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MaxInDHouse:
Of course because that's how Jesus commissioned the work, the Ethiopian Eunuch already believe the scriptures it's only the understanding he doesn't have that's why Phillips has to run along to ask him if he needs help to understand what he was reading not that Philip went preaching alone.

Was it only the Ethiopian he preached to? Was he the only one who preached alone in the Bible?

Kobojunkie:
Disguising to be a follower of Jesus Christ of Israel who made it clear that only those who are of the literal bloodline of Jacob can partake of the Mercy of David that is He and His Kingdom? How does that work? 🤔

Religion is indeed for those willing to bash their own heads in for free for the sake of lies and delusions! 🤠

You've gotten my attention now. Is that not what you seek?

Okay now, please go and sit down!

Michael547:
Lol....can you kindly show me where apostle Peter said that the spirits were spirits of dead people and that they were imprisoned in hell fire?

How did they get to hell fire in the first place? Who sent them there?

Your questions are none of my business. You've been asking me questions upon questions since yesterday. I'm not on Nairaland to teach you the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus organized his disciples to go preaching in PAIRS! Mark 6:7; Luke 10:1


WORSHIP is the same as RELIGION since people GATHER to WORSHIP TOGETHER!

Did Philip sin by going to preach alone? You're just a religionist. You don't know God.

Worship is not the same as religion. Stop lying!

Kobojunkie:
Of course, everything that rattles the foundation of the delusions you hold, you must associate with demons in order that you may continue wallowing in ignorance.,👍

I'm way ahead of you in the things of God. You're just a demon possessed fellow who worships Satan while disguising to be a follower of Jesus.

You're not part of the Kingdom. So, go fellowship with your fellow satanists and leave the Bible alone!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus' disciples need to go out and preach the Kingdom of God {Matthew 10:7} the man saw Jesus performing miracles and used his name to cast out demons but he wasn't sent by Jesus that's what his disciples couldn't understand.


That's not what makes him Jesus' disciples many will do the same yet Jesus will say he doesn't know them! Matthew 7:21-23


Phillip used to GATHER with other worshipers! Act 6:5

Did Philip go preach in pairs? You're not truthful!

Michael547:
Where does Apostle Peter claim that the spirit he talked about were spirits of dead people in hell fire?

Who sent those spirit to hell fire in the first place? Were they not judged before they went there? So how did some of those spirits go to heaven again after been Judged to go to hell fire to burn forever according to your teaching?

The spirits are imprisoned in your house I suppose.

Just answer your own questions by yourself. I don't answer illogical questions except you can show me you're kid.

Kobojunkie:
None of the books in the Bible ever alluded to any of what you claim here. It is 2024, Kickstart your brains abeg and try to separate the delusions fed you by your pastors from what is stated/written in the book by the various authors.

You wish to believe the story Peter told of imprisoned spirits but why would you go and add your own idea which is that the spirits belonged to dead people? Are dead people— assuming they are spirits as well— imprisoned?

You demon possessed fellow. Get out of here!

Dtruthspeaker:
Proof of iff point? Now i know you are mad.

Modified!
I now understand why you talk and think like a mad person and why you lie and twist like a serpent, your madnessa and stupidity of being. a muslim still flows in your soul, so you still not yet normal and you still need plenty of help. I hope Ten Q and Steep and co can help remove your madness.

Off point!

You think you can prove I went off point by abusing me? Lol.

After your lies and falsehoods about Saul abd David were dismantled you became bitter and exposed the sinful fruits that you bear.

My friend, I have shown you from the Scriptures that:

1. There was nothing special about David. He was a humble man always repenting and seeing himself as a nobody before God, hence God lifted him up. God is a God of principles. Once you meet His criteria, you'll curry His favour. Anyone can apply David's secrets to his own life and have David's results. The secrets of David are in the histories of his life and the Psalms but many readers are blind. They can't see. May God open our eyes!

2. Saul was an arrogant man who loved the praises of men more than the commendation of God. He sinned, was shown his sin but he never repented. Instead, he sought to be honoured, got the honour and went on sinning all his life. He murdered all the priests of Nob, murdered the Gibeonites and spent all his life pursuing a small boy to kill him. Eventually, he died after experimenting with witchcraft and necromancy.

3. Saul sinned against God, not Samuel but he was asking Samuel to forgive him just because he wanted to calm him down so he would make sacrifices with him and not be embarrassed before the people. If you sin against God, ask forgiveness from God and not man. If you sin against man, ask forgiveness from God and man. That is the way to live the life of a Victor.

For example, you sinned against me by calling me mad, you must seek forgiveness from me and then ask God also to forgive you. That's the only way you could be forgiven. As long as you do not seek my forgiveness and God's, that idle word you have spoken would be used against you on the day of judgement. The devil would also use it constantly to accuse you before God, even now. Once you ask God for forgiveness, it will be bloated out of your heavenly records. Erased by the blood of Jesus. You've sinned against God and man. It will be futile of you to only ask man for forgiveness without asking God. In the case of Saul, he sinned against God alone, not man, but he was asking man for forgiveness. That's not repentance. Add this to your knowledge of God.

4. I have also shown you that Esau didn't sin by marrying more than one wife. Infact Boaz, Elkannah, David, etc had multiple wives. God Himself added many wives to the ones David already had, and even promised to give him more if he wanted more. There's no law of God that says marrying multiple wives is a sin. Not even the law of Moses. However, we are enjoined as Christians to marry one wife so that we can be focused and dedicated in our service to God while avoid the distractions of polygamy. David is still called "a man after God's heart". He is also the only one who has what we know as "the sure mercies of David." His many wives not withstanding. In the same vein Abraham didn't sin by marrying Keturah whom he married only after the death of Sarah.

5. I also did show you that there was no law of God concerning marriage before Moses and after Moses. Hence, claiming that Esau broke the law that God gave them by marrying a Canaanite is thrash. Moses himself married from Midian. That was before the law. Ruth was a Moabitess. She became the matriarch of the lineage that produced our Lord Jesus Christ.

6. Hey, do not forget also that Moses sinned and asked God for forgiveness and God forgave him. That your narrative that God never forgave Moses is false. Even baby christians won't talk like that. God denying him Canaan was a matter of His principles and policy. Moses continued to have a robust relationship with God until he died. Infact, God instructed him to see Canaan from the top of Pisgah. There he died and there, God buried him by Himself. If you actually know what that means.

From my interactions with you, you have a very shallow knowledge of scriptures. You also lack spiritual maturity and depth. Your emotional intelligence is also zero. I'll advice you to go and develop yourself.

May God give you peace and grant you victory over the spirit of bitterness in your life in Jesus name.

MaxInDHouse:
The man preaching alone was sent by who?

Did Jesus ask that of His disciples before endorsing the man? Or what type of question is that?

Jesus didn't send the man he was simply saying what he knew about Jesus according to the scriptures.

Can you quote the verse you fetched this lie from? The man was casting out devils in Christ's name!

Christians were sent by Jesus and he appointed them to go in PAIRS! Mark 6:7; Luke 10:1

And so what? Was Philip sinning by preaching alone?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus organized his disciples to go preaching in PAIRS! Mark 6:7; Luke 10:1

So Philip sinned by preaching alone?

WORSHIP is the same as RELIGION since people GATHER to WORSHIP TOGETHER!

According to your Bible?

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever makes people GATHER to call upon the supernatural is a RELIGION!

According to your Bible I suppose.

MaxInDHouse:
The man preaching alone was sent by who?

Jesus didn't send the man he was simply saying what he knew about Jesus according to the scriptures.

Christians were sent by Jesus and he appointed them to go in PAIRS! Mark 6:7; Luke 10:1

So, it was only the example of the man that you saw?

Dtruthspeaker:
Says the one going off point thinking arguments are done any how.

No proof!

You can't just claim I go off point without pointing exactly how!

Go and learn rules of argument, departure from posts (off points) are not allowed are are all invalid arguments. Here are some you should know

Rule 4
https://www.nairaland.com/7956638/some-atheists-pretend-not-know#127760835

I.brolr no rules!

Now you show that you do not know or knowing you, you are now pretending not to know that there is a thing called "impled admissions".

I used your word to address your thoughts. That doesn't mean I agreed he repented or implied it!

Off point/on fallacy of Reversal and re-argument now that the arguments are closed.

No.proof!

See funny man. i already and you wete supposed to show that I am wrong or i lied, instead, you confessed the ruth saying " So, I didn't ask you to show me where Saul asked God for forgiveness.." as you now disgracefully real eyed that you were caught Lying

You're just bitter which is not one of the characteristics of a child of God.

You do not abide in the truth too. After you saw that indeed Saul didn't repent, you started saying I admitted that Saul repented even though it a bad and fake repentance. When did fake repentance become repentance? Instead of coming out clean and admit that you were wrong, you started saying I admitted it, though it was a bad and fake repentance. Is that not dubious?

If something is fake, should you point it out as the real deal? Should fake money be called money?

How I wish I'm dealing with a sincere person.

Now you show your god is satan for every Christian knows The God Who Said "Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned? 28 Can one go upon hot coals, and his feet not be burned?"

I have asked you, has your god given you a law that you should wish hellfire on people?

You wished hellfire on me and I told you that you're not a child of God. Your response was that it is a law of your god!

God's Word certainly can one put fire in his blossom and not be burnt? But did God's law say you should wish hellfire on people?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus didn't ask them to go out alone preaching rather he sent them out in PAIRS {Mark 6:7; Luke 10:1} that's why he said it's either they are two or three before he can join them in doing the work!

That's a lie.

There was even someone who preached alone during Christ time. The disciples asked if they should forbid the person. Jesus said they should allow him, "he who is not against us is for us." He was a lone preacher.

Jesus told the mad man of Gadara to go proclaim what God had done for him. He went making the proclamation alone.

Phillip went to Samaria alone and preached the Gospel there.

There are many instances of preaching alone. Christ is not just with us. He is in us.

MaxInDHouse:
At least you can't find one in the Bible!

And that's not what we're arguing about!

The argument is not about whether religions are in the Bible or not!

Michael547:
So I have asked you countless times why Jesus preached to them. What was the purpose of preaching to them since they were already judged by what they did before they died according to their conscience?

If you cannot see the reason as stated in 1Peter 4:6, I can't help you.

Did the bible say that the dead were in hell when they were preached to? If yes, was Jesus overturning the judgment that took them to hell?

1Peter 3:20 says Jesus went and preached to imprisoned spirits. Where are spirits imprisoned?

You should ask the Bible that said it. Why asking me whether Jesus went to overturn the judgement? And who told you that a judgement has already taken place? Did I tell you that? Am I the one who said Jesus was in hell to preach to those who are dead?

MaxInDHouse:
The word "RELIGION" is new what people call it in ancient times is "WORSHIP" that's why you can't find any name of a religion in the Bible as for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob there is rules guiding His worshipers as in those practicing that RELIGION!

The Word religion is not new. It has existed in many languages from the beginning of time.

The Bible is not about religions. So we cannot the talking about the name of a religion in the Bible.

But religions existed in this world before Christ, during Christ and after Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you sure the "YOU" here is individually or reminding them what he said at Matthew 18:20?

Yes, it's individually. He was instructing them to go preach the gospel. The gospel is preached both individually and collectively. Jesus said whether individually or collectively, I am with you until the end of time.

You also must not forget that He is in us individually too. Not just with us.

MaxInDHouse:
If you like ignore what God's only begotten son said, as for me and my household we will take what Jesus said seriously.
He said:

"For where there are two or three GATHERED TOGETHER in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:20

So we must GATHER with fellow believers if we expect Jesus in our midst! Hebrews 10:24-25

Lol.

He promised to be where two or more gathered in His name. He also promised to be with us individually till the end of the age.

Mathew 28:20
"And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Where did He command that you must gather in order to have eternal life? Lol.

MaxInDHouse:
RELIGION is GATHERING TOGETHER, PRAYING, SINGING and DOING what Jesus commanded as a GROUP!

Give me your Bible reference that defined religion this way.

Michael547:
So according to 1 Peter 4:6, where the dead when they were preached to?

Is 1 Peter 4:6 the only Scripture I gave you?

Why did Jesus need to preach to them since they are to be judged by what they did when they were alive according to their conscience?

Is the answer not there in the same 1 Peter 4:6?

"For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."

Don't come here telling me "according to you." I only quoted the Scriptures!

MaxInDHouse:
There is no book of world religion that will not mention CHRISTIANITY as one of the religions nah!
So why referring to what you yourself disagree with? l

Yeah, that's man's method - Religion. Hence, you'll find religions before Christ, during Christ and after Christ in any book of World Religions you may lay your hands on.

God didn't institute any religion, He only instituted a WAY which is JESUS. Man applied his own method and turned the WAY into a religion. God didn't create religion. All what God wants from you is to fulfil THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN AS outlined in the Scriptures!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus won't be with those who refused to GATHER with other worshipers! Matthew 18:20

That's not the question I asked you!

Dtruthspeaker:
Off point. And iin addition you make the error of saying "true repentance" which clearly means you admit he repented even if it is a bad and fake one. which was my point!

Is off point your newly acquired dictionary word? You keep shouting off point when you see that you've been cornered.

I never admitted that he repented. Repentance is towards God and not towards man!

Now that you've admitted that his repentance was a bad and fake one, you're now coming back home. But God does not categorize repentance as Bad and Good repentance. To God, it's either you repented or you didn't repent. Period! God does not have bad and good repentance in His dictionary. Only repentance.

I used the word 'True Repentance' because I saw that I was talking to someone who thinks every repentance made to goats and dogs are also repentance.

You can only repent towards God. That's repentance. This is the type of life David lived.

You are obviously talking to yourself.

You should have answered the question and prove me wrong.

It is a Law man, if you take up hot coals into your bossom, you must be burnt.

It is a law of your god to wish hellfire to others?

Dtruthspeaker:
Off point.

You thought Saul. did not repent and now you have seen it, you are now changing post.

You clearly don't know what repentance is.

To repent is to turn away from sin with a mind never to go back to sin again.

You don't repent after asking man for forgiveness and then continue sinning. That's what Saul did. That's not repentance.

In true repentance, you ask God and not man for forgiveness. You turn away from your sin and stop sinning. You don't seek self honour in the place of repentance. You need to humble yourself and seek God's face until you're forgiven. You turn away from sin. You don't go about murdering all the priests in a town and hunting the life of s boy all your life to kill him. You don't consult witches or speak to the dead and claim you have repented. These are all Saul did but you're not a child of God, so you won't see your errors but rather tag me a criminal for telling you the truth of the word of God.

See how you prove you are a Liar and a criminal? See what was said

! by GothamCities: 7:45am
Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not see Saul repents asked for the forgiveness in verse 25?

Gotham reply
Okay, I don't think I've seen that. Verse 25 of which chapter?
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No where did you ask me to show me where "Saul asked God, not Samuel for forgiveness".

So, I didn't ask you to show me where Saul asked God for forgiveness and you in your non-criminal mind think that when Saul asked Samuel for forgiveness, that's repentance? Hey, my non-criminal friend, you can ask me for forgiveness too and then it would be said that you have repented. Lol.

So you see, you are not a repentant sinner but a sinner who loves sinning.. Keep sinning hellfire is never full.

Hey, you're not a child of God, hence you wouldn't be wishing hellfire on me.

Hey, my friend, come ask me for forgiveness as Saul did ask Samuel, and indeed all your sins shall be forgiven. Lol.

A plea for forgiveness is directed to God and not man. Asking Samuel to forgive him just because he wanted to receive some personal honour from Samuel is useless. There was no remorse. There was no hatred for sin in the man called Saul. He got the honour he wanted and went his way sinning. How does that compare with David? A man who was constantly asking GOD for forgiveness and mercy until God even gave him what the Scriptures call "The sure mercies of David."

I pray that God will forgive you for all the lies against the word of God, the evil words and abuses you have thoughtlessly thrown on me this day in Jesus name.

Michael547:
So why did Christ still go to preach to those who died without knowing him before he came to earth according to you?

Was I the one who said it or the scriptures?

1 Peter 3:18-20:

"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—"

1 Peter 4:6:
"For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."


Ephesians 4:8-10:

"This is why it says: 'When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.' ([b]What does 'he ascended' mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)"

I know you're a Jehovah Witness trying to bring up heretic arguments. Those are the scriptures, not my own words. So, go and ask the questions to the Bible and stop saying "according to you." You opened your eyes and read the scriptures yourself. Go open your Bible and read those verses. Thank you.

Dtruthspeaker:
See why you should use kjv?

And clearly, you are a crook for i said 24/25 but you chose to stop at 24 with your satanic bible. No wonder you are twisted like a criminal.

See what kjv says and see the difference. But with the kind of evil mind, i am certain you won't see the difference and it is definitely outpossible to explain it to you.

1 samuel 15
24 And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.

25 Now therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship the Lord.

Ah! So, it was Samuel that would pardon Saul's sins?

I asked you to show me where Saul asked God, not Samuel for forgiveness.

I didn't include verse 25 in my initial post because I didn't know I only copied verse 24. It was not deliberate.

However, I'm very familiar with that Scripture, and I know that Saul never asked God for forgiveness.

1. He confessed that he sinned.

2. He asked Samuel to pardon him.

3. He immediately asked Samuel to honour him before the people.

He appealed to Samuel only so that Samuel can be pacified and offer sacrifices with him. He couldn't stand the embarrassment of Samuel living him alone without making any sacrifice. Hence he appeased Samuel. He never appealed to God. He never asked God to forgive him!

Seeing that thy mind is perverted and twisted. See all

Because your lies were exposed by the sound Word of God?

See criminal mind at work. See how you openly Lie and have crookedly changed it to first wife whereas, i was talking about the courting/ "you are the love of my life and the only one of my life and the one I want to spend my life with".

You actually used the word 'first wife' (Screenshot attached) hence you're the criminal. And by that I meant while courting the first wife. If you'll make any such promise to a woman, would you make such promises to her after marrying her or before marrying her? Before marrying the first wife of course!

Not everyone actually proposes to a lady making promises like that. I didn't propose to my wife like that.

I simply said "Sister, I think the Lord wants us to be together as partners for life. I love you and I would love to spend the rest of my life with you. Please pray and hear what God would say to you about this."

That's all I said. Not everyone goes to tell a lady that she's the only love of his life.

Clearly, you are a crook and a criminal and there is no point going on. We shall see on Judgment Day what The Most High Judge shall judge thee.

The Most High God will judge according to His Word and not according to yours. He shall not judge me only but you too!

Michael547:
So did Apostle Paul say that those who died without knowing Jesus before Jesus came to earth had no conscience? So why are they not judged according to their conscience too?

They're all judged according to their conscience. Please read my post again.

Jokerman:
This is my question bro.

You know that without Jesus Christ, no one can enter heaven. And since judgement of God will happen at the last day.

Now where is there soul waiting? In Hell fire or in Hades?

Oh, that was part of your questions. I forgot to answer it. My apologies.

The question will require a broad biblical exposition but I'll make a summarized presentation with biblical references where necessary. The Bible didn't give any explicit information about it but we can draw a lot of inferences and insights from different biblical contexts.

1. Judging from the the Parable of Jesus about the rich man and Lazarus, we can deduce that SOME dead souls are already in heaven while SOME are already in hell. I used the word 'SOME' because there are other Biblical references to some others who are not yet in heaven or hell.

2. There's another Scripture in the book of Revelation that tells us where some of the dead were retrieved from for the final judgement of God.

Revelation 20:13:

"The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done."

This Scripture gives us another insight about where the souls of the dead are kept. Some are in the place of the dead were there is just total silence until the day of judgement.

From the Parable of Jesus, we can deduce that some people can so do wickedly that they're immediately transported to hell at death. Some people can so live righteously also that they're immediately transported to heaven at death, while some actually remain in the place of silence until the judgement day.

Let's look at another Scripture:

Revelation 6:9-10: "When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, 'How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?'"

From this Scripture, you'll see that there's another place called THE ALTAR where those souls who were martyred for their service to God are kept. These ones are not in silence, and are going to give their voice calling for judgement on the wicked bloodletters at the end of time. The Bible didn't tell us what they're currently doing under THE ALTAR but we can deduce that they're not in a place of silence.

So, I think we can understand from the scriptures shared above that the dead are not in any particular single place presently. Those who died without hearing of Christ and those who died having giving their lives to Christ are most probably in a place of silence presently. Those who died as martyrs for Christ are under an altar prepared for them of God. Those who died in serious wickedness are most probably in hell. Those who served God remarkably are most probably now in heaven.

I used the word 'most probably' because they're my personal deductions from what I could read in the Scriptures. My reader can choose to either believe them or not. I am not talking as an absolute authority on the matter.

MaxInDHouse:
Don't misquote me!

I never said there was no religion before Jesus what i'm telling you is that they don't identify themselves with different religious names!

And I am telling you that they did identify themselves under different religions names!

Go find a book of World Religions and study.

MaxInDHouse:
This is a lie!

If people can do what you're saying then there is no reason why people must gather together to take instructions from few ones who are taking the lead! Act 2:42; Hebrews 10:24-25; 13:7,17

Can you prove that gathering together takes anyone to heaven or makes anyone escape eternal damnation? Can you prove that EVERYONE who has gathered with others and are now dead are now undoubtedly assured of their eternity with God on the basis of their gatherings while alive?

Whether you gather or not, everything boils down to what the Bible calls THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN. Don't add anything to it! If you think otherwise, answer the questions I asked you in my first paragraph above. Then, also tell us the fate of several people who found themselves in situations whereby the could not even afford to gather together with a gathering. If you're talking about gathering, even Satan's people also gather but they cannot fulfil the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN as outlined in the Scriptures.

According to God's word all worshipers of the true God must have the same line of thought regarding worship {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

Can you show me where the scriptures have said that having the same line of thoughts is what you need to have eternal peace with God? Eve. Satan's people also do have the same line of thoughts but they cannot fulfil THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN as outlined in the Bible.

This can only be possible if we are been taught by the same group! Matthew 28:18-20

There are many same groups teaching different things. At the end of the day, what matters is who is fulfilling the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN according to the scriptures.