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AntiChristian:
sonmvayina, no mind am o! He was not able to debunk any lie! What he does is to merge all the Gospels together and call them all the truth!

If i ask him this below


His response will be that the two narrations happened to Judas and was reported differently whereas the two are unrelated!

You need to even unite with sonmavyina, a pagan to disparage the Bible. You're a pagan too anyway, you're just disguising. This makes me remember how witches in the USA and Muslims around the world united together to enthrone Kamala Harris against the Choice of Christians. Muslims prayed. Witches cast their spells. Christians prayed, and Trump won. You and witches and all the pagans of this world can unite, the Word of God will still stand.

The things you wrote up there do not matter to Christianity. Whether Judas bought a field or he cast out the money, our salvation does not depend on it.

However, there's a prophecy regarding Judas, and a careful look at Matthew's account explicitly fulfills that prophecy. Hence, if you are desirous of knowing exactly what happened in that story, go for Mathew s account.

If God was to write the Bible by Himself, there'll be only one account. But since God used many men, you can compare between what they wrote to find exactly what happened.

Judas bought the field with the proceeds of wickedness, not from what he made by betraying Jesus but from what he made by various wickedness which he had wrought, for he was known to be a thief.

AntiChristian:
Everyone but not you! Everything is correct inasmuch as it is in the Bible! That's your law!

Hahaha, don't change the focus of the comment. You lied and quickly made a U turn when you were exposed!

Narration of a biography with details and accuracy is different from teaching maths! Stop comparing oranges to Apples!

Teaching maths is not different from teaching history or teaching the life of a person as in our context. The point is that John will not forget the life of the person whom he talks about every day for 50yrs.

Practicing Jesus does not stop the Biography written by John to be erroneous! Was John present when Jesus was born till he reached 30? When exactly did John meet Jesus?

And John didn't write about those days when he was not present with Jesus. Or would you tell me what John wrote about Jesus before 30?

So if you claim John is the most right then others should be wrong in what they differ!

I have told you that if you have any confusion, go to John for clarification.

The closest report to an event is usually the most authentic but even Mark has it's own errors!

Mark was not an eye witnesses.

Those petty things you hang on don't matter to Christians. They have to matter to Islam because you claim your Quran was descended from heaven and written by Allah. Hence, any human limitations in your Quran like the Mary the sister of Aaron is Jesus mother nonesense or the Samaritan with Moses lies, is enough to disqualify your book.

These are the things that can destroy Christianity:

1. If you can prove that Jesus never died. His death is significant for the purification of our souls.

2. If you can prove that Jesus never resurrected. His resurrection is significant to the redemption of souls.

3. If you can prove that Jesus is not coming back a second time. His return is significant for our eternal rewards and fruits of our salvation.

AntiChristian:
I don't watch videos!
So since you mentioned me on it try and transcribe what is said here with references!

I am always praising the works of my Prophet as he was sent by Allah!
You don't need to remind me of that!

If the praise of your prophet is that important to you, you'll go the extra mile to watch the videos that talk about his works even though you won't watch other videos.

sonmvayina:
Yes it is...
I stand by it..
You have seen why I say it is superior,the bible is full of contradiction and misinformation,

So, whose gospel are you preaching?

Nobody has seen any contradiction and misinformation. All the lies of the OP has been debunked.

Your lies too will be debunked as they were debunked in your previous interactions with me.

Hey, I cast out devils in the name of Jesus and I bind the demons whom you pagans worship. Witches tremble at my presence and cannot stand the word of God when I utter it out with fire. How then does ifa stand superior to the Bible when the same ifa tells you to appease witches and demons whom I bind with my words from the Living Scriptures?

AntiChristian:
You should transcribe in words if you dare and let me see!

That's why i give references for you to fact check and I'll correct whenever i misquote!

Prophet Muhammad was not sent to the world as a scientist like Isaacs Newton, the father of Mechanics and Calculus, or Michael Faraday, the Father of Electricity, or Graham Bell, the Father of Telecommunication, or Nicholas Tesla!

Just as Jesus, John, Moses, Abraham, etc. and other Prophets too were not scientists!

What evil exactly have I said that you want me to transxtibe in words? Tell me exactly the evils I must have said regarding the video. Or is it evil to call you to come praise the works of your prophet?

AntiChristian:
That moniker dey vex you?
Or na the religion dey vex you?

If you sabi your onions you don't need to mention that especially when you are asked about your Bible!

Did I mention that in all my posts about the Bible?

Someone was telling you why you're acting so desperate to disparage the Bible, and I commented that he might be correct. You came to ask an unrelated question about you mentioning Islam here. Then turn around to ask if the region or Monika vexed me when I was only answering your question.

AntiChristian:
If i deliberately lied will i correct it?

Yes you will. Everyone corrects his lies when he's put to public shame and he has no further means of defending the lies.

The Gospel of John was the last of the Gospels written over 50 years after Jesus left this world! Is this what you are telling me to go and find my answers in? Even if you are told to narrate a story that happened 50 years ago when you are around 70 how much accuracy will you still possess? And Matthew met Jesus in Matthew 9:9. Though the reporting suggests Matthew was not the one writing!

The Salvation of the People is dependent on God's word and His Prophet! Through the times, people have been saved by the believe and obedience to the Torah and other scriptures send to them!

Of course now. He was actively practicing what he knew of Jesus during those 50yrs. Are you telling me that someone who studied mathematics 50yrs ago and continued to teach maths for 50yrs after graduation would not be able talk the truth about maths?

John did not only learn Jesus, he practiced Jesus and was a 'Professor' of Jesus for that matter if I might use the word. He knew Jesus both physically and spiritually. A man who walked with Jesus in the flesh for 3 and half years and still walked with Him in the Spirit for 50yrs has a lot to offer about Jesus.

The other disciples instructed John to write, after his writing, they reviewed it and recommended his book as being authentic:

John 21:24

"This disciple is the one who testifies to these events and has recorded them here. And we know that his account of these things is accurate."

Above are not the words of John but the testimony of other disciples after reviewing what John wrote.

MightySparrow:
Among those that walked through the planet earth, Prophet Mohammed (SAW), the leader of mankind did so many things for humanity. Out the countless things only five are discussed here..He is in no comparable to Isaacs Newton, the father of Mechanics and Calculus, or Michael Faraday, the Father of Electricity, or Graham Bell, the Father of Telecommunication, or Nicholas Tesla and many great minds whose inventions have changed the quality of life of mankind.

The videos here highlight some of the important things Mohammed introduced to change the life of humanity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5jcnext45w?si=H3oCKbsppdNb8mEu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd7qeEvSE2w?si=8kJVcekeSb8chKv7

You will agree with the brother in this video that Mohammed is the gift of Allah to mankind.

cc: Antichristian , Acholardey, Emusan, adeoyekay, GothamCities, ANTIlSLAM, advocatejare
All Muslims in the house.

Antichristian, time to praise your prophet for his numerous good works.

sonmvayina:
You are trying to make Mark look like Luke...it does not work that way
At the end of the day whose gospel are you preaching?

This question is coming to me from someone who says Ifa is superior to the Bible. Lol.

AntiChristian:
Did i mention Islam here?

You guys with preempting others upon falsehood!

How can he correct?
Did i mention Islam in any of my post you've seen?

You will always be the first to mention it.

Do you need to mention Islam? You're a Muslim and your Monika is antichristian. That's enough for anyone to talk about your Islam.

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK, my friend is trying really hard to find out why his people chose Islam that's why he's always seeking validation for the religion that was handed over to him by his parents but he doesn't know how to go about it.

Lol.

You might be correct.

Antichristian is looking for validation for his Islam because he himself doesn't know why his parents handed him the religion.

22jumpstreet:
So it was not a significant event to John for him to forget about it. And Mark said it was Peter James and John that was there...such an event should have featured predominantly in John's account....but alas, it's not there...me think all these Gospels was written by anonymous authors.

If John didn't feature it, it's because it didn't come to his mind AT THE TIME HE WAS WRITING. If you've ever written a book , you'll understand. Was Mark lying? If mark was lying, Peter would not have independently mentioned the event much later in his epistles. Even Peter didn't provide details. The Gospel is not for show.

"16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount."

1Peter 1:16-18

22jumpstreet:
How did John miss the transfiguration of Jesus if it was written by an eye witness?
The transfiguration was only recorded by mark...or it that not a significant event??
Why?
Waiting patiently for your response.

Even John said He didn't write everything that happened in Jesus's life on earth. He wrote what he remembered as at the time he was writing.

Mark wrote about the transfiguration, and Peter also spoke about it later in one of his epistles.

Muurian:
Lol. How do you know, and you are telling me to study church history. So, in other words, which history? Pentecostals history or Catholic history?

Was there any Pentecostal or Catholic church until 300 AD? I even gave you a starting point from Constantine, yet you're here laughing ignorantly.

My friend, did Jesus the foundation of Christianity do any of the things the Catholics are doing? The last apostle of Jesus to die was John the Beloved. He lived to be about 94 years old, and died around 100 AD. 200yrs later, the Roman government came into the church and it became Roman Catholic. They imported all those pagan stuff into the Church? Or did you hear of any Roman Catholic in the days of Jesus and the apostles? The Romans brought it strange practices and a strange Gospel. Not Jesus, not the Apostles.

Tell me if Jesus did all those things you do. Tell me if any of the apostles did them. Even if you do not want to go by Church History, why are doing things that are entirely alien to the founders of the Christian faith?

AntiChristian:
That was unintended and has already been corrected!

After you were called out! You can't tell me you didn't read the verses before you posted the deliberate lies.

It was about the 6th hour he was brought to the crowd! 6th hour is already noon!

Mark claimed he was crucified by the 3rd hour which is 9am!

Reconcile these!

Show us how both are correct as you usually do![/size]

John was an eye witnesses of everything. Whatever you don't understand about what others wrote, go find your answers with John.

John did not just write but was instructed by other disciples to commit the life of Jesus into writing so that people can get clarity since several hundreds of people were churning out books about Jesus. After John wrote, his records were cross-checked and certified by other disciples.

While the other gospel writers wrote what they wrote in their zeal to have the history of Jesus recorded, they gathered information from various people. They were never eye witnesses. They recorded the events truthfully as they knew them to be. These recorded events give us a glimpse into the life of Jesus and His sayings but salvation is solely dependent on Jesus alone. Not on the letters of the Bible.

AntiChristian:

Which one is level of knowledge again? Is knowledge judged by level or by holy spirit?
When even the last words of Jesus is contested amongst the gospels. You're really amazing!

Are you kidding me?

Someone who does not read the Bible cannot be as knowledgeable
concerning it as someone who is an avid student of the Bible!

Before Jesus's death he said all these as his last words:

Eli Eli lama sabachthani

Eloi Eloi lema Sabachthani

Same word written in different pronunciation. What's your problem with that? If I tell you 'God' in Yoruba, and you go out to write that I said Ọlọrun or Olohun, which of them is a lie!? It's obvious you're just trying to force blames on the Bible. Very obvious!

Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit.

It is finished.

Can you help arrange the sequence he said all these? The sequence doesn't matter! The sequence doesn't save! Bla nla!

Jesus said more than that on the cross. Those are not His only Words. These are what some of His disciples remembered and have written down! If you have good logic, you'll know the sequence yourself. I have provided the sequence in a previous response. I won't reoeat myself to someone who is just a deliberate enemy of himself.

More like a last paragraph/sentences not words!

Done in a previous post! Go read it again!

AntiChristian:
See above!


See below!


If you say A is right then others are wrong!
You can only say all is right too!

Everything happened in a sequence. Join them all together to have all the details.

Kobojunkie:
So, Jesus Christ of Israel said He was sent to the Christians?

Can you give me any Christian quote, sermon, book or online platform that says Jesus Christ of Israel said He was sent to the Christians?

AntiChristian:
Hidden message? Who hid the message? Jesus or God? Where and when was it hidden? Why was it hidden?

The Word of God is deep. It is called Living Water. The letters are on the surface for shallow and canal minds like you to stumble at. Genuine seekers dig deeper and find Gold. The letters are not the Word of God. You don't have the Word of God until you have the revelation or heaven.

Only one did mention it. Others mentioned more than that! That's settled.

Can you see systematic lying? Which of them did not mention "King of the Jews"!

It would be a lie since the holy spirit is useless in guiding you in this regards. Which Jew should he explain it to? It was a Christian monk who asked a companion of the Prophet! And he answered well. This is why I always say most of you are hypocrites!

He a sweet falsely. Mohammed has been known for falsehoods and coverups. He said Mariam the sister of Aaron was the mother of Jesus. Mariam is not the mother of Jesus biologically, chronologically or in any figure of speech. They do not belong to the same lineage and Mariam was never regarded as a mother of Israel in any sense of the word for her to have been called the mother of Jesus. Mohammed was just a pathological liar.

Tabloids are not the word of your God nor claimed to be guided by the holy spirit. It's alright if you don't see anything!

Tabloids are not the word of God but the same principles apply. Tabloids are written by men, the Bible was written by men. Men are not perfect in knowledge, hence, they complement each other when they write individually on the same topic!

AntiChristian:
Where have I not being truthful before? You are the one who haven't been truthful saying everything is true even when it is clear it isn't!

So about the 6th hour is when?

Just tell us when Jesus was crucified! Marry all the verses together as you usually do!

Where did John say that Christ was crucified in the 6th hour! Let's bust your lies!

AntiChristian:
K, I hear your own holy spirit! Make I hear other's own! All is right in the Bible as usual!

Others will respond to you according to their levels of knowledge. But as someone who has studied the Bible from cover to cover countless times, I have given you my findings. The Gospel are complementary. No single Gospel covers every detail of Jesus' life. Even the four gospels together did not cover all the details of Jesus life. To have more details about any event, you need to read all 4 gospels and fill in the gaps.

All what Jesus did in life and on the cross were in sequence. The sequences are scattered all over the 4 Gospels.

Kobojunkie:
The foundation of your Pentecostal churches is drawn from that which is the Catholic church —imagery, rosaries, the queen of heaven, and and "mother of God" that the Catholics practice— and not from the person of Jesus Christ of Israel, however. 🤔

I have observed your posts and can say with all confidence that you are no Christian. You have no part in this matter as you do not even know God, neither do you know his Son Jesus.

Muurian:
@bolded.
How do you know

Study Church History my friend. Those things were brought into the Church by Constantine the emperor of Rome in his attempt to merge the Church and the state.

Jesus, His disciples, and all the Christians who lived 300yrs before Constantine never practiced such profanities.

MightySparrow:
That's what annoys me about this antichristian. He can lie!

His lies are more than Yussuf Irọ́pọ̀jù, Zakir Naik, Ahmed Deedat and all


Anyway his religion is Lielam

Gbam!

He was still denying. He never stands on the truth.

AntiChristian:
When Was Jesus Crucified?
The crucifixion of Jesus is the central event of the Passion narrative, but the narratives don’t agree on when the crucifixion occurred.
1. Mark 15:25 - Jesus was crucified on the “third hour.”
2. John 19:14-15 - Jesus was crucified on the “sixth hour.”
3. Matthew, Luke - It’s not stated when the crucifixion starts, but the “sixth hour” occurs during the crucifixion

Which is correct?
A. 3rd Hour.
B. 6th Hour.
C. 6th Hour occurs during the crucifixion.

Why can't you be truthful for once? Quote the verse out and point out where John said Jesus was crucified at the 6th hour.

John 19:14-15

"14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar."

Where did John saw in the verses above that Christ was crucified in the 6th hour?

And also state how the 6th hour occured during the crucification as narrated by Mathew and Luke.

Muurian:
And which people carried on after the apostles for centuries before pentecostals came into the view?

Those who carried on after the apostles for 300yrs before the Roman government introduced strange practices into the Church didn't do any of these things you Catholics do.

If you even think those who carried on did something differently from those who started it, are you not supposed to question it?

AntiChristian:
Jesus’ Last Words
1. Jesus’ last words before dying are important, but no one seems to have written them down.
2. Mark 15:34-37, Matthew 27:46-50 - Jesus says: “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (but they use different Greek words for “God”— Matthew uses “Eli, is” and Mark uses “Eloi”)
3. Luke 23:46 - Jesus says: “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit.”
4. John 19:30 - Jesus says: “It is finished.”

The three options are as follows:
A. Eli Eli (or Eloi, Eloi) lama Sabachthani!
B. Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!
C. It is finished!

So what is Jesus's last words?

Whether Jesus said Eli or Eloi is irrelevant! Both means 'God.'

The Gospels complement each other, so Jesus' last words were: "It is Finished! Father, into thy hands I commit my Spirit."

Muurian:
If you are not doing what the original founders started and have devised your own personal strategies of worshipping God, you are not a Christian. That's the summary. It doesn't matter how you sugarcoat it.

Being a Christian entails following certain lay down traditions and dogmas. Imagine you trying to be Chinese when you don't have Chinese roots. That's a futile exercise.

So it doesn't matter how many times pentecostals repeats that they're Christians, they lack the capacity to make themselves Christians even if they worship Christ.

This should be simpler to understand now for you.

The foundation of the church is from Jesus Christ and His 12 apostles. Now use them to justify imagery, rosaries, the queen of heaven and and "mother of God" that the catholics practice.

AntiChristian:
A word of God should not contain error as clear as this. Again only one Gospel used "king of the Jews" others were wrong as they had more details! This questions the source of the reports!

Yes, the word of God is the hidden message of love that the Bible carries. Not the letters that were written.

1. Mark 15:26 - The inscription:“The King of the Jews.”

2. Matthew 27:37 - The inscription: “This is Jesus the King of the Jews.”

3. Luke 23:38 - The inscription: “This is the King of the Jews.”

4. John 19:19 - The inscription: “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews.”

So which of them didn't mention King of the Jews?

The Christian monks asked the same question during the time of our Prophet and it came to his notice:
Mughira ibn Shu’ba reported: When I came to Najran, the Christian monks asked me, “You recite the verse, ‘O sister of Aaron,’ (Qur'an 19:28) but Moses was born long before Jesus by many years.” When I came back to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, I asked him about it and he said, “Verily, they used to name people with the names of prophets and righteous people who had passed before them.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2135 Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Muslim

[b]Ibn Kathir said, “This is like saying to somebody from the Tamimi tribe: O brother of Tamim, or to somebody from the Mudari tribe: O brother of Mudar.” Source: Tafsīr Ibn Kathīr 19:28

Lies!

Mohammed explicitly said the sister of Aaron was the mother of Jesus. That coverup of the lies holds no water. Mohammed should have boldly followed the fellow to go explain that to the Jews if he was sure of himself!

How are we to trust every other things in the Bible when ordinary Inscriptions are wrong from the four Gospels?

You have failed to show me any error so far!

So you determine they complement each other on your own?
This is extremely funny! Anyways! I had expected this before! Thank you for your time!

A careful study of all the Gospels together already shows they're complementary. Each person says what he knows while others provide more details for the same event. This is typical of all reports made by men for every event that happens. The typical tabloids are classical examples.

AntiChristian:
Did Mark himself know the meaning of a theme?

1. Who told you Mark was there to hear before?

2. This can't be proved! Holy Spirit selected the conversation as unimportant for Mark but it was important for Luke!

Yes! Everyone has his own message. The Holy Spirit does not send any single individual to preach EVERYTHING!

3. Mark forgot.... Too many excuses from your bank! You just can't exhaust your excuse bank for all these visible lies! Do you know Mark has two endings, a longer one i.e. Mark 16:15–20 and a shorter one without it?

Can you show me where I said Mark forgot?

That's how dubious and corrupted that book is!

The dubious and corrupted book is the one that said sperm is produced in the backbone of men, and that Mary the mother of Jesus was the sister of Aaron. The Quran is such a dubious book that even said there was a Samaritan with Moses as they journeyed from Egypt. While also claiming to have fallen from heaven!

The Bible didn't fall from heaven. It was written by frail men who had no perfect knowledge but were willing tools in God's hands to pass His message down to us. It is the Quran that is dubious to have claimed to come from heaven and yet have so many weird errors, contradictions and satanic verses.

So whether it is composed of lies or not! You accept it by faith! That's a typical Christian dogma! Letter kills! Thanks!

The only difference is that there are no lies! Everyone narrated what he knew to be the truth!

I quoted from the Greek translation and normal dictionary! And that suffices me. From a distance or from afar is a long way from the source!

Thank you o!
Nothing can be wrong from the Bible!

None of what you quoted mentioned that Mark said "far away "

AntiChristian:
Of course you can't see! How will you see anything? When it's not Islam! They were particular about the truth!

They were particular about the truth, and the truth is that there was an inscription written by Pilate with the words "King of the Jews". All other details are irrelevant.

The Holy Spirit was to guide to the truth! Yet, they wrote the wrong things!

What was the wrong things they wrote? Is it as wrong as Mohammed who wrote that Mary the sister of Aaron was the mother of Jesus?

However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come. John 16:13

Was the inscription a truth that was to come as the time they wrote? Was it a revelation?

They were written independently and not to complement each other! And this one can't complement one another as only one can be right!

They complement each other. They didn't write to complement each other but they complement each other!

All are right! All said there was an inscription. All said it was written by Pilate. All said the inscription contained the accusation; King of the Jews!

All other details regarding the exact written sentence are Irrelevant!

AntiChristian:
You can't see it till you open your eyes! Can't you see that you are the only one defending the errors! Everyone knows only one statement can be right from the four!

I can't see the 'everyone' you're talking about.

I told you they were not particular about quoting the inscription word for word. They were just reporting. The inscription carries no significance to any Christian!

It's only one of them that will still be right! Others will be wrong! Except they all have the Holy Spirit like you! Then all wrong will be seen as right!

A combination of all statements is what is right! The Gospels complement each other.