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MaxInDHouse:
It's not assertion rather it's what you yourself brought but you can repost it again perhaps it's not clear to you!

Then paste and underline. Is that hard to do?

Michael547:
Does not your own research tells you that Grave lacks the connotation of the original terms of sheol and Hades? Don't you see why others use Hades or sheol instead of grave? Are you an illiterate?

Illiterate.

Ecclesiastes was talking about the grave!

Peter was talking about a prison of spirits.

Jesus got the keys of Hades. Not the grave.

Souls of martyrs cried from under the altar!

MaxInDHouse:
You brought a reference which stated clearly that Hades, Sheol and Grave are used as the same thing yet you want to start arguing blindly again.

Na wah for you o!

I said you should post the reference and underline where it says so! I reject your assertion, so prove Mr wrong!

Michael547:
He clearly said 'spirits' find me where he said 'souls'

Oh oh, so now you want to be going roundabout.

So, he clearly said spirits and also mentioned only 8 souls saved?

MaxInDHouse:
LIE!

DEAD people are in their graves awaiting resurrection {John 5:28-29} it's fallen angels that are imprisoned according to God's word!

So it's fallen angels that Noah preached to who disobeyed him and were flooded by water?

Michael547:
Lol....baba I am with you na......show me where Peter said 'souls' were in prison......don't run away oo.....what entity does soul and spirit dwell?

Quote and show me where Peter didn't say souls!

Michael547:
So can't you see that sheol and Hades can be used for grave?

What is the Hebrew word used in Ecclesiastics 9:10? That is the question that I am asking you. Don't you agree that hades is hell again?

Even AI said they're often used interchangeably but they're not the same. It went ahead to state the differences. Are you an illiterate?

MaxInDHouse:
But the reference says Shoel, Hades and Grave means the same thing nah!

I know you're not sincere. Now, underline the parts that say so!

Michael547:
🤣🤣🤣false teacher cannot prove what entity the soul and spirit dwell.
Can you kindly show me where Peter mentioned 'souls' as those who were in prisons?

False teacher fraudulently disregard the Bible to show forth his demonic doctrines on this thread.

How many things should I teach you. I've expose your falsehoods long enough!

I should start teaching you again about Spirits, souls and bodies? Create a thread for that and get teachers!

Michael547:
What is the Hebrew word for grave according to the Hebrews interlinear?

Perhaps you don't have hands to search for it yourself.

This is meta AI!

Michael547:
Bring your evidence against those translations

Check the Hebrews interlinear if you want to learn. It's grave. Not hell.

MaxInDHouse:
Except Jonah!

Show me the pit where Jonah went.

Michael547:
Which entity? Explain

I'm not here to teach you that!

I'm here to show you that spirits in prison were the souls of those who disobeyed the preaching of Noah according to Peter!

MaxInDHouse:
Revelations is not events that happened but prophecies to be studied and understood! Revelations 22:18-19

And what do prophecies do? They deceive events that will happen!

MaxInDHouse:
Grave means the realm of the dead that's why Jonah referred to the belle of whale as his own grave or hell:

Out of my distress I called out to Jehovah, and he answered me. Out of the depths of the Grave I cried for help. You heard my voice. Jonah 2:2 NWT

And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. KJV

‭
He said: “In my distress I called to the Lord, and he answered me. From deep in the realm of the dead I called for help, and you listened to my cry. NIV‬

Humble yourself and learn!

Grave is the pit. Everyone knows that .

Michael547:
Is soul and spirit the same?

They dwell in the same entity.

Michael547:
The blood of Abel also cried. So where does the Bible teach in Revelation and Genesis that it was a 'spirit' that was crying?

Genesis says blood cried.

Revelation said Souls cried.

So, what are you saying?

In both scenarios, dead people are active!

Michael547:
Which can rightly be translated as hades and hell according to the versions below
Ecc
9:10
Bible

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Nope!

Michael547:
The blood of Abel also cried. So where does the Bible teach in Revelation and Genesis that it was a 'spirit' that was crying?

Are you deliberately trying to discredit the scriptures?

The Bible says that souls were crying under the altar! Souls of martyrs.

Michael547:
Oga can't you also see the catholic version? Were you not the one that said that hell and Hades means the same thing?

Ecc
9:10
Bible

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Solomon is talking about the grave. Physical pit.

Michael547:
Oga below is Ecclesiastics 9:10.....I did not use my hand to write it.

Ecc
9:10
Bible

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

My dear, where did Solomon say hell?

Michael547:
Oga below is Ecclesiastics 9:10.....I did not use my hand to write it.

Ecc
9:10
Bible

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

I am seeing Hades, not hell. And we know it's best translated hell.

MaxInDHouse:
When talking about Hell/Grave in illustration it means a condition where such ones are rendered inactive before God so Jesus is talking about the condition Pharisees found themselves when the Christ is around, humble Jews who always beg for spiritual food now have it in abundance from Jesus while the Pharisees to whom common Jews do go now found themselves in a condition where they become inactive as John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth kept telling them that they need to drop their positions if they want to be saved that's the meaning of the illustration!

My friend, dead martyrs complained to God in the book of Revelation!

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where Ecclesiastes mentioned physical pit?

Ọmọ the scriptures said: the realm of the dead or grave! Ecclesiastes 9:10

Did you not say Ecclesiastes said grave? Is grave not physical pit or are you now trying to change mouth?

Michael547:
So are you saying that the apostle Peter disagree with Solomon that there is no consciousness in hell?
If you are a Bible student, you would know that the Greek word in 2 Peter 2:4 is not hades which is also known as hell....but Tartarus. Is Tartarus and Hades the same?

Solomon didn't say there's no consciousness in hell, neither did Peter!

Michael547:
So the context in Ecclesiastics does not allow for grave to be translated as hell and Hades? Or what are you talking about? Can't you see that your so-called hell and Hades is also grave?

Abd I've asked you if hell is grave. Peter said that Jesus preached to spirits in hell. Do spirits dwell in the grave?

Jesus said in Revelation 1:18 that He has the keys of death and hell, does grave have keys?

Michael547:
Quote the verse na where Peter said the spirits were in hell.

Quoted several times and even broken down. Quote it to counter me!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus used an ILLUSTRATION it's not real event that's why he never mentioned any good done by the Lazarus not evil deeds of the rich man.

Death: Dead ones not burial.
Hades: Dead ones buried.

If it doesn't happen in reality, that illustration has k leg. Don't you think so? How can Jesus be saying dead people are speaking from hell when they do not do so?

Michael547:
Where does the Bible teach that the spirits were in hell which refers to grave?

Don't ask me stupid questions please.

Peter said Jesus preached to spirits in hell. If hell is same as grave, do spirits reside in the grave?

Michael547:
Oga can't you see that the Word 'grave' is also translated as hell and Hades?

I am waiting for you to prove those translations are manipulative translations.

Ecc
9:10
Bible

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Catholic Public Domain Version
Whatever your hand is able to do, do it
earnestly. For neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge will exist in death,
toward which you are hurrying

King James Bible
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it
with thy might; for there is no work, nor
device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the
grave, whither thou goest.

It's does not matter the translation. In all cases you look at context. Without that one is just being foolish as a Bible reader.

Peter pressed to spirits in hell. Do spirits reside in the grave?

MaxInDHouse:
‭Ecclesiastes 9:10
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.NIV‬

Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. KJV

Ecclesiastes is talking about physical pit. Peter was talking about a spiritual place where spirits are imprisoned!

Michael547:
Oga hades is clearly the grave....your teaching is wrong!
.
Ecc
9:10
Bible

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Catholic Public Domain Version
Whatever your hand is able to do, do it
earnestly. For neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge will exist in death,
toward which you are hurrying

King James Bible
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it
with thy might; for there is no work, nor
device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the
grave, whither thou goest.



Is the grave in the spirit realm?

Why was Jesus preaching to spirits in the hell if hell is the literal physical pit? Do spirits reside in the pit?