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Ohyoudidnt:
You have the one you say reads laid so bring it.

Are you afraid to do it yourself?

Here you go:

Quran 71:19

وَالْأَرْضَ فَرَشْنَاهَا بِسَاطًا

See word for word translation below:

Ohyoudidnt:
Kindly show me please as these translations don't exactly say laid.


-----Muhammad Pickthall-----

And Allah hath made the earth a wide expanse for you

-----Saheeh International-----

And Allah has made for you the earth an expanse

-----Muhammad Sarwar-----

God has spread out the earth

-----Muhammad Shakir-----

And Allah has made for you the earth a wide expanse,

-----Abdul Majid Daryabadi-----

And Allah hath made the earth Unto you an expanse.

-----Yusuf Ali-----

"'And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),

Al-Quran - Surah 71 - Nooh - Ayah 19

Is made = laid?

Bring out the full Arabic verse. Quran translators are known to be tricky with words whenever it denegrates Allah.

Ohyoudidnt:
Really now. Is this your response in refusal or rejection of the truth shown to you?


Within the context if the verse what does bisatan mean not isolated meaning of the word? Going by your view which arabic word us translated as laid in the verse?

Singular interpretation give meaning outside the context and you can hold on to it as it appears to make you happy though you know the truth.

The truth is that the verse says all laid the earth as a carpet. This is consistent with all the transactions. You know better than your translators I suppose. How much Arabic do you even speak? Allah laid the earth as carpet, mat, rug an expanse. All means the same thing - he laid the earth as a flat surface. You know the truth but you'll want us to accept a lie.

Ohyoudidnt:
Have you looked to find a direct translation from Arabic to English?

I used MetaAI like you and got similar but not the exact result you got. Do you feel all the possible translations were given by your method?

The word “بِسَاطاً” is derived from the Arabic root “بسط” (baṣṭ), which generally means to spread or extend.

Common Translations are:

Carpet: This is one of the most direct translations, referring to a textile floor covering.

Rug: Similar to a carpet but often smaller and used for decorative purposes.

Mat: A more general term that can refer to any flat piece of material used on floors,
including welcome mats or yoga mats.

Spread: In some contexts, it can refer to something that is spread out over an area, such as grass or flowers.

Blanket: While not a direct translation, in certain poetic or metaphorical uses, it may refer to something that covers an area like a blanket does.

In common usage, it typically refers to tangible items such as carpets or rugs found in homes.
In literary or metaphorical contexts, it may describe scenes like fields adorned with flowers or convey abstract ideas, such as the comfort associated with a home environment.

In the context of the verse where it is used what will be the meaning? Is the first part of the sentence outside the context ? ? ?
This is simple and not in anyway related to pooling the wool over your face.

Use an actual dictionary for your translation not Meta AI

Take your screenshot without your keyboard displayed.

You can translate the whole verse with your MetaAI and give me different from what I show you

My dear, cut the crap!

All these fluffy explanations on top of what? Someone says he has spread the earth like a mat, you're talking about comfort and flowery fields. The statement does not fit that context at all.

If Allah has said that the created the world as a bisāṭan', then we might say he meant he created it as a place of comfort. But he didn't say so. He said he laid it as a bisāṭan! What other things are laid other than a flat surface such as mat, rug, bed, table tops, etc. Please stop this deception and also stop thinking that you're talking to people who have no sense.

Ohyoudidnt:
Perhaps you should translate بِسَاطًۭا bisatan with your arabic to English dictionary.
I elucidated what is meant in the verse, tell me do you prefer living on a steep and rough incline of a hill?

Your screenshot tells you bisatan has multiple possible translations depending on context but you rather turn of your reasoning.

My screenshot tells me it has multiple translations depending on context and it went ahead to list all possible translations but because you want to defend falsehood, you want us to focus on the first part of the sentence that suits you but we should overlook the remaining part that listed all the possible translations.

Ohyoudidnt:
I hope what people seem to engage in for fun will not have regretted effects in the everlasting.

You know that word meaning is not taken in isolation in the Quran.

The Arabic term "بِسَاطاً" (bisatan), which translates to "an expanse," typically conveys the idea of a surface that is spread out for accessibility and comfort. It describes the earth as being extended and suitable for human habitation, without necessarily suggesting a literal "flatness" in a geometric sense of the earth.

Keep deceiving yourself. Your regrets in eternity is waiting if you reject the salvation of Christ today.

Bisāṭan' does not mean expanse. It's a deceitful translation. Imagine what you would have been saying if scientists have discovered that the earth was flat? You'll have been using this same verse to prove to us that your Allah is there true God. But you see, Allah didn't create the earth, so he thought it was like a carpet because the science of that time said so.

sonmvayina:
Which thing you talk wey make sense...? State it let me see it..

It's your logo now. Everyone that exposes your ignorance doesn't make sense. You say it to everybody, not just me. That means you're the most ignorant person on Nairaland who never can understand what anybody says.

AntiChristian:
So you can't wrongly quote or misquote a verse even with all your Holy Spirit? Sorry, Mr. Perfect! You can judge as you like and you'll be judged similarly as you judge! Over!

This is not wrongly quoting a verse but falsely insinuating what a verse didn't say. Did you not also lie about the arabic word "bisāṭan"? You said it's not carpet and where Allah said the world is spread like bisāṭan. AI exposed your lies. You're a liar confirmed.

Heavenly secret! Where did the Bible call it an heavenly secret? What is said is that the son does not know it! And what Muhammad was asked about is the "Ruh" (Spirit = Soul not just Spirit)! It is equivalent to "Soul" in normal English! Soul = Spirit in Islam! And the Prophet answered that the knowledge of it resides with its creator! The meanings are different in your Bible as Body, Soul and spirit exists. In Islam it is only Body and Soul (Spirit)!

The knowledge of the word 'spirit' does not reside with it's creator. It was already common knowledge on earth. Mohammed and Allah are ignorant. They even though that the earth was spread like 'bisāṭan' - carpet.

Can you tell us what the Soul God breath in Adam looks like from the Bible or from the Holy Spirit? How is it defined in the Bible?

God didn't breathe any soul into Adam my ignorant Muslim friend!

Shed off the body like snakes or Agama? Same body Thomas inspected and found whole with wound marks! If he was alive in the Spirit then he didn't die! Death is when the soul dissociates itself from the body entering another state of life irreversibly! Once it becomes reversible then it is coma not death!

Okay, Jesus was in coma for 3 days Abi? Thank you for the information.

AntiChristian:
Can you show us the word like a carpet in Arabic?

Is bisāṭan like a carpet?

Consult Holy Spirit and not Google!

This liar wants to deceive us concerning the Arabic word "bisāṭan". Meta AI has exposed him!

AntiChristian:
Where is "the earth is flat below"?
Qur'an 71:19
Sahih International: And Allah has made for you the earth an expanse

Pickthall: And Allah hath made the earth a wide expanse for you

Yusuf Ali: "'And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),

Shakir: And Allah has made for you the earth a wide expanse,

Muhammad Sarwar: God has spread out the earth

Mohsin Khan: And Allah has made for you the earth wide spread (an expanse).

Arberry: And God has laid the earth for you as a carpet,

GothamCities If na me now i go don become liar! Show us where "The earth is flat" is above!

The earth is not a wide expanse. Allah did create the earth, so he didn't know. Let's bring out the Arabic word in that verse and break it down.

AntiChristian:
So the Bible writers can write whatever they want as concise as they preferred?

Alhamdulillah!

Yeah, in matters of interpretation where the word they're interpreting is not in front of them to copy from!

AntiChristian:
And who is the one sitting above the vaults/horizon of the earth?
How is the heaven spread like a curtain?

Alhamdulillah! Allah didn't say carpet! And the Bible verse you quoted didn't mention circle but vault or horizon!
Continue to lie with your guys!

Hehehe. The Bible verse I mentioned actually said "sphere" but it's rendered circle in English translations. This is the Hebrew interlinear attached. You still want to lie against the Bible because of your Quran? 😂

AntiChristian:
No koko!

It is error!

I'm trying to drop more threads abeg!
The error here is confirmed!
You are just being stubborn!

If you call "This is Jesus of Nazareth, the king of the Jews" to your pupil in a spelling test and he writes "King of the Jews", you should mark him right! It's okay!

You brought a wrong analysis.

The writers didn't write in the original language of the inscription. Each of them wrote the interpretation as concise as they preferred it.

AntiChristian:
Explain how the heaven is like a curtain in the same Isaiah verse you quoted?

The sky is what the Bible calls Heavens. Plural.

AntiChristian:
That's to you!

To realist, each gospel writer wrote a different thing! Your Brother Sirtee15 was stating another theory that the inscriptions was written in many languages with each writer writing one language!

That's another lamba!

If Luke sees three languages why can't he write the three?

The Koko of the matter is King of the Jews. No one was there when it happened. If the writers were alive today, we would have explained to us. But since they're not alive, everyone can only give his own thoughts. I have read the Bible many times enough to understand the things that are confusing you. There was more words written than what each writer remembered. The Koko of everything is that King of the Jews was the accusation. What was written more than King of the Jews is what the writers have rendered differently.

And truly, the words were written in many languages.

AntiChristian:
Can you show us the word like a carpet in Arabic?

Is bisāṭan like a carpet?

Consult Holy Spirit and not Google!

This guy, you were the one who first said "Allah didn't say the world is a carpet but like/as a carpet "

You now come here to change mouth. Are you a comedian?

Nawa4nl:
have you seen round carpets b4?
(71:19) And Allah has laid the earth for you as a carpet.
https://islamicstudies.info/quran/ishraq.php?sura=71

Antichristian, compare that to Isaiah 40:22

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth; its dwellers are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out"

This was written at a time when science said the earth was flat. Science was in error and Mohammed followed that error sheepishly.

Allah even thought that the earth was laid the same way a carpet is laid.

AntiChristian:
Hence they wrote 4 different narrations!

The Koko of the matter is that the inscription contained the caption King of the Jews. Period. What was written was more than that. That's why it was rendered in different ways.

AntiChristian:
There is no carpet in the Arabic. The word is like a carpet! And you lied Allah says the earth is flat!

The earth is actually like/as a carpet but not a carpet!

Show us where the earth is called flat!

GothamCities

How can Allah say the earth is a carpet? What type of reasoning is that?

The word like a carpet is the very word that insinuates that the world is flat like a carpet. Is the world a carpet that Allah would say the world is a carpet or you don't know what a carpet is again?

Nawa4nl:
We are grateful that mohammed let us know that the earth is flat

No loud am o. Make antichristian no deal with una. 😂

AntiChristian:
He will be wrong!

What was written on the cross is actually unknown! The Messiah was expected to be the "King of the Jews" so they formed that as the inscription! Then each one added spices and condiment to improve the aroma of their writings!

Lol.

What was written on the cross was unknown because the writings were invisible to the people who saw the cross in its day?

Muurian:
Even if they show you, you will still ask another meaningless question.

Who wrote the scriptures and compiled them into the book you call Bible you are so crazy about? Is it not same Catholics?

You people have been so decieved and gone far off the rail that you continue to argue, always ending up showing your heavy ignorance.

These your rantings hold no water!

Show me first and let me disbelieve first before you make conclusions that I won't believe.

I don't know why some individuals choose to be deceived and so much hate their own souls.

Jesus didn't bow to any image, the disciples didn't use any rosary, no one ever prayed to any Mary the mother of God for the first 400yrs of Christianity. The Pagan Romans brought them into the church 400yrs after Jesus and 300years after the death of the last apostle. Instead of you to go dig for the truth, you're holding firmly to the profanities of the Romans without considering your eternity.

The Roman Catholics didn't give us the Bible! The Nicene fathers collected the books that had existed before them. These fathers in the council of Nicaea consisted of Eastern Orthodox Christians and others who later became Roman Catholics. The Nicene fathers were part of the early undivided church before the church broke into two which saw the emergence of Roman paganism in the Catholic Church, while those who rejected Roman paganism remained in Eastern Christian Orthodoxy.

AntiChristian:
I don't have anything to prove! My conscience is clear!

Your conscience is indeed dirty even for you to say you don't have anything to prove about been exposed for falsehoods and lying that it waa not intentional!

When Jesus didn't know the hour did it stop him from still becoming part of your God?

That's an heavenly secret not revealed to earth. It was a celestial thing, not a terrestrial knowledge of something like spirits which all worshippers of God and the prophets know about. Mohammed failed woefully. The Jews that asked him that question knew what a spirit is but a so called prophet Mohammed who claimed to have been relating with a spirit does not know anything!

When Jesus died did it stop him from still becoming part of your God?

You should stop calling Jesus God!

Muhammad didn't speak English! Same as Jesus!

When Jesus died, He only shed off the body, He was alive in His Spirit. His Spirit has never died, can never die and would live forever.

AntiChristian:
All systems of government apart from the Shari'ah of islam is disbelief. Though we are born in such nation and we obey such ruling inasmuch as it doesn't command us to do what is not available in our texts. It's just like Israel when Moses was the commander and Yahweh was the supreme ruler! All system of government comes from God. Other system of government against such is disbelief! That's why there's apostasy laws in those time!

How is it balderdash when what i said is the truth and you even confirmed it. The Holy spirit empowered Soldier Samson to kill thousands as a divine assignment.....bla bla bla! All this must only happen in your book! If it's in our books it's terrorism!

You don't even know what flawless mean! There are thousands of errors in the Bible. And your scholars have tried correcting many but they just can't correct the flaws! It's clear. What I'm even talking about is the textual errors. What if I go to the version errors where some Bibles have 73 books, some 66 books and 78.

Then we move to the KJV, RSV 1, RSV 2, etc wahala.

Then we move to the copyist errors!

God's hand was on the writters too and they made mistakes! So the church fathers too did make mistakes!
Why did the protestants breakaway from the Catholic church?

The Protestants broke away from the Catholic church simply because the Catholic church is not the Church of Christ.

AntiChristian:
Okay! So if your kid is asked same question he would write the four options or any of them as the truth!

F9 product!

God-breathed scripture!

Thank you!

He'll write Jesus the King of the Jews and would be correct!

AntiChristian:
All systems of government apart from the Shari'ah of islam is disbelief. Though we are born in such nation and we obey such ruling inasmuch as it doesn't command us to do what is not available in our texts. It's just like Israel when Moses was the commander and Yahweh was the supreme ruler! All system of government comes from God. Other system of government against such is disbelief! That's why there's apostasy laws in those time!

So, to pray for a preferred leader is also disbelief in Islam?

How is it balderdash when what i said is the truth and you even confirmed it. The Holy spirit empowered Soldier Samson to kill thousands as a divine assignment.....bla bla bla! All this must only happen in your book! If it's in our books it's terrorism!

It's balderdash because Samson was a soldier anointed by God to defend his people against the oppression of the Philippines. But you hypocritically presented Samson as a random killer of thousands. Did you specifically state what those thousands did to him? Or did he just chance on them and started killing them?

Terrorism is an act of killing, maiming or doing any for of aggression on an individual or group of people for no just cause. Attacking individuals who never offended you and are at peace with you is an act of terrorism. In the case of Samson which you mentioned, it was not so!

You don't even know what flawless mean! There are thousands of errors in the Bible. And your scholars have tried correcting many but they just can't correct the flaws! It's clear. What I'm even talking about is the textual errors. What if I go to the version errors where some Bibles have 73 books, some 66 books and 78.

There's nothing like version errors. Anyone can create his own Bible but which of the books are vehicles of the Word of God. That's the most important thing. The Bible is not a book of 66 books, 77 books, 100 books. It's just a book and can contain any number of books. Anyone can collate his own Bible. You're just being ignorant. The only thing is that there are specific books that God has breathed on, and only those books are the vehicles through which the Word of God can reach the soul of man. Non of your so called Textual errors have stood the test of scrutiny. They're comprehension errors only on your part.

Then we move to the KJV, RSV 1, RSV 2, etc wahala.

Then we move to the copyist errors!

So English Bibles are your problem or the origin Greek and Hebrews Bibles?

God's hand was on the writters too and they made mistakes! So the church fathers too did make mistakes!
Why did the protestants breakaway from the Catholic church?

You have not been able to prove any mistakes so far. The mistakes are only in your own head. Are they mistakes you're talking about similar to the the one in your supposed Quran that fell from heaven where men's sperms are produced in their spinal cords and where camel's urine does universal healing, where a Samaritan made an idol in Moses' days and where Mariam the sister of Aaron was Jesus' mother among other trepid errors so embarrassing to mention?

Kobojunkie:
😂😂😂😂 Which church discovered which lies? The same churches that built their foundation on that which was Catholicism— doctrines and traditions— before them abi which one? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Seems you don't know what Protestants and Reformation is all about.

2. How could they have dropped that which is still part and parcel of the belief system even to this day?

Are you kidding me? We do not believe or practice the same things as the Roman Catholics.

3. Taken from Babylonian cults? Religion, in the form of what is called Judaism today, is what the Jews— the Nation of Judea, the sister nation of the former nation of Israel — took from the Babylonians when they were there in captivity. And that is the tradition that even Pentecostalism upholds to this day as Christianity is famously known to be modeled after Judaism before it, the very Religion Jesus Christ is known to have condemned even during HIs time.

You don't even know the Babylonian cult to be able to make the difference. You're just too ignorant.

Kobojunkie:
I did that earlier but you reject the Gospels as Jesus Christ made clear those who would adopt doctrines and traditions of men — Religion — would. So, your particular problem here has nothing to do with me.

2. I also did that when I pointed out that the Pagans, some of them Romans, eventually set up a religion by which to manipulate the minds of people and also gain power and prestige for themselves amongst the people of the time. They cooked up stories of all kinds to associate themselves in any way possible with at least the apostles whose stories were never again to be heard of after the end came in 70 AD. That eventually paid dividends for many of them when the religion was made the official religion of Rome by Constantine who equally wanted to get in on the political importance of the religion at the time. [/quote]My friend, you didn't prove any of your claims with Scriptures. You were only mentioning verses and explaining them in the most heretical manner.

On your second point, I have told you that the Church is fully aware of the evils committed by the Roman Catholics and has reformed, has kept reforming and would continue to reform. The Church has long departed from the occultic rites of Roman Catholicism.

[quote author=Muurian post=132865265][/quote]Lol.

Let's quickly agree for your sake that Peter was the first Pope of Rome. For this agreement to work, I must first excuse your crass ignorance of Scripture. The history of Peter is in the Bible. Go read and don't allow anyone deceive you. Jesus never appointed Peter Pope of Rome. I don't know why you cannot read the Bible but instead you choose to read Google and Wikipedia!

Okay, now, let's assume Peter was the first Pope of Rome, kindly tell us where Peter practiced the pagan traditions of Queen of heaven, rosaries, Imageries, etc and handed them over to you.

Kobojunkie:
It's right there in the Gospels for all who have eyes to see for themselves but like Jesus Christ said, those who adopt religion would never accept His Truth.

2. Proof? Are you kidding? It is clearly indicated by the entire history of the religion.

You should boldly state the evidences for which you claim. Do not hide behind a such irresponsible words as "it's right there in the Gospels" or "It is clearly indicated by the entire history of the religion". Be bold for once and put forward your evidences.

Kobojunkie:
You are not paying attention at all. The Catholics invested most of their doctrines and traditions in their twists and lies. Even the idea of the cross as a sacred symbol was invented by the Catholics. The idea of the book you carry around called your Bible is some sort of "Holy" book that should be revered and never tossed, torn, or burned... all ideas that came from the Catholics. Many of your prayer rituals, and ceremonies in your Pentecostal churches came from the Catholic traditions as well.

You'll do well to go and read and see that the Church discovered the lies and satanism in Catholicism a long time ago and therefore dropped all catholic traditions that were taken from the Babylonian cults.

Muurian:
Oga, you don't have anything to say. What exactly is your point?

Christianity is a tradition that started years after the death of Christ, and catholics are the ones who are maintaining that tradition. So what's your point?

Why are you bent on telling lies!

Tell us where the Catholics got the traditions of Imageries, rosaries, Queen of heaven, Mary the mother of God and all the paganisms they do. You need to tell us the beginning of such traditions from Christ or His disciples and how exactly the Roman Catholics have continued it.

Since you said the tradition was CONTINUED by the Roman Catholics, you must tell us from whom they continued it with sound historical references.