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Michael547:
You said .... "The breathe of life returns to God. That doesn't mean God recovered His Spirit from men, otherwise, dead men wouldn't still be called spirits."
Explain.

If your child travels abroad and later returns to you, does that mean you've recovered the sperm that made him a human being? I have explained that already in a former post where I said the spirit returns to God and dwells in God's realm rather than the earthly realm it was once dwelling in.

Can't you see the fallacy in your position? For example, the spirits of just men made perfect returned to God at death, but they still fellowship with us on earth according to Hebrews 12. The spirits of Abraham, Lazarus and the rich man returned to God too. Jesus didn't undermine that in His parable. God didn't recover their spirits to Himself. They remain active beings in the spirit realm where God dwells. They are alive unto Him.

If the faithful men were not resurrected after death, how did they get to heaven?

If they've resurrected, why are their graves still with us? Resurrection is an earthly thing. When a person dies, he can only resurrect on earth. Resurrection does not happen in heaven. Jesus resurrected on earth and went to heaven afterwards. That's the same type of resurrection we'll all experience. Nobody has resurrected yet except Christ. The spirits of just men made perfect are still in their dead state awaiting the day of resurrection, but presently they're alive unto God and do fellowship with us.

Kindly show me where I said that spirits go to the grave. You have been saying here that spirits are in hell. So please bring evidence.[/quote[
Are you not the ones who said people become inactive in the grave once they die? And I've been showing you that there is life and activity beyond the grave.

[quote]oga the question is on you. Show us a single verse in the bible where a spirit went to hades or sheol.

Here are some Bible verses that describe Sheol as the abode of spirits:

1. Psalm 16:10: "For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell [Sheol]; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption."

It shows his soul went to hell but God didn't abandon it there.

2. Psalm 86:13: "For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell [Sheol]."

That's clear enough.

3. Proverbs 15:24: "The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell [Sheol] beneath."

4. Isaiah 14:9-10: "Hell [Sheol] from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations."

5. Ezekiel 32:21: "The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell [Sheol] with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword."

They will even speak from the midst of hell!

Oga what did the spirit say about what will happen to Samuel and his sons?

Why were you saying "did all Saul's children die as the spirit said?" in your previous post as though Samuel said all of Saul's children would die. Samuel said "you and your sons will be with me ..." Talking about Saul and his sons who were in the battlefield with him. The prophecy of Samuel fulfilled to the letter. Even so shockingly that the godly Jonathan didn't escape its fulfillment.

Does God not responding to Saul not show that he did not want to communicate with Saul?

Did God now tell Samuel and any other not to communicate with Saul because He didn't want to? Or is Samuel omniscient to have even known that God was no longer answering Saul in his grave?

If God did not tell Samuel not to communicate back, why did Samuel not talk to saul by himself without a witch medium since he was always free to talk to saul?

Ha! See question! So, dead Samuel should resurrect and go talk to Saul. What's happening with you? And was it Samuel that sought Saul or Saul was the one seeking Samuel?

Are you saying that a witch has the power to call moses and Samuel for me to talk to them today?

Go and ask the witch!

owagbeba:
Do you know any reliable online platform to follow fx rate?

None of them can be said to be reliable because they all have different rates. But I think with this new development, they'll now have uniform rates determined by market forces. I think Aboki Fx is still a good platform to use.

Michael547:
So the breath of life that God gave to Adam is different from his spirit? What is the Hebrew word for spirit and what Hebrew word is translated as breath of life in Genesis 2:7?

Can you show me where I said the breathe of life is different from spirit?

The spirits of men referred to in Hebrews 12:23. Are faithful men of God who have been resurrected and transformed to spirit creatures just like angels in heaven.

Would you show me Bible proof that they have been resurrected? You don't even know what resurrection is all about! And if they've been resurrected, why do you believe that all spirits are inactive and unconscious is the grave? Two questions you must answer.

Where does the Bible teach that spirits of dead men goes to hades after death?

Please ask again. Spirits of dead men actually go to your house after death.

Oga was Saul killed by the Philitines as said by the spirit?
Did all of Saul's children die the next day?

Can you show me where I said all of Saul's children died the next day? Or where Samuel said so?

Since God refused to communicate with Saul, would Samuel disobey God by communicating back to saul through a witch medium?

Did God tell Samuel not to communicate back? And you do not seem to understand that man can only sub while one earth. Man cannot sin in death. Is there any law the God gave to the dead? Did Samuel make any such law?

Can a witch force God or his prophet to communicate with people?

Did you hear that the witch forced anybody? Who exactly did the witch force, and how did she force them?

So are you telling me now that I can talk to the spirit of moses if I go to the house of a witch?

Saul committed sin by talking to the spirit of Samuel. Samuel's spirit didn't sin by responding to Saul.

[quote author= post=133186339]Dubai UAE : the land of crude oil and petroleum?

Na dem go loot the money by themselves,,
e sure us.

This sounds like selling snow to Eskimos.

Btw,
On the list of Oil-producing countries in the world 🌎,
UAE is at number 6 while Nigeria is at number 14 ....[/quote]Please which is this you used for the dollar conversion?

ajepako:
See people that castigated GEJ for N211 dollars in 2015 jubilating over N1600 in 2024

Simply because he is our own tribesman!

What is the meaning of hypocrisy again please?

Did anyone manipulate the dollar rate in 2015? Was it not manipulation that brought the Naira to its knees? Now, the manipulation has been nibbed in the board. We have every reason to be happy.

aylagos:
How much today I need dollar

1,595.

I don't sell dollars, just telling you the current rate.

Michael547:
So where did you find the word soul in Ecclesiastics 12:7 and Psalms 146:4?

You and who are dragging anything in that scripture?

In Ecclesiastics 12:7 and Psalms 146:4, is there any mention of the soul leaving the body at death?
Is there any mention of the spirit going to hades?

I don't know o. You can state what you know.

Below is John 3:13
King James Bible
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Did Jesus say no man 'has gone to and fro' or that no man has ascended into heaven?

What exactly was Jesus talking about there? He was talking about Himself bringing a direct message from the Father. Hence, He was telling the people that no one has ascended to heaven to bring them a message for heaven but He has come from heaven to give them a direct message from the Father.

The bible clearly shows that dead people remain in the grave before resurrection. In Ecclesiastes 12:7, the spirit that returns to God is the breath of life as shown in Psalms 146:4. That is the breath of life that was Given to Adam in Genesis 2:7. The breath of life or spirit came from God to Adam. Does that mean that Adam's spirit was living in heaven with God before being created as man on earth?

The breathe of life returns to God. That doesn't mean God recovered His Spirit from men, otherwise, dead men wouldn't still be called spirits. God is said to be the Father of spirits. Also, in Hebrews 12, we are told that we do fellowship with the spirits of just men made perfect. The spirits of men return to God in the sense that they return to where God has assigned to them in the spirit realm. A spirit cannot be trapped in a grave. A soul cannot be trapped in a grave. Only a body. Many scriptures reveal that spirits of dead people could be active after the death of the body.

So do you think that Samuel would communicate back to saul through a witch medium?

Analyse the scene and discussion: The witch said "I saw gods ascending out of the earth" - Does that look a demon to you? Did Samuel not berate Saul for disturbing him? Did he not remind him of his prophecies and warning? Did he not rebuke him for his disobedience? Did he not tell him his hour of final judgement has come and that he and his sons would die same day? Did it not happen exactly? Does a demon reprove anyone of disobedience to God? Does a demon proclaim the judgement of God on those who err as Samuel did Saul? Did the scripture not say that Samuel himself was the one who came up? The woman didn't even know she was interacting with Saul until she saw Samuel.

1 Samuel 28:11-14

"Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.

And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.

And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself."

Did the Scriptures indicate in anyway that it was a fake Samuel?

If it was not Samuel, Saul will know!

Janosky:
Whatever it is that makes you so childish and stupid, it really works.

Your IBERIBEISM is very neusating.

"For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool."

Michael547:
Oga bring out the word soul from the two Bible verse since you've refused to answer if soul and spirit means the same thing. I don't know where you saw soul in the two bible verse that I gave you.

When did I say spirit and soul mean the same thing?

From the two bible verse I gave you in Ecclesiastics 12:7 and Psalms 146:4. Does any of those verse claims that the spirit goes to the grave or to hell?

I think you're confused. Come out and state what you're hitting at. I don't see anything wrong in those verses regarding everything I've said here. Your question does not look logical to me.

We're you not the dead are inactive and unconscious in the grave? I told you that the grave is not the final abide of the Spirit and soul of man. They don't even go there. Only the body does. The spirit and soul return to the spirit realm where God assigns them - heaven, Hades or wherever within the realms of the Spirit.

In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, if Abraham was truly in heaven, how do you explain Jesus's word in John 3:13. When did Abraham get to heaven?

In John 3:13, Jesus is saying no one on has gone to and fro heaven but He is the Only one who has both descended and ascended. He was talking about physical people and making them know they do not have the ability to physically go to heaven and return with a message for earth. But He has descended from there with a message from heaven and would ascend back there once done. People like Elijah and probably Enoch have ascended but they never descended with a message from heaven. Jesus was not talking about dead people in that statement.

Or are you saying dead people remain in the grave and don't ascend? Then you're also quoting scriptures that say their spirits return to God. You're confused and that's why I find your questions insulting. Whatever you have to say, say it plead. Stop asking me useless questions. I can't understand exactly what your opinion is. Just queries upon queries with no end in sight.

In the case of Samuel and saul, why did God forbid the isrealite from communicating with the dead if it was truly Samuel that was speaking? Tell us where Samuel was speaking from using the bible.

God did not create any relations between the dead and the living. Anyone who creates such a relationship is sinning. Is that not already clear?

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible said the other body has been CORRUPTED yet you're saying that's the body Jesus resurrected with even though his disciples couldn't recognize him!

Well their inner eyes couldn't recognize him until he began acting like their master so the body wasn't the same!

Yet it has the same holes and features!

Hey, I'm done with you. If you like use your eternity to play dice. I've given you the best advice anyone can give you - find a seat, and think deeply about your eternity.

Bye!!

MaxInDHouse:
The same body the Bible said has been CORRUPTED! 1Corinthians 15:42-44

You better go and sit down and think about your eternity!

Michael547:
Where does Ecclesiastics 12:7 and Psalms 146:4 mention the word 'soul'? Kindly bring it out.

And why's that important for me to bring it out?

Does Hebrews 12:23 speaks of conscious spirits in hell as you have been claiming?

Are you not the one claiming all spirits are in the grave and unconscious? Can't you see this busts your lies? Where did I say that hell is the only place where we can find spirits?

Bring out evidence of the word 'spirit' or 'soul' in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. Bring out evidence of the word 'hell' in the passage of Samuel and saul.

Absolute nonsense. I don't know why you behave this way.

The Parable was featured in heaven and hell. So, what type of beings were the 3 entities mentioned?

Tell us where Samuel was talking from. Let's hear your weird opinion. But be rest assured that it would be countered with the true Word of God.

MaxInDHouse:
Even the females that goes to his grave? John 20:15-16

Didn't I say it? Hater of truth. What has female or make giot to do with it? The females too didn't recognize him. Infact when He was talking to Mary, Mary thought she was conversing with the gardener.

The guys on the road to Emaus too never knew until He disappeared. He even are bread and drank with them!

Michael547:
Oga please read Ecclesiastics 12:7 and psalms 146:4 to know what happens when a person dies. Is the soul and spirit the same?

This I have explained in my very first posts on this thread. I also stated why some souls are not in silence.

In Hebrews 12:23, is that place talking about 'spirits' of dead people in hell or faithful men who have been transformed to spirits creatures in heaven?

Faithful men of course. To let you know that not all spirits are silent and unconscious after death.

Kindly provide evidence from your claims that the parable of Lazarus and the rich man and also that of saul and Samuel.

Evidence for what?

MaxInDHouse:
Why couldn't his disciples recognize him nah?

If I answer you will you accept? Of cause no. You're not asking for truth sake, your mind is made up on lies!

Here you go:

Luke 24:16: "But their eyes were holden that they should not know him."

Michael547:
In the book of Revelation, is it the 'spirit' of people that were crying in hell or the 'souls' of martyrs that was crying under the altar?

In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, where did Jesus say that it was the 'spirit' of the rich man and Lazarus that was in hades and the blossom of Abraham?
Why was the rich man asking for water since he was not with his body in hades? Do spirits drink water?

In the case of saul and Samuel, does the Bible say that Samuel was speaking from hell? Why did God forbade the isrealites from trying to communicate with the dead in Deuteronomy 18:11 if conscious spirits of dead people actually exist?

What sort of useless questions are these.

Human have spirits, souls and bodies. When the body dies, the spirit and soul is alive in the spirit realm. Hence you can refer to that individual as a soul and as a spirit.

In Hebrews 12:23, we are told that we fellowship with the Spirits of Just men made perfect. The word Made Perfect is talking about the men who have died. Infact the book calls them a cloud of witnesses who keep urging us on to our eternal rewards.

Foolish question. I need to say this because you've asked so many of them that I've ignored. Please choose your questions wisely next time. I don't need to answer that foolish question querying if Jesus said it was the spirit of the spirits of Abraham, Lazarus and the rich man that are in hell. No it was not their spirit, it was your spirit.

The Samuel question is another foolish question. Samuel was actually speaking from your house I guess.

MaxInDHouse:
This is what the scriptures say!

1Corinthians 15:45

That's why his disciples who knew him very well couldn't recognize him again because it's not the body they knew!

He resurrected with His body. The life giving Spirit dwells in that resurrected body. We too will resurrect with that same type of body if we die before Jesus comes.

MaxInDHouse:
Where did the scriptures say this?

Ha!

1. Jesus doesn't preach to any other being except men. Men are the only reason why He came to earth, died and resurrected. Only men.

2. Peter clearly said He preached to the disobedient people who refused to enter the ark in the days of Noah. Very very clear. Clearer than 7up!

Michael547:
Lol...please provide a verse that shows that people go to hell as living spirits?

Please explain the difference between hell and grave even though they are both from the same Hebrew word Sheol?

My God, it's all over the Bible. I have cited the Parable of Abraham, Lazarus and the rich man. I've cited the Book of Revelation where there were souls under the altar. I've cited Saul and Samuel. And there are several other scriptures which I cannot presently remover that makes us know that men turn to spirits when they die. Even Maxindhouse once said Jesus resurrected as a spirit before he was shown the scriptures that proves Jesus resurrected as a living body. It shows you guys know the truth but you want lies to prevail!

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying that if we dig the grave of Abraham today we can still find his body?

Why are you this funny?

Won't maggots eat up the body of people in their graves?

We'll find his bones my brother!

Meanwhile, the fish that swallowed Jonah is no longer to be found anywhere anymore in the universe! How's that a grave? Hen?

MaxInDHouse:
How many times do i have to do that?

Angels left their abode in heaven and came down to have SEX with female humans {Genesis 6:1-2} the unnatural mating led to the birth of notorious giants {Genesis 6:4} this giants terrorised the inhabited earth and many people turned to violence {Genesis 6:5} God told Noah to build an Ark for obedient and peace loving humans but only his family listened to him.

God sent heavy rain for 40 days and 40 nights so that all living things on dry land were wiped off except those inside the Ark with Noah.

The angels dropped off their materialized bodies and returned to heaven the spirit realms but God didn't allow them to join His loyal spirit sons again and they were disengaged awaiting judgement.

Abeg what is difficult to grasp in this?

Humans died according to God's word that sinners will pay with their lives {Genesis 2:17} and that has cleared their sins since they have paid with their human lives {Romans 6:7} but angels who can't die naturally are reserved for the day of judgement. 1Peter 3:18-20; 2Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6

They are the spirits that the death of Jesus has a deep meaning for because he was one of the spirit sons of God and they don't know that it's possible for them to die like humans since they are like God in nature! Psalms 82:6-7

Very wobbled Theology. I cannot stop laughing.

Hey, the angels who did not keep their first estate are still imprisoned in eternal chains and darkness. Take note, ETERNAL CHAINS AND DARKNESS

Here's the scripture:

Jude 1:6:

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

They remain there even after the resurrection of Jesus. Their fate is ETERNAL. No preaching to them. Okay?

Jesus came to earth, became man, died and resurrected all because of MAN. No, angels were not included in the plan of salvation!

If the fallen angels of Noah's days are the ones Peter was referring to, then, they should no longer be under chains. They should be free but actually, they're Perpetually chained in eternal darkness. Jesus didn't go to preach to them. It's absolutely useless! They're there waiting for the day of judgement. That's sound biblical doctrine.

The spirits Jesus preached to in prison are men. The spirits of men and not those of fallen angels.

I have a lot of shockers still waiting for you if you think you can continue peddling this false doctrine and not get yourself to blame in the end. Why do you hate the truth this much?

MaxInDHouse:
He wasn't dead but it could have been his end if God didn't intervene that's why Revelations 20:13 said the sea gave up the dead in them because many people were eaten by fish so if Jonah wasn't miraculously rescued that would have been his own GRAVE!

Fish is not grave. Anything that ends up in the belly of a fish goes through a digested process and gets excreted out. Your analogy is very illogical. Fish is not grave!

Michael547:
Since living people do not go to hell, is there consciousness in sheol?

Why are you so confused?

Are lining people the only conscious beings in the universe?

People don't go to hell as living bodies. They go to hell as living spirits.

MaxInDHouse:
Jonah is in his GRAVE because that is a place of inactivity which could have been his real grave if not for God's intervention.
That's why the Bible says there is no activity in SHEOL (Hebrew) HADES (Greek) HELL (English) where DEAD people goes! Ecclesiastes 9:10

Yet he cried and prayed in the grave, the place of inactivity. May God have mercy on you guys!

MaxInDHouse:
Peter never said Jesus went to Hell to preach to DEAD souls!

Explain the scripture in your own language and I'll counter you if it doesn't follow sound interpretation.

Michael547:
🤣🤣🤣🤣baba you never bring anything out oo....we still dey wait for you to bring out hades and hell from 1 Peter 3:18-20.

Ok, keep waiting.

Michael547:
Oga your king James translation used hell according to context. Does that not tell you that sheol can be translated as hell? Yes or no?

What is the meaning of hell in that context of Jonah 2:2?

Yeah, rightly translated hell. It was a figurative expression to let us know the harrowing experience he went through in the belly of the fish.

He wasn't in a literal hell or grave since he was not dead at the time. Or you want to tell us that living people go to hell?

This Jonah verse here further proves that the word Sheol should be understood according to context.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ your gymnastics is over!

You've been thoroughly exposed as false Christians!

Michael547:
Oga bring it out....Na you dey teach us.....show us where 'Hell' or 'Hades' appears in 1 Peter 3:18-20. I have not found it. You claim it is there. So bring it out.

The ones I've brought out what did you do with them? Why are you afraid to bring it out yourself?

Michael547:
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Which one is belly of hell again? Is the belly of hell not in hell? You funny oo. Do you agree that sheol means grave and hell according to your beloved king James version? Yes or no?

I have told you that the word is translated according to the context.

Was Jonah dead? How then could he be in the grave? Think, my friend!

Michael547:
So what does it mean in Jonah 2:2?

Below is king James version in Jonah 2:2....the same king James version that used 'grave' in Ecclesiastics 9:10.

King James Bible
And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Belly of hell is best translation for Jonah 2:2. Jonah was not dead. He was only recounting an hellish ordeal!

Michael547:
Show us where there is hell or hades in 1 Peter 3:18-20. We are waiting.

Quote it and prove me wrong!