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Splinz:
Oh yes. Don't you know true Christians keeps it together with the rest of the law?

Oh really. Now I see.

Splinz:
The more you try to uphold your delusion, the more blunders you make. I tell you, you have a long way to go.

I see you running again in desperation, making another fallacious claim that Jesus gave a new law which is LOVE. Really

Okay. Lets see what the Bible has to say about love.

Paul has this to say: "Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law" (Romans 13:10) And John: "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3). Hello! Did you hear that- that we keep His commandments? Again, these two definitions are overarching.

So you see, love is also keeping of the LAW!

cc: Goshen360

PS: You keep on making the fallacious claims that the LAW was to be until Christ supposedly "nailed it to the cross". But looking at the Sabbath law for instance, we see that the Sabbath is a SIGN between God and His people FOREVER (See Exodus 31:17). What! Did God forgot that He will do away with this law? No, let God be true and every man a liar (Romans 3:4).

So do you keep the Sabbath?

Ubenedictus:
The whole old convenant that been given it true meaning in the new. The laws, ordinances and commandments of the old covenant have lost the judicial power.

Thank you!

Splinz:


1 - Up there, you have rendered the teachings of Jesus null and void, ridiculously claiming He taught those things while He was under the Old dispensation (I wish I could laugh off this naivety. But no, it's really heartbreaking). To you, all what He taught then was only active for as long as He was on earth. Having died, He nullified those things, of course, this understanding is only according to what is in your head.


2 - This is because the same Jesus you claimed did away with His holy, righteous and good LAW, in His revelation to apostle John further uphold as did Paul and other faithfuls that indeed, true Christians are commandment keepers. Here: "Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus" (Rev. 12:17).

Hmm. When you are ready to tie up Paul's hard sayings together harmoniously, call my attention. Till then, I can only sit back and watch you twist these things to your own destruction.

cc: Goshen360.

I have broken your comments into 2:

1 - I have not rendered the teachings of Jesus null and void. You are the one that needs to calm down, relax and understand what I wrote. Okay lemme put it in another way:

In Luke 18, a man came to Jesus while he was alive, and asking what must he do to have ETERNAL LIFE? Jesus response was....Keep the 10 commandment!

In Acts 16:30 - 31, The SAME question was asked? But two different answers. Why do we have 2 answers on having eternal life or salvation? Which one do you do today to be saved? Both scriptures cant be wrong. In the case of Jesus....He used the 10 commandments to bring that man to FAITH IN THE LORD JESUS which is what I wrote that the law is used for - to bring people to Christ as their Saviour when they see they cannot keep the whole law. You have to understand the ministry of Christ when he was alive - He used the law to bury people of that time into a harder law so they will see the need for him who has come as a savior.

2 - Every time you see the word commandments you simply or quickly think its talking about the 10 commandments? This is a wrong way of rightly dividing the word of truth. Now, lets see what commandment Christ was talking in the book of revelation. For John to have referenced that commandment, it will me Christ must have given such commandments:

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. - John 13:34.

Look, it might look like he's telling you to love one another JUST AS it was said in the 10 commandments. But if it is so true that it just as the love in the 10 commandment, he won't have called it A NEW COMMANDMENT. The love of the 10 commandment is love so that God can love you back, that is, a give and take kind of love. But this NEW commandment is based on the fact THAT HE, CHRIST FIRST LOVED US and so, out of the love of Christ showered on us, we can then release love to others. This is NOT a give-and-take kind of love.

And this is his commandment: We must believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us. 1 John 3:23

You see, the commandment that John was referring to that Christ said is NOT the 10 commandment if we let scriptures interpret scriptures.

Splinz:


[s]I have been telling you to know who you're dealing with here. Do not think you can cheery-picked Scriptures and terribly twist them to suit your preconceived ideas, and hope that I'd be a part of it. From my own background, all Scriptures must be in congruence.
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Looking at Romans 3 down, one may be tempted to think that Paul is condemning and ruling out the LAW entirely. But just at the end of this chapter, he drops the bombshell: "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law". Here, two words stood out: NULLIFY AND UPHOLD. Paul said he is not nullifying the law but rather upholding it. Is it really that difficult to understand? Are you sincerely ignorance of these things or simply being mischievous?

cc: Goshen360.

There is no need for insult and passing unwarranted words.

1. I expected you to follow the discussion line by line or respond to what I said paragraph by paragraph but I can understand. Maybe that's your own way of dealing with issues and/or writing. Now, what is Paul the Apostle saying in Romans 3 verse 31?

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

How do establish the law? By keeping it? How do we not make the law void through faith? By keeping it? If we are to establish and not void the law by keeping it. Then Paul by the Spirit will be wrong when he said:

The law IS NOT of faith.....Galatians 3:12.

He will also be wrong when he said:

AFTER that faith has come, we no longer need the law....Galatians 3:25

And will also be wrong when he said:

FREE from the law.....Romans 7:6.

Now, to understand Romans 3:31, Lets go up a little bit and read it in context:

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

A study into the statement of verse 31 shows that, the law is being establish AS A TOOL TO BRING PEOPLE TO CHRIST AND TO REVEAL THE GUILT OF MAN SHOWING THEM THAT WE HAVE ALL SINNED AND THEY NEED A SAVIOR.

You’ll find the context has got nothing to do with US BELIEVERS having to continue in the law but everything to do with using the law AS A TOOL to lead people OF THE WORLD towards faith in Christ. The chapter speaks TO THOSE WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW OR THE LOST BUT BELIEVERS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW - vs 19. The chapter is showing that the whole world is unrighteous and under the law of God whether they realize it or not, and that the law is NEEDED TO BRING THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN THAT THEY ARE SINNERS so that people will turn to Christ in faith.

Once we come into faith we are released from the law (Galatians 3:23-25).

“Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”

Galatians 3: 24, 25 “Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.”

Once we came to Christ we were released from the law. It was put in charge to lead people to Christ by dismantling their self-righteousness. It is on this ground and reason that we uphold and establish the law to the lost world – it reveals to people that they need Christ and that they are not righteous before God. Basically we use it to bring the knowledge of sin to the self-righteous.

BUT to US BELIEVERS, the same chapter:

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Paul is not contradicting himself. It is us the readers complicating issues.

truthislight:
The above four questions sure deserves answers.

Come on @Goshen360

Hey brother!

Longest time. This one wey you call me like this, you wan give me big assignment be this o....lol.

Anyway, we, as students of the word have to find an explanation to scriptures flying around in the thread. Its a lots of work to be done. I have seen and read scriptures quoted by Frosbel but how do we explain scriptures like:

New Living Translation
I passed on to you what was most important and what had also been passed on to me. Christ died for our sins, just as the Scriptures said.
1 Corinthians 15:3

Hebrews 9:28
so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.

It's so busy for me because I work 2 jobs and I'm try hard to find time to come here and explain things in details. However, I'll see what I will do and go over the thread from beginning.

@ Splinz,

We are still on the #1 FACTS of the TWO things I said I will establish from scriptures o.

Goshen360:
I'll like to do a step by step teaching to the readers and to FIRST establish from scriptures these TWO FACTS:

1. The scripture says, the 10 commandments are THE OLD COVENANT
2. The 10 commandments are part or inclusive of the law(s) of Moses

Okay!

Now......to the #2: That, the 10 commandments IS THE law AND\OR that IT IS PART AND INCLUSIVE OF THE LAW as a whole given to Moses. I will not sweat much here because what I wanted to show in the number 2 FACTS, my brother Ayoku had done the same so I will just quote him. So when you or other say, the LAW ABOLISHED DOESN'T INCLUDE THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, look at scriptures flying in your face. Be calm and read this:

ayoku777:
That's not true, the ten commandments too were done away with.

Read this;

2Cor 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

Question! Which part of the law was written and engraved in stones? The ceremonial laws or the ten commandments? Of course, it's the ten commandments.

So according to this scripture, the ten commandments is the ministration of death and it was to be done away with. And it has been done away with.

2Cor 3:11 For if THAT WHICH IS DONE AWAY was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

The ministration of death, written and engraved in stones (the ten commandments) has been done away with -according to the scriptures.

This scripture should be enough. But for emphasis let me use the witness of another scripture.

Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

According to these scriptures, we are dead to the law and we delivered from the law.

Question! Which law are we dead to and delivered from? The ceremonial laws or the ten commandments? Which law was the writer referring to?

The next verse (verse 7) answers that question.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The law that the writer is talking about in this chapter is the law under which we have "Thou shalt not covet."

Under which law do we have "Thou shalt not covet."? Under the ceremonial laws or the ten commandments? Of course, the ten commandments.

So according to the scriptures again, the laws we are now dead to and no more under includes the ten commandments. Jesus delivered us from both ceremonial and the ten.

Infact when the scriptures talk about the Law under the new covenant, it is referring to both the ceremonial laws and the ten commandments.

Eph 2:15 Having ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

ISV puts it more explicitly;

Eph 2:15 He rendered the Law inoperative, ALONG WITH ITS COMMANDMENTS AND REGULATIONS, thus creating in himself one new humanity from the two, thereby making peace,

You see. Both the ceremonial laws and the ten commandments were done away with.

If you are still having difficulty grasping the conflict between the Law and the Spirit; read the post I made earlier on this thread or just click this link -

https://www.nairaland.com/2775627/purpose-law

Shalom

Splinz:
Very poor attempt as usual. That the Ten Commandment was given in the Old Testament does not in anyway nullify its validity in the New Testament.

Have you not seen how Jesus even went further in strenthening the Ten Commandment in the New Testament? What about the apostles? I keep on asking you why a Law described as "holy, righteous and good" should be abolished. Of course, you're turning a blind eye to it!

When I say you do not know what was abolished in the Old Testament, it is indeed a true saying. When you say the Ten Commandment was part of the Old Covenant and the old is done away, do you also mean the whole of Old Testament writings are abolished too

I do not agree with you not just because I want to disagree, but because the Scriptures itself disagrees as well!

okay, I need you to calm down and flow with the discussion. One step at a time. Okay. I will answer your questions too. Let's have a recap:

1 - I said I will establish 2 things: That the 10 IS THE old covenant AND/OR that the 10 commandments IS PART OF PART OF the old covenant.....meaning its inclusive or included in the old covenant........NOT THAT

Splinz:
Very poor attempt as usual. That the Ten Commandment was given in the Old Testament does not in anyway nullify its validity in the New Testament.

What I showed you from scriptures, I FIRST need you to AGREE - Yes or NO.

# 2

Splinz:
a - Have you not seen how Jesus even went further in strenthening the Ten Commandment in the New Testament?

b - What about the apostles? I keep on asking you why a Law described as "holy, righteous and good" should be abolished. Of course, you're turning a blind eye to it

Now, lets straighten some issues here in your above ^ ^ ^ statement:

a. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ARE NOT the New Testament. Those books were written after Christ dies BUT the EVENTS recorded happened DURING the life of Christ. So, Jesus strengthening the 10 commandments under the 4 gospels is the truth that he himself is still under the OLD COVENANT which is the LAW DISPENSATION. Galatians 4:4.

Also, Jesus strengthening the 10 commandment is to USE THESE LAWS, the 10 inclusive TO BURY THE PEOPLE IN THE LAW, TO BE DEAD TO THE LAW AND MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO DO SO THE PEOPLE WILL RECOGNIZE HIM AS THE SAVIOUR THEY NEED, AND COME TO THE SAVIOUR, CHRIST. So, you see Jesus saying, things like, IF YOU want to HAVE ETERNAL LIFE....keep the commandments, that is the 10 because we know by the context he was talking about the 10. But the rich young ruler said he's being keeping it since his childhood. Well, how come he still didn't have eternal life? Jesus THEREAFTER introduce the man to HIMSELF.

Today, in order for YOU to have ETERNAL life. You are not told to keep the 10 commandments BUT believe in the Christ.



b - [/b] What about the apostles? I keep on asking you why a Law described as "holy, righteous and good" should be abolished. Of course, you're turning a blind eye to it[/quote]The problem here word study. You see or read the word "Holy" you probably thing is means "sinlessness"?, you read righteous and good and interpret it to mean God's righteousness. The law being holy, YES but it doesn't make YOU holy, it is righteous BUT it doesn't make YOU righteous. It is good BUT it doesn't make you good. So what does that verse mean IN CONTEXT......Start from verse 1 of Romans 7. He was SPEAKING To the people that OF THE LAW. So the law is holy to them so as to SET THEM APART, MAKE THEM RIGHTEOUS AND GOOD......in the EYES of God UNTIL the time of the coming of Christ.

New Living Translation
Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith. And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian.
Galatians 3: 24 - 25

But Paul the Apostle went further to make an outstanding statement by the Spirit that, the strength of sin IS THE law.

@ Splinz,

Do you agree to the above ^ ^ ^ or disagree to the above that the 10 commandments are part of the old covenant? Let's take it step by step.

I'll like to do a step by step teaching to the readers and to FIRST establish from scriptures these TWO FACTS:

1. The scripture says, the 10 commandments are THE OLD COVENANT
2. The 10 commandments are part or inclusive of the law(s) of Moses

After showing these 2 facts, we can then drive home our point from scriptures showing the LAW IS ABOLISHED, including the 10 and the rest of the 603.

New International Version
Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets[u] the words of the covenant--the Ten Commandments.[/u]

New Living Translation
Moses remained there on the mountain with the LORD forty days and forty nights. In all that time he ate no bread and drank no water. And the LORD wrote the terms of the covenant--the Ten Commandments--on the stone tablets.

English Standard Version
So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

New American Standard Bible
So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

King James Bible
And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Exodus 34:28

Exodus 31:16-18 says the sabbath too is part of the covenant.

Deuteronomy 4:13
"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Deuteronomy 9:9
"When I went up to the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant which the LORD had made with you, then I remained on the mountain forty days and nights; I neither ate bread nor drank water.

Here in the above scriptures, it is clear the the 10 commandments IS INCLUDED AS A WHOLE NOT SEPARATED from the old covenant. Law keepers claim that the 10 commandments are not the old covenant They also claim that the old covenant that was abolished was not the Ten Commandments but are the Law of Moses; meaning the civil/ceremonial only. There is no Biblical support for this position. The Bible clearly teaches that the Sabbath was part of the OLD covenant and that the 10 commandments is the old covenant or part of the old covenant.

Are the 10 different from the rest of the Law of Moses or were they inclusive? This is the critical issue that needs to be seen so that one can know what is of the old covenant, and to know what it is and what is not of the New Covenant, If confused about this you will not understand what is to be put aside or carried over to practice in the New Testament covenant.

to be continue

@ ichuka,

Longest time, lemme see if I have some fun with this our brother before I give up on him....

^ ^ ^

I think or perceive you're going to be difficult to discuss the scriptures with but I'll try hold my composition. I raised few issues in response to your questions but you went ahead mixing up too many things together.

Anyway, I'll try do justice to this later. I'll try do a step by step teaching from scriptures, establishing what the law (which was not given to the Gentile Christians in the first place) and what it contains and show how the scriptures nullified and abolished the whole LAW leaving us with the Spirit to lead, guide and instruct us in Christ.

Splinz:
I know when and how to use a CONCORDANCE. And so you know, the concordance does not carry equal authority like the revealed word- the Bible.

The Bible definition of SIN is found in 1 John 3:4, and this definition is overarching. So, please kindly note that no other definition is acceptable by me.

The Holy Spirit works through your MIND to understand what's written and what's written has to be STUDIED to be understood. You continue to read into the scriptures thinking it's the revealed word. Revealed word is a product of STUDY PLUS SPIRIT OF GOD.

2. You keep saying 1 John 3:4 defined sin BUT:

a, what of Romans 14 v 23

b, Romans 4 v 15 and 5 v 13.....what happens when you don't have a given law? Will it still be said you sinned and where there's no law, what guides you?

Splinz:

These are the kind of stunts you pull when you're discussing with kids. Your lame wriggling of words bears a semblance of the warning apostle Paul gave in Ephesians 5:6; "Let no one deceive you with empty words...".

Bro, I am not here to learn verbs or nouns, for if I had wanted to learn them, I have my English textbooks with me. So, if we must converse, let us learn of the Scriptures in its simplest and purest form, not playing around with words.

PS: I can't remember cracking jokes here. So do well to comport yourself by refraining from shining your teeth. Else, I may simply conclude that you're a jester.

It's okay to laugh but not that we're cracking jokes. That's fine!

2. You see the problem is, you and the likes want to quote scriptures religiously but I'm expounding scriptures to you. Whatever I say here is subject to biblical STUDY MATERIALS. That's what you don't want to admit but I'm not going to waste time with you if we're not going to reason together and learn like we should.

I sit here telling you, a single word such as SIN can mean AND DO MEAN TWO DIFFERENT THINGS and you wanna sit and argue INSTEAD OF YOU PICK A CONCORDANCE which tells you how words are used so you don't be reading INTO the scriptures all your life thinking you're taught right.

Anyway, I'll do justice to this topic later when I get on my computer. Ok.

Jesus DIED for our SINS. The ACTS of sin and the nature of sin BUTS your sin ACTS has consequences.

I need to open scriptures and show you people things but I'm at work and trying to explain things as quickly as I can to you guys. You guys leave your comments and I'll attend them all later.

analice107:
Someone stole Goshen's moniker.

No, it's me Goshen360. Let's take it gently. If I say something and you can't digest it....ask questions and I'll explain better.

analice107:
Wait!!!! Is this the same Goshen i knew or someone is using his moniker. I doubt it. This can't be the same Goshen.

The Goshen i know doesn't reason as mundane as this.

What?, the love you have for God is the same kind of love you have for your wife?

Identity theft!!!!, this is not Goshen.

Goshen usurper, do you mean, Jesus taught something different while he was alive and everything changed as he died and resurrected?

Nobody stole my moniker. I'm not saying Jesus taught something different. You have to put Jesus teaching in proper context and understand what he was doing then.....he was mediating for the new covenant which is to come AFTER his death.

Splinz:
Why don't we study it together? Where are your proofs that the Ten Commandment is no longer binding

I'll be glad if we study together. God bless you

Splinz:
What a joke! Is this the understanding you gained from studying your own Bible or you were taught by your pastor

I don't know where you get your own definition of SIN from, because the Bible defined sin as the "transgression/breaking of the law" (1 John 3:4).

And so in the light of the Scriptures, your own definition is nothing but human invention, and remain as such.

So is that the ONLY definition of the word SIN in the bible? You just mentioned ONE out of the way sin was used in the bible. Also note, WHATSOEVER is not of faith IS SIN. So, when you doubt you sin (Verb) right?

How about the NOUN sin? Which is the SIN NATURE or PERSON.....he who knew NO SIN became SIN for us, so we can become the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. Tell me that SIN is a verb?

Shall we continue in SIN that Grace may abound? Certainly not. How can we who are DEAD TO SIN live therein anymore.....again, tell me if that's a verb or a noun. If you think it's a verb, how come you still sin IF YOU'RE DEAD TO SIN....abi you no sin yesterday?

LLSAINT:
If your assertion is completely true, My question is; on what basis or foundation is the Perfect Law of Liberty?2. How then do you now define sin? What is the fundemental essence of the Law of the Spirit in Christ? That you are a son of somebody does not mean the somebody is abolished. What I mean in the literal sense is that You as a person is the fulfilment/perfection/product of two persons.

Perfect law of liberty is on the foundation of the Spirit of God.

Sin is missing the mark by an action. You see the problem is when you see the word "sin" in the bible, many of you only think it's a verb. Go and study, sin is also a noun....as in the nature or sin nature or nature of sin.

Essence of the law of the Spirit, to worship the Father without any sense of guilt in our hearts.

@ Splinz, I'll respond to that your long writeup from my computer not from my phone as I'm doing now.

analice107:
No Goshen that's not true.

The Ten commands still holds firmly in the New covenant.

The Master divided the Ten Commands into 2.

The Ten Commandments are all about LOVE. Half is love for God and half love for fellow man.

What is Jesus central message? isn't it love?
For for God, and love for one another.

Jesus was still under the law and old covenant when he was teaching in the 4 gospels. Look carefully, you have to understand THE MINISTRY OF JESUS before he died to be able to rightly divide the word of truth.

Jesus didn't tell you to love God, he said love God with the WHOLE of your heart. Well, here's the problem...if I love God with the WHOLE of my heart, what is left for me to love my wife and others with?

analice107:
So, as a New covenant practitioner you are not obligated to Love the Lord Your God abi?

You can now steal from your neighbour?

You can now kill, commit fornication and adultery, You can lie as you like, bear false witness and malign the name of God right?

You can now worship other gods and make all kinds of images for worship right?

Lol....you people are throwing too many questions at me at the same time but lemme give short and straight forward answers to your questions:

You don't need the 10 commandments to tell you to love your God before you love. Under the new covenant, you can't love God because the 10 commandments told you to, you love because the the of God is put in you and you express it out to God and to your neighbors.

2. You love not because you as human is capable of loving but because he, God FIRST LOVED YOU.

3. You don't need 10 commandments to know that killing is bad. You don't need the 10 commandments to tell you fornication, adultery, lying, bearing false witness etc is bad, where was 10 commandments before Joseph ran away from Potipher wife and didn't commit fornication? How? The Spirit of God teach you and tells you it's not good NOT the 10 commandments.

Under the new covenant and BEFORE the law, it is the REIGN OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

Splinz:
Oh brother, what a delusion! SMH

Delusion? U being STUDYING or READING your bible or JUST LISTENING TO YOUR PASTOR? Lord help us!

LLSAINT:
Kindly understand that there is a huge difference between to abolish and to fulfil. No Commandment was abolished, they were only fulfilled. The fulfilment of the Commandment was to make entrance the dominance of the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus

I understand....the law is a LEGAL system....it contains the 10 commandments, the ordinance, the sacrifices, etc....the whole LAW.......including the 10 commandments IS ABOLISHED under the new covenant.

blueAgent:
I laugh,if so then define Sin for me?

Sin is defined as MISSING THE MARK.....which is a verb AND.........a NATURE......depending on the scripture you quoting. In other words, sin IS a verb and a noun.

The simple answer to the OP is YES! The new covenant abolished 10 commandments.

soulpeppersoup:
He didn't tell me that. Drawing your conclusion from one source is a sure way to fail. Widen your view by studying more people not one person.

Thank you sir!

Interesting!

soulpeppersoup:
This is the tithe quote, no need going through the post.

I only quote one pastor for now in the entire world. All my scriptural interpretations are either from that pastor or divinely inspired.

I quote that pastor because God told me to listen to that man, if not I will not try it.

If you are born again you have the spirit of God. Engage him for your own personal revelation. You can't rely on another man's light (revelation) to get to your own destination.

Maybe it's the Holy Spirit telling you I'm relying on another man's revelation....I teach scripture not another man's revelation but not to say I don't listen to other men of God though.