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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and Pastor Benny Hinn reaches out to India with prayers by Goshen360(m): 5:39am On Jan 06, 2014

Gombs: U must be blind or dyslexic or both.....uv been answered above

Your deception is noted. Hold lemme pull it out!

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and Pastor Benny Hinn reaches out to India with prayers by Goshen360(m): 5:32am On Jan 06, 2014

Gombs: Where did he call Paul a robber?
2 Corinthians 11v8

It turns out that the other churches paid my way so that you could have a free ride.

New Living Translation
I "robbed" other churches by accepting their contributions so I could serve you at no cost.

Like bidam asked, what did you think Paul meant? Of course Paul knew spreading the gospel was expensive.

Instead of u to be happy the word and gospel is going to India, u are here castigating. And u think that u are wiser that God to know they are actually merchandising the gospel. It is not compulsory, those who'd wanna be there are not complaining, but you dey here dey drink panadol for another man headache.

Those who go to seminary school pay monies, why didn't you call it merchandising the gospel?
Those who go for Bible seminar/school, why didn't you call it merchandising?

I wonder if you are actually born again and spirit filled. U would want it to be that every man attending the conference should buy their foods themselves, what about resource materials and what about the cost of running the conference. Even at that, you'd still say it was badly organized. I don't know why you think those pastors are out there in India to make monies...

Luke 6v45
New International Version
A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

You have evil in ur heart!
U didn't rejoice for the work going on in India, u are here bothered about the money to be spent!

Stop this your ranting and address what I queried. On what scriptural ground do ministers have to charge registration\reservation for seat FEES for Christians BEFORE they can attend A PRAYER CONFERENCE?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Doctrine Of Imputed Righteousness by Goshen360(m): 5:28am On Jan 06, 2014

Stumbled on this thread. A quick reading, it was a blessing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by Goshen360(m): 5:11am On Jan 06, 2014

Joagbaje: Spot on. It's only anititithers who creat such propaganda . "IF YOU DONT TITHE YOU WILL END UP IN HELL FIRE" etc .

Joagbaje said this on the main discussion thread. Do we need to quote the Almighty Pastor Christ tithe statement to Joagbaje to validate or deny Pastor Chris statement of using fear to teach tithe to Christians even though same Joagbaje validating Pastor Chris teaching that the Law was abolished?

Also, do we need to quote to Joagbaje what ~~Daddy G.O~~ Adeboye said using fear and threat to teach\collect tithe from the poor? Again, what we see and witness here is,

Pastor Kun: [size=15pt]It is impossible to be a tithe preacher and be honest, the two just don't mix.[/size]

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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and Pastor Benny Hinn reaches out to India with prayers by Goshen360(m): 4:55am On Jan 06, 2014

Bidam: And where did my statement said Paul was a robber? I cant quote the exact scripture cos i am on phone..You can google it..Are you not our rabbi on this forum

1. You came into the thread saying this,

Bidam: Why do you keep acting out an hypocritical script? Are you against a prayer and an evangelistic tour?
If you really are called to be an apostle of Christ.You wouldn't condemn one of your own..Rather you would pray for the success of this mission so the banner of Jesus will be revealed the more in india.
This is 2014..I beg you stop being a toy and tool in the hands of satan.

You implied I was against the program instead of addressing what I was actually against - that is, registration and reservation fees.

And then, I said\asked you this,

Goshen360: Did you read what was my first post and did you read the threat that was issued against me? You, as my brother, can you issue such threats even when we disagree?
What exactly was I against? The program?

And then, you came up with this,

Bidam: i read your initial post quite well [b]and i see nothing wrong in people paying a token to register for an outreach. Did you see them telling you the payment was compulsory? Wats wrong in giving free will offerings,cash and donations to propagate the gospel?[/b]I guess this is where we will always disagree and debate on..SMH!

Here, you didn't see anything wrong in people PAYING a token TO REGISTER FOR AN OUTREACH, in this case a Christian meeting\conference. On the other hand, you switch to free will offerings, cash and donations AS IF IT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WILL BE COLLECTED DURING THE PROGRAMME but you know we're talking about FEES that is collected in disguise of registration\reservation fee IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE OR BEFORE ONE CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM - two different things.

And then I challenged you to produce a scripture on which registration\reservation fees could be charged for Christian conferences\meetings,

Goshen360: Give us biblical ground to charge FEES for Christian meetings or conference, either BY REGISTRATION OR SEAT RESERVATION. A big you no see flyers ni?

And you came up with this,

Bidam: Good..stop mirepresenting my post by using the word CHARGING fees which i never said.When Paul for example said he robbed other churches to be a blessing to the church in corinth during his evangelistic crusades what do you think he meant

If you didn't imply the highlight to the scripture I asked you to produce in respect to fees for Christian meetings or conferences, please do so now. I need you to produce scriptural basis on which reservation\registration fees for Christian meetings should be charged BEFORE CHRISTIANS CAN PARTICIPATE IN SUCH PROGRAMMES.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and Pastor Benny Hinn reaches out to India with prayers by Goshen360(m): 1:25am On Jan 06, 2014

Bidam: Good..stop mirepresenting my post by using the word CHARGING fees which i never said.When Paul for example said he robbed other churches to be a blessing to the church in corinth during his evangelistic crusades what do you think he meant

You mean Paul was a robber? I thought you have once enrolled in the concordance class. What happened to you?

Besides, how does Paul issue correlate with registration fees for Christian conferences or for seat reservation? I'll like to be your student in this aspect.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and Pastor Benny Hinn reaches out to India with prayers by Goshen360(m): 1:04am On Jan 06, 2014

Bidam: i read your initial post quite well and i see nothing wrong in people paying a token to register for an outreach.

Did you see them telling you the payment was compulsory? Wats wrong in giving free will offerings,cash and donations to propagate the gospel?I guess this is where we will always disagree and debate on..SMH!

Give us biblical ground to charge FEES for Christian meetings or conference, either BY REGISTRATION OR SEAT RESERVATION. A big you no see flyers ni?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and Pastor Benny Hinn reaches out to India with prayers by Goshen360(m): 1:02am On Jan 06, 2014

Joagbaje: I don't know if they are paying for this on but it's not an issue People do pay money to register for conferences keh. That means there will be feeding and materials.

Oh yes, people do pay for business conferences.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and Pastor Benny Hinn reaches out to India with prayers by Goshen360(m): 12:48am On Jan 06, 2014

Bidam: Why do you keep acting out an hypocritical script? Are you against a prayer and an evangelistic tour?

If you really are called to be an apostle of Christ.You wouldn't condemn one of your own..Rather you would pray for the success of this mission so the banner of Jesus will be revealed the more in india.

This is 2014..I beg you stop being a toy and tool in the hands of satan.

Did you read what was my first post and did you read the threat that was issued against me? You, as my brother, can you issue such threats even when we disagree?

What exactly was I against? The program?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and Pastor Benny Hinn reaches out to India with prayers by Goshen360(m): 11:43pm On Jan 05, 2014

Gombs:
Exactly...he forgot its a Christian leader conference, hence not for everybody... and that monies would be needed for organisation, payment of staff n other workers and also, materials to be used like books, wi-fi, maybe cost for running the generator, meals etc

He sees it as merchandising the gospel...cos he knows nothing about ministry, if he did, he'd know the gospel is expensive to push out to others

You no say we no sabi read and we don't know the difference between CHRISTIAN conference and Christian LEADER'S conference. You no say we no sabi anything. grin

Keep deceiving Y'ALL SELVES.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and Pastor Benny Hinn reaches out to India with prayers by Goshen360(m): 10:58pm On Jan 05, 2014

zig2ryme04: one of the mixed multitude... You are not part of us and God will deal with you personally except you repent.

Your threats are actually nothing to me. I've gone past that. And what will you do if God doesn't deal with me?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and Pastor Benny Hinn reaches out to India with prayers by Goshen360(m): 9:21pm On Jan 05, 2014

Tell our Christian leaders to stop making merchandise of the gospel in the name of "prayer conference".

Cash registrations, this conference is not a free public program. ...Why do you take it to the public then? Why must "conference PRAYER" be paid to register to participate? If you can't organize free program, is it by force you must organize one?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Churches And Our Lord's Prayer. by Goshen360(m): 6:23pm On Jan 05, 2014

femi4: It is for Christians, don't be misled.

Then you don't know or understand what Christ did for you by the cross.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Churches And Our Lord's Prayer. by Goshen360(m): 5:24pm On Jan 05, 2014

https://www.nairaland.com/1497561/lords-prayer-not-believers

That's the link to learn. Not everyone agreed on that thread though but you can learn and give your best judgment.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Churches And Our Lord's Prayer. by Goshen360(m): 5:12pm On Jan 05, 2014

caldermichaels: @Goshen, pls enlighten us. who is 'the lord's prayer' for?

We have dealt with this topic before, lemme find the link and give it here so you go through it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 5:07pm On Jan 05, 2014

Joshthefirst: Sir, I believe there is the law written in stone, and there is its copy written in Men's consciousness, the absolute law of God.

We understand the law of the Spirit you talking about, the law the OP is advocating here is the law of sin and death, the one that helps to revive the sin nature in man. We understand what you talking about.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 4:43pm On Jan 05, 2014

Goshen360: Drummaboy, please send me your contact by email ASAP.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 4:43pm On Jan 05, 2014

The simple analogy is, JOAGBAJE is wrong to say WITH OUT THE LAW, THERE IS FOUNDATION FOR RIGHT AND WRONG. Scripture proves him wrong because wrong and right are happening BEFORE the law.

People killed before the law and God said it wasn't right. People committed homosex.uals before the law, God said it was wrong. Why then should someone say the law is what gives foundation for right and wrong? The same taught on a thread that THE LAW WAS ABOLISHED

People of the law wants to hide behind the law of moses to still take advantage of Christians while they want to hang unto some and discard some.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 4:32pm On Jan 05, 2014

Alwaystrue: @Goshen, you had enough oportunity to explain yourself on that thread. You affirmed that two consenting unmarried adults who hav sex are not commiting fornication, didn't you? I don't have to pull up the thread.
So suddenly where Paul said if a man is behaving 'unseemingly' towards his virgin or bethrothed and he will give in to his passion, they should marry, all you can bring out is what difference is between wife and virgin? Is that the issue? If a man may give in to his passion, what does that mean to you? You are trying so hard to justify the unjustifiable. Your belief is now new age, 'nothing wrong in sleeping with who you are not married to, afterall I have married u in my heart' ideologies right? I have long known how you beat around the bush and try to dilute the truth but thank God for the Truth. It will always endure.

So while your faithful disciple who feels you cannot do any wrong is fighting for you I wish you well. All the questions I asked you end with a question mark, you can take all your time to go over my posts to you and respond. Take your time.

I had explained myself so much on that thread then and we further opened another thread, making it about two threads on that subject. The truth is, you're stucked in what you have known before now and don't wish to give another study to what I bring up to you and it's not compulsory, you don't have to accept what I'm saying.

Now, for the last time, I want you to put things together BY YOUR SELF, the difference Paul said concerning a virgin and a wife AND use the same context to answer the questions or explain what you asking me. Since what I have been saying doesn't make any difference to you, why should I keep going explaining same thing to you while you stucked in your beliefs. That's the only thing that can change how you interpret the verse that seems confusing you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 4:13pm On Jan 05, 2014

Drummaboy, please send me your contact by email ASAP.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors And Ministers Leave Church During Praise And Worship Section by Goshen360(m): 3:16pm On Jan 05, 2014

GREATERWORKS: Bros na wa for you o! @op; Most times the pastors are busy in the office preparing for the service and come in during(not after)the praise session.

What you saying is the same Colossian heresy Paul corrected. Are you saying virtually all the Pastors are busy preparing for a service THAT'S ALREADY GOING ON?

Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 12:54pm On Jan 05, 2014

^ ^ ^
You are a good man my brother but one thing you must learn, you must learn how to deal with people in General, Christian or no Christian. Please, allow me to deal with the brethren or they will end up leaving this thread. That's what they end up doing when you hit them with the truth starring them in the face. I'm used to that but even when Alwaystrue comes up with this issue many times, I gave contextual meaning Paul wasn't talking about a "virgin" as someone who had not had se.x but Paul differentiate between a virgin and a wife.

The truth is, many Christians, especially Nigerians are stucked in religion and Judaism thinking they are practicing Christianity especially in Nigerian way. I made up my mind to live for God and so I'm doing by Grace of God. This word that was entrusted into our hands must not be preached with traditions of men else we make void the Cross of Christ.

The Lord, by the Spirit taught me what is going on amongst us Christians today from what Peter said about the Epistles of Paul, that "somethings are HARD to UNDERSTANDING". In deed, many Christians are still finding it HARD to UNDERSTAND. The question should then follow? Why are some still finding it HARD to UNDERSTAND? Yet, we all claim to be taught by the Spirit. Is the Spirit confusing us all? So, we wonder why Atheists laugh at us sometimes. Because we "sound" like bunch of confused people.

The simple answer is, many who still find these things HARD to UNDERSTAND are stucked in religion and Judaism, mixing Christianity with religious sentiments, traditions of men and Judaism. I, Godwin, a.k.a Goshen360 have broken away from those things since I understood the message of the cross and Christ's finished works wrapped in the Gospel of Grace.

God bless you brother. I will talk to you later over the phone.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Churches And Our Lord's Prayer. by Goshen360(m): 12:08pm On Jan 05, 2014

. . . because the so called "Lord's prayer" is not for Christians.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 12:44am On Jan 05, 2014

@ Drummaboy,

From your last post to nlMediator, I will later show our brethren from scriptures that holiness is not what a Christian need TO DO as with WORKS OF THE LAW, holiness is what a Christian LIVE OUT AS WITH FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT.

Everything a Christian needs as you rightly said, is contained in the Gospel of the new covenant, there's no biblical Apostolic teachings to return to the law, when we have come to Christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by Goshen360(m): 7:49pm On Jan 04, 2014*

Pastor Kun: It is impossible to be a tithe preacher and be honest, the two just don't mix.

You remember I said it at the beginning of that or this thread, say breeze go blow and fowl yansh go expose. The kind breeze wey Candour and Mark dey blow eh, it be like same that blew on the day of Pentecost, it's a MIGHTY RUSHING WIND and it's really blowing for us to see dishonest people grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 6:49pm On Jan 04, 2014

Bidam: I think it is clear for all to see that you couldn't defend your lies against me here.So why not bury your head in shame and remorse.

Do you want me dig up your law teachings? grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 6:48pm On Jan 04, 2014

Alwaystrue: I can see you didnt answer my question.
So in other words, Paul's revelations are of more meaning to you than Jesus Truth @Goshen?

What's the exact question(s) again please because I can't understand why you couldn't put together the contextual meaning and difference of virgin I gave you. Bring the question up again and lemme see if I haven't answered it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 6:45pm On Jan 04, 2014

DrummaBoy: My own problem with you is that you cannot read.
I do not know if we should blame laziness or what? How do you read your bible, if you cannot read long texts? Sound theological discusses anywhere are not text messages, my friend. It is this same attitude you bring to my blog and you disparage it not for want of soundness but because they are too long. You sure are a new kind of theologian. No wonder error reigns.
If you are really intent on understanding all I worte, luckily, the last five lines were a summary of everything I wrote. You could read that one.

We already know by these attitudes, folks who don't want to read others but wants others to read them and we wonder why we keep arguing back and forth. Don't worry, you don't need persuade anyone to read what you wrote. Discussion will prove that.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 3:01pm On Jan 04, 2014

@ Gombs and Bidam and Alwaystrue, I will still reply una first post o, make una no vex. Abeg, make I go fetch my daily bread for myself and my families and for people wey God send me make I bless. cool

Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 2:59pm On Jan 04, 2014

Joagbaje: Ok I don't want to FELOWSHIP with your like so kindly leave my thread.

I CANNOT leave your or this thread. It's a public forum and I'm here to challenge your teachings. The truth is, you can't find a middle ground for law and grace of Christ. You people want to run to\return to the law when things don't favour your teachings while on the other hand, you want to teach the law is abolished. Again, I'm a man of understanding and like I said earlier, you have used this law teaching in the right way but I don't just agree with you in some things you said and we are here to reason it together.

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO START A THREAD BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO WHO COMMENTS ON YOUR THREAD - That's the forum LAW for you. Again, stay away from me IF you decide not to fellowship with me. I can't hold that again you, that's your personal decision. But say make I leaf this thread, NEVER!

Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 2:50pm On Jan 04, 2014

Alwaystrue: You agreed that two consenting adults can have sex Mr Goshen. Coming up with views of being 'married in their heart'. I really do not know how it is hard to understand that two people who are not married (the bride has been GIVEN AWAY to the groom) and engage in sex are committing fornication. You never explained the 1 Cor. 7:36 Paul quoted due to your seeming fear of going against Paul. Whatever you chose to believe is not an issue but that believe is not in line with the word of God. You are simply trying to grey out the lines.

I love you soooooo much and will always do. We are here to learn and it's not compulsory you take what I said. Let's keep on learning.

Now, in 1 Cor. 7:36 what context do YOU think Paul used the word "virgin" because you should know virgin means more than one who had not had se.x. You are here quoting 1 Cor. 7:36 and in verse 34, Paul explained the difference and used that difference in context of verse 36. What "virgin" was Paul talking about there?

King James Bible
There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. - verse 34.

Alwaystrue: You do not even understand the law and grace so what you say is not new.

2. Was it not you that said Jesus was speaking in the dispensation of the Old testament?

3. Paul did not save you, Jesus did so if Jesus words are now your 'definition of old testament', let that be your opinion.

4. Paul said that very scripture 'Our Faith upholds the law' except your faith is different from Paul's. So why can't you say what he said is not your belief rather than saying 'we quote' this or that. Was it us that said it or Paul?

5. The law does not justify...what is so hard to get there? It is a mirror that shows us the need for the saviour and our need for Jesus is constant.

6. The veil in the reading of the OT is removed in Jesus. Note the bible said 'THE VEIL'.

7. Was it not you that once said the 10 commandments are now the Law of The Spirit? So what law is your faith upholding? Lol.

If there's anything I don't understand, please make it known and we discuss it. I want you to listen to me as much as I want to listen to you so we can both learn.

2. Yes, Jesus was speaking under the dispensation of the law, the old covenant. Isn't that what scripture said. If he was speaking under the new, what new did he come to start then? Under the law, the old covenant, Christ came to establish a new way that will be carried on into the new as a new covenant. What was revealed to Paul was a fresh revelation that is now based on the finished works after the Cross, not contained in the law. So, when people like you uphold the law as ordinances for Christian faith, you make void the cross and Christ's finished works.

3. Surely Paul didn't save me, Christ did and what Paul taught are things revealed by Christ. Hence, follow me AS I FOLLOW CHRIST is true. He wasn't teaching what Christ didn't teach.

4. Paul also said, "the law is not based on faith". So where is the confusion coming from? Heroes of FAITH under the law violated the laws and stood out by faith while they lived under the law. What law did they upheld by faith? You need to investigate what both statement meant and you can perfectly align yourself.

5. If you now agree the law doesn't justify, why are you people teaching righteousness by the law and so on? Many times, you hang on one scripture and forbid the other. We both agree here that the law brings a man to end of himself so he can see a need for Christ - that's the proper use of the law, it was all pointing to Christ. Now that Christ had come, why do you teach return to the law for folks?

6. The veil is taken away from US so we can see what THEY of OLD couldn't see - they could SEE CHRIST IN THE LAW, that is, all what God was telling them through the law hiding Christ in it, BUT those who saw it with the eyes of faith, they are our heroes of faith. I don't have luxury of time to give examples how they violated the law BY THEIR FAITH and God accepted them. Why, they saw something that goes beyond the law, maybe as we go on, I will give examples.

7. The 10 commandment don't need to be written as 10 for Christians to do what is contained as a written form of 10 commandment - that's what that statement meant. Christians don't kill because the 10 commandment said so, we don't because having gained the knowledge of killing via the law and these knowledge had led us to Christ, Christ in us by the Spirit, we don't do such things. You can go back and re-read what I said on that thread.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 2:16pm On Jan 04, 2014

MEILYN: I keep the laws through faith in Christ.

But

I am 100% against tithe.

All these pastors can change their doctrines just to justify tithe..

Naija i hail thee.....

Am out. Nice one @Joe.

You don reach here again? Which law do you keep through faith? Do I need remind you in KJV voice that law is not based on faith? Galatians 3:12 Abeg park for one side make we see road joor. cheesy

You keep the law by faith and you against tithe 100%, which law do you then keep by faith, no let these faith tithers catch you grin

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