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Image123: Why you dey shine teeth ehn Gosh, you dey advert close up? lol. If you have anything edifying to say go ahead, dem talk say ghost user, sorry sorry silent reader plenti for nl.

No mind that Goshen guy, na so so teeth he like to dey shine.....maybe na 'cos him teeth too white and he dey do advert ni. Anyway, I will because of you my brother Image123 answer them these "yeye" Atheists and for the sake of other believers on board. I will respond verse by verse from Gen.1, maybe tomorrow. Got hands full today already. Thanks.

~ I no wan shine teeth again, make camera no go catch me this time, lolz ~.

Joel,

Since you didn't "kind" of understand what am saying. I will try to help you out a little bit, maybe you will then be able to explain the light in Gen.1:3 and Gen.1:16. If the text says God MADE Sun, moon and stars in verse 16 and you tell us it was sun in verse 3, does that mean it was created twice of it was omitted in created record.

Now to help you out a little bit, the darkness in Gen.1:2 WHERE DID IT COME FROM BEFORE THE HOVERING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?

Can anyone please help me with the link to this message of Pastor Bakare? Thanks

@ Logic Mind,

I told you I will not give you answer because you are one of those that mock and don't believe in our God. So why come to us for an answer? I don't like to jump into Atheist's thread, that is why you won't often see me in a thread by an Atheist but you can as well be following side-by-side with this your own thread from this other thread: https://www.nairaland.com/976020/why-many-even-bible-scholars. They both are relevant.

@ Image123,

Nice explanation BUT I might spice it up very well ONLY if this "yeye" Logic Mind will STOP mocking our God and convert to Christianity and possible send me an Apostolic offerings Abi Oga Image123, we suppose start dey collect Apostolic offerings from ALL these Atheists for explaining the things of our God they often mock. What you think? Make I explain to them or let them keep searching What do you think

[quote author=Joel.]GDN 1:3 Goshen if i may ask how old are u? U wan't to start another silly argument again, The Sun is the only star that rule or give light to universe. Its the only light that the earth account to. The earth rotate before the sun 24 hours which make it a day. The earth goes around it orbit in cycle 366 days a year. Maybe u are talking of another light and if there is in the scripture, i will stop believe the bible becos even if the earth rotate and no sun it's not a day because its darkness and dateless. Maybe what is confusing u is that when it was initially created is wasn't named sun. It was after the moon and the stars that it was called Sun[/quote]This is one of "our" problem as human being and also "some" Christians like. You think you know something and when you are asked to provide explanations to what you know, you divert by giving "some kind" of polite insult. What has my age got to do with what we are discussing here and you are the one that says the light in Gen.1:3 is the sun BUT THE TEXT DIDN'T SAY THAT. Like one of my brother (Frosbel) said on another thread, this is some of the reason Atheists laugh at us sometimes.

I won't throw polite insult at you in return but all being said, you are just saying science and your knowledge but didn't prove that light in Gen.1:3 is the sun and you said am confused with the fact because it wasn't called sun in Gen.1:3. Well, I thought we could learn scriptures from ourselves and have fellowship but you seems to want to hold on to what you know. That's okay as long as you don't throw a polite insult at another person. I might give an explanation in due time without contradicting the scriptures.

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On the aspect of the translation. I have to agree with you on that.

On the aspect of Peter, am not saying Peter PRIMARILY wrote to the Jews. Read my comment that you quoted again. I said since he was primarily sent to the Jewish Christians and Paul was primarily sent to the Gentiles, which I gave a scripture to that effect. Peter mentioning it in his epistle (as though) writing to the Jewish Christian BUT NOT EXPLICITLY for the Jewish Christ. I don't know how best to explain it more but I couldn't have meant that Peter "explicitly" wrote to the Jewish Christians ALONE because I didn't read such in the Bible.

[quote author=Joel.]I ve told u before Gen 1:3-5 is the sun. Read good news bible for second creation. GEN 1-6. And in science the Sun is the powerful force or gravity that hold and govern the solar system, what is solar system if i may ask u?. Its the enegy force that control all things in universe to funtion in their orbit. The sun is life. Without the sun the planets will be froozen, and the universe will be none and void, which it were before the sun came in. A blind me will know which come first.[/quote]If you say the light in Gen 1:3 is the SUN, then what are the two great lights God created in Gen 1:16 along with the stars.

God made two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. Gen 1:16.

And why are you not bringing up some scriptures to explain that the light in Gen.1:3 is the SUN because your statement does not support Gen 1:16. And can you quote Gen.1:3,16 from the Good News Bible for us please?

Jamji: thats very lame. I dont need stories or directions, i need action.

AND SOMEONE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU THE ACTION TO DO.......That is,

[quote author=Joel.]If u want to see go to sea around 12am midnight and sleep near the waters. Then come here and tell me what u see[/quote]Isn't that "action" enough? At least that will serve as prove you can verify by yourself. Then you can believe. Smh.

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My brother, I agree with you. My main point is: The "light" of Gen.1:3 is WHAT? Sun If not then what is it?

Second, is what did God created first? Is it the "light" of Gen.1:3 or something else before that "light" of Gen.1:3. This one na simple kweshion naw, lolz The answer is simple inside the text there.

Jamji: i think this is an example of 'begging the question'. You should rather say,guy, its beyond my understanding.

[quote author=Joel.]What i mean is the empty space, the galaxy not heavens or universe. All heavens and things in universe hang on empty space. Either air or liguid or solid they hang on space. The galaxy where the universe end is void as its of total darkness no light, no air or gravity but an empty space which is viod. The light of sun cannot reach there.[/quote]Hmmm. We are getting somewhere now, lolz. I understand the space came as a result of God calling the sky that is now, out of the earth when it was originally created. This accounts for the space we have btw the sky and the earth as it is now. Yes you are right that the "below" on which the earth sits now is darkness, no light and the light of the sun cannot reach there. However, my understanding is that the earth as it is now, hangs on water - 2 Peter 3:5. Still don't know if am in line but if not, I will rather wait for you to explode on what you intend to teach.

[quote author=Joel.]u are talking nonesense[/quote] Take am easy on him please.

rhemaplus: Yes, there is a gap btw Gen 1 n 2. In isaiah or Jeremiah, (i'm nt sure wch nw), d bible says when i created heavens n earth, it wasnt creatd empty or void, so how did d earth alone becm void?

First, I will wait till you confirm the scripture verse I provided in respect of this Gap theory before you can prove this gap that existed.

rhemaplus: so how did d earth alone becm void? D likeable explanatx is dat it was d devil dat brought darknes to d earth.

The devil didn't cause the darkness on earth in Gen.1:2. The Bible speaks for himself. You are only saying the "likeable explanation is that it was the devil that brought the darkness to the earth" but you are not very sure. It wasn't the devil my brother. I will show you later from scripture how that darkness came about. We need to use scriptures to prove/answer scriptures. You can stay/follow this thread for answers to all these questions or try search it out by doing a little study.

rhemaplus: D light in 1:3 isnt Sun but a personality, dat is why it was capitalised in kjv as Day. D likely explanatx is dat d Day is Jesus or smthx 4rm Him since Jn 1 says in Him was light n d light was d life of men. God was looking 4 a person to perpetuate d light so dat d earth wil nt be void again hence d light as temporary. It was Adam God expected to later stabilise d earth.

Thnak God you agree that "light" in Gen 1:3 is NOT the sun. However, it is NOT Jesus either because NONE OF ALL THE TRANSLATIONS CAPITALIZED THE "L", it's in lower case, "l". If they capitalized it, it will distort the scriptures because this account is the creation account and Jesus pre-existed the creation account John 1:1. The light used for Jesus personified is with the upper case "L".

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For this is what the LORD says--he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited--he says: "I am the LORD, and there is no other. Isaiah 45:18 Niv

For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. Kjv

Is this the verse you meant?

@ Joel,

You and I had some fellowship in the past about Gen.1, the creation and the pre-existence of Jesus in eternity past. Yes, you are right about the existence of our own heaven which man can explore (space). I also did a study on heavens. There are three (3) heavens mentioned in the bible. I might not go into details of verses from the bible and the rest of it but I will simply mention them....if it goes with what you wish to teach.

The first heaven is where God pre-existed in the eternity past (dateless) before the beginning of Genesis creation account. It is often referred to heaven of heavens.

The second heaven is the outer space where the heavenly bodies (sun, moon and stars) are fixed.

The third heaven is our immediate sky expanded over the earth and birds explore.

You and I seems to dwell so much on Gen 1 for when a believer understand Gen 1, the rest of the Bible will unfold. This is my submission to this thread. I don't know if it fits the direction you are going or you can ask a clearer questions.

frosbel: email sent !

Thanks. Mine sent also. God bless you.

Fr0sbel: Okay , I guess the caffeine is buzzing my brain

Don't worry. You are a brother for life, lolz

[quote author=Joel.]The first light was the Sun in Gen1:3 and the secound lights in Gen 1:14 were stars and moon, To control and rule it seasons.

I told you that creation before first day or Light, cannot be counted. And yes there are alot gap in creation things before Light[/quote]Okay. You are gonna spend some time explain or bringing up another scriptures to explain that the light in Gen.1:3 is the sun because your statement does not support Gen 1:16:

God made two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

So how does sun mean light in Gen.1:3 and later two great lightS were made and ALSO the starS......making three.

Also, you need to prove the Gap theory with scriptures also. I will love to read.

Fr0sbel: When you are not reading stories on monsters and giants , read the article I posted called ' Sons of Nephilim a Hoax ' , it totally destroys this theory of yours !!

Brother Frosbel,

Kindly email me, there is something urgent I need to seek advice from you about (Not related to this topic though, it's personal). Okay. goshen360@yahoo.co.uk. Thanks.

LoJ: Hello Goshen! Thank you for your contribution.

I do not agree with you for some reasons:

1- The author of the Book of Hebrew claim to have been trained and taught by an Apostle. Paul on the other hand, claim to have been enlighted by GOD ( See (1 Corinthians 11:23; Galatians 1:12 for Paul and Hebrews 2:3 for the author).

That Heb. 2:3 is an open text which "and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him" can translate into the Apostles of Jesus or those that first bear witness during the time Jesus live on earth. Paul, of course wasn't part of the original twelves and that verse can interpret that cause if put in context.

LoJ: 2- Paul who was a former pharisee ALWAYS quoted the Torah from the original text in Hebrew (that is the Masoretic text). The Author of Hebrew quotes the Greek Old Testament (The septuagint).

Will it be okay if we say this is due to that fact that Luke translated into Greek?

LoJ: 3- Your suppositions concerning the book of galatians are just a theory and can't be proven.

How are they suppositions? But I have references for comparison, lolz

LoJ: 4- I do not see the point with 2 Peter 3: 15 for Peter is not adressing to the Jews but to "To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:"

But Peter was primarily sent to the Jews even though his letter wasn't "explicitly" to the Jews but his primary assignment was to the Jewish Christians.

LoJ: 5- etc.

Anyways, we are just exercising our minds in the word of God and having fellowship with one another. No debate, lolz

Fr0sbel: Read my article, it totally destroys this silly theory of angels mating with humans.

No wonder Atheists laugh at us.

SMH

Okay....I hear you. I understand what you are saying "in/by" the Spirit of God. But you should have sent me an email naw

Fr0sbel: [size=14pt]1 Timothy 1:4 nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.[/size]

So what am doing doesn't teach or edify God's people Why are you in a haste to jump to conclusion You and I have been studying some stuffs lately right?

@ Joel,

I remembered we both dealt with some part of Genesis in the past. If am not mistaken, I think it's part of Gen.1 that we both dealt with then, I can't remember that thread. It was created by you.

First, what do you believe the "light" in Gen. 1:3 to mean/be?

Second, is the "light" in Gen.1:3 the same with light in Gen 1:14-19?

Third, Did God created light in Gen.1:3 FIRST? As in, is it true from what many believed and taught even bible scholars that God created light first?

Four, does gap exist before creation account that is, Gen.1:1-2 and Gen.1:3 - End of creation account. This is what this thread is about to unfold. Your contribution will be appreciated. We LIMIT it to the creation account provided to us, what did God created FIRST and did Gap exist between the creation account?

Una just dey read and no comment.....abi una no dey read/study bible ni?

frosbel: Angels were created by GOD - Fact 1

God only send his loyal Angels on assignment - Fact 2

But I will have to wonder, why you hold on to this notion of humans and angels, despite the scientific and biblical evidence to the contrary.

What scientific prove are you talking about when that world was completely destroyed and such angels held bound for judgment? Where is the evidence for scientific prove? Do we even know the "kinds" of angels that did it or not? So if angels that you agreed are spirits and we are told they "rebelled and left where they were supposed to be and sinned" why don't you question yourself when you study what their sin was? And you don't believe they can do anything possible at their sin, rebellious? Am not holding on to this but just proving all things, you can see I first supported you when this thread began but my further study "kind of" proved otherwise. If they bible says it happened then in the world that then was, what is my business not to believe it as you said, it is not a salvation issue. As a matter of fact, there are three interpretations to this myth. Maybe God will enlighten us when we get to heaven or the word is sufficient enough for us to search it out.

frosbel: You are totally out of order !!
1. The angels were angels of GOD.
2. They appeared as men
3. After their assignment they went back to heaven
4. They were in substance spirits
5. They did not mate with women , otherwise we would have been told so

Stop twisting scripture.

Angels and humans cannot , do not , will not mate.

Relax God is on control , so you are not likely to see any monsters soon.

So the Angels that did so were created by devil and NOT created by God? Though they rebelled but still created by God.

OLAADEGBU: What God did through the Holy Spirit was a direct creation of the human body for our Lord Jesus Christ. Humans can have demonic spirit husbands or spirit wives and even have demonic spirit children but these children are not visible in the physical realm.

We are gonna have some hard time here now.....our consideration to this question is the fact that both evil and holy are SPIRIT(S). How come one was able to conceive human (Mary) and the others can't conceive human and they are both spirit.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen. 1:1-3 Kjv

Some even say/believe/teach that a "Gap Theory" existed between Gen.1:1-2 and Gen.1:3-End of Creation. What saith the scriptures in both cases? Is it true that God created the light first and did gap exist between Gen.1:1-2 and Gen.1:3-End of God's creation?

Na wha for brother Frosbel and buzugee o. I didn't quote that scripture out of context. In fact, it's supports you. Am saying, this teaching is "hard" to digest. I want to listen/reason in the Holy Ghost with my brother Frosbel but it's this is a heavy stuff for me at this time. Maybe it's because my brain is too full and thinking too many things "personally" at this moment. I will rather leave it as it is for now until I get more perspectives. However, I do not preach my "own" Gospel and I will rather not raise the "sword of the spirit" against my brother at this time.

Shalom.

Okay, Okay.....angels are spirit(s) right!

Will brother Frosbel be willing to teach us how the Spirit, though holy in this case conceived Virgin Mary?

I think this might as well buttress some points due to the fact that we are talking about "spirit and flesh" here.

Brother Frosbel, over to you.

Okay, here is my presentation that Apostle Paul wrote the book of Hebrews

1. The thought, reasoning and skilled exposition is Paul's

2. Difference in this writing and style is due to the fact he is NOW writing to the Jews as a Jew and NOT to the Gentiles he was primarily sent to minister to in as other epistles - Galatians 2:7.

3. Change and difference in writing is also by the wisdom of God which Apostle Peter confirmed. 2 Peter 3:15-16.

4. Peter confirmed that fact that Paul wrote an epistle to the Jews. 2 Peter 3:15-16

5. The reason for leaving out his name is first by wisdom as referenced in 2 Peter 3:15-16 and also, so that it would be read and received more by the Jews who hated him and would not want to listen to anything he had to say. Luke translated it into Greek, hence it is similar to Acts in expression. (culled from The Ante-Nicene Fathers. Vol.2, pg 579)

6. In the oldest MSS, the epistle follows Galatians with the title "To The Hebrews", indicating that it was part of the Galatians letter. It could therefore follow that the authorship in Gal.1:1 applies to both books. This goes further to explain why Paul speaks of Galatians as a large letter - Gal.6:11.

7. Both the book of Galatians and Hebrews argue on the abolishment of the Old covenant.

8. Both anticipate the visit of the writer - Gal.4:20; Heb.13:19.

9. Paul was the ONLY NT writer who requested prayer for himself - 2 Thess.3:1; Heb.13:18

10. Many exhortations parallels with that of Paul's - Compare: Heb.12:3 with Gal.6:9; Heb.12:14 with Rom.12:18; Heb.13:1-3 with Ehp.5:2-4; Heb.13:16 with Phil.4:18; Heb.5:12 with 1 Cor.3:2; Heb.10:1 with Col.2:17.

11. Apostle Paul was the ONLY NT writer who wrote from prison and expected release - Compare: Heb.13:19,23 with Phil.1:7-8,13,26, 2:23-24.

12. No other NT writer in their epistles mentions Timothy even as it relates to imprisonment or bond except Paul. Also, Paul mentions Timothy and always call him "brother". Compare: Heb.13:23 with 2 Cor.1:1; Col.1:1; 1 Thes.3:2; Philemon 1:1.

"......This is what our beloved brother Paul [Frosbel] also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him--speaking of these things in all of his letters[Thread/Article/Message]. Some of his comments are hard to understand....." 2 Peter 3:15-16 NLT