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TAO12:
Nope!

A “Benin-child” is born = A “loser-in-life” is born.

But things are changing lately. See attached.

I thought Etinosa1234 have seen the light...

Anyway since youre now depending on benin
People as source of evidence then we have delt a big blow to your lying machines, that youre now result in using benins as evidence

Lol

TAO12:
No! Your Benin brothers are mere testimonies (I know that’s a very big word for you) to the fact that historical facts, truth, etc. can still have its way through a Benin skull regardless of the ban on brain usage by your oba.

Youre looser.....


And a talkative

samuk:
I understand your pain and emotional outburst. I wouldn't have expected less from you, not after I have exposed the politics behind the Benin/Ife connection fairytale . Take it easy, you didn't really believe that the truth will be hidden forever, do you.

The situation is so bad that you now rely on comments from Benin people on nairaland as evidence to support your fairytale. You are now like a broken record that repeats itself. Meanwhile I am chipping away what's left in your Benin/Ife fallacy.

I have already shown the relationship between Benin and Yoruba in the earlier part of this thread.

The relationship was filled with blood of many Yoruba traditional rulers that were beheaded by successive Obas of Benin before 1897. But after 1897, the story changed, it was as if Benin didn't have history pre 1897. It was as if Benin began a new dynasty after oba Ovonramwen.

Benin automatically became Yoruba relatives. Benin princes even started bearing Yoruba names, meanwhile, no Benin prince had Yoruba name in the previous 900 years, people started writing stories/lies to cement this new found relationship, forgetting that the Europeans have been painstakingly documenting Benin history for over 400 years.

I asked for evidence were the oba of benin was praised in yoruba names, prior to 1897

Or prior to oba ewuare 11, to make it easier

TAO12:
And it was never my fault that samuk’s brain is under lock and keys.

Visit these comments of mine again, samuk, whenever your oba lifts the ban he placed on the use of brain.

It was never my fault that samuk failed Maths basic arithmetic at school — hence his PTSD from Math.

In any case, your people who can read and who know some arithmetic have been following my comments, and their testimonies are attached below.



PS: References to this great overlord (to whom Benin obas are subservient) is documented not once, not twice, not thrice by independent Europeans; but at least five separate times spanning centuries prior to the 1800s.

Peace!

So our benin brothers is now your historians you quote.. Lol

samuk:
The word treaty itself is a foreign word to us. I suppose they are referring to some sort of agreement between the Oba and some/a powerful chief or even a prince of the royal household.

It's quite possible that the Oba would have entered into many of such peaceful agreements when he was unable to use force to have his ways.

The history of Edayi n' Iken or Edaiken of Uselu is one of the numerous internal conflicts from internal rivals the past Oba had to find ways to overcome.

Iken was said to be a powerful figure in Uselu who the Oba of Benin wasn't comfortable with and he was sent on a war with eastern Yoruba. It was said that unknown to Iken, the Oba instructed some Benin soldiers who accompanied Iken on the war to ensure Iken doesn't return alive.

After successfully prosecuting the war and on their way back to Benin, Iken was murdered, the rumour of his murder got to his supporters in Uselu. His Uselu people threatened to attacked Benin, the Oba sent a message to them that Iken wasn't dead and he will returned back to them as soon as the war was over.

An agreement was reached in which the Oba sent his first son and heir to Uselu, only to be returned back to Benin whenever Iken returns. On the demise of the Oba and as Iken was yet to return back to Uselu, the Oba heir is escorted back to Benin and the next heir is sent back to Uselu to continue to hold Iken's place.

Back to the Ekiokpagha treaty, I very much doubt that this treaty/agreement have anything to do with Ife. The reason for my doubts is simply the fact that Ife didn't appear in Benin history until the end of the Benin empire in 1897. Ife wasn't either in Benin oral history none can it be found in the history of Benin that were documented by European eyewitnesses.

Everything to do with Ife was created and written after 1897. Ife was inserted into Benin history after 1897 for the mutual political benefits of the Oba of Benin and Yoruba who were looking for rich history such as that of Benin to give some prestige to the Yoruba tribe that largely lack history before 1826.

Benin/Ife relationship was a politically created history after 1897. This is why there are hardly any concrete and convincing evidence to support such relationship pre 1897.

If Benin had any relationship with Ife pre 1897, our oral history would have been littered with it. It would have also been documented by the Europeans.

The reference to Ekiokpagha treaty was just to add flavour to this fairytale.

After the British destroyed Benin in 1897, they also wanted to end the present dynasty but failed in this aspect. Some Benin nobles and princes started this fairytale relationship with Ife for the survival of the dynasty. As soon as Nigeria got independence from Britain and midwestern region pulled out of western region, the Benin/Ife narrative changed. Oduduwa that was created from Yoruba myths in 1897 changed to Izoduwa.

Those that are seriously interested in true history of Benin should find European eyewitness accounts written in just 1800s, no need to go far back. Read Button accounts when he interviewed Oba of Benin in 1865, there was a clear distinction between Yoruba and Benin people. Read Hughes 1826 encounter with the Alaafin of Oyo, again, another clear distinction was made between Benin and Yoruba.

How many of the 39 obas of Benin before they were recently increased to 40 had Yoruba names. Why will Oba of Benin be Yoruba and not bear Yoruba names. The biggest identifier of Yoruba people anywhere in the world is their names which they are very proud of. Yoruba only started appearing in the royal household starting from oba Eweka 2. How many of Ovonramwen children had Yoruba names.

Benin share far more commonality in names with the Igbos than with the Yorubas.

1. Ugo (name of ugbe village)
2. Isi
3. Iken
4. Izu
5. Agboghidi (obi of Onitsha traditional title)
6. Udo (name of Onitsha revered shrine)
7. Okoro
8. Eze
Etc.

The relationship Benin had with Yoruba before 1897 is not different from the relationship Benin had with Igbos because Benin is situated between these tribes and Benin expanded in all directions.

If you are one of those that have not be able to read the history of Benin earlier than 1897, it's very easy for you to be fooled that Benin or atleast the Oba of Benin is Yoruba but as soon as you read earlier than 1897 you begin to see the lie.

The ekiokpagha treaty has nothing to do with ife thats something i dont need to be told and thats why the ogiemeien family will keep failing in court cases against oba because they dont even the correct they are fighting for....

The ekiokpagha treaty also has nothing to do with Ekaladerhan..


The ekiokpagha treaty could be one of the Civil wars that happened years after Eweka...

There was so many treaty of peace in benin

The treaty oba ozulua had with the esan
The esan gbe do
The treaty with iken
The treaty with udo

And so many more

And this are all indigenous treaties

So why is ogiemien own different

Maybe the struggle was a tussle to control the entire benin could be there was two kingship in benin.... The ogietor and ogiemien both kings fought themselves and a treaty was reached for peace and only uniting both kingdoms could bring peace...


But one thing is sure non of the benin royal entity had anything attached with the yorubas the benins constantly used the yorubas as sacrificial lambs, no element of benin royak title or worship trace anything to yorubas

theTranscriber:
igodomigodo and eshan are Biafrans?
lol
eboes won't cease to be foolish
gregyboy see this idiot

Nothing when person nor go see for nairaland
Everybody na historian, even igboo sellers

If anybody sees anything like ekiokpagha treaty in any old document let us know...

I feel personally ekiokpagha treaty is a peace treaty made by arohuan and esigie..


Samuk
Etinosa1234
Areafada2

UGBE634:
The fact is who is Edo or not is not for him to decide, it was bestowed on me by my ancestors not him. I am not even from the stock that migrated here, I am from Ugo, I am pure Edo. The Oba himself knows he is Yoruba, how would a man contend in a land that is his. The Ekiokpagha treaty is the greatest deciding factor for me

Ekioghigba treaty is an indigenous treaty and has nothing to do with yoruba


We really don't know the history of ekiogoba treaty, the palace is hiding the true history



The ekiokpagha treaty assocaiting oba of benin to ile is absolute fairytale


Benin in her long documented history has never one day referenced ife in her history or documentation


There is no trace of yoruba names or activites in the royal palace

How did ogiemien family know the oba of benin came from ife and not a village around benin


What i can say his the benins have rubbish their oen history with their own hands

The association of benin with ife began in the early 1900


There is no evidence of ekiokpagha treaty in the past and no evidence that the Oba of benin is from or neighbouring yoruba country


Samuk


I would need you to talk on this

TAO12:
https://www.nairaland.com/6482972/name-lagos-called-ekonunuame-benins/25#104790300

Lol, Ugbe is a yoruba man

Oduduwa was a female goddess in 1894 and transgended to a man in 1897

TAO12:
PS: References to this great overlord (to whom Benin obas are subservient) is documented not once, not twice, not thrice by independent Europeans, but at least five sepearate times spanning centuries prior to the 1800s.

Peace!

Only if the ooni of ife was really oghane n uhe

You wont br here trying to convince us to think otherwise

Ife is west oghene is east but tao11 says no..

That west means east and east means west... Lol

In my who life of reading yoruba history is only the benins that have called ooni of ife, oghene u uhe amongst all Yorubas kings... Lol that calls ooni as ooni

Is God not wonderful

That only the benins calls ooni of ife oghene n uhe amongst all other Yoruba kings...

I wonder why the oba benin could not know that is father name was ooni and not oghene


Tao11 can you help out

West is east and east is west

samuk:
Benin/Ife revisited

1. Benin was first visited by the Portuguese in the 1400s.
2. Various Europeans repeatedly visited and documented Benin history from the 1400s to 1897.
3. Benin empire was destroyed by British in 1897 and the Oba deposed to Calabar.
4. Between 1400 to 1897, a period of almost 500 years, nothing, Absolutely nothing was said/mentioned about Ife in Benin history.
5. Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were never mentioned in Benin eyewitness historical accounts.
6. The foremost Yoruba linguist Ajayi Crowder was said to have been born in 1809. He was captured and enslaved.
7. He returned back and started a mission in Nigeria in 1842 and started documenting Yoruba history.
8. He died in 1891.
9. In Ajayi Crowder lifetime, 1809 to 1891, Benin had five Obas. Five Obas of Benin reigned in Ajayi Crowder lifetime.
10. Five Obas of Benin died and five coronations of Obas of Benin were held in Ajayi Crowder lifetime.
11. Ajayi Crowder never mentioned Benin in connection with Ife. There is no eyewitness or hearsay from Ajayi Crowder that Benin had any relationship with Ife during his lifetime.

Evidence put forward in support of Benin/Ife relationship by preachers of Benin/Ife relationship before 1897.

12. The only evidence shamelessly provided so far by the preachers of Benin/Ife relationship is Organe.
13 Organe was said to have been mentioned in the history of Benin in the 1500s.
14. This Organe direction was given as east of Benin. Ife is west of Benin.
15. This Organe was said to be 900 miles from Benin, Ife is about 177 miles from Benin.
15. The travelling distance from this Organe was said to be 20 months from Benin. Ife is less that a day's journey from Benin.

Questions:

1. Why will Benin have relationship with Ife for over 800 years and not a single mentioned in the eyewitness documented history of either Benin or Yoruba for almost 500 years. Why not a single mention.
2. Why did Ajayi Crowder whose lifetime saw the reigns of the last five Obas of Benin before the end of the empire in 1897 not recorded or mentioned Benin/Ife relationship in his written works. Why didn't him mention this supposed very important relationship in his brief history of Yoruba.
3. Why were there no recorded interactions between Benin and Ife for almost 500 years.

Review of Organe evidence to support Benin/Ife relationship.

1. Even if Organe was Ife, why just one mention of this supposed fictional Ife in Benin history for a period of almost 500 years of documented history.
2. Apart from this one mention, there is absolutely no any other evidence put forward that Benin had anything to do with Ife before 1897.

Conclusion

It is safe to say that there is absolutely zero evidence to support the claims of Benin/Ife relationship before 1897.

The readers can Judge for themselves.

Nice one

Alphaman007:
They are not fantasies, they are real life situations. Humans have been recorded to take down Leopards, Cheetahs and pumas in some occassions. You Probably need to spend more time researching.

I never included lions, tigers and co.
Any fully grown man can take down a leopard when adrenaline kicks in, not without injuries.
Don't make assumptions, i never said leopards and co can't kill humans.
i just said it is possible for a full grown human to kill a leopard. Go figure.
And i guess you are the one spreading false narratives,

No cat whatsoever can take down a fully grown healthy Hippo or rhino even in some species of bears.

There is an Ethiopian tribe that haunt lions and almost extinct their lions

Etinosa1234:
Lol.. I doubt u have plans to reveal ur identity on nairaland

She is bluffing, she knows the benin-ife is a lie
She is just catching cruise debating us

Olu317:
Migrated from Near of Yoruba may look as fairytale but Yoruba DNA has shown that we cluster with ancestors from Morroco with 12.5 % and 4-19 % Neanderthal DNA from Europe and Near East.

Yoruba of Ijebu if claims origin from Near East is still inline. After all, Esan, Gambia Yoruba, Ewe, Mende in Sierra leone so little form of DNA link via intermarriages. So let Yoruba and face your minority Edo groups.

The African research is because of Yoruba history that has over 5000 research study on,which work taliies with Near East history ,which amazingly shock the Western world because they are looking for the myth as Yorubas.

You see, through genetic research ,Yoruba is gradually being classified as foreigners in their stronghold in Nigeria withhighlyt. Kindly face your minority Edo land and stop misleading yourself or others.

Funny, Bini has never been mentioned specifically on this genetic trend. While Esan has been mentioned .
Mind you, Edos women are highly traveled to European countries ,yet no information as regard this information. Guess what, the Yoruba ancestors were of iberomaursian in Morroco. Tell us, what were your ancestors history from world's perspective ?

We are aborigines, of our location, the original yorubas have been mixed with slaves from Cameroon and togo and co


Soon we will kick you guys and thr fulani off the Nigeria lands

Beebah2000:
Lol
Even do we no ask for money,una go still ask for SEX.
Men, fear men.

Nope we go ask for love

TheEnygma:
I understand how you feel..... I've been in the same boat too.
I broke up with a girl too because she refused giving me the kitten, I told her point blank that I love her very much but without the sex the relationship cannot move forward, it was after I made all the threats that she gave me what I wanted.... This was a girl that was constantly billing me like say I be her father .

Jesus and she b refuse u d kontos before

Dem know say if dem make d kontos easy to get their own don finsh so all thier investment is on their pussy

U threatened one also, after i finish spending on she was like i dont come to guy house omo i change am for am, i deleted her contact


Until after some days she told me she will come.. Na me even dey push d date wen i ready i go scatter d kontos

Beebah2000:
support, love, care, loyalty, companionship, trust, honesty etc.

Make i hear, which support mental support abi financial support

Women bring problem to men and not solutions

Nice, native culture should be celebrated irrespective of your worship in a foreign religion....we are africans that should be the first thing

Kudos to the yorubas and happy oshogbo festival

TAO12:
I’m planning a visit to Benin city in December.

Specifically to visit the Museum. I need to take some pictures of some artifacts in as part of the exhibit for a publication I’m working on.

Anyone willing to show me around just for the 3-day visit?

gregyboy, UGBE634, Etinosa1234, samuk, AreaFada2, Truthvalue;

Do you all know anyone who will be on ground and willing to take me around?

I would pay them.

I will love to see your works and shatter them... The way i do here.....

TAO12:
@gregyboy;

Why did you attach a picture of that Ile-Ife son to your last comment?

How does it relate to the crap your wrote.

Looking for attention to draw a conversation


Go snd check my mentions before you took your break and reply them..

If you have anything new spit it out

TAO12:
Another one attached!

My slaves, don’t tell a lie. You won’t have to remember what you once said.

You all are liars, but gregyboy have so far proven to be a more consistent liar.

The rest of you all have simply been jumping back and forth with contradictions from other threads.

LMAO!

You know why i still talk to you, regardless you're computed lieing machine youre smart...

If it wasnt for me... You would have landgrab benin history from my benin brothers....


You be fool... At d screenshot

UGBE634:
You be Goat o na auchi you go then you dae follow me dae nack teeth, it has been proven time and time again that Owan can hear central Esan,(such as Uromi,Irrua, Ewu) because Esan themselves are not one in language, someone will push a truck before a Man from Ekpoma will converse with a man from Ohordua efficiently. There are very few persons who love Edo the way I do and I have taken my time to study these dialects and languages. You will only see them as non Edos if you have a dismissive spirit and a mind made up against them. I have an ancestor from there and as a result in my younger days have been to Ewu, Ewohimi, and Ekpoma. My Father till date can speak fluent Esan. Some of his siblings who are Full Esans can't even speak up to his level. My grandfather is with multiple wives and one of them is Esan,another is Owan and another is Idoma, I grew up hearing these languages. an etsako man in a discussion I had with him about Oyakhilome interpreted the name Oyakhilome at first instance, I was amazed which could mean Oyaghilowmen in Benin meaning suffer nor go use me again,
Na you nor know Benin history Ozolua spent substantial part of his life fending off attacks from Afemai areas,that is Why the Afemai regard him as their father today.
If you want excerpt I can show you where a guy from Okpe(urhobos) was shocked when someone from Esan spoke and he went to meet to inquire what part of Okpe he is from and was shocked

.This is your very comment....

This is what i told Truthvalue until he accuse if an unkown agenda...


Now you came for my head because i said true edos

niggadee:
the ijebus omo obanta is 100% yoruba stop your deception

Tell that the ijebus that said they migrated from east africa not me bro

UGBE634:
You be Goat o na auchi you go then you dae follow me dae nack teeth, it has been proven time and time again that Owan can hear central Esan,(such as Uromi,Irrua, Ewu) because Esan themselves are not one in language, someone will push a truck before a Man from Ekpoma will converse with a man from Ohordua efficiently. There are very few persons who love Edo the way I do and I have taken my time to study these dialects and languages. You will only see them as non Edos if you have a dismissive spirit and a mind made up against them. I have an ancestor from there and as a result in my younger days have been to Ewu, Ewohimi, and Ekpoma. My Father till date can speak fluent Esan. Some of his siblings who are Full Esans can't even speak up to his level. My grandfather is with multiple wives and one of them is Esan,another is Owan and another is Idoma, I grew up hearing these languages. an etsako man in a discussion I had with him about Oyakhilome interpreted the name Oyakhilome at first instance, I was amazed which could mean Oyaghilowmen in Benin meaning suffer nor go use me again,
Na you nor know Benin history Ozolua spent substantial part of his life fending off attacks from Afemai areas,that is Why the Afemai regard him as their father today.
If you want excerpt I can show you where a guy from Okpe(urhobos) was shocked when someone from Esan spoke and he went to meet to inquire what part of Okpe he is from and was shocked

And you had to start with you be goat you that is not goat you still believe izoduwa crap is real why would ever take you serious

I would have taken you serious with this your writeup but then again you're not really smart so you could be missing things up

So sorry bro what you wrote is absolute rubbish.... And it ain't t fact...

If you want to debate it i will call in an esan man and owan man to prove you wrong if they can hear each other


Owan and esan can here themselves... Lol they can hear few words from each other i will understand that

Back to ozolua you know nothing.... Bro

Esigie was the the one who was stationed in afemai waring,

Ozulua. Was station in esan.... And not afemai


People of oza ngogo and oza nisi are more related to benins than afemais who mixed with yorubas, igalas and fulanis



Please don't say what you dont know

TAO12:
Thief!!!

Thief is using corner eye to covet us. We are not one of you, and we shall never be.

The relationship the royal house [of Lagos island] have is a maternally link to Benin through king Ado’s mom.

Binis, be contented with your low-self esteem.

Is not today i know you have a brown teeth caused from too much lieing....

Now keep shut

peeps4u:
With the bolded, you're obviously getting pressed with his feats and cosy apartment.

This is bitterness manifesting.

I guess youre one of d people he has given out his giveaway token too

You're coming from nowhere to just say rubbish

Truthvalue:
Samuk and every other Edo, I warn you against gregyboy, don't trust this guy. I don't know what he is looking for, but don't trust him, he has his own anti-Edo bias, I don't know where it comes from or why he is like this, I only notice it.

I dont know your agenda too but the france you stay really didn't differ your thinking from the Nigerians

You're more tribalistic than some Nigerians

Aworis are not edos period, only the royal house is

UGBE634:
what I am trying to tell you is that in terms of ancestry, descent and DNA, they are of the same very stock with us, have you heard an etsako man speak, or you are just dismissing them base on emotions, are you aware Owan can hear Esan, not a minimal level, but to an appreciable level like 70 percent, are you aware some Esan clans can hear some Urhobo also to an appreciable level, the Oba marrying from them changes nothing it might be some agreement or part of a military pact so the Esans who are Essentially warriors would see the central stool as theirs too and therefore not attack it, If Ozolua does not consider them as part of Us, he won't stay substantial years of his life in afemai deterring attack on this part of the kingdom that some of them refer to him as their father today.

You dont even know benin history and i dobut if you have stayed in other part of Edo state

Owan people are the afuze, sabogida ora...and most of these edo sub groups majourly flock in their education at auchi poly, which i once attended myself

If an estako man speaks pigin or his local dialect i can spot him right away from the crowd this how much i know them

Their language is similar to edo and they share ancestory with we benins no doubt, but they are heavily mixed bro... They hardly hear the benin language me and benin friends would speak benin in their mist to hide our conversation from them if we are discussing, only few words are similar to the benins....

They are too mixed to be regarded as true edos i have also been to esan areas, those people sometimes are more benim than we benins ourselves, our old cultural practice that has faded out in benin are still been practice there, even when we mock them they are not full edo, they will tell you, they are and benin is their senior

But the case is different in estako they align more with the yorubas and igala, they even think benins are Yoruba's na that one dey vex me pass

If an esan man speaks you can here 70 percent of the conversation as a benin man


And again ozolua regarded esans as edo he wanted to bring the esans under his full control which they resisted, we really dont know the true history guess the palace would know better, and he was in esan land fighting and not edo north, until he was betrayed and killed

UGBE634:
My brother there is nothing like true Edo. By DNA, the etsakos, Owans, some Akokos both in Edo and Ondo,Urhobos, and even some Ijaws are of the same very stock with us, the same very stock my brother, Language is one of the greatest factor if not the greatest factor in deciding brotherhood and relationship among tribes. If two tribes are far apart, and they speak the same language or language that is close, Then they are brother tribes and are from the same stock.
I know you won't tell pally IRIASE from Otuo that he is not Edo, he is a proud one and would ask you if he is not Edo then what is he, Is it Ozekhome from Etsako who bears Akpakpavighivighi one of Edo land , and he is also a proud one my brother.
When an UNUNOZEDO( the mouth that speaks Edo) conference was held in lagos, these men attended and in their grace too.because they are in the truest sense of the word, they are , in ancestry and in DNA.

Thry are true edos and they sub edos

The true edos are the edos that are less mixed
Edo and esan

Tell me have you ever heard in history were the oba if benin went as far as estako to have his wife but they go as far as esan to to have their wives...


I have stayed in estako and urhobo land those people are too mixed to be regarded as true edos the instant you claim them as edos the more problem you give to the edo people


I know you're trying to amass population for we edos for political benefits ... By calling every tribe benin had connection with as true edos...
Nah, true edos are esans and benin the rest are sub edoid which embrace all the groups you mentioned up there


Everything shouldn't be politics these is were we messed our history up with the yorubas for political advantage

SlyDev:
Igbo that can't compete with our decendant, igala and Bini in civilization, na Yoruba you open mouth pronounce like dat? Yoruba civilization can only be rivalled by Hausa or Kanuri, Bini follow up closely.

Which benin people b una descendant,

Tribal grabbers

Beebah2000:
Don't call us sex objects, infact, don't give us a name. Simple....!!!!

Ha, if object is remove then it is not describing women anymore...