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MaxInDHouse:
Surprisingly the so called CULT has better understanding of certain scriptures than you and your pastors because the word:

Hell (15th century English)
Hades (Greek)
Sheol (Hebrew)

Means GRAVE!

Absolutely not!

MaxInDHouse:
This is what Revelations 20:13 ssys

The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. ‭NIV‬

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. KJV

And the sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the Grave gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. NWT

So Mr Cruise Hell, Hades and Grave means the same thing!

If they mean the same thing, why was the rich man talking from hell? Why did Jesus say He has the keys of death and Hades in Revelation 1:18? Does the grave have keys?

You must answer both questions please.

Michael547:
Oga which one is literal Hebrew view again? Don't run oo...come and post your own.

You have been exposed....is there consciousness in hell and Hades as stated in Ecclesiastics 9:10?

What are you inferring here? You and who are discussing Ecclesiastes 9:10? Ecclesiastes 9:10 is talking about the grave. The literal pit where dead body are placed.

Peter was not talking about the literal pit. What sort of manipulation is this?

Michael547:
Oga hades is clearly the grave....your teaching is wrong!
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Ecc
9:10
Bible

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy
strength, do thou; for no work and
understanding and knowledge and
wisdom, in hades where thou goest there

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Catholic Public Domain Version
Whatever your hand is able to do, do it
earnestly. For neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge will exist in death,
toward which you are hurrying

King James Bible
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it
with thy might; for there is no work, nor
device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the
grave, whither thou goest.

Hades, hell is not the grave! This is the literal Hebrew view.

Check the Hebrew Bible for the same verse. I'm busy now. Can't post it here.

Michael547:
Thank you for admitting your mistake...that is the importance of questions.

Oga the spirit is the 'life-giving force' not 'life' itself.

You have still not shown us where Peter mentioned 'souls' as those who were disobedient oo.

Please quote the scripture and show us how peter didn't mention souls as those were disobedient. I've already shown you by breaking down that scripture for you!

Michael547:
🤣🤣🤣....kindly quote a verse that supports that statement.

So is Hades in the spirit realm? Is the lower regions of the earth where christ descended to in the spirit realm?

If it wasn't the spirit realm, what was He doing there preaching to spirits? What were the spirits doing there?

MaxInDHouse:
No wonder Satan told Eve:

“You certainly will not die" Genesis 3:4

Na wah o!
So God lied to Adam and Eve but Satan told them the truth that instead of dying they will only change accommodation!

The death God told Adam and Eve are two types:

1. Spiritual death: Separation from God which was instant.

2. Physical death: Separation of the spirit from the body which was gradual.

MaxInDHouse:
Ironically the Bible says the spirit returns to God {Ecclesiastes 12:7} and that the spirit leaves the body at death! Psalms 146:3-4

So how can Jesus who spent three days in the grave have anything to do with such spirits when spirits are not included in the grave?

You guys have a lot of confusion going on around your demonic theology. One has to teach you the foundations of faith for you to understand anything.

Only dead bodies stay in the grave, not spirits. Hades is not grave. Hades is the underworld. A place where spirits of dead men dwell.

Michael547:
Oga are you saying that a 'dead person' and the 'life-giving force' is the same?

How can a dead person and the life-giving force be the same?

A dead person is someone who has been translated into the spirit realm until the day of resurrection.

MaxInDHouse:
So the spirits means the people?

Read the scriptures again. It was written in simple English!

MaxInDHouse:
•And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water. 1Peter 3:19-20 NWT

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•After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 1 Peter 3:19-20 NIV‬


•By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. KJV

These are three different versions of the Bible!

I can see all of them mentioning the people that were disobedient in the days of Noah. Please which of them me tied the angels in Tartarus?

Michael547:
Lol.....the bible clearly states that dead men are in hades....but show us where the bible states that the 'spirit' of dead men are in hades.

So at the bolded, why asking hypothetically questions?

Can you show us the difference between dead men and the spirits of dead men? If dead men are in Hades, what are these dead men? Are they spirits or 'spiritala'. Hilarious. Waiting for you!

Michael547:
Kindly show us where Peter said that it was 'souls' that were disobedient in Noah's days.

So, you didn't read it in my post? I pity you.

Kindly show us where the bible says that the 'spirit' of every living thing is in the blood.

The life of every living thing is in the blood. Upon checking the scripture, I found I made a mistake by saying "spirit". The scriptures say 'life.' Leviticus 17:11. But it still follows because the spirit is the life-giving force of the body.

Michael547:
The only thing my question does to you is to expose your teaching. If you can't provide answers to those questions, your teachings has no biblical basis.

Your questions don't expose anything but your ignorance and lack of confidence to state your own opinion.

By the term I ask your your questions in reverse such as by saying "Which scripture says that men dead men are not in Hades, etc? Your question will look stupid. If you have any opinion, state it or get out!

MaxInDHouse:
This is all i need here!

The angels in Tartarus are the sons of God who left heaven to come down and have SEX with female humans {Genesis 6:1-5} so it's the children born through that UNNATURAL mating that became a menace during the time of Noah. Jude 1:6

Please go over my post again, and go over that book of Peter again. Peter didn't say the angels that impregnated women were the ones Christ preached to. He said the souls that were disobedient in the days of Noah while the longsuffering of God waited for them to enter the ark. Please point out from that scripture where Peter mentioned Tartarus or fallen angels.

It's not the dead people because God told Adam that he will die and nothing was said to remain after Adam's death so Satan and his demons have been deceiving people by pretending to be dead people all along!

We have addressed this issue already and I've shown you that dead people can be alive spiritually unto God. I cited Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as an example. I also cited the case of Samuel. The case of Abraham, Lazarus and the rich man is also there. We also have the case of martyred souls who cried to God from under the altar in the book of Revelation. Even in Genesis, after Cain slew Abel, his blood cried out to God. Blood has no mouth or voice, so we can deduce that what cried out was his spirit. Even the scriptures say "the spirit of every living thing is in the blood."

Your assertion is wrong. There's no scripture that says men are silent, inactive and unconscious in the grave.

You quote only Ecclesiastes 9 where the silence and the memories that wee spoken about was about the status of dead people on earth and not in tje grave. They do not know what goes on on earth anymore. Everyone forgets about them, the memories of them are forgotten.

Michael547:
Oga where does the Bible teach that the prison is in Hades?
Where does the Bible teach that when a man dies his spirit goes to Hades?
Where does the Bible teach that there is consciousness in Hades?
Kindly bring out a Bible verse to support those claims.

I'm not here to answer your questions. If you have anything against what I've said, counter it or get out of here.

MaxInDHouse:
Why not quote the exact post instead of hiding part of it to suit yourself?

I didn't hide any part! I screenshot what you said according to what my screen could capture. Do not be dishonest in your dealings! You know I didn't hide anything!

The dead are unconscious and they can't do a single thing in the grave where they are going! Ecclesiastes 9:10

Here is what you typed



My response was sarcastic because the dead are unconscious and Jesus knew that for three consecutive days he is going into a condition where he will be lifeless something that has never occurred to any spirit son of God before.

So while he is still alive he cried and begged God because once he is dead he can't know what is happening around him anymore it's this condition that served as warning to fallen angels who rebelled against God during the time of Noah {1Peter 3:19-20} that's what the Bible means by PREACHING to the spirits in prison those fallen angels are in Tartarus {2Peter 2:4} a condition where they have no direct dealings with God anymore in other words they have been DISFELLOWSHIPED from the midst of God's spirit sons!

So it's fallen angels who are in Tartarus that Peter was talking about not spirit of dead people and Jesus who was dead can't speak to them but his condition speaks in volumes as one of the angels who for the first time died something they thought is impossible!

In spite of it all, I'll still answer you purposely because I don't want you to mislead others into believing the doctrines of demons on this forum. I just pray that you will open your eyes and recover yourself from the quagmire in which you now find yourself.

Let's break down 1 Peter 3:19-20:

This is the whole Scripture:

"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

1. "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;..."
Here, we do not know yet who the spirits are, but we know He preached to them. However, we also know that Jesus has ONLY a ministry to MAN and not to any other beings in the universe. Hence, we can first deduce that Jesus went to preach to the spirits of dead men in Hades. However, we need further confirmation before settling down to this conclusion. Hence, we have to read further.

2. So, who are the spirits Peter was talking about? Peter said the spirits are those "...Which sometimes were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Now, we know the spirits! They were the spirits of those who were disobedient in the days of Noah and who stubbornly refused to enter the ark that was PREPARED to save them, instead, the ark saved only 8 SOULS. God therefore gave THE DISOBEDIENT SOULS OF NOAH's DAYS a second chance by the preaching of Jesus.

Peter clearly stated the spirits Christ preached to!

Why You are Wrong

1. The angels in Tartarus have no connection with Noah's ark. Noah never preached to them, hence they could not be said to have been disobedient to Noah's preaching.

2. God created the ark for men, not for angels or fallen angels.

3. The longsuffering of God that waited in the days of Noah was for men to enter the ark. God was not expecting angels in the ark.

3. The eight souls that were saved were men. The souls that were not saved were also men. Angels have no souls. Hence, the souls that were disobedient and refused to enter the ark cannot be angels.

4. Jesus has no ministry to angels or fallen angels, hence, He couldn't have been preaching to them in prison.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ i never said Jesus was crying at death he cried prior to his death that's why i quoted Hebrews 5:7 so if you don't understand what i meant it's your problem!

Why did you avoid the questions? I can see through your deceit.

Here is it again:

Do you now agree that dead people are conscious and that Jesus was there preaching to imprisoned spirits?

And the screenshot of what you said is reattached so you can tell us how you didn't mean Jesus was crying in His grave. I am ready to unearth your whole posts to expose you on this.

MaxInDHouse:
So if dead people are unconscious then how can Jesus who was DEAD be crying nah?

You should answer your question.

Do you now agree that dead people are conscious and that Jesus was there preaching to imprisoned spirits?

MaxInDHouse:
It simply means you don't understand what i'm saying.

Dead people are unconscious so it was during his life time that Jesus was crying to God who can save him from death!

No. That wasn't what you said! This is what you said again in the screenshot below. It was my exposition that is causing you to change mouth.

You were even quoting Ecclesiastes to support that dead people are unconscious in the grave including Jesus!

Please stop all these lies.

MaxInDHouse:
If i meant the dead are unconscious then how can Jesus be crying when he's dead?

That was one of the flaws of your argument that I just decided to ignore!

MaxInDHouse:
Since you know how to EDIT posts and reply to what suits you it's OK!

So, tell me how I edited your post?

You lying demonic personality who has no regard for the Word God.

I presented your post as is. No addition, no substraction. No edits!

The two other posts where you made erroneous assertions, I corrected them by striking out your errors with lines, and indicating that your post was fixed.

Here I presented everything you said as is, and I've responded according to the true Word of God to dismantle your web of lies and deception!

MaxInDHouse:
You just misquote people to make you happy shey?
It's not in the grave that people cry but when they see death coming and that's what Jesus who has lived for unknown years was crying for because he knew he's going to be DEAD for three days!

Very dubious and demic lying personality!

I didn't misquote you! I've added the screenshots of what you typed with your hands. You said Jesus was crying and begging God in the grave! After I exposed you liar with the Word of Truth, you started saying I misquoted you. Please get out of here! There's no single truth in your life!

The memories of dead people are wiped out as they are no more that's what God's word is saying but the point that's made clear here is they don't know anything because they are DEAD!

The memories of them are forgotten in the land of the living. No one remembers them any more! That's what the Bible says!

That wasn't Samuel but a demon pretending to be dead Samuel {2Corinthians 11:14} dead people don't have anything to do again! Ecclesiastes 9:10

Quote the scriptures that say it was a demon!

To God they are alive because He has everything about them in record and He will bring them back to life during the resurrection {John 5:28-29 compare to Job 14:13-15} He said death (state of inactivity) is the reward for sin {Romans 6:23 compare to Genesis 2:17} so Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are DEAD in their graves awaiting resurrection they never went to heaven! John 8:30

They're alive to God because He has their records, and He'll bring them back to life. Are you a kid?

He is a God of the living, for they all live unto Him. That's why we see Abraham and Lazarus in that parable conversing with the rich man. They were consciously in dialogue!

God raised DEAD as in inactive Jesus from the grave!

The scriptures say He was put to death in His body but made alive in the Spirit. He was not inactive! He went there on a mission! The dead resurrected and walked the streets of Jerusalem as an aftermath of that mission.

Humble yourself, sit down, and well teach you the true Word of God. The true Word of God will knock out the doctrines of demons from your head, and the lying spirit from your soul.

Only sinners die for their sins so Jesus' death is unjustified going by God's standard which says only sinners pay with their lives that's why it's impossible for death to hold a sinless person like Jesus at ransom.

Now, you're talking!

Death could not hold a sinless person like Jesus in the grave. Death could not even silence Him. Death had no power over Him because He was sinless. Hence, He was an active Spirit in the grave where He preached to those spirits who were in prison.

Jesus was killed in the flesh but at resurrection he became a life giving spirit {1Corinthians 15:45} Paul wasn't talking about while Jesus was still dead rather he became a spirit at his resurrection! 1Corinthians 15:42-44

The talk was entirely about His death and not His resurrection. Put to death in the body, but made alive in the Spirit. If he was talking about His resurrection, then He'll say "raised to life in the Spirit." But no, that's not what he said "Put to death in the body but MADE ALIVE (while in the same dead body state) in the Spirit. Dead body, living Spirit.

Jesus actually resurrected with His dead body. The nails and the hole made by the spares were still visible on His body. When others thought He was a spirit, Jesus Himself said in Luke 24:39:

"Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."

Jesus was not resurrected as a spirit! But in His dead state, He had a dead body that was MADE ALIVE in the Spirit. Being alive in the Spirit, He was actively preaching to those spirits who were in prison!

You can learn more if only you are willing Jesus was DEAD for those three days nowhere was he actively involved in anything at death so Peter wasn't talking about a literal preaching done only by the living and for the living!

Just humble yourself and learn, and get rid of all the falsehoods and lies that have been formulated to get you into hell by all means!

MaxInDHouse:
Doctrines of demons that's uniting millions as ONE just as Jesus prayed {John 17:22} against the Son of God whom we relegated to be angel Michael while yours is useless a united front of all believers worldwide leaving you without brethren to call your own whom you call your brethren! Matthew 12:46-50

Fixed!

MaxInDHouse:
Demonic doctrines that's making millions to do the work Jesus satan assigned zealously and with all industriousness shey?
Continue deceiving yourself telling the truth!

Fixed!

[quote author=johnw47 post=133138566][/quote]"For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool."

This is a direct Word that captures their actions so well, particularly janosky. Thanks for the Word!

MaxInDHouse:
You're really amusing me now!

How can you continue using the word "WE" yet you don't GATHER with other worshipers?

Well in our RELIGION we are brothers under a commander {Matthew 23:10} whose words we hold with high esteem we do everything manly possible to stick to his words {Matthew 15:8-9} not what people like you think that's why i'm quoting him each time you call us "CULT" {Matthew 10:24-25} but what really amuses me now is how you've used the word "WE" when you can't present your fellow believers with whom you share the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3}

Ọmọ WE are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the group Jesus was talking about! Matthew 5:14-16

No, you're charlatans. A cult where demonic doctrines are constantly taught!

MaxInDHouse:
Humble yourself and learn! Zephaniah 2:2-3

Learn what?

Doctrines of demons?

MaxInDHouse:
What Jesus WENT to do inside the grave where he was CRYING as in SWEATING like BLOOD BEGGING God to save him from the DEATH {Hebrews 5:7}

The thrash you're learning in your cult is nauseating, honestly. You're quoting Hebrews 5:7 to claim Jesus was crying in the grave? If someone is deceiving you, should you deceive yourself?

But since you're not hiding behind boring questions like your Michael, I would answer you.

This is Hebrews 5:7

"In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence".

First what do you understand by the bolded "In the days of His flesh." That's talking about when He was still alive. You're currently in the days of your flesh because you're still alive. Once death comes to man, he is no longer in the days of his flesh. So, when did Jesus cry and supplicate according to this verse? In the days of His flesh!

So, how come you now interpret the days of His flesh to mean the grave? This place in Hebrews in describing the Gethsemane prayers he prayed just before He was crucified.

so you're claiming he went there to preach to dead people that the Bible said can't do anything in the grave! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Now let's examine Ecclesiastes 9:5

5 "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten."

Now, tell me where the dead have no further reward. On earth or in the grave? Also tell me where their names are forgotten. On earth or in the grave?

The have no further rewards on earth among the living. Their names are forbidden among the living and not among the dead.

The scriptures you quoted does not address the point you are making. Saul communicated with Samuel when he was dead. So, how then is it impossible for the Lord of lords and the King of kings to communicate with them when He was in the same spiritual state and realm as they were?

Listen, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are dead but Jesus while addressing the Pharisees who call God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob while seeing these 3 as dead people, Jesus told them:

Here's the scripture with the additional phrase:

Luke 20:38:

"For to him all are alive. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for they all live unto him."

Ọmọ God raised Jesus from a condition where he was helpless! Act 5:30

You should have quoted it out. Why hide behind mere references? Acts 5:30 says:

"The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree."

Can you show me how that verse says Jesus was helpless in the grave? These guys won't cease to amaze me. You're actually indeed, members of the cult of Satan who seeks to make men see Jesus as a powerless and weak personality who is not mighty enough to save. But the Bible states otherwise, yet you are pushing your falsehood to the surface to deceive unstable souls.

Acts 2:24 says of Jesus:

"Whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it."

It was actually impossible for death to hold Jesus. He was not helpless there:
Here's the scripture:

1 Peter 3:18:
"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit."

He was put to death in the body but in the Spirit, He was alive!

So continue calling us CULT after all you don't GATHER with fellow religionists because you don't want to be called CULT or RELIGIONIST! Matthew 10:24-25; 33

Of course, you're a cult, I just exposed your cult right now.

Michael547:
Lol....because you claimed that Jesus went to preach to imprisoned spirits there. So is hell a place of consciousness? How do you know that the prison is in hell?

No, the prison is your house the place of consciousness.

Michael547:
So is the prison in the lower parts of the earth? If yes, where did Peter say so?

Go and ask Peter please!

MaxInDHouse:
According to the scriptures Jesus taught us in words {Matthew 6:5-6} and action {Luke 22:41-42} to pray alone to our father when it comes to what is PERSONAL.
So like Jesus we expect help from God who will send His angels to assist us in doing His will {Luke 22:43} those are the ones working with Philip {Revelations 14:6} as he wants to do God's will when others are not around to work with him.
But when it's time for the part of Jesus he can't do that alone expecting Jesus to join him in the baptism of Holy Spirit that's why others must join him to fulfill what Jesus promised them! Matthew 18:20

Once again you're welcome!

Please we are practical christians. We practice the true Word of God. Not this heretic one you're preaching. We have the results to show for it!

I'm tired of all these heresies. Please just stop it!