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^ I dey sideline dey laugh you in the Spirit o. You dey form for your eyes abi?

noblefada: The mistake most Christians make is to use the OT to explain the NT, it should be the other way round, for the fact Jesus said it twice should have settled the issue. Again no one has ever seen God, not Adam not even the angels, the closest they saw of the physical attributes of God was Christ Jesus, 1Ti 3:16 KJV* And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels , preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Heaven also endorse your message and so do I.

MEILYN: Am not defending nothing. The point has been made. Now is the time for you to hear or forbear. Simple has that. If we keep going this will lead nowhere because you have made up your mind and i have made up mine.

Whose mind was made up? Yours or his? They have shown you the Law was UNTIL a certain time when the reign of the Spirit will take over, ask yourself, are you still under a kindergarten school master of the guidance of the law? Again, ask yourself, are you a murder, are you fornicator, an adulterer? Do you kill your parent? If your answers to the above are no, then what law are you following not to do such things?

King James Bible
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 1 Timothy 1:10

MEILYN: is that the record?. I dont wanna go on with this conversation.

To you Melchizedec is not Christ fine. But to me he is Christ and i strongly believe he is without any doubt. Now can we end this discussion and move on with our lives?.

I knew you will mess up when put in the hot seat. You can continue because you know the question I will ask thereafter. Okay, another record,

King James Bible
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Matthew 1:1

That's another record line, will you please answer my question - Is Melchizedek a man or not? Be man enough to answer my question and I will ask just one more question and I'm done with your thread.

MEILYN: I never said Christ didnt die, he died. But i was just kidding with you, can you show us his birth record.? that was a joke bro. I am a witness that Christ died and resurrected. We are witnesses, do you have any record? Na wa oo, i am also a witness that Christ was born of Joseph.

MEILYN,

King James Bible
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Matthew 2:1

Please, answer my question and I'm not messing with you here,

Is Melchizedek a man or not?

Where art thou, MEILYN? Don't tell me your phone battery is dead and\or network is gone when I have time today o.

^ Me sef dey surprise o. I dey efen think say na him be Nobody until I came to understand if one deactivates his\her account, it changes to "Nobody". I for say what in the world is going on here!

MEILYN: Erm, Death witnesses rather, he died and resurrected, he ascended into heaven. But He had a birth record. The Talmud confirmed this.

Death witnesses rather

Are you sure you agreed to the above as it is said of Christ? How come you don't agree to such as it is said of Melchizedek?

King James Bible
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. Hebrews 7:8

he died and resurrected

Did I read you said he DIED? How can one resurrect if he doesn't die first and how can one die if he wasn't born first? And yet, you asking me this:

MEILYN: Can you show us the death record of Christ?

And yet, you said this:
But He had a birth record. The Talmud confirmed this.

MEILYN: i wont read because you dont talk with facts. You just write a story with your own opinion and analogy. Anytime i look at ur post and i dont see any bible verses after reading the first paragraph. I get bored mehn

Because I don't jump from scripture to scripture quoting aimlessly in a religious manner. Let's us reason together now because I can perceive you know scripture very well and I have your time today, at least.

Question:

Is Melchizedek a man or not?

And please, don't waste my time. Just go straight to the answer to my question and let's go on from there.

MEILYN: Can you show us the death record of Christ?

You mean you haven't read Christ died? If I show his death record, I should also show you his birth record as a man.

MEILYN: You know one thing about me? I hate vain babblings. Cant you quote the bible and explain? I cant be reading all these things, i wont read. Because they are your own opinion.

It's not important you read. Perphaps, you can't handle what is written simply because it doesn't agree with your interpretation? I don't even expect you to understand what you read either.

OlaoChi: Actually Jesus has no birth or death record

We are talking of the MAN, Jesus. He doesn't have birth or death record?

King James Bible
The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4

Thou art a priest NOT thou art a PERSON . . . after the order.

without father n\or mother - is understood when the Greek is studied and\or investigated to accurately mean, the parental record was missing in the chronicles and genealogies. His mother and father's name were not recorded and you can't say this exactly is his mother\father.

without beginning of days or end of life - beginning of days accurately translated to be his BIRTH record was missing. END of life, means DEATH to life existence. If this means he wasn't born (birth record) nor die (DEATH record) then it will mean Melchizedek is still alive somewhere as a king and priest existing in Salem (now Jerusalem) because we were told in Hebrews 7:1 he WAS, (not, he IS) king and priest in Salem.

Christ as a man, just LIKE Melchizedek have birth record and death record. How come Melchizedek don't have IF they are SAME person? Melchizedek and Christ were compared just like Christ was compared to Moses, Aaron, lamb etc. Does that mean Christ is Moses, or Aaron etc?

MEILYN: Goshen, i can bet with my life that you are the one confused in this issue.

0ok Melchidezec isnt Christ, suppose i agree.

1]Goshen who is Melchidezec?

2]do you believe there is someone like Christ? He should be part of the trinity as christians falsely claims Jesus is God.

3]the bible should be contradicting itself, because we all know Christ was the prince of peace, is Melchizedec higher than Christ? Because he is the king of peace?.

4]do you believe Melchizedec has no beginning or end like Christ?

Those up there are questions i want you to offer.

#1. Who is Melchizedek?

Scripture says he is\was a man LIKE you and me - Hebrews 7:4. He is also KING of Salem, a specific geopgraphical location at that time and also a PRIEST - Hebrews 7:1.

NOW, If he is a man LIKE you and I, How come he doesn't he doesn't have FATHER and MOTHER nor BEGINNING of days and END of Life? Since, EVERY man LIKE YOU and I have FATHER\MOTHER AND BEGINNING OF DAYS\END OF LIFE? It means the contradiction, we have to investigate or study the text.

First, scripture says ONLY the FIRST WOMAN, EVE, was MADE from a man, Adam - 1 Corinthians 11:12. EVERY OTHER MAN is born by a woman, which mean every other man have a MOTHER. How then will Melchizedek be a MAN but don't have a MOTHER? Even Jesus have a MOTHER and he was born of A WOMAN. If you saying Melchizedek don't have a mother but Jesus have, then they're not the same, that destroys your interpretation because you saying they are same person but one have a mother but the other dont.

to be continue . . .

Bidam: Lol, bros, no tight your fist abeg..Send am o..God loves a cheerful giver.

I know say you like prophet offerings and me sef understand say anyone who give a prophet gift will receive a prophet reward, what is my prophet reward SO THAT I can know how FAT my prophet offerings will be?

@ MEILYN,

Looks like you ready for discussion now, not the kind of harsh words you using on people now and then. But I don't have time luxury now, I have to go to work first, give me time, I will answer all your questions. God bless you.

Bidam: Or you can equally put it this way The Lord said to my Lord sit at my right hand.

You see, you know you and me will forever be brothers, whether we agree or not. But my problem with you is, you need to cool down, e be like say your gra-gra dey too much sometimes. What I said to him replacing Christ for Melchizedek was to make him see how wrong his interpretation was if Christ IS Melchizedek. The verse you quoted also, those that mean or interpret the first "Lord" is the SAME as the second "Lord" in that verse? That's exactly what I wanted him to see. Here's the original quoting of that verse:

King James 2000 Bible
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.

American King James Version
The LORD said to my Lord, Sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.

Bidam: You see how you dey shoot yourself for foot abi? Why don't you explain to him who Melchizedek is instead of bastardizing God's word. Smh!

You dey fear because e go cancel your belief about tithe...

Merry xmas bro..remember to appreciate God by giving Melchizedek tithes of ALL.. Baba God don bless you..eno easy.

Why should I be afraid Melchizedek teaching will cancel my tithe belief? If you, me and Gombs agree that he is NOT Christ but LIKE Christ, can a person be compared to HIMSELF? Goshen looks LIKE Goshen, who does that?

Merry Christmas to you too, I for send Prophet offerings to you but you don collect too much tithe this year, that one suppose don do you this Christmas.

@ Gombs,

Sometimes, it appears some Christians study the word BUT they don't understand tenses. This is not an insult to them but that's what it seems like. How can someone be reading "A is LIKE B" and be telling us it is the same meaning as "A IS B"? This is the problem we have with folks today and we wonder why so much argument as if we, Christians are bunch of confused people. The same problem I have with the OP, if he likes, let him call Melchizedek anything but saying Melchizedek is Christ, Oh Lord, help us!

And, YOU, Gombs, leave that tithe matter this Christman season, the one una don collect don do.

MEILYN: "For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec." (Hebrews 7:17).<< Christ is a Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Wow Melchizedec continues to be an high priest in Christ, so was christ in melchizedec.

You don't need anyone to help you understand the Scriptures a little bit, you need someone to help your confusion the more. Lemme help your confusion the more.

If, according to you, Christ is = Melchizedek. Then, that scripture above should read thus:

Thou, CHRIST art a priest forever after the order of CHRIST

MEILYN: 2 CORINTHIANS 11 VS 6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things<<< Paul was rude, its only a lier that talks with sweet words bro. I aint doing that.

Being rude in SPEECH is not same as rude in ATTITUDES, you rude in both.

MEILYN: ok now, let other people judge. . I have told you what grace is, i have also told you why grace came. The rest is your problem. You can leave now okay?. Bye bye

You are rude!

MEILYN: Now let me explain this verse Goshen and His folks are misquoting.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" (Ephesians 2:8 ).<<when we transgress the Law, it is by faith in Christ we are saved and not of ourselves, meaning we cant save ourselves with Sacrifices anymore, but with faith in Christ we are saved.

Now what do you think grace is? Let me give you an example.

When we were young, still in school, anytime we break the laws, there is a punishment attached to each law. When you break the law, your teacher will come and tell you to fetch water or something. Now someone comes and says, anytime you break the law, you dont have to fetch water anymore, he will start fetching the water for you, only if you are not a hypocrite, only if you will tell him what you have done, confess with your mouth, and start keeping the laws without breaking it on purpose. That is grace, when you keep the laws, anytime you break it, you dont have to fetch water anymore[works of the law], you just have to admit what you did and repent from it. Salvation is no longer of ourselves but by faith. Simple.

This is what you peeps dont understand.

Now, I can see you don't understand Grace neither do you understand the law you advocate. None of them you understand. You are not ready for discussion hence, you just ranting and say people don't understand this\that. You that understand it, explain; you can't even explain but scriptures quoting out of context here and there. If you're going to discuss with yourself, fine but if you want to discuss with others, let line be upon line and precept upon precept and let us follow the discussion in a straight manner.

uchkochi: TITHING IS A UNIVERSAL SCRIPTURAL LAW.

If you will not tithe, you will keep struggling. There are things you must know about tithing;

1. Tithing is what God uses to test you if you are matured enough to handle great resources. Just 10 percent of your increase demanded by God will keep you eternally away from struggles.

2. The Poor can become rich by tithing, the rich can become poor by not tithing. God is no respecter of persons.

3. You are where you are by your decision to either tithe or not to tithe.

4. Tithing is the easiest instruction God gave us in scriptures that commands the greatest future. Indebtedness, losses, sicknesses and diseases, frustrations, begging are all evidences of a NON-TITHING LIFE.

5. Tithing is the simplest instruction because God didn't ask you to go and look for money from somewhere, it is from what comes to your hand that you pay your tithe. If nothing comes to your hand, then you are justified not to pay your tithe. But if something comes to your hand then you must tithe if things will stop being tight for you.

6. The tithe is what you remove first before any other thing.

7. You cannot pray the devourer away, you cannot fast the devourer away, you can only tithe the devourer away because it is only God that can rebuke the devourer because tithing is a universal law. He said "bring ye all the tithe and I will rebuke the devourer...." Malachi 3:11.

8. Where you pay your tithe is as important as paying your tithe. You only pay your tithe to churches or ministries or men of God that meets your spiritual needs. 1st Corinthians 9:11, Galatians 6:6.

Please pay your tithe, so that you will change levels a thousand times better even before this year ends. Malachi 3:10.

Now, this is so ridiculous! I wish I call on your other tithe advocates on this forum and ask if they will agree with you in everything you said ^ up there. Seriously?

MEILYN: evetthing is, you guys dont know the meaning of grace, truth, holy, sin. Thats why you misquote Paul to justify your lawlessness. The point has already been made. Christ did not abolish the Law, he came to magnify it. Now, am not gonna say more than that.

The problem is you need show us how Christ magnified the law that people couldn't keep before he came and magnified for us today. Are you aware The best person that ever boasted TO HAVE KEPT THE WHOLE LAW FROM CHILDHOOD still LACK ONE THING?

MEILYN: "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;" (2 Peter 3:15)."As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." (2 Peter 3:16) you guys read the bible like a story book. You just hear grace, law, truth, holy, bible, love. You dont know the meaning of these words. Thats what is getting you people confused. Peace Out. Live your lives in lawlessness.

There's still no problem, tell us the MEANING OF THOSE WORDS - Grace, law, truth, holy, bible, love etc.

[quote author=tpia@]this is wrong and demonic:

https://www.nairaland.com/1564438/daddy-mummy-syndrome-churches

when your judging is undermining people who are serving God in spirit and in truth, that judgment will fall on you.[/quote]What's wrong and demonic? To judge a man of God? Seriously? Is a man of God first not a Christian before being a man of God? What immunity does a man of God have that an ordinary Christian don't have?

Many times, it is Christian argument that makes it look as if scriptures contradict itself not knowing it is our inadequate studying that manifest. James and Paul never contradict themselves. Jesus and Paul never contradict themselves. Peter and Paul\James never contradict themselves. Where does confusion comes from for what I know, God is never the author of confusion. We hold on to the 10 commandments as if it can produce life to Christians - Life is in Christ, not in the 10 commandments.

King James Bible
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Sin revival BY THE LAW, that's what most Christian churches are teaching and same is happening in this thread.

In fact, the 10 commandment is a ministry of death and condemnation but there's no condemnation to those in Christ. It only those given the law that will be judged by the law. Those the gospel was preached to will be judged by the gospel. The law is a shadow of truth not a complete truth in itself. Follow the law, you follow incomplete truth - Christ is the way, TRUTH and life, the complete package\gift of God.

If we have to discuss this topic, we have to discuss as we have to listen to ourselves, not sticking to one sided

MEILYN: this right here is the word bro... Let me just give you a verse.

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. " (Matthew 5:19). << it is as simple as that. The law still stands bro. The sacrificial laws have been done with. But the modified moral laws are still intact.

1. Let's start this way, do you think God intended man to live by laws, rules, regulations and commandments?

2. Why was the law given and/or added?

3. Where does the bible called some laws moral and some sacrificial?

@ Meilyn,

You dey fall hands. Shey you know?

Interesting! This one no be jokes o.

^ You seems not to understand this thing we have been saying yet. Yes, the Abraham example predates the law but the Abraham example is not a law for Christians. Preachers make it a law for Christians by citing Abraham example and\but backing it with Malachi curse while they also lift law tithing scripture to support Abraham tithing.

If you're a truly gonna use Abraham example of tithing as a pre-law tithing, nothing should be drawn from the law tithing and no curses should be added, it should be a free-will thing because Abraham was not threatened with devourer and curses for him to do that, it was a freewill not a law because the law of tithing doesn't exist then.