and void". This means the original state the earth was created was "formless" and "void or empty" and the basic general duty of the creative account is for God to give "form" to the earth and also "fill" the emptiness. Basically, day 1-3 are the days God gave "form" to the earth and day 4-6 are days that God "filled" the earth in order to take away the "formless" and "void". Okay. We have to also use our "imagination" when referring to the beginning of creation. Why? Because the was the earth is right now is not the original way it was "first" created. So we need our "imagination" to picture the realm of God's creation in the first original state, probably to understand the text.

3b. Again, Gen 1:2 says: "and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep". Here we see darkness upon the face of the deep. Two quick observation here. What kind of darkness is it and where did it come from and what is the deep? I have read and heard many people say this darkness is as a result of Satan being thrown down to the earth and so on and forth Well, I don't think this is true! Let's allow the Bible to answer for itself. The answer is in the book of Job. Let's not forget the book of Job was also written in the time of Genesis, that before the law. Okay. Job 38:1,4,9 (But we can read from verse 1-10, for smooth understanding. However, my emphasis is on verses 1,4 and 9).

So we see from verse 9 that this darkness came as a result of thick cloud and darkness swaddling the first original state of the earth. This darkness is NOT satan, it is a dark state the earth was first created. Again, we see "upon the face of the deep". Some translations have "face" as "surface". This means the "deep" and "darkness" came together. So what is the deep? It is simple WATER. The deep is the primordial waters that was FIRST created by God which the darkness came with as a result of absence of light. If it is NOT waters, then the next sentence will NOT read: "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters". Therefore, the water was created first, otherwise, the Spirit will NOT have moved on the face of the waters. To confirm this, lets support with more bible verse.

But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 2 Peter 3:5 niv.

So what did God created first (e be like say I dey type too long stories as if i wan re-write the creation account,lolz), God created WATER first. No wonder the first miracle of Jesus was also on water. First person to walk on water because He created the water and the creation is not greater than the creator.

4. Gen 1:3 then says, "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light". What light is this? It is NOT and CANNOT be Christ for John 1:1 already told us Christ existed in eternity before the beginning and also, the light is NOT capitalized "l" which means it is NOT Christ. Very simple, since we have a primordial darkness with the water, it important for God as to want to take away this darkness. How did God do that? By "calling light to be or appear". What light is it and where did it come from? This light is from God himself and God is the source of this light and it came by His word, "let there be" for the Bible tells us that God Himself is light, 1 John 1:5 and so is His word, Psalm 119:105. So when God said, let there be light, this light "produced" or "appeared" from God Himself. James 1:17 calls God "father of lights". This is the "light" that is a source to the sun, moon and stars. God then use this light to make what He called day and night. Apostle Paul puts it clearer, comparing our "heart" to the "dark deep state of the original earth". Look at this:

For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. 2 Cor. 4:6 niv

5. On the first day God used "light" that emanated from Him to make "day and night", and on the fourth day He made "sun, moon, and the stars" to give "light" to the earth. What was the purpose of the sun and the moon and star? Was it to create day and night? No, that was already done on the first day. The sun, the moon and the stars were meant to rule the day and night that already existed. They were made: For signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years, Gen.1:14. So what we see is, God being the source of "light" can shut/open to/from the luminaries.

6. Finally, Revelation 22:5 says, "There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever".

English Standard Version says: "And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever".

The same source of light in Genesis 1:3 will be the same source manifested in the end also when there is no more light from the sun.

italo: @ Frosbel and Goshen360,

I pray you guys answer this question candidly and honestly.

Everybody 'hears' from the Holy Spirit and everybody proclaims different doctrines, so how can we know who is proclaiming the true doctrine of Christ?

Thank you for this question again. I had wanted to use this thread to teach something to my other brethren but guess the thread didn't go too far. Am not saying I know ALL but at least, we can use a thread like this to "probably" put an end to some/certain issues when we compare spiritual things with spiritual.

Back to your question and adding to the contribution of Frosbel,

Many of us claim to have the Holy Spirit but when it comes to interpreting the bible, we simple dump this Holy Spirit and start using our own understanding hence, we have so much confusion. Like Frosble said, God is NOT the author of confusion should ALL of us follow same Holy Spirit in us.

Again. Understanding biblical text is key to right biblical interpretation. The Bible says what it means and mean what it say.

Another thing is tradition. Many of us come here to argue traditions we have grown up with rather than search/find out if those traditions of men in our churches are really right and sound teachings. There are many traditions I grew up with from my early church but no longer believe them to be true and sound biblical teaching today because I have searched the scriptures by myself. I can go on and on but I will rather stop at these two main point. However, I still like to ASK God2man some basic questions as I intended at the beginning of this thread.

I love the fact that you call it "sound" doctrine. That's very good and important. Thank you. Mine are:

1. Personal Bible study
2. Spending time with the Holy Spirit for more insight
3. Researching and comparing from other Bible teachers in "sound" doctrines.

[quote author=Joel.]Why asking of darkness. Ok let me ask u where did God Come from? The word day is Sun. The bible is that book that contradict. What happen about when peter say Jesus was hang on a tree[/quote]You see yourself as you dey dodge simple kweshion and you are still insisting about the sun but the bible itself tells us where that darkness of Gen.1:2 came from and it explains the light in Gen.1:3. You claim to know or have studied about this Genesis and yet you can't tell us where the darkness of Gen.1:2 and light of Gen.1:3 comes from and yet you claim/insulted saying this words: [quote author=Joel.]GDN 1:3 Goshen if i may ask how old are u? U wan't to start another silly argument again,[/quote]Well, my day was handful today. When I wake up, God willing from tomorrow, I will give answers to the darkness in Gen.1:2; the light in 1:3 is NOT the sun at that time of Gen.1:3 and it is different from the sun because the sun was created in Gen.1:16. You may ask, how come we have day and light from day one without the light which by your knowledge is from the sun. I thought we were to sharpen ourselves as iron sharpens iron but you are proving otherwise.