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[quote author=Teeto, Esq]Don't be confused... Just as you said it above its only when "you live out what you are", that people will be able to know who you are and that is an opened identity. Before Christ asked His disciples "who do people say that I am?" He lived out His life for the people to know who He is....what people say about you counts a lot because it can make or mar you.[/quote]Where does identity starts from - From YOU or from the people?

One thing I know is, today's church is still far from Christ like Christianity. Christ never taught such neither the Apostles. Until we understand Christ-like Christianity, we will continue to promote religion thinking we're doing God a favour. The Christ I know, will never excommunicate any of His followers - that's the Christianity of Christ.

birdman: This verse suggests Melchizedek was no ordinary human. If he has no end of life, or beginning, what is he then. I would not be surprised if an exegesis of this text shows that the original translators have muddied the waters with their opinions here - "made like unto" seems very suspicious. The Darby version, which I find to be often right in spirit puts it as "but assimilated to the Son of God". Doesn't make it clearer, I know.

@Goshen, I think you are concentrating on the wrong details here. Priest and person are not mutually exclusive. And I dont knwow what being a "man" or not buys us here.

I have my theories (uh-uhm revelations ) on this, but I think its irresponsible to present it without a solid enough word backing.

Welcome brother. We can walk through it. There's nothing hard in the mysteries, with patience and kindness, we can unveil the truth. The OP doesn't want to listen to others so I left him with his thread, Oh well.

If he had answered my question, we can then find meanings to the verse you quoted, it's as simple as that. That's the way I have come to learn the scripture - by questioning the context and verses within the context. Maybe if you can answer my question, I might be patient to walk with you and we will both understand what the verse you quoted means.

And the question was,

King James Bible
Now consider how great this man was, . . .

According to the above ^ verse, was Melchizedek a man or not?

birdman: You are a little too defensive here. I wonder why

Defensive about what? That farting is sin? Seriously? Abeg talk better thing joor. As far as I'm concerned, this is a religious talk, nothing Christianly in it. God doesn't say it's a sin, religion does.

anukulapo: *** question about eternal life ***
"And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. " (Luke 18:18-19).

This man is a man of the law and have the attitudes of the people and they being under the law - the attitude of what must I do, that is works for\unto salvation or to eternal life. Don't you think something is wrong in that text if truly eternal life is in Christ and Christ pointing this man to the 10 commandments? John 6:40, John 3:16 & John 6:68. Certainly something is wrong and I'm taking you on that journey of discovery, if you will allow me.

Eternal life is not in keeping the 10 commandments but in Christ. Christ pointing this man to the commandment is to show him he can't keep the 10 to have life because this man already came with the attitude of law people in his heart - what must I DO, showing works for salvation. You can get the Hebrew syntax to understand the way words are said.

2. If the 10 gives eternal life, this man would have gotten it because he said he kept the 10 from CHILDHOOD. But listen to Christ, he still lack ONE thing. How can someone keep the 10 from childhood but to Christ, he still lack ONE thing. Meaning, you can't keep the whole law or the 10 to have eternal life, you will always lack one thing and when you lack one thing, you haven't kept any of the 10. The thing you lack is what points you to the Savior where lies in the eternal life.

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anukulapo: "Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up." (Luke 18:20-21).

King James Bible
Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Look at the two highlighted words again. This man was talking to the one who gave the law in the first place and boasting he had kept the ALL the 10 from his childhood. Jesus HEARD THESE THINGS.....something is wrong and Christ turned the talk - This man is break the very first commandment (Have no other gods before me) but thinks he had kept ALL - He had made money his god. Hahahahahahahahahaha! Meaning, he have broken ALL from childhood.

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anukulapo: The law was a way to salvation (for those that can fulfil it. The problem is not with the law for the law was capable of giving eternal life if you can fulfil its requirement. The problem is that people were unable to fulfil it because they ware not empowered--"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you..." (Acts 1:

The law was a way to salvation (for those that can fulfil it).

1. This is not true! The law is to show men their sin and bring them to the END OF THEMSELVES so they can see a need for a Saviour.

New International Version
Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.

New Living Translation
Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins.

In one of my threads, I showed what "their sins" was that brought about the giving of the law - it's the same thing the man in Luke was doing, boasting he can keep ALL.

2. The law was given so that sin will increase, not a way to Salvation. Christ is the way!

New International Version
The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase.

New American Standard Bible
The Law came in so that the transgression would increase;

King James Bible
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The law came along to multiply the trespass.

The problem is not with the law for the law was capable of giving eternal life if you can fulfil its requirement.

If the law could give eternal life, then there's no eternal life in Christ in the first place. No need for Christ to come give us eternal life. The problem is, you have to know the event that led to giving of the law, then you will understand that law is purely sin revival. God never intended man to live by laws and regulations etc but to live by His Spirit.

The problem is that people were unable to fulfil it because they ware not empowered--"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you..." (Acts 1:

Do you receive the Spirit to fulfill the law or to live the life in the Spirit? The scripture you quoted ^ doesn't say anything about keeping the law by the Spirit empowerment, check your concordance what that power means. "against such (that is, life in the Spirit), there's no law". You are saying exactly opposite to the Apostolic doctrine.

2 Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the [Holy] Spirit as the result of obeying the Law and doing its works, or was it by hearing [the message of the Gospel] and believing [it]? [Was it from observing a law of rituals or from a message of faith?] 3 Are you so foolish and so senseless and so silly? Having begun [your new life spiritually] with the [Holy] Spirit, are you now reaching perfection [by dependence] on the flesh? Galatians 3, Amplified Bible (AMP)

In other words, what makes you think you can continue to live by the Spirit if you haven't obeyed any law to start with in the first place?

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anukulapo: ***Now that "the" way is around and open,Jesus offered the excellent way***
"Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich." (Luke 18:22-23).

The problem is, you and some folks are using the old testament to interpret the new. The should be the other way round. Look again at the scene and what Christ said to this man if it doesn't tally with

. . . to show men their sin and bring them to the END OF THEMSELVES so they can see a need for a Saviour.

New International Version
Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.

New Living Translation
Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins.

Christ was using the 10 to show this man he still lack one thing and to bring him to the end of himself so he can see the need for HIM, Christ as Saviour in whom is eternal life. So we can read, "Christ is the END of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes".

When Christ used the law to show this man who said he had kept ALL from childhood the true purpose of the law, that is, to bring this man to the end of himself, he came to the end of himself, knowing he had broken all the law, he made money his god, breaking the very first and meaning he broke all, and kept none from childhood.

That is why this scripture is true,

New International Version
We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.

New Living Translation
We know that the law is good when used correctly.

English Standard Version
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully,

What does this mean, it means there's an incorrect or improper or unlawful ways of using the law. That's what you're doing - you are using the law as a means of salvation or a way of salvation or quoting the law as a way to eternal life. That's an improper way of using the law! Jesus used the law rightly in that context, using it to bring that man to the end of himself.

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anukulapo: So bro,"Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." (Romans 7:12).
There is nothing wrong with the law but with man. "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin." (Romans 7:14).

Again, the law is good, when a man uses it in a good way. In the way for which it was given. The commandment is holy if used in holy ways. Again, try go study how the law came into existence so you can understand these things - it is man boasting to God to DO works to be made righteous and justified in the eyes of God but God's way of making people right with him is through Christ, the final sacrifice, not works of men.

Also, when you read the law is spiritual, you think it is spiritual being or what? Jesus said the similar thing - the words that I speak to you are spirit and life. Does that means words are spirit? Please find out what it means that the law is spiritual.

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anukulapo: The reason God had to do away with the law and not do away with man is that man is the subject matter and not the law. God didn't create man so that he can glorify the law, he created the law to save man. So,the law can be changed for all he cares just to save his precious creations.

The reason God had to do away with the law and not do away with man is that man is the subject matter and not the law.

So you agree God has done away with the law? And you also agree, "God didn't create man so that he can glorify the law"? Why then are you glorifying the ten commandments? Why are you glorifying the law instead of glorifying Christ? Don't you know Christ is the reason for which the law was given? To lead men to Christ? I leave you with this verse,

New American Standard Bible
I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died;

King James Bible
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

The law = the commandment, the 10. I was alive WITHOUT the law, the 10. You for don leaf me alone jeje, (without the law) the moment you gave me the law, SIN revival began in me and sin = death, because the wages of sin is death and what I was given is the law of SIN and DEATH.

haibe: Nawa o this thread don old na

Never mind, we can resurrect any thread we're not satisfied with.

anukulapo: Really?

CAPITAL. ....YES!!!

zoeee: What is sin?

Good kweshun sweerie.

[quote author=Teeto, Esq]when people don't know who you are they see you as not useful... because you have a hidden identity.[/quote]It start from "who do PEOPLE say that I am" to "who do YOU say that I am" ? Christ never responded to who people said he was for some even called him what he wasn't.

It's who YOU say you are and what God in his word says you are that counts. You can only live out what you are, not what people say you are.

It's not defined nor called sin as with God. Religion might call it sin but God doesn't. Get out of guilt and condemnation, there's no condemnation for those in Christ.

vpaymoney: thanks so much bro but is dia not any book in d new testament dat lay emphasy on dis sbjct?

The new testament doesn't teach fixed % of giving but as a man purpose in his heart and this new testament kind of giving negates the commandments of tithing. Hence, there's no book or teaching that laid emphasis on tithe and tithing in the new testament. The only book that mentioned tithe is Hebrews 7 and it actually put a final nail to tithe abolishment.

vpaymoney: and if it's of old or null n void as u av said for d levites to collect tithes, does it still relavant to pay it now?

There's no Levites anymore as far as Christianity is concerned. Both Jews and Gentiles are now one new man in Christ. So, no tribe of Levi to collect tithe according to commandments of numbers 18. It's no more relevant to Christianity today.

vpaymoney: and back to d to my sbjt, what positn is G.O(s) to ask that all tithes shld be sent to him from all d branches nationwide/worldwide. sorry to bother u.

Religious organization with their G.O who does that are either ignorance or deliberately manipulating God's word. Paul, the Apostle and other Apostles never asked any other the churches he established in Christ to remit tithe to Jerusalem Headquarters or to him. It's a religious error of our days.

As if the Spirit ministered same to you and I. It doesn't matter what people say you\we are, it is what the word says we are and what we answer to. Some said he was Elijah but he wasn't. Some said he was John the Baptist but he wasn't. ...so we see and understand it's not what people say we are but what we say we are or what we answer to. Our identity flows from inside to outside.

Joagbaje: A sinner and an unbeliever are same. A christian is not a sinner. He is a saint even if he sins.

I'm Goshen360 and I endorse this message.

Ranchhoddas: There is so much confusion in the bible,u cant help but wonder if it's truly divine.

But God is NOT the author of confusion, yet he authored the word by His Spirit. Where then cometh confusion?

Pastor Olu T: I understand that, that is why I said "what he meant" the contemporary religious belief system.

NB u know many at times we come to that level to strike understanding with such, if not we will then have to explain every little things. Hope u understand me?

You're the best. I definitely understand you. I had wanted mention it as a religious believe but don't wanna offend him. I tell you what, God is raising a remnant in these last days that we revisit everything we have been taught and present the image of Christ, removing religion out of Christianity.

Pastor Olu T: Yeah, @ op if u had read further u will discover Noah was 600yrs when this statement was made, and lived 350yrs more after the flood. After then the yrs start reducing as the time for final restoratio/redemption of all things drew near!

Plus, the real issue is, the statement of Genesis 6:3 was the intended mind of God for punishment BUT (a negating conjunction) Noah found Grace in the sight of God. ...in the same context. Genesis 6:8.

What does that tell us?

When God tells a man he will die, like the case of the king Isaiah was sent to but when such find Grace in God's sight, will that make God's statement the man will die a lie?

Grace terminates God's wrath when found in Christ.

Pastor Olu T: I understand u bro, bt what he actually meant was that was he called into the five fold ministry as we understand it (though ministry is not limited to that)?

I'm glad you said ministry isn't limited to the five. I know you understand ministry to an extent. The ministry office are gifts in the operation, not in the title.

In other words, a man can be addressed as pastor but his gift might be a teacher of the word. Also, a bishop is not a gifted office but also an official position in the church.

Yes, you're right. The Levites under the old covenant own the tithe as commanded by God. Equivalent to Levites today will be the helps in worship gathering, the ushers, choirs, traffic control helps, children helps etc. They should receive tithe and give tenth of tithes to the pastors who are equivalent to Aaron.

This commandments/ordinances is found in Numbers 18. However, we are not under the old covenant and such practices is null and void at the cross of Christ.

Hackerjay: Hmmm...is he really Called?

There's no "special" calling in the new testament because everyone is already or has been called to do something within the ONE body of Christ. Just find out by the Spirit what you're called to do.

If anyone tells you they're called in the new testament, such is a liar.

Why are the creatures trying to catch the creator by his words and ignoring the contextual statement?

The OP should have read a little down the passage before jumping to conclusions.

New American Standard Bible
Jesus went out, along with His disciples, to the villages of Caesarea Philippi; and on the way He questioned His disciples, saying to them, "Who do people say that I am?" They told Him, saying, "John the Baptist; and others say Elijah; but others, one of the prophets." And He continued by questioning them, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered and said to Him, "You are the Christ." Mark 8:27-30

Our identity in Christ is one of the most precious gift the world and devil is confronting in this last days. Just as the identity of Christ was first attacked by the devil - “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread”; so also our identify in Christ is being attacked by the devil today. Many Christians use their identify in Christ to serve the flesh rather than using it to serve the Spirit. The purpose of our identity in Christ is to work out the multi purpose and\or manifold faces of what was deposited in us through Christ.

It is not what people say we are but what we say we are and what we answer to. Our identity is wrapped in the finished works of Christ and hence, we are the finished works of Christ in the manifold wisdom of God. We are the people set apart unto good works because goodness had being deposited in us. We are the light and we shouldn't walk in the dark nor be found in the dark. We are the sons and daughters of God that had been made righteous so that we can live right hence, living out the righteousness we were made into.

We are the called out - How can we who are called out of the world return to the world? We are the washed and the sanctified, how can we who are washed go back and get dirty? We are the blessed people. How can we who are blessed be under a curse at the same time? We're the beloved of God on the face of the earth, God is not mad at us. We're the victorious people, how can we be defeated? We're the product of Christ's finished works and knowing this our identity, we act accordingly in the power of the Spirit. We are what the word says we are and the devil's\world's opinion about our identity don't count.

desirel: i live in europe and i'm going to a rccg church. few months ago we went to a mfm church that is near to our house; but one thing is not ok in my mind about this churches: the prayer time. i can't enjoy the prayer time becuse for me is like the cursing time, and i can't say Amen to it. All this prayers with backfire this and backfire that, let my enemy die, let your fire consume them, etc, it's not making any sense to me, not in christian way. Is like another gospel is proclaim there, not the Gospel of Christ, who said to pray for and bless your enemies. so i told my husband about it, and he told me that i'm too behaind with my faith and i don't know what prayer means and he gave me some examples from old testament. that's ok, but where is the grace? i grew up in a christian family; part of my family was persecuted because of their faith in Christ, during comunism time, but i never heard someone in my family to speak bad about their persecutors, never; instead they where always praying for them and asked God to open their eyes to see the truth and to be saved.
So what you guys think about this "new christianity"?

I do shake my head literally when I read stories like this about some churches. That's why I said then and I say now, I hate religious and religious people but I love the finished products (Christian) of Christ which is the true meaning of CHRISTianity.

holypower: "And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.

And they went to another village." (Luke 9:54-56).

Many Christians are practicing "follow-follow" instead of practicing Christianity of Christ. Christ is the mediator of the new covenant and as such, we we saw him doing all through the four gospels was to establish what is to be carried on into the new covenant after his death. The ^^^ scripture is a foundation for the new testament Christianity.

I wonder if MFM reads scriptures like the above and still say they follow Christ and not the religion of the old covenant. Come to think of it, when they are challenged, they will say it is "spiritual" fire because their weapon of warfare is not "physical" and they don't fight physical battle but "spiritual". Ladies and Gentlemen, how come the fire Elijah called down was literal and physical to consume the enemies? Ever since MFM had being calling down fire on their enemies, how come there's never been a physical and literal manifestation of fire as they often cite old testament example to back up their "fire come down" prayers?

Friends, Christ didn't come to extend the Old covenant but to bring to us a "new way" completely different from the old covenant way. Such practice of calling down fire on enemies is completely foreign to the Christianity of the early church and not of Christ. Remember, we were once an enemy of God too, had God reigned fire on us, what will be of us today?

One way by which I understand the word is by being a student under the teacher, the Spirit and as a student, I ask questions and\or question many things written in the bible. With that inquisitive mind, the Spirit teaches all things. That being said, @ OP, you have to start your quest from Genesis 1:1 and walk down through the end, questioning each verse and try to understand (from biblical point of view) what happened at each stage and how things came to be. So, lemme help you, if these questions will push some buttons in you:

Genesis 1:1, What heaven is that verse talking about if God already exist and\or created from heaven. (b), What earth is that verse talking about if the earth is named in Genesis 1:10?

2. If God already created heaven in Genesis 1:1, what heaven is named in Genesis 1:8 OR why is firmament called heaven if it was already created in Genesis 1:1

3. 2 Peter 3:4-5 also referenced the creation you asking about and it will be of great help.

By the time you put all these together, you should be able to explain the Genesis 1:6 and what took place at that stage of creation.

MEILYN: let me tell you guys what Paul meant with this verse.

"But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law." (Galatians 5:18).<< [/b]I asked Haibe what spirit means, he refused to answer. Now let me answer him.

[b]"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. " (John 6:63).<< the words of Christ is the spirit , and what was the word of Christ? Keep my commandments.

off i go.

You have once heard of speaking in diverse tongues but today, I present to you, laughing in tongues. https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif . . . & rolling on the floor.

You mean my new SamSung Galaxy Note 3 God blessed me to buy is demonic?

@ Gombs,

Do you agree with every statement of the OP concerning tithe?

haibe: You are right but Abraham was not obliged to give a tithe like its stated in the law of moses, whether Abraham gave tithe or not, it doesn't stop the blessings God has pronounced on him. Same goes with Christians, just like abraham we are still blessed whether or not we give tithe. The covenant of promise is different from that of the mosaic law.

The new testament instruction for giving is to give as God has prospered you and cheerfully, not necessarily a tenth, it could be more or less.

You're doing great in the word. Keep it up!

I'm Goshen360 and I endorse this TRUTH of the word.

Mr Troll:


Who died to kick start the old testament?

The covenant before the law was ratified by blood. The covenant of the law (first covenant) was also ratified by blood. The new covenant also ratified by blood. In all cases, something had to be killed to produce the needed blood (in the case of the covenant before the law and that of the law, it was animal which was a shadow of Christ). In the case of new covenant, it was the fulfillment of the shadows which was Christ, blood is the key in ratifying a covenant.

Scripture did not say someone had to die in ratifying the covenant before the law and covenant of the law but of the new covenant. Why? We're told, Christ is the mediator of the new covenant and to effect this new testament, the death of the testator must first be proved and then the covenant takes effect. How each covenant was ratified differs. Blood is the major thing required in all and blood only comes by death, a shadow being fulfilled by Christ's death.

New Living Translation
That is why even the first covenant was put into effect with the blood of an animal. For after Moses had read each of God's commandments to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, along with water, and sprinkled both the book of God's law and all the people, using hyssop branches and scarlet wool. Then he said, "This blood confirms the covenant God has made with you."

I hereby propose the title of this thread changed from "Boasting from the pulpit" to "Modern Pentecostal way of collecting offerings and sowing seeds".

MEILYN: Bro, mark my words, i wont answer this question of yours

Okay, it's on record that I asked you a question and you never answered and even promised not to answer. We will meet again. Enjoy! Bye for now!

rudedough: Ahhh I just died. You just killed me

You berrer wake up! Never die o abi na make you quickly resurrect I for talk naw.

rudedough: Oboy they have started with another apologetic excuse ooo..

So the new Testament did not start from Matthew again? From act now so we can consider Matt - John among the Old Testament.

Oboy wahala dey ooo...

So you claim say you sabi bible and you no efen know that simple truth say new testament start from Acts? Oboy e, you don fail elementary o. How you wan enter secondary naw?