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TenQ:
Mohammed copied many things without knowing the history nor context nor source.
He for instance thought that the Scripture of the Christians is a Single book called the Injeel (from the Greek meaning Gospel)
Mohammed thought that the Torah of the Jews is a Single book and not Five.

Please how did you arrive at this conclusions?

-Mariam (the sister of Aaron and Moses) became the Mother of Mary
-The Samaritan built the Idol/gold Calf for the Children of Israel during the time of Moses (meanwhile, the Samaritan did not exist 700 years after they left Egypt)
-Alexander the Great was a Muslim prophet who received messages from Allah
-Joseph was sold with Dirham (a currency of the Arab) which never existed at the time of Joseph etc.


Mohammed DID NOT know the content of either the Torah nor the Injeel except through Hear-Say

This is the problem of Islam.

These blunders are too embarrassing.

TenQ:
This is not in the Quran o.
It is only in their traditions.

Oh, I see. The Jubril things are only in the hadith.

In the Quran they forgot that Allah says that no single prophet was sent physically to Mohammed,

Please correct the bolded in your post.

The Injeel is not in the Quran but it was acknowledged that
1, The Injeel was a Book (scripture) given to Jesus
2. The Injeel is the Word of Allah which thus cannot be changed or corrupted
3. The Injeel as Book was with the Christians (at the time of Mohammed)
4. Mohammed's name is written in the Injeel BUT the Christians refused to believe in him
5. Christians were commanded by Allah to judge by the Injeel (with them)


Numbers 3, 4 and 5 raises some serious problems for modern Muslims.

All these are meaningless talks. It shows mohammed didn't even know what the Gospels are all about.

1. If these are true, then the Quran is False
2. If these are false, the Quran is still False
This is the Islamic unsolvable dilemma

Please explain these. I don't understand why you arrived at both conclusions.

PROVERBZ:
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After I was informed that Muslims referred to the teachings and message of Jesus as Injeel, which translates to "Good News" (the very same thing Christians call it), I became even more confused because the title seems mismatched.
The theme of Jesus's message in Christianity is that he brought salvation for those previously condemned by the law. In this context, the title "Good News" makes sense.
Where it does not make sense is in Islam, where it is mismatched. The title for his message in Islam is Injeel, and it also translates to "Good News." The dilemma here is that, in Islam, there is no reason for the message to be referred to as "Good News." It is obviously mismatched. Most of my Muslim friends here would argue that Jesus didn't teach anything new and that, in fact, he preached the same message as the previous prophets before him.
This raises the question: Why is Jesus's message in Islam called "Good News" (the very same thing Christians call it)?

Normally, this would not have been a setback if not for the way the word came about in Christianity: the message of salvation by believing in Christ (something Islam preaches against).

I thought to myself, maybe it’s borrowed from the Christians at the time because Muslims wanted to relate to them but didn’t have a word for it aside from that. However, after researching, I found out that the word Injeel was stated in the Qur'an (the supposed direct word of Allah).


--- cc antichristian antiislam

TenQ, for your reference.

TenQ:
Muslims do not have an answer for this problem.

They have fabricated how Jibril squeezed Mohammed and asked him to read, but hear, Allah emphatically said that no angel was sent to Mohammed.

The question is: Who is telling lies?
Is it Allah or the Muslims?


WIthout lies, Islam dies!

But I thought the incident of the Jubril squeezing mohammed to read what he could not read was also recorded in the Quran. Or what it a hadith that mentioned that?

Someone has also brought up an interesting topic of why the Injeel (Good News) is in the Quran when Muslims don't believe Jesus brought any Good News; He simply taught what other prophets before Him have taught. I think that's a very interesting thread where I would be glad to see your contribution too.

Lol

Many people would be deceived because she mentioned Psalms and called herself a Prophetess.

This OP is practicing juju. It has nothing to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Most High God.

A simple prayer of faith is all.you need to get favour. If you walk with God and you enquire of Him before embarking on your visa processing journey, your desire shall be granted. You don't need any juju to get favour as a Christian but most Christians suffer because they're too ignorant, and a false prophetess like this OP will fleece them and even send more demons into their lives!

TenQ:
Thank you sir.
The religion based on fabrications don't notice lies when they memorise the arabic they don't understand.

What is so difficult in answering the questions

1. Is there any other verse(s) in the Quran that says clearly that an Angel was sent physically to Mohammed?
2. Who do you think we should believe in this case, the almighty Allah OR Islamic Traditions ?

I have waited patiently for my friend, antichristian to answer this question to no avail!

PROVERBZ:
it's another Islamic dilemma. They could have argues that it was a word borrowed in other to relate with Christians at rhe time, but this word was also used in the Quran and they claim the Quran is directly from God. Could it be that Allah didn't spot this dilemma

So many dilemmas in that religion, but rather than sit down to understand the Gospel message and critically consider the deceptions of Islam, Muslims would see your exposition as an attack. Some would have attempted to behead you if you have asked these questions in an open market in Kano.

But, as it is, Islam embraced the topic of Christ's message which is the Good News (Injeel) but they rejected the News - the very message of the Good News.

It's Good News in Christendom because there had never been such a message before Christ came on the scene. Christ's message is a message of salvation through Grace which is received by faith. No prophet before Jesus has ever had such a message. Hence, the message is Good News.

What is the Good News (Injeel) of Jesus according to Islam? We'll like to know.

FRANCISTOWN:
1. First of all, the evidence for the existence of Spiderman in real life cannot be found in the comics. If we wanted to believe Spiderman is real, we need a real life proof.
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___Second of all. That evidence you are talking about. Please state it and let's go thru it together.

2. Good. Number 1. Childhood indoctrination, Appeal To Authority, ad populum fallacy and delusional disorder , a priori fallacy wishful thinking , and appeal to fear fallacy.

It was that crazy

Who has ever said spiderman is real? On what basis are you looking for evidence?

Yeah, you were a member of the Catholic Church. There's no God in the Catholic church, so the fallacies you described about them is true. The failure of the Catholic Church to manifest God to you is not the failure of the global Church.

jaephoenix:
1. You dont need to go far. I'm an example. I'm far much better than you. Also go to Japan, Netherlands, Iceland, China etc. Families much richer, smarter and healthier than you would ever dream of

Without knowing me, you can never say this. There are Christians in those countries you have mentioned. There are Christians in other countries that are far better than many of them too. But tell me which of them have not used a hospital for more than 35yrs of their lives. I mean they and their families.

2. I was paralyzed in my left lower limb and I have regained full motor control. No hospital. No church. No prayers. That is just the latest miracle.

This is a lie! Given the fact that you're a medical doctor as I can understand, you cannot have such an issue without giving yourself medical attention! You actually don't have to lie to make a point.

3. What do you mean by 'assurance of salvation, visions of heaven' etc? Salvation from what? An imaginary hell? First u have to prove hell and heaven exists

Yeah, you actually can only keep asking. These are still things I have that you can never have. You can never even know them.

jaephoenix:
Lets assume all these claims are true.
Do you know there are atheists that are richer, healthier than you and your kids? So which god is helping them?

You need to point them out first, and let me know the miracles they've experienced in their lives as well as the instructions they have received that delivered them from coming danger. I'll like to know their assurance of salvation, their visions of heaven and their peace and joy that is not tied to their circumstances or situations.

jaephoenix:
This is the definition of delusion pro max. Ask him to prove any of this and hear all kinds of bullshit

Yeah, my life is itself a proof! I have no records anywhere in any hospital worldwide. Not even a simple hospital card!

My children are all 'A' students by the grace of God. All of them! That's not something I or they could have achieved ordinarily.

I can narrate vivid events of great deliverances and miraculous salvation granted us by God after I obeyed simple instructions.

None of us have any hospital card anywhere in the world. We are healthy and sound. No sickness at all. That itself is a proof.

Atheists are the most deluded, most deceived and foolish humans on earth!

Being an atheist is the most stupid decision anyone can ever make!

I have many things that an atheist can never have.

1. I have the visions of heaven. The atheist is entirely blind to this.

2. I have the sure, unmistakable and indisputable assurance of salvation.

3. I enjoy regular communion and fellowship with the Holy Ghost.

4. I command a lot of spiritual authority and dominion in the spirit realm just by mentioning the name of Jesus.

5. I know what my tomorrow holds. I'm not ignorant of my future. An atheist does not even know the next minute. He can actually die anytime like a caged fowl.

6. I have inner peace and joy that is not dictated by the state of my finances or situation. Joy unspeakable that is not tied to things that can be seen.

7. I enjoy miracles upon miracles. Something an atheist can never understand.

8. I have no fear of death because to die is gain for me.

9. I enjoy unusual health because of my walk with God. I've not had any reason to visit a hospital or use any drug for more than 35 years of my life. I have only used the hospital when my wife was putting to bed in our days of childbearing.

10. At my age, my BP is absolutely normal at 100/80. No single sickness in my body.

11. I have not had any reason to take any of my children to the hospital since they were born. They enjoy good health, good academic performances and are all morally excellent.

12. I receive timely warnings concerning unfavorable events before they happen, and I'm able to use my spiritual authority to bring them under control. There are several experiences of this I can readily narrate including a motorcycle accident that God forewarned me of regarding my last born when she was young. I can also recall how my God miraculously delivered two of my children when they were young, from being crushed to death by a moving train with just a simple instruction that I obeyed. If I were an atheist, I would have lost them. Thank you Jesus!

13. I enjoy marital bliss. I married the woman God chose for me, and I have never had any reason to regret my marriage to her. Our journey together has been from victory to victory.

14. My wife enjoys sound health too like all members of my family. Before we married, she was always being rushed to the hospital for some stomach ailments which she had. After she came under my roof, everything ceased. She has not visited the hospital since I married her, except for childbearing.

15. I have faced many challenges including life threatening ones which would have swept an atheist away. By the grace of God I always come out victorious. I do not fear anything in this world because by my past experiences with God, I have the assurance of victory for whatever the future holds. Moreover, I am always given a preview of serious events before they take place.

I'll stop here. The things I enjoy are more than I can write right now. It is foolishness to think that you, an atheist is at par with a Christian who walks in obedience to the Word of God and submits totally under the Lordship of Jesus. You can only compare yourself with a mere churchgoer who doesn't know God. A churchgoer who calls himself a Christian but does not know Christ, neither is he known of Christ. That's not a Christian. That's just a mere religionist who doesn't even know what he's doing. Many of those who you call Christians are like that. You can keep measuring yourself by them in your delusion. They're just like any other person in the world because they have refused to walk according to the precepts of Christ.

It is foolishness of a very high order for you to compare yourself with a few christians who have fallen short when there are many millions of Christians all over the world whose shoes latchets you're eternally unworthy to untie. Even some churchgoers, Muslims, Buddhists, Cultists, Hindus, etc are well above you in the scheme of things. This your delusion and self deceit would lead you into eternal regrets.

Repent, meet King Jesus before it's too late. Atheism is absolute stupidity and deliberate self destruction.

TenQ:
Who Do We Believe In This Case: The Almighty Allah Or The Islamic Traditions

A few days ago , I came across these verses in the Quran and maybe it is my understanding that is incomplete: hence I wish all muslims and the scholars will help me comprehend the CLEAR Words of Allah without Addition or Subtraction.

Quran 6:7
وَلَوْ نَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ كِتَـٰبًۭا فِى قِرْطَاسٍۢ فَلَمَسُوهُ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ لَقَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ إِنْ هَـٰذَآ إِلَّا سِحْرٌۭ مُّبِينٌۭ
Had We sent down to you (O Prophet) a revelation in writing and they were to touch it with their own hands, the disbelievers would still have said, “This is nothing but pure magic!”
Quran 6:8
وَقَالُوا۟ لَوْلَآ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ مَلَكٌۭ ۖ وَلَوْ أَنزَلْنَا مَلَكًۭا لَّقُضِىَ ٱلْأَمْرُ ثُمَّ لَا يُنظَرُونَ
They say, “Why has no angel come with him?” Had We sent down an angel, the matter would have certainly been settled , and they would have never been given more time ˹to repent˺.
Quran 6:9
وَلَوْ جَعَلْنَـٰهُ مَلَكًۭا لَّجَعَلْنَـٰهُ رَجُلًۭا وَلَلَبَسْنَا عَلَيْهِم مَّا يَلْبِسُونَ
And if We had sent an angel, We would have certainly made it ˹assume the form of˺ a man—leaving them more confused than they already are.
Quran 6:10
وَلَقَدِ ٱسْتُهْزِئَ بِرُسُلٍۢ مِّن قَبْلِكَ فَحَاقَ بِٱلَّذِينَ سَخِرُوا۟ مِنْهُم مَّا كَانُوا۟ بِهِۦ يَسْتَهْزِءُونَ١
Other˺ messengers had already been ridiculed before you ˹O Prophet˺, but those who mocked them were overtaken by what they used to ridicule.


So, Lets begin:
1. In verse 10: Allah seem to accept the fact that Mohammed is ALSO a Messenger (as other messengers have been sent before Mohammed who also have been ridiculed)
2. In verse 7: Allah said that he DID NOT send the revelations to Mohammed as a printed book from heaven, as the disbelievers would regard it as just magic (they wouldn't still believe anyways)
3. In verse 8: Allah says that he DID NOT send an Angel to Mohammed (even though these disbelievers ask why no angel has been sent to him) because IF he did, their judgement would have been concluded and thus cannot repent again
4. In verse 9: Allah says that IF HE DID SEND an Angel, the Angel would have come in the form of an ordinary Man which would even leave the disbelievers more confused. i.e. Allah DID NOT send any Angel even in form of a Man (not to even think as an Angel)


My Questions:
In Quran 6:7-10 it seems Allah is saying in no ambiguous terms that he DID NOT send any Angel to Mohammed either as an Angel (spirit being) or as a Man (physical being).
However, Islamic TRADITIONS say that the Angel Jibril was the one who always brought the Quran to Mohammed. There is even the elaborate story of Jibril's first encounter with Mohammed where he was squeezed and commanded to Recite!

1. Is there any other verse(s) in the Quran that says clearly that an Angel was sent to Mohammed?
2. Who do you think we should believe in this case, the almighty Allah OR Islamic Traditions ?

Thank you.



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Is there no Muslim to answer these questions? Satmaniac did not answer these questions in my opinion because the issue here was not whether an angel followed Mohammed to the market or not. The issue is that Allah is saying if he had sent an angel 'to', not WITH Mohammed, then the people would have had instant judgement. If he had sent a book, they would say it's magic and would have been more confused. This is not a matter of sending an angel with Mohammed while he went to the market.

And also, Muslims should try and reconcile these verses with the verse that says a certain Gabriel was sent to Mohammed to bring the Quran to his heart.

I trust antichristian with his vast knowledge of the Quran would be able to bail us out.

This is a post dating as far back as 2023. If there are no answers, let's agree that Muslims have been deceived.

AntiChristian:
I am tired of your lies!
I think we can end it here!

You're rather tired of defending falsehoods. You can go and rest.

Kingsempires:
so which christian were dey doing the 1st 3rd century?

Read your Bible now.

There was just one Christianity. No Catholicism or Protestantism or whatever. It was when the Romans brought in paganism that the Church split into two: Eastern Orthodox Church and Roman Catholic Church.

The Eastern Orthodox comprised of the group of Christians who chose to maintain the status quo and shun Roman paganism. The Roman Catholics are the group that absorbed Roman paganism.

Over the years, many eyes were opened in Roman Catholicism which led to protestantism and many other denominations.

AntiChristian:
You lied! It was God talking and boasting! This is so clear but you have a huge affinity to tell lies just to prove a point! In your last AI attachment you included spread as the meaning of Bisatun! So your Bible too used the spread! And in the Greek translation there's expand there! I know you won't agree as your affinity for falsehood is high!

Let me break it down for you as you no sabi English sef.

This is what God the LORD says—

Isaiah telling the people that He has a message from the Lord God.

He who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and its offspring, who gives breath to the people on it and life to those who walk in it: Isaiah 42:5

Isaiah eulogizing the Lord God before delivering His message. That's why it says "He who created the heavens..." and not "I who created the heavens." That's a second person expression. Nawa for you o. Just because you want to lie.

Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who by Myself spread out the earth Isaiah 44:24

Yeah, He spread out the heavens and the earth by Himself alone. He did not just talk about spreading the earth but the heavens and the earth. Allah was boasting about the earth alone and called himself excellent spreaders.

Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I have called: I am He; I am the first, and I am the last. Surely My own hand founded the earth, and My right hand spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they stand up together. Isaiah 48:12-13

Heaven and earth mentioned again together with the emphasis that He can summon them.

[quoteQur'an 71:19
Sahih International: And Allah has made for you the earth an expanse.

Pickthall: And Allah hath made the earth a wide expanse for you.

Yusuf Ali: "'And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),

Shakir: And Allah has made for you the earth a wide expanse,

Muhammad Sarwar: God has spread out the earth.

Mohsin Khan: And Allah has made for you the earth wide spread (an expanse).

Arberry: [/b]And God has laid the earth for you as a carpet,[/quote]Just the earth. And you failed to add the excellent spreaders boasting.

[b]After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back its four winds so that no wind would blow on land or sea or on any tree. Revelations 7:1 So Four Corners of the earth = Four Cardinal points! A sphere does not have corners o! Only a flat-shaped earth will have corners! Ask your AI.

You no go school?

It is actually idiomatic expression in English to say "four corners of the earth." But here the reference is to four cardinal points of the earth. The North, South, West and East. That's telling you that the four angels stood at the four cardinal points. One angel each at the North, South, East and West.

I have grown out of it. Apologies for all those ones! Now it is clear to me you can't even see falsehood not to talk of admitting it.

Apologies accepted.

But you didn't apologize for your falsehoods o.

There's no falsehood from me. I hate falsehood, so I won't indulge in it. But you see, I have explained your wrong interpretations above. Don't call anything falsehood until you have heard the interpretation.

Regarding the spread of the earth, I said Allah was boasting about spreading the earth which is a small thing to God. God won't boast about spreading just the earth. You'll see that in all the verses you quoted, both heavens and earth are mentioned. The heavens are right mentioned because the heavens are actually infinite.

You call them Demons we call them Jinn! They are unlike Angels. Angels are made from light. Jinns are created from fire. You don't believe in all these. It's a different belief entirely! And stoning the devil is a way of obeying Allah's apostle in what he did. I have never been there and i still seek refuge from Allah from Satan. So all these your false Christian belief are unrelated to Islam!

My dear, that's gibberish. It's like telling someone who live by the sea that ships are made of rubber.

Hey, we know spirits and demons. Not just believing. Don't tell me I may not believe what you believe about them. That's an understatement. I know them ni. We engage them daily, so we know them.

See, there are Holy Angels who make up the armies of God in heaven. There are different type of angels. They also have varying ranks of hierarchies with the archangels being the highest of ranks.

Then, there are fallen angels. They mostly inhabit the heavenlies. They too have different ranks and are under the authority of Satan. These fallen angels are the gods whom the pagans worship. There are other fallen angels in prison. God imprisoned them because they're too dangerous for mankind.

Then, there are demons. They are basically here on earth and run errands for Satan and fallen angels. They're all other the control of Satan and have fervent hatred for mankind.

Spirits don't practice religion, so none of these have a religion. Religion is a man-made thing.

Now, let me stop here but you see, when your Quran instructed you to conduit us when you're confused, it's because we are very much knowledgeable than you do regarding these things. And I must confess to you, we know a lot.

If I start teaching you right now about the nature, mode of operation and activities of demons, you would open your mouth because I would not only teach you, I'll also demonstrate. I just need to call out a few people you can bring with you, and the demons will manifest and speak out of the people.

I just pray that you have mercy but you see, you're not sincere about seeking the true God.

Your God told you he's a spirit. But he doesn't need to explain what Spirit is? God = Spirit = Demon = Angel= Principalities = Witches = ......Such is the Christian belief. In Islam God is separate. Angels are separate! Jinns are separate! Humans are separate! Despite the Volumes of books written you can quote just one verse that defines the soul and spirit from the Bible? I tire o!

You're just talking ignorantly. Islam is very ignorant. It's not a matter of what Islam says. It's a matter of what reality says. Chai!

See there are only two realms. The spiritual and the physical. There are no four realms where God will be separate, angels separate, demons separate, etc. Only two realms exist. And the inhabitants of the Spirit realms are called spirits. The inhabitants of the physical realm are called flesh. There are many types of spirits as there are many types of flesh. God is a Spirit. His Spirit type is God-spirit. Angels are spirits. Their spirit type is Angelic spirit (This applies to holy and unholy angels). Then there are demons whose spirit types are demonic spirits. Then there are flesh. The types of flesh are human and animal flesh.

This is the real situation of things. If you were to interact with the spirit realm today, you would find it exactly as I have described.

if you can;t prove Yahweh and Jesus knew it then they are similarly ignorant? Allah says the knowledge of it is with Him! But you started with the ignorance claim so i sadly extend it to you! Once again, show us where Jesus/Yahweh defined Soul and Spirit?

Haha. Where did the Jews get the idea of spirits from? The Bible of cause!

I have told you the Bible is full of the activities of spirits. What's even difficult about that knowledge. It's a kindergarten thing. Chai! What's serious about the knowledge of spirits? There are much deeper things to talk about.

I just need you to tell us the constituent/Component of a Spirit and Soul as define by Jesus or Yahweh in the Bible!

And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little." Qur'an 17:85 The Jews and Christians know it but it is not defined in their books! So where did they get the message from? AI or Google or human thought!



I never lied! You are the liar for Christ here. Your Bible made similar claims using similar words "Expand" in Isaiah 44:24 and in other places. Even the AI you attached there is "Spread" in it as a meaning. You quickly lied that God was not the one talking whereas YAHWEH is written everywhere in the Hebrew Bible verses boasting as usual - All those I am your God boastings which is normal!

I am not asking you about the operation of the Soul. Tell us what is the Soul according to the Bible? That is what Muhammad was asked? Tell us about the Soul? What is it? What is it made up of? We have references from the Prophet about when the Soul enters fetus, the journey of the soul after death, etc. Tell us what the soul is from the Bible?

So in essence your God is ignorant of what the soul is right?

My dear, let me tell you this. Keep wallowing in your ignorance.

There's no difference between a spirit and a flesh other than one is invisible and the other is not. Both have bodies. Spirits have celestial bodies while flesh have terrestrial bodies.

A spirit does not have a material body. So, you cannot start saying he was made from something. A spiritual body is simply a form taken in the spirit realm for identification purposes. It has no material at all. It is purely spiritual. If it has a material, it would not be a spirit.

Lumarstone:
You can't cheat nature, age is nomore in favour of Tyson.

At least, by now he ought to have retired in the game of Boxing.

There was a time he ruled the boxing world.

Some other person(s) must continue from where he stopped

But you know say he no too old to earn $20m.

AntiChristian:
I won't give you all hypocrites what you want! You can ask AI those questions if Holy Spirit doesn't know it as usual!

See who is speaking!

AntiChristian:
As I said I'm at liberty to answer or not! Your bwahahaha doesn't do anything!

I won't argue with a congregation of dishonest hypocritites claiming one holy Spirit!

The bolded is your logo. Like what you're now doing on this thread!

Very hypocritical fellow. You commented several times on the thread without mentioning a single thing Islam has done to benefit the country, yet you're saying you have the right not to answer when you've answered many times without stating any benefit! Hypocrite! Meanwhile you were pointing fingers at Christianity without saying anything about Islam. Did they ask you about Christianity?

Your lies and hypocrisy are just too much!

Janosky:
MUMU kid enslaved by incurable delusion.

This kid infested with delusion and IBERIBEISM.
Ozuo Godtham MUMU in this era of information age & ICT advancement,yet your MUMU syndrome speaks louder than words.

Only demons talk like this.

AntiChristian:
Check out this verses below!
Isaiah 42:5: "He spread out the earth, and that which cometh out of it!
Isaiah 44:24: "I spread out the skies and laid out the earth!
Isaiah 48:13: "My right hand spread out the heavens!
Psalm 136:6: "To him that stretched out the earth above the waters!

Interestingly, science eventually discovered that the earth is founded upon water.

Wherever you see spread or stretch out the earth in those verses you quoted, it was a man talking, not God boasting that He spread out the earth. Yes, to man, the spread of the earth is an awesome spread but not to God. Allah must be a man for him to be praising himself to have spread out something that is like a drop of water in the palms of the Almighty God.

Where did you see God call the earth an expanse in all those verses?

God stretched the heavens. Yeah. And science found it to be an infinite stretch.

Revelation 7:1: "Four angels standing at the four corners of the earth" ( Earth get four corners)

Yeah, that's talking about the four cardinal points of the earth.

I don't think i need to abuse you or your deity! I big pass that! Review your science now with AI!

What about the ones you have been doing? So, you were small before but now you're now big?

Yahweh and Jesus too does not know what spirit is hence they didn't explain it in the Bible! But you know it more than them with AI! Allah is not limited. His is bigger than all his creation put together! You can't even comprehend how great Allah his! Even his footstool is greater than heaven and earth! There's nothing like Demon in Islam! They are called Jinn! They are invisible! There are like humans as they reproduce, eat and live in a community! They have religions like us and have immense powers, even to possess humans or animals! That's how they are created! They will also enter hell or Paradise like us!

Demons don't have religions. Wonderful! Allah must be very ignorant. So ignorant about spirits that he and his prophet think stoning the devil in mecca in going to hurt the devil. Chai, it's the most silly thing to do in this world to travel over long distances and spend millions only to go stone Satan. Chai!

God does not need to explain to us what spirits are because He didn't see us as dummies. A whole lot of teachings about spirit anr in the Bible. There are volumes upon volumes of books written on the subject of spirits with references taken solely from the Bible. Our God is called the Father of spirits.

Don't say "Yahweh and Jesus too don't know what spirit is..." It's only Allah and his mohammed that are ignorant of it.

All Christians and Jews know what spirits are ever before Mohammed was born! I myself can write volume on the topic of spirits alone. I'll tell you about angels and angelic hierarchies. Tell you about layers of authority in the satanic kingdom and even tell.you the nature of demons and their modes of operations all from the Bible.

You sabi abuse like Jesus o! Use Arabic dictionary not AI to translate Arabic! You are a ignoramus! In Isaiah 42:5, the same spread out aka expanse was used by Yahweh! Now use your AI to confirm it. Come back and apologise that you are mistaken! Holy Spirit AI led you astray!

Only illiterates talk like this. I gave you the meaning of bisāṭan', you said I lied. I got AI to give me the meaning, you said I'm using AI. Abeg what do you want me to use? You rejected my interpretation, your Quranic interpretation and AI interpretation. I said okay, let's go by your interpretation which is "Expanse", yet the earth is still not an expanse. You're now here wailing. I pity you.

I agree they know it. Show us where they got what they know not AI generated answers? The Jews and Christians are ignorant! And Allah has kept the knowledge of what the Soul is to himself. No scientist can create a soul as an entity!

I didn't give you any AI generated text about spirits. Spirits operated throughout the Bible, and so you get to know them as you interact with them on the pages of Scripture.

Why should God be telling us what a spirit is?

AntiChristian:
It's not compulsory i answer!

It's my liberty!

You answered but you couldn't say anything your beneficial about your religion. You only tried to say Christianity offered nothing. Bwahahaha.

AntiChristian:
You should list what Christianity has brought instead?

All those prayers, vigils, crusades, bus preaching, street preaching, revivals, mass, tract sharing, etc. Of what use has it been?

Someone listed healing and deliverance. Does that mean only Christians are being healed and delivered in Nigeria? This is foolishness as we know miracles happen to non-Christians too. I know many Christians over 40yrs looking for husbands/ fruit of the womb going from one form of crusade, revival, shiloh etc. to another. They went last year. They will still go this year and the next. What about the daily, weekly an monthly ones? Na so so revival, crusades, etc.

So, you cannot mention any single benefit of Islam to Nigeria?

SMH.

AntiChristian:
Chai! See foolishness plus hypocrisy! So AI is your Holy Spirit! I guess as much! The Qur'an didn't call it a carpet. Carpet is usually called Sijjad in Arabic. Anything that is "spread out" can be called بساط! I don't even wish to argue with you on this any longer! I thought you have sense to at least clearly differentiate what is right from error before but clear you are all the same if not worse! It's okay the earth is not an expanse (a wide area of something) and it is not spread out!

You're embarrassed? Yeah, the earth is not an expanse. The God who created the earth does not see it as an expanse. It's a speck like a drop of water in the hollow of His hands. Allah must be a man or a small god to see the earth as an expanse. Lol.

Even scientifically, the earth is never described as an expanse!

Which science states the heaven as a curtain! Can you give reference to scientific Journals on heavens being comparable to a curtain since Science is another part of your Holy Spirit now?

Tell me where the Scriptures say the heavens are like curtains? He spread the heavens like someone spreading a curtain. That's what the Scriptures say. It means the heavens are so small before God. Just like curtains are to man, that's how small the heavens are to God.

Uses your glasses! It is wide spread out. And Allah has made for you the earth wide spread (an expanse)

Lol, he then boasted himself to be an excellent spreader. Lol. He must be a small god.

Where did you respond to it? You can recall me to it. If that is hard for you just say you can't and i will leave you alone! Your AL has no definition for Soul in the Bible. The definition you are bring are derived by humans outside the Bible. All these merry go round na lamba and capping! You can just copy and paste it here again if you did answer before. It may be an oversight!

God, angels and Satan who is spirit can turn to man! Man who has spirit can't turn to God! Lol! Allah created all things! So He is separated from His creations yet closest to us!

If Allah created all things, he will never be limited in any form regarding the things he created. Allah that does not know what a spirit is and who sees the earth as an expanse is not the Creator of the earth. He even said some demons are Muslims. Bwahahaha. If there are Muslim demons, it only means Islam is a demonic religion.

[b]No be only schooled! You "AI-ed" me and lied you schooled me! You have been using AI to answer questions not the Holy Spirit. Yet instead of saying you used AI, you took the gain! Even you just made a mess of everything![/quote]I believe illiteracy is really disturbing you. AI translated bisāṭan' from Arabic to English, and this illiterate is mocking AI. Or tell me which other question AI answered. AI exposed your lies and so you're angry. Get angry at Allah and Mohammed for lying to you. I am here to let you know the truth!

This is why i will always call you a hypocrite. You made a claim that Muhammad does not know what Ruh (Soul/Spirit) mean! And i said define it where Yahweh/Jesus explained in the Bible since you also lied the Jews knew it. If they knew it then it should be in the Old testament! If we are ignorant then you should school us! But Alas, It's all AI answers no Holy Spirit anywhere!

Thank you and bye!

My dear, I was not the one who made a claim that Mohammed didn't know what a spirit is, it was your book that said they asked him and he could not answer. Your hypocrite self also said he later got to know it. Now, you want to put up the narrative as though I'm the one who formulated the story.

The Jews know what a spirit is. Christians know what a spirit is ever before Mohammed was born!

AntiChristian:
Good You are now coming up! So it is no more a "carpet lie"! I also asked you how the heaven is a curtain based on your Isaiah 40 verse!

You just like lying too much. I'm I the one who translated your Quran to have called it a carpet? It's a carpet. I'm not saying it's not a carpet. Your translators translated it so. AI also translated it so. While some of your translators translated it as expanse. I'm telling you that whether you call it expanse or carpet, the earth is neither of the two!

The heavens (Universal sky) are spread and stretched like a curtain. According to science, the spread and stretch is infinite.

So what is wrong with the verse - And Allah has made for you the earth wide spread (an expanse)?

The earth is not an expanse, neither is it like an expanse.

For where? I am not aware of that as i had a lot of mentions!

You have been lying so much that I don't even want to believe anything you say again! You were the one who quoted Genesis 2:7 to me of recent and asked me where we Christians found soul as being part of man. I quoted the verse in response to you and bolded the word 'soul' in the verse for you to see. Now, you're lying and denying that!

Yeah, your God is spirit, your Angels too are spirit! Satan too is spirit! That's why God, Angels and Satan can become man in Christianity!

Yeah, man is also a spirit. That's why he can relate with spirit realm. Yeah, God is spirit, angels are spirits, demons are spirits. That's why they dwell in the spirit realm. I guess Allah is not a spirit. He must be a man or a demon - an evil spirit.

Abeg show reference for all this definition! You claim Islam is ignorant! Is Yahweh and Jesus ignorant too?

I told you to show how the breathe of life is defined in the Bible! You brought your own abstract definitions!

You said the Jews know it and we are ignorant! Why not school us and show your biblical references and not AI out put?

I've schooled you dear. Go back to our previous discussions.

A spirit is an invisible spiritual entity that dwells in the spirit realm. They have spiritual bodies. Spirits such as demons are disembodied spirits that are constantly looking for earthly bodies to inhabit in order to gain physical expression. An individual is said to be demon-possessed when a disembodied spirit such as a demon uses his or her body to express himself on earth.

Spirits don't have souls.

I know the next thing your ignorant self would want to say is "show me where it is in your Bible." Very ignorant question. The Bible teaches about salvation, not about spirits but when you look through the Bible, by the activities of various spirits in the Bible, you'll know what a spirit is.

Ohyoudidnt:
I appreciate the truth where seen regardless of bias. Did I comment on the emboldened from the Bible?

I only commented to share my understanding of the Quran verses which seemed to be misunderstood

You asked a question about the metaphoric use of words in the Bible and I gave you the bolded as an example.

AntiChristian:
Give the link for the dictionary or attach the screenshot!

Look, even if you say the earth is an expanse, it's still a lie. The earth is not an expanse. I posted some screenshots yesterday, you might want to review them.

I asked you to describe the content of the "breathe of life" from your Bible and you are still ranting! You lied the Jews knew it. Tell us what they know! You have the Bible and the Holy Spirit! Do tell us what soul and Spirit are from the Bible! I know AI can't help you here or else you would have replied!

Look, you and I just settled this matter in another thread. Go back and read what I said to you again if you have forgotten. I can remember that you abandoned that discussion after I exposed your ignorance. I can't repeat same here again. It shows you read but you don't learn.

He was placed in the tomb, yes! You said he was alive in the spirit which means he didn't die essentially! Jesus died for the sins of mankind. What does the word death here mean and who is the Jesus being referred to in this statement? The latter predicates the other. For if it is the human Jesus which literally died, then this was not the Son dying. If it is that the Son died, then the Son was not a God.

Look, you're too confused. Every man who dies only puts off the body. The person is alive in the spirit as spirits can never die.

God is Spirit. God is not flesh. The death of Christ's body is not the termination of His Spirit. Resurrected is the return of the Spirit to the body to animate it. Spirit is what gives life to a body. The soul will not longer be able to live on in the body when the Spirit departs and returns to God. The soul will be judged for the life it spent on earth while in the body.

Body = house. The body in which man lives.
Spirit = life. The breathe of God in man.
Soul = the real man living in the house. This is the man Christ came to save.

Ohyoudidnt:
You act as if everything in the scripture is always literal. Do you understand the meaning and use of metaphor in scripture?

Do you identify metaphors in your Bible like that in Psalm 23:1?

Sure. Even metaphors are always logical, and are matched to the elements or objects they describe.

See for example:

Isaiah 40:22

"It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;"

Look at the words bolded in the verse. The scientists argued against the earth being a circle at the time this verse was written. The only person who could have known that the earth is a circle before even science discovered it is the Creator of the earth.

Now, look at the words 'Stretch' and 'Spread' used for the heavens (universal sky), those words were not used for earth because its illogical to say the earth spread or stretched, even when talking metaphorically. When spread is used for earth in the Bible, it is used in relation to the inhabitants of the earth. For example "By him was the inhabitants of the earth spread about."

The heavens were said to be stretched and spread like a curtain in that verse. And indeed the heavens are actually stretched and spread. Scientists today believe it is infinite. That's a real spread or stretch.

Please just put your biases aside and make a good and honest study of the Bible as you have studied the Quran, you'll find out that only the Creator could do the things God did and said in the Bible.

Ohyoudidnt:
In my view within the context of the verse laid focuses on placement and finality whereas spread emphasizes distribution and potential for ongoing action.

"we have spread” denotes that there is an action of extending or laying out something (in this case, possibly referring metaphorically to covering land with a carpet)

Is this your effort to parrying concerns that there is no translation of the meaning of the verse with laid as you said confidently before?

My dear, the earth was not spread, neither was it laid.

AntiChristian:
It is you that lied several times that different phrases/events are the same thing when they are clearly not! You are a liar confirmed! You even lied about the word bisāṭan as it never means carpet at all! Find attached some of the forms of Bisatan in the Qur'an from its root word! The translators that mentions carpet used it as a figurative expression since a carpet is spread out. I don't think a hypocritical Christian liar claiming Holy Spirit would understand this!

Don't worry, your eyes will soon be clear. You said I lied that bisāṭan' is carpet? Lol. Meaning your translators who translated it as carpet are actually liars. I guess your Arabic dictionaries too are liars for translating it as carpet. Lol. You're not even intelligent with your lies. Are you not tired of lying? Your lies are not selling my dear, find something else to sell.

So tell us where the Knowledge is in your Bible? What did Yahweh breathe into Adam? Explain its nature from the Bible with references? Allah has claim the knowledge resides with him. So show us the knowledge from Yahweh! Bisatan does not mean carpet! A repetition of lies does not make it the truth!

My dear the Jews who asked Mohammed that question know what a spirit is. It was a test for Mohammed but he failed. From that point onward, those Jews knew Mohammed was Charlatan. Spirit is not a hidden secret at all. The Bible is not there to teach you what a spirit is but you cannot read the Bible without knowing what a spirit is. Mohammed is so confused about spirits that he even said there are Muslim demons. Very silly statement to make. As in Muslim demons. Definitely islam is a demonic religion since even some demons are Muslims. You need to agree to this except you now want to deny that there are Muslim demons.

Breathe of life! Can you tell us its content from the Bible with references? This is what we call Soul which is same as spirit!

In Qur'an 15:29 Allah says: "So, when I have fashioned him (Adam) completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him."

Genesis 2:7: "Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature". Man = Body + breathe of life (i.e. Soul/Spirit not Soul and Spirit).

See, Allah that did not know that the earth is not flat, has Muslim demons and whose prophet did not know what a spirit is cannot tell us about spirits. He's just too ignorant regarding this topic.

There's no argument on this? Quite unlike you!

You can't even see the sarcasm in my response. You're so deluded to even think that Jesus was in coma for 3 days. He was in coma, yet he was buried and bound in grave cloths during the period. Your confusion is too dumbfounding.

Ohyoudidnt:
Where is laid? ? ?

What's the difference between laid and spread in this context?