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AntiChristian:
There is no carpet in the Arabic. The word is like a carpet! And you lied Allah says the earth is flat!

The earth is actually like/as a carpet but not a carpet!

Show us where the earth is called flat!

GothamCities

How can Allah say the earth is a carpet? What type of reasoning is that?

The word like a carpet is the very word that insinuates that the world is flat like a carpet. Is the world a carpet that Allah would say the world is a carpet or you don't know what a carpet is again?

Nawa4nl:
We are grateful that mohammed let us know that the earth is flat

No loud am o. Make antichristian no deal with una. 😂

AntiChristian:
He will be wrong!

What was written on the cross is actually unknown! The Messiah was expected to be the "King of the Jews" so they formed that as the inscription! Then each one added spices and condiment to improve the aroma of their writings!

Lol.

What was written on the cross was unknown because the writings were invisible to the people who saw the cross in its day?

Muurian:
Even if they show you, you will still ask another meaningless question.

Who wrote the scriptures and compiled them into the book you call Bible you are so crazy about? Is it not same Catholics?

You people have been so decieved and gone far off the rail that you continue to argue, always ending up showing your heavy ignorance.

These your rantings hold no water!

Show me first and let me disbelieve first before you make conclusions that I won't believe.

I don't know why some individuals choose to be deceived and so much hate their own souls.

Jesus didn't bow to any image, the disciples didn't use any rosary, no one ever prayed to any Mary the mother of God for the first 400yrs of Christianity. The Pagan Romans brought them into the church 400yrs after Jesus and 300years after the death of the last apostle. Instead of you to go dig for the truth, you're holding firmly to the profanities of the Romans without considering your eternity.

The Roman Catholics didn't give us the Bible! The Nicene fathers collected the books that had existed before them. These fathers in the council of Nicaea consisted of Eastern Orthodox Christians and others who later became Roman Catholics. The Nicene fathers were part of the early undivided church before the church broke into two which saw the emergence of Roman paganism in the Catholic Church, while those who rejected Roman paganism remained in Eastern Christian Orthodoxy.

AntiChristian:
I don't have anything to prove! My conscience is clear!

Your conscience is indeed dirty even for you to say you don't have anything to prove about been exposed for falsehoods and lying that it waa not intentional!

When Jesus didn't know the hour did it stop him from still becoming part of your God?

That's an heavenly secret not revealed to earth. It was a celestial thing, not a terrestrial knowledge of something like spirits which all worshippers of God and the prophets know about. Mohammed failed woefully. The Jews that asked him that question knew what a spirit is but a so called prophet Mohammed who claimed to have been relating with a spirit does not know anything!

When Jesus died did it stop him from still becoming part of your God?

You should stop calling Jesus God!

Muhammad didn't speak English! Same as Jesus!

When Jesus died, He only shed off the body, He was alive in His Spirit. His Spirit has never died, can never die and would live forever.

AntiChristian:
All systems of government apart from the Shari'ah of islam is disbelief. Though we are born in such nation and we obey such ruling inasmuch as it doesn't command us to do what is not available in our texts. It's just like Israel when Moses was the commander and Yahweh was the supreme ruler! All system of government comes from God. Other system of government against such is disbelief! That's why there's apostasy laws in those time!

How is it balderdash when what i said is the truth and you even confirmed it. The Holy spirit empowered Soldier Samson to kill thousands as a divine assignment.....bla bla bla! All this must only happen in your book! If it's in our books it's terrorism!

You don't even know what flawless mean! There are thousands of errors in the Bible. And your scholars have tried correcting many but they just can't correct the flaws! It's clear. What I'm even talking about is the textual errors. What if I go to the version errors where some Bibles have 73 books, some 66 books and 78.

Then we move to the KJV, RSV 1, RSV 2, etc wahala.

Then we move to the copyist errors!

God's hand was on the writters too and they made mistakes! So the church fathers too did make mistakes!
Why did the protestants breakaway from the Catholic church?

The Protestants broke away from the Catholic church simply because the Catholic church is not the Church of Christ.

AntiChristian:
Okay! So if your kid is asked same question he would write the four options or any of them as the truth!

F9 product!

God-breathed scripture!

Thank you!

He'll write Jesus the King of the Jews and would be correct!

AntiChristian:
All systems of government apart from the Shari'ah of islam is disbelief. Though we are born in such nation and we obey such ruling inasmuch as it doesn't command us to do what is not available in our texts. It's just like Israel when Moses was the commander and Yahweh was the supreme ruler! All system of government comes from God. Other system of government against such is disbelief! That's why there's apostasy laws in those time!

So, to pray for a preferred leader is also disbelief in Islam?

How is it balderdash when what i said is the truth and you even confirmed it. The Holy spirit empowered Soldier Samson to kill thousands as a divine assignment.....bla bla bla! All this must only happen in your book! If it's in our books it's terrorism!

It's balderdash because Samson was a soldier anointed by God to defend his people against the oppression of the Philippines. But you hypocritically presented Samson as a random killer of thousands. Did you specifically state what those thousands did to him? Or did he just chance on them and started killing them?

Terrorism is an act of killing, maiming or doing any for of aggression on an individual or group of people for no just cause. Attacking individuals who never offended you and are at peace with you is an act of terrorism. In the case of Samson which you mentioned, it was not so!

You don't even know what flawless mean! There are thousands of errors in the Bible. And your scholars have tried correcting many but they just can't correct the flaws! It's clear. What I'm even talking about is the textual errors. What if I go to the version errors where some Bibles have 73 books, some 66 books and 78.

There's nothing like version errors. Anyone can create his own Bible but which of the books are vehicles of the Word of God. That's the most important thing. The Bible is not a book of 66 books, 77 books, 100 books. It's just a book and can contain any number of books. Anyone can collate his own Bible. You're just being ignorant. The only thing is that there are specific books that God has breathed on, and only those books are the vehicles through which the Word of God can reach the soul of man. Non of your so called Textual errors have stood the test of scrutiny. They're comprehension errors only on your part.

Then we move to the KJV, RSV 1, RSV 2, etc wahala.

Then we move to the copyist errors!

So English Bibles are your problem or the origin Greek and Hebrews Bibles?

God's hand was on the writters too and they made mistakes! So the church fathers too did make mistakes!
Why did the protestants breakaway from the Catholic church?

You have not been able to prove any mistakes so far. The mistakes are only in your own head. Are they mistakes you're talking about similar to the the one in your supposed Quran that fell from heaven where men's sperms are produced in their spinal cords and where camel's urine does universal healing, where a Samaritan made an idol in Moses' days and where Mariam the sister of Aaron was Jesus' mother among other trepid errors so embarrassing to mention?

Kobojunkie:
😂😂😂😂 Which church discovered which lies? The same churches that built their foundation on that which was Catholicism— doctrines and traditions— before them abi which one? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Seems you don't know what Protestants and Reformation is all about.

2. How could they have dropped that which is still part and parcel of the belief system even to this day?

Are you kidding me? We do not believe or practice the same things as the Roman Catholics.

3. Taken from Babylonian cults? Religion, in the form of what is called Judaism today, is what the Jews— the Nation of Judea, the sister nation of the former nation of Israel — took from the Babylonians when they were there in captivity. And that is the tradition that even Pentecostalism upholds to this day as Christianity is famously known to be modeled after Judaism before it, the very Religion Jesus Christ is known to have condemned even during HIs time.

You don't even know the Babylonian cult to be able to make the difference. You're just too ignorant.

Kobojunkie:
I did that earlier but you reject the Gospels as Jesus Christ made clear those who would adopt doctrines and traditions of men — Religion — would. So, your particular problem here has nothing to do with me.

2. I also did that when I pointed out that the Pagans, some of them Romans, eventually set up a religion by which to manipulate the minds of people and also gain power and prestige for themselves amongst the people of the time. They cooked up stories of all kinds to associate themselves in any way possible with at least the apostles whose stories were never again to be heard of after the end came in 70 AD. That eventually paid dividends for many of them when the religion was made the official religion of Rome by Constantine who equally wanted to get in on the political importance of the religion at the time. [/quote]My friend, you didn't prove any of your claims with Scriptures. You were only mentioning verses and explaining them in the most heretical manner.

On your second point, I have told you that the Church is fully aware of the evils committed by the Roman Catholics and has reformed, has kept reforming and would continue to reform. The Church has long departed from the occultic rites of Roman Catholicism.

[quote author=Muurian post=132865265][/quote]Lol.

Let's quickly agree for your sake that Peter was the first Pope of Rome. For this agreement to work, I must first excuse your crass ignorance of Scripture. The history of Peter is in the Bible. Go read and don't allow anyone deceive you. Jesus never appointed Peter Pope of Rome. I don't know why you cannot read the Bible but instead you choose to read Google and Wikipedia!

Okay, now, let's assume Peter was the first Pope of Rome, kindly tell us where Peter practiced the pagan traditions of Queen of heaven, rosaries, Imageries, etc and handed them over to you.

Kobojunkie:
It's right there in the Gospels for all who have eyes to see for themselves but like Jesus Christ said, those who adopt religion would never accept His Truth.

2. Proof? Are you kidding? It is clearly indicated by the entire history of the religion.

You should boldly state the evidences for which you claim. Do not hide behind a such irresponsible words as "it's right there in the Gospels" or "It is clearly indicated by the entire history of the religion". Be bold for once and put forward your evidences.

Kobojunkie:
You are not paying attention at all. The Catholics invested most of their doctrines and traditions in their twists and lies. Even the idea of the cross as a sacred symbol was invented by the Catholics. The idea of the book you carry around called your Bible is some sort of "Holy" book that should be revered and never tossed, torn, or burned... all ideas that came from the Catholics. Many of your prayer rituals, and ceremonies in your Pentecostal churches came from the Catholic traditions as well.

You'll do well to go and read and see that the Church discovered the lies and satanism in Catholicism a long time ago and therefore dropped all catholic traditions that were taken from the Babylonian cults.

Muurian:
Oga, you don't have anything to say. What exactly is your point?

Christianity is a tradition that started years after the death of Christ, and catholics are the ones who are maintaining that tradition. So what's your point?

Why are you bent on telling lies!

Tell us where the Catholics got the traditions of Imageries, rosaries, Queen of heaven, Mary the mother of God and all the paganisms they do. You need to tell us the beginning of such traditions from Christ or His disciples and how exactly the Roman Catholics have continued it.

Since you said the tradition was CONTINUED by the Roman Catholics, you must tell us from whom they continued it with sound historical references.

Kobojunkie:
More like they were heckled as Christians by the Pagans around them at the time... some of them the very Romans who eventually hijacked the movement for their political and greed-driven religion of Christianity.

Jesus Christ described all religions, beginning with the one that came before him — Judaism— as that which is against the God of Israel and His person.

Tell us where Jesus Christ made such description. Prove to us that the Christianity was greed and politically driven before it was hijacked by the Romans.

Muurian:
Was there a group of people called Christians during the time of Jesus Christ?

You are just confusing yourself.

At least, His disciples were called Christians shortly after His departure.

Was there a group called Roman Catholics during the time of Jesus Christ?

Kobojunkie:
It is a waste of time surely because you reject Jesus Christ's own words, remember?

God of Israel had previously scattered the House of Israel beginning with the sister nation of Israel. So what reason did Jesus Christ have to not send His disciples to all of the Nations?

He didn't send His disciples to the Israelites in all nations but ALL NATIONS . Israelites didn't scatter to all nations dear. Christ said the make disciples of ALL NATIONS, and not disciples of the Israelites in all nations!

Kobojunkie:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

No interpreting is needed at all when it comes to Scripture since you didn't have to learn the original greek language in other to read any of its contents, did you?

Jesus Christ Himself stated that the ones He was only sent to by His Father were those whom He regarded as sheep —the Lost sheep of Israel. He affirmed that all others were dogs— non-Isrealites —who do not have any right to that which is of God's mercy via David, even though they could have the crumbs that fell off the master's table.

It's actually a waste of time discussing with you at this your level of ignorance.

So, Jesus was sent to the house of Israel alone and others are dogs. Why did Jesus send His disciples to the dogs saying "Go make disciples of all nations"?

Kobojunkie:
I already quoted scripture to you but you rejected scripture. In Matthew 7 vs 6, Jesus Christ did say that giving that which is Holy to the dogs — non-Israelities— would only result in it being trampled. That explains why you refuse that which is written in order that you assert instead that which you prefer.

You and who interpreted 'the dogs to mean none Israelites?

Kobojunkie:
Your very own comment which I reposted earlier serves attempt to associate Jesus Christ with the Christian that you are is proof against you.

A screenshot of that comment should do. For now, you're lying about me. I never said Jesus was only sent to Christians!

2. Stop messing with your own head there.

Heed your own counsel!

3. You are lying! I said only people who are of the blood of Jacob can have a part in Jesus Christ. I didn't say that was the only requirement by the way. And I am almost certain you are not of the bloodline of the man called Jacob. No one who belongs to or knows Jesus Christ would adopt any religion since Jesus Christ made clear that religion is antiChrist - Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 & Matthew 15 vs 1 - 10.

Look at the bolded parts of your comment above and tell me if you do not need to see a doctor.

Can you quote out the scriptures where Christ made it clear that religion is antichrist? Also make me see the scriptures that say Christianity is a religion!

AntiChristian:
How was Muhammad a politician? I mentioned Democracy as disbelief not politics! Try and differentiate between the two before you brandish me a liar now!

Is democracy not part of politics? If democracy is disbelief, then autocracy is what? Are they not all politics?

You didn't include Holy Spirit can empower one person to kill thousands like Samson did!

Balderdash!

The Holy Spirit empowers you Tom fulfil any assignment God gives you. If you're a soldier by divine assignment like Samson was, you'll be empowered to excel in that assignment!

This doesn't hold water! If the Holy Spirit is God then the writings will be flawless. The scripture now contains opinions of one Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, etc which can't even be verified for authenticity!

Yes, the writings are flawless. You're the one who has flawed eyes to see flaws where there are none!

Did God breathed on the Bible as Book after total compilation or individually before the church fathers packaged them together?

And what about the apocrypha and other books not in your Protestant Bible?

Individually.

God's hand was on the Church fathers to canalize only God-breathed books. God didn't leave that business or collating the Bible to.satan!

AntiChristian:
I won't. I will only bind the accuser! If i accuse you of telling lies and you are sure of yourself do same!

Even if I do same, it does not prove your innocence man. You're the one who has an innocence to prove. Hypocrite!

The Jesus we know is consistent with what a Prophet and messenger of Allah should be. God forgives sins himself! He doesn't need anyone to help him die! He does not need a son to help him! He doesn't need himself divided into three persons! He does not need blood to save people!

If you call Muhammad ignorant i agree he was ignorant in matters not revealed to him till it was revealed to him!
I am also ignorant in matters of what i don't know!
Even Jesus was ignorant when he was asked of the Hour!

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:32
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36

Tell me the hour now and let's see if you are not still ignorant of it like Jesus! Even with all your Holy Spirit you can't know it! All those who predicted it failed!

That's a fake Jesus!

If Mohammed would not know something, it shouldn't be such things as a spirit! He should stop calling himself a prophet!

Kobojunkie:
1. Wrong! It is based on the claim you made in your previous comment!

I never made any such claims. Can you prove me wrong?

2. John 3 vs 14 - 18 & Matthew 6 vs 7 and Matthew 15 vs 20 - 28 made this abundantly clear.

You better quote out these verses so that I can expose you!

3. I am not the one here pretending to be of Jesus Christ. You are so you are the one to affirm to all that you who claim to know Jesus Christ are in fact of the bloodline of Jacob.

I am of the bloodline of Jacob already. You're the one who said only people like me have a part in Jesus. So, you must respect me for who I am.

sonmvayina:
Which thing you talk wey make sense?

You see, the words of the wise never make sense to those who lack wisdom.

Kobojunkie:
There's absolutely none to be found in all of Israelite Scripture, but that did not stop you from making the claim earlier.

So, in a nutshell, your accusation is based on what you think about us, and not on what we really say or do?

However, Jesus Christ of Israel instead made clear that the only people who have a part in him are those who are of the bloodline of Jacob— without this it is impossible to even approach Him— AND are born-again.

Can you quote where Jesus Christ said only those who are of the bloodline of Jacob have part in Him?

And before you waste your time unnecessarily, kindly note that I am of the bloodline of Jacob. I have a part in Him therefore, while you have no part according to your warped understanding. So, give me my respect!

MaxInDHouse:
You're wasting your precious time because he doesn't believe in either Jesus or Muhammad he's just seeking attention from believers of both books!

Thank you.

AntiChristian:
Yes if the lie is not deliberate and you are telling lies on me then may you be cursed! May you be judged wrongly as you are judging me right now! You are the accuser not me! So you should say Aamen!

Mtcheww. Hypocrite!

If you're sure of yourself, bind yourself with your curse and say amen!

Spiritual relationship with someone you don't know? Abeg! You Christians are full of errors! Your brains have been removed and something else have been used to replaced it. I was like that before but Alhamdulillah! It's been a fruitful journey!

Crass ignorance!

If we don't know Jesus, you're the one who knows Him or your ignorant mohammed who did not even know what a spirit is?

sonmvayina:
You watch too many Disney junior and Nollywood movies,
How you want take get sense?

That's actually applicable to you!

AntiChristian:
It is false as i saw no Muslim pray for anybody! It's not even our business! Democracy is disbelief in Islam! Who prays for such? We only pray generally May Allah grant us good leaders! And we obey whoever leader is appointed! Many Pastors predicted Obi would win! Maybe your GO is Adeboye or his associates who are related to the first lady as a RCCG member! And what's Christian about Kamala? Don't they promote LGBT and the likes over there? Abeg....!

Mohammed himself was a politician. Muslims do more politicking than Christians especially in Nigeria here. The Church is just waking up politically. Don't tell me that politics is disbelief in Islam. There's no proof of such from the life of your prophet and from the lives of you his followers.

I don't think i can ever understand! Since it is written in Greek!

What's the difference if God is involved in a Book and God wrote it himself?
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:16!

What does God-breathed mean?

Yes, you can never understand because you're only sworn to criticize and not to learn. Those who criticize would find damnation but those who learn would find Truth.

"God Breathed" is a physical expression of a spiritual phenomenon. When the Spirit of God is in you, He stirs you occasionally into certain actions. You'll feel it in your breathing. As you breathe, it's like Someone within you is breathing along with you and giving you ideas and the impetus to do something important. You're stirred up, either to preach, write, pray, fast, heal the sick, make spiritual declarations or do anything that is in the mind of God for you - a divine assignment. Anyone with the indwelling Presence of the Holy Spirit can relate.

In the case of the writers of the Bible, they were stirred up to write accounts about the life of Jesus. They had to then research, gather knowledge and write what they know. The Holy Spirit guides them to write what THEY KNOW to be the truth even if they themselves were vulnerable. That is why Bible writers can include their personal failures in their narrations even though they're ashamed of themselves for such failings. Yet, they must obey the Holy Ghost. An example is John going to fish when he was supposed to be preaching the Gospel.

After writing the book truthfully to the best of your knowledge, God breathes on it, and that's when such a book written by man can profit the spirit of man.

Now, for example, whenever I feel spiritual hunger in my spirit, I'll take up the Bible and read. The more I uncover deep revelations, the more fed and energetic I feel in my spirit. What I read has profited my spirit because the breathe of God is upon it.

Meanwhile, if I take any other book in my experience, such as the book of Maccabees for instance. I could read several chapters and the spiritual hunger would still remain. Yeah, the book was truthfully written but because it has not got the breathe of God upon it, it is just like any other book. A story book.

In the same manner, the entire Bible is just like any other story book to anyone whose spirit has not been made alive by Christ. If you're not born again, you cannot interact with the Spirit of God in the Bible. Your spirit is dead. It has no life, and therefore cannot perceive the touch of God.

To profit from the Bible, you need to be made a living soul by being born again. Then, your spirit being made alive by Christ can relate with the spirit realm and be able to perceive the breathe of God or the touch of God on the pages of Scripture. Otherwise, the Bible is just another story book to you!

AntiChristian:
You are the one pressing me for lies! I made a mistake and i opened up after you mentioned it. I corrected it. You kept on pressing! Say Aamen if you are sure i was telling lies? Shebi your John said Jesus said as you Judge so also you will be judged!

I have said it was not a mistake and that the lie was deliberate. You wanted another person to take responsibility for your actions and issued a curse. Curse yourself to prove your innocence, you started giving excuses. Hypocrite!

Chai! See Lamba that makes sense!

You don't know God, and infact, you're actually in gross error for thinking that a physical relationship with Jesus is more important than a spiritual relationship with Him.

AntiChristian:
Was this revealed to you by the Holy Spirit? May you be cursed if i DIDN'T DELIBERATLY LIE in the said post! Say aamen! I think that should settle it.

You should curse yourself instead to prove your innocence. Hypocrite! And whatever curse you place on yourself will surely stand!

How many years did he know Jesus to write about him in details? And was he writing about Jesus in John 1:1 downwards?

In John 1:1 downward, He wrote what he knew about Jesus in His 50yrs of walking with Him in the spirit.

In the rest of the book, he wrote about what he knew of him for the 3 and half years of him being with Jesus.

AntiChristian:
Which kind nonsense be all this? Didn't Christians pray for Obi here too? Did he win? It just shows how far you can go to spread falsehood! Truth is truth no matter how much you overlook it. Even if a pagan states the truth i will affirm the truth and stand by it.

No, Christians were devided here. Infact, my own G.O plainly announced Tinubu as his preferred candidate. Some Christians prayed for Obi, some prayer for Tinubu. In the united states, Christians united and even matched to the Whitehouse to pray. That's the difference. Did Tinubu not rally some bishops around him? Christians didn't unanimously choose obi as you want us to believe. My assertion still stands.

I never said it matters! What i am saying is that at least one or more reports is erroneous and false!

None is false. You don't understand what was written.

So how did Judas die exactly?

I already told you.

[quoted]If God were to write the Bible by Himself...? Didn't you say the Holy Spirit was involved? Is that not God?[/quote]How does God being involved equals God writing by Himself?