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MaxInDHouse:
So if dead people are unconscious then how can Jesus who was DEAD be crying nah?

You should answer your question.

Do you now agree that dead people are conscious and that Jesus was there preaching to imprisoned spirits?

MaxInDHouse:
It simply means you don't understand what i'm saying.

Dead people are unconscious so it was during his life time that Jesus was crying to God who can save him from death!

No. That wasn't what you said! This is what you said again in the screenshot below. It was my exposition that is causing you to change mouth.

You were even quoting Ecclesiastes to support that dead people are unconscious in the grave including Jesus!

Please stop all these lies.

MaxInDHouse:
If i meant the dead are unconscious then how can Jesus be crying when he's dead?

That was one of the flaws of your argument that I just decided to ignore!

MaxInDHouse:
Since you know how to EDIT posts and reply to what suits you it's OK!

So, tell me how I edited your post?

You lying demonic personality who has no regard for the Word God.

I presented your post as is. No addition, no substraction. No edits!

The two other posts where you made erroneous assertions, I corrected them by striking out your errors with lines, and indicating that your post was fixed.

Here I presented everything you said as is, and I've responded according to the true Word of God to dismantle your web of lies and deception!

MaxInDHouse:
You just misquote people to make you happy shey?
It's not in the grave that people cry but when they see death coming and that's what Jesus who has lived for unknown years was crying for because he knew he's going to be DEAD for three days!

Very dubious and demic lying personality!

I didn't misquote you! I've added the screenshots of what you typed with your hands. You said Jesus was crying and begging God in the grave! After I exposed you liar with the Word of Truth, you started saying I misquoted you. Please get out of here! There's no single truth in your life!

The memories of dead people are wiped out as they are no more that's what God's word is saying but the point that's made clear here is they don't know anything because they are DEAD!

The memories of them are forgotten in the land of the living. No one remembers them any more! That's what the Bible says!

That wasn't Samuel but a demon pretending to be dead Samuel {2Corinthians 11:14} dead people don't have anything to do again! Ecclesiastes 9:10

Quote the scriptures that say it was a demon!

To God they are alive because He has everything about them in record and He will bring them back to life during the resurrection {John 5:28-29 compare to Job 14:13-15} He said death (state of inactivity) is the reward for sin {Romans 6:23 compare to Genesis 2:17} so Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are DEAD in their graves awaiting resurrection they never went to heaven! John 8:30

They're alive to God because He has their records, and He'll bring them back to life. Are you a kid?

He is a God of the living, for they all live unto Him. That's why we see Abraham and Lazarus in that parable conversing with the rich man. They were consciously in dialogue!

God raised DEAD as in inactive Jesus from the grave!

The scriptures say He was put to death in His body but made alive in the Spirit. He was not inactive! He went there on a mission! The dead resurrected and walked the streets of Jerusalem as an aftermath of that mission.

Humble yourself, sit down, and well teach you the true Word of God. The true Word of God will knock out the doctrines of demons from your head, and the lying spirit from your soul.

Only sinners die for their sins so Jesus' death is unjustified going by God's standard which says only sinners pay with their lives that's why it's impossible for death to hold a sinless person like Jesus at ransom.

Now, you're talking!

Death could not hold a sinless person like Jesus in the grave. Death could not even silence Him. Death had no power over Him because He was sinless. Hence, He was an active Spirit in the grave where He preached to those spirits who were in prison.

Jesus was killed in the flesh but at resurrection he became a life giving spirit {1Corinthians 15:45} Paul wasn't talking about while Jesus was still dead rather he became a spirit at his resurrection! 1Corinthians 15:42-44

The talk was entirely about His death and not His resurrection. Put to death in the body, but made alive in the Spirit. If he was talking about His resurrection, then He'll say "raised to life in the Spirit." But no, that's not what he said "Put to death in the body but MADE ALIVE (while in the same dead body state) in the Spirit. Dead body, living Spirit.

Jesus actually resurrected with His dead body. The nails and the hole made by the spares were still visible on His body. When others thought He was a spirit, Jesus Himself said in Luke 24:39:

"Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."

Jesus was not resurrected as a spirit! But in His dead state, He had a dead body that was MADE ALIVE in the Spirit. Being alive in the Spirit, He was actively preaching to those spirits who were in prison!

You can learn more if only you are willing Jesus was DEAD for those three days nowhere was he actively involved in anything at death so Peter wasn't talking about a literal preaching done only by the living and for the living!

Just humble yourself and learn, and get rid of all the falsehoods and lies that have been formulated to get you into hell by all means!

MaxInDHouse:
Doctrines of demons that's uniting millions as ONE just as Jesus prayed {John 17:22} against the Son of God whom we relegated to be angel Michael while yours is useless a united front of all believers worldwide leaving you without brethren to call your own whom you call your brethren! Matthew 12:46-50

Fixed!

MaxInDHouse:
Demonic doctrines that's making millions to do the work Jesus satan assigned zealously and with all industriousness shey?
Continue deceiving yourself telling the truth!

Fixed!

[quote author=johnw47 post=133138566][/quote]"For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool."

This is a direct Word that captures their actions so well, particularly janosky. Thanks for the Word!

MaxInDHouse:
You're really amusing me now!

How can you continue using the word "WE" yet you don't GATHER with other worshipers?

Well in our RELIGION we are brothers under a commander {Matthew 23:10} whose words we hold with high esteem we do everything manly possible to stick to his words {Matthew 15:8-9} not what people like you think that's why i'm quoting him each time you call us "CULT" {Matthew 10:24-25} but what really amuses me now is how you've used the word "WE" when you can't present your fellow believers with whom you share the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3}

Ọmọ WE are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the group Jesus was talking about! Matthew 5:14-16

No, you're charlatans. A cult where demonic doctrines are constantly taught!

MaxInDHouse:
Humble yourself and learn! Zephaniah 2:2-3

Learn what?

Doctrines of demons?

MaxInDHouse:
What Jesus WENT to do inside the grave where he was CRYING as in SWEATING like BLOOD BEGGING God to save him from the DEATH {Hebrews 5:7}

The thrash you're learning in your cult is nauseating, honestly. You're quoting Hebrews 5:7 to claim Jesus was crying in the grave? If someone is deceiving you, should you deceive yourself?

But since you're not hiding behind boring questions like your Michael, I would answer you.

This is Hebrews 5:7

"In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence".

First what do you understand by the bolded "In the days of His flesh." That's talking about when He was still alive. You're currently in the days of your flesh because you're still alive. Once death comes to man, he is no longer in the days of his flesh. So, when did Jesus cry and supplicate according to this verse? In the days of His flesh!

So, how come you now interpret the days of His flesh to mean the grave? This place in Hebrews in describing the Gethsemane prayers he prayed just before He was crucified.

so you're claiming he went there to preach to dead people that the Bible said can't do anything in the grave! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Now let's examine Ecclesiastes 9:5

5 "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten."

Now, tell me where the dead have no further reward. On earth or in the grave? Also tell me where their names are forgotten. On earth or in the grave?

The have no further rewards on earth among the living. Their names are forbidden among the living and not among the dead.

The scriptures you quoted does not address the point you are making. Saul communicated with Samuel when he was dead. So, how then is it impossible for the Lord of lords and the King of kings to communicate with them when He was in the same spiritual state and realm as they were?

Listen, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are dead but Jesus while addressing the Pharisees who call God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob while seeing these 3 as dead people, Jesus told them:

Here's the scripture with the additional phrase:

Luke 20:38:

"For to him all are alive. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for they all live unto him."

Ọmọ God raised Jesus from a condition where he was helpless! Act 5:30

You should have quoted it out. Why hide behind mere references? Acts 5:30 says:

"The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree."

Can you show me how that verse says Jesus was helpless in the grave? These guys won't cease to amaze me. You're actually indeed, members of the cult of Satan who seeks to make men see Jesus as a powerless and weak personality who is not mighty enough to save. But the Bible states otherwise, yet you are pushing your falsehood to the surface to deceive unstable souls.

Acts 2:24 says of Jesus:

"Whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it."

It was actually impossible for death to hold Jesus. He was not helpless there:
Here's the scripture:

1 Peter 3:18:
"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit."

He was put to death in the body but in the Spirit, He was alive!

So continue calling us CULT after all you don't GATHER with fellow religionists because you don't want to be called CULT or RELIGIONIST! Matthew 10:24-25; 33

Of course, you're a cult, I just exposed your cult right now.

Michael547:
Lol....because you claimed that Jesus went to preach to imprisoned spirits there. So is hell a place of consciousness? How do you know that the prison is in hell?

No, the prison is your house the place of consciousness.

Michael547:
So is the prison in the lower parts of the earth? If yes, where did Peter say so?

Go and ask Peter please!

MaxInDHouse:
According to the scriptures Jesus taught us in words {Matthew 6:5-6} and action {Luke 22:41-42} to pray alone to our father when it comes to what is PERSONAL.
So like Jesus we expect help from God who will send His angels to assist us in doing His will {Luke 22:43} those are the ones working with Philip {Revelations 14:6} as he wants to do God's will when others are not around to work with him.
But when it's time for the part of Jesus he can't do that alone expecting Jesus to join him in the baptism of Holy Spirit that's why others must join him to fulfill what Jesus promised them! Matthew 18:20

Once again you're welcome!

Please we are practical christians. We practice the true Word of God. Not this heretic one you're preaching. We have the results to show for it!

I'm tired of all these heresies. Please just stop it!

MaxInDHouse:
That's why Michael was using questions to tell you that you don't understand what you are saying!

Jesus was DEAD for three days so according to God's word he can't do anything in death! Ecclesiastes 9:10

So it wasn't a literal preaching that he was doing at death and as for the spirits they are not dead people since the dead can't know anything! Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

Please carry your heresy away!

Several scriptures tell us what He went to do!

You don't understand anything about the Bible so you should stick to your cult.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was DEAD for those three days so he can't say a word to anyone according to the scriptures {Ecclesiastes 9:10} that means the preaching wasn't done literally rather his death is like warning to those spirits!

Okay.

😂

We should believe you even when the Scriptures says He descended to the lower parts of the earth, preached to the sprits in prison.

Too much lies full your mouth!

Michael547:
So are you saying that there is no punishment in hell? If yes, what is the condition of hell, is there consciousness there?

Why should that be my concern?

MaxInDHouse:
No problem after all Jesus has foretold that we will be called a CULT for strictly obeying him as his students {Matthew 10:24-25} however the truth has been said.
Phillip ran away due to the PERSECUTION that scattered the disciples {Act 8:3} that's why he was alone but when it comes to baptizing in holy Spirit things must be done right that's why others must join Philip before Jesus who baptizes with Holy Spirit will be there to play his own part. Matthew 18:20

Thanks for your time!

In a nutshell, Jesus was not with him when he was alone. He was only with him when he was in a gathering. You're a cult indeed!

Thank you and good day!

MaxInDHouse:
The bone of contention is WHY GATHERING if they can practice their faith individually without having to GATHER with fellow believers?

Jesus taught his disciples that they must be in twos or more before they can expect him to join them in furthering the work so after they were SCATTERED each have to run away as far as they could go from where Paul could reach them which is the reason why Philip was alone.

Now after PREACHING and TEACHING those in Samaria who were Israelites and familiar with certain scriptures they accepted what they heard from him because they have seen and heard Jesus spoke to them before then {John 4:39-42} that's why they needed to be baptized but then how are they going to be baptized in the Holy Spirit?
Jesus is the only person who can do that {John 1:33} so things must be done right before Jesus who baptizes with Holy Spirit will come to join them! Matthew 18:20

Abeg go and sit down. It can be very annoying to be dealing with a liar.

We were discussing that Christ is with us whether individually or in togetherness. That was my point. You disagreed, and I showed you the Scripture where Jesus promised to be with us individually till the end of time. You said He was with them in pairs, and I showed you that they're not always in pairs.

Anyway, I've agreed with you that Christ is not with you as a person. That's actually correct. Otherwise you would not be lying willfully.

But, hey, Christ is with me and in me!

MaxInDHouse:
He is asking fundamental questions that should lead Bible readers to know the condition of the dead!

You said it's the spirit of dead people that are imprisoned according to Peter but the Bible teaches that nothing survives humans at death {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} and it's the breath of life in all creatures that returns to God at death {Ecclesiastes 12:7} which means the breath of ants, cockroaches, mosquitoes and other animals is the same as that of humans! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

So the SPIRITS in prison aren't dead people but some other creatures.

That's what you need to ask not quarrelling to cover up your ignorance that won't help you!

Okay, so Jesus came to save other creatures apart from man? Lol.

Peter was actually addressing Humans in his letter and telling humans what Jesus did for humans in His 3 days of death. Okay.

Tell me that "some other creatures" your heretic cult has indoctrinated you with! You must mention the creatures Jesus was preaching to.

Michael547:
See this funny man oo🤣🤣🤣.....so hell and hell fire is different according to your teaching? If yes, explain the difference.

Hell is sometimes interchanged for Hades. When the fire is added to it, it's talking about eternal punishment.

That's why we have the words 'Hell' and 'Hellfire".

MaxInDHouse:
That has been resolved according to the Bible that's why others were sent to join him in doing it right!

Nonesense! Blatant heresy!

They were there to baptized the people in the Holy Ghost!

State the scriptures that say they were sent to join him in doing it right. Did they join him in him in doing it right with the Ethiopian too?

Michael547:
Below in the screenshot is your statement in the paragraph that I marked. You clearly stated that christ preached to the imprisoned spirits in hell. Please where is this hell, is it different from hell fire? Are humans spirits?

Did I say hellfire? You accused me of saying hellfire!

MaxInDHouse:
He wasn't evangelizing the right way going by Jesus' standard he supposed to do it in PAIRS that's why help was sent to join him otherwise there's no need sending others to join him if he was doing the right thing all along!

Okay, so go and teach him how to Evangelise the right way.

Bye!

Michael547:
I don't know who preached to and why....and I don't know the prison...you can provide answer to those questions according to the scriptures. If you don't provide the answer, it means your former sermon was not correct. You've also refused to answer if humans are spirits.

Go back to my post and see what I've said. You have the right to counter me. I've addressed them. If you still don't understand what I wrote, go meet your pastors.

You clearly said that the imprisoned spirits were in hell. Don't deny your statement.

Just post where I said that. I mentioned 3 possible places the spirits of the dead go. Show me where I specifically stated that those in the scripture you quoted are in hellfire?

Michael547:
1 Peter 3:19 clearly said that Jesus went to preach to spirits in prison. I ask you again, Are humans spirits? Does the prison refer to hell fire?

Please who did Jesus preach to, and why? And let us know the prison for spirits.

I didn't call the prison hellfire. I said a place of silence.

Michael547:
Peter said spirits....you claim that they refer to dead people....so please are humans spirits?

What did he say about the spirits? Can you quote the scripture? Did he just mention spirits?

Michael547:
If your opinion is correct, show me where Peter said the spirits were spirit of dead people. Show me where he said the prison referred to hell fire. How did the spirits get to hell fire in the first place? Who sent them there?

Show me where Peter said the spirits are not spirits of dead people.

Michael547:
Why should you hear my opinion before you know whether your own opinion is correct or not. If your opinion is correct, you would be able to answer those important questions.

My opinion is correct. If you think it's not, share yours!

MaxInDHouse:
Just say you don't know because i know him very well and he knows me too!

I'm answering you because you're sharing opinions and not asking stupid questions. If he has nothing to say, he should get out and stop asking me questions. I'm not here to answer his questions. I've been answering him since yesterday even though his questions are very boring. But I can no longer entertain his boring questions.

MaxInDHouse:
According to the scriptures i quoted before was Philip alone?

NO!

It was PERSECUTION that scattered them {Act 8:3} that's why Philip continued his preaching alone but under normal circumstances they supposed to go preaching in PAIRS {Act 8:13} that's why the Apostles sent more disciples to join Philip and Simon {Act 8:14} Jesus commissioned the work for only one person to go preaching.

In my religion under normal circumstances we must follow Jesus' order to go out in PAIRS but when there is chaos each of us may do the work so as not to call attention since the enemies of our religion knows how we often operate in PAIRS.

In the scripture you quoted, was Philip Evangelising?

Please stop wasting my time if you're not truth oriented!

MaxInDHouse:
Ask what you don't know God often use humans to answer some questions! Act 2:37

Then he should ask God and perhaps God will use me to answer the questions!

The ones he asked me which I have answered are already enough.