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TAO12:
You’re giving the impression that they penetrated into the interior of Africa from 1470 onwards. That’s a big, fat, huge LIE.

Show me the European who penetrated from near the coast into the interior of Africa from the 1470s to the 1790s.

And if you can’t find one (of course you can’t), then a sane person would read up to understand why the Europeans didn’t dare penetrate deep from the coast areas into the deep forest interior until the late 1790s/early 1800s.

Yes the Benin kingdom of the time was from the coast of Ughoton and goes as far as probably Auchi.

So, the Europeans once in a while visit the capital city while remaining at Ughoton most times for their trade.

The Europeans traded with anyone (as long as they’re not too far off from the coast — whether it’s a village or it’s a kingdom).

Some of the many villages not for off from the coast whom Europeans traded with in the early centuries are: Cape-Palmas, Cape-Three Points, Komenda, etc.

At this point, a sane mind would ponder why they had trading relationships with places not far off from the coast (whether village or kingdom) from the west side to central Africa; but never daring to penetrate too deep into the deeply forested interior.


It would be MyTh IF and only IF the Benin king himself is a MyTH — because the conversation with the Bini ambassador(s) is about who is the most powerful king in the Guinea forest. And the answer given by the Bini ambassador is:

Ọghẹnẹ (classical Bini rendition), Ọghọni (the classical Yoruba rendition), Ogané/Hooguanee (the Portuguese rendition given in the texts).

Also, the conversation about this most powerful king continued for centuries. The Ooni was finally met in the 1800s at a time when Europeans could now reach the deepest parts of the West African forest interior.

LMAO! No, east is NOT west, and west is NOT east. And I never said it is.

The clarification from the consensus of the scholars of historical scholarship, instead, is as follows:

Ife is known by the epithet “ibi ojumo ti n mo wa” (i.e the place from whence the dawn comes) for a huge part of the Gulf of Guinea; not only in Benin kingdom.

~ Refer to the oba’s dawn prayers where he expresses the connection between Ife in particular (and Yoruba land in general) AND the dawn/rising-sun.

Thus, the description of the Ogané’s base (as the place from where the sun rises) as given by the Binis (to the Portuguese) is not a geographical/literal description; but rather religious/reverential.

However, the Europeans whom this description was given to received same non-literal description from a literalist European point of view. Hence the presence of the word “east” in the early Portuguese’s writings.

In addition to this clarification, maps drawn during the same period by other Europeans (e.g. the French) clearly shows the “Ogane’s Dominion” on the western side of Benin (over a vast expanse of the Nigeria area and beyond). Now you gerrit.

Get a grip.

Peace! ✌

TAO12:
Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period. Show me NOW.

KingOKON:
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Smoke some more Ogane weed you go see am

Redpillar:
Thread for ladies, 95% comments would be from men. Spits on this generation of talkative males.

bukatyne:
This story is not clear.

The inmate initiated the kiss right?

So why did he record it?

Why did she resign?

Is there no punishment for the inmate who engages in consensual sex activities with a prison official?

Koko0:
Thanks.

BornRicch:
Ogiso was in existence hundreds of years before oduduwa. The last Ogiso gave birth to Oduduwa the exile prince. Please, who was the father of Oduduwa.

OLOKUN175:
Oduduwa is a myth, the Oba certainly do have something to do with Yoruba but the Oduduwa and Ife tale is horsepile of Bullshit

Nisiw366:
I just told you fact. Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man.

Oranmiyan even named Benin ile ibinu which was corrupted to Benin

Ademola47:
Are you saying Oba of Benin ranks above the likes of Ooni of Ife, Alaafin of Oyo etc?

I doubt that.

Oduduwa, their historical father gave birth to seven children. During his death time, all his children were not home-based. He however had an aide who, though wasn't his biological child, knew about his power source and top secrets. The 'aide' afterwards was made to occupy the ancestral seat (reagent) and became pioneer Ooni of Ife. His first biological son, the pioneer Alaafin of Oyo believes he is superior. The superiority tussles is the feud often passed down to new Alaafin and Ooni. Luckily, the present Ooni accepted Alaafin as his father for peace to reign, basically due to age difference.

Politically, they are all first-class monarchs? Oba of Benin is not the first child or 'reagent'. He's just one of his children.

So on what basis is Oba of Benin the greatest?

Nisiw366:
Arindin just shut up

Benin didnt name Lagos eko so shut up

Oranmiyan founded Benin and named it ile Ibinu

Oba of Benin Is a Yoruba man

No Yoruba king is buried in Benin instead oba of Benin were buried in ife

If Benin name lagos, how come there's no single Benin king in Lagos out of numerous kings in Lagos. How come

isaacsegun:
(1) ON ITSEKIRI:

To know who the Itsekiris are, ask them. What/who do the Itsekiris themselves say they are?

(A) The eyewitness accounts collected from them in the 1800s have them confirming to the Europeans that they are part and parcel of the larger Yoruba group:

(I) “Let me now refer briefly to the tribes that people this part of the world. First we come to the Jakris, who are connected in race and language with the Yoruba people, extending from the Mahin country on the west to the Forcados on the East, and inland about as far as Sapele.”

~ H. L. Gallwey, “Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa,” The Geographical Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Feb., 1893), p.127.

(II) “In this respect, however, the officials agree with the tradition of the people at Warri, the Jekries, who claim to come from the west.”

~ H. Ling Roth, “Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts and Horrors,” (1903), pp.8-9.

(B) This historical reality of the Itsekiris have remained the same since that period (i.e. the 1800s & prior) all the way to the present century, day & time.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKLTie7LhKQ

(I) For example, at timestamp 7:01 to 7:13 of this video, Chief Robinson Ariyo (the Egogo of Warri kingdom) says and I quote:

“… Yoruba, a place where we are from … our roots.”


(II) At timestamp 8:22 to 8:27 of this video, Chief Isaac Jemide (the Oshodin of Warri kingdom) says:

“… we are a Yoruba people as such.”


(2) ON ODUDUWA:

First of all, there is no such historical personage called Izoduwa (Imadoduwa) etc. in Benin traditions.

The IzOdUwA narrative is a fabrication that was made up by some Binis in the 1970s. And it was first heard of by the typical Edo person during Omonoba Erediauwa’s coronation ceremony of 1978-9.

Academic/professional historians (NOT the Benin neighborhood story-tellers) all laugh at this fabrication for being a poor job. This scandal is known to experts. Benin elders also know it. See attached screenshot for one example.

The classical story of the Bini Ekeladerhan which was first collected in the year 1889 is clear that he lived the remaining part of his life in his newly founded kingdom, Ughoton.

A Bini chronicler and chief (J. Uwadiae Egharevba) who flourished decades later also collected practically the same story of Ekaladerhan (from an entirely different generation of Bini informants), and his story also ended at his kingdom, Ughoton.

During all these period, Benin history recognizes King Oduduwa as being distict from Ekeladerhan. In fact, it is clear from the early Benin works that Oduduwa was already a King at Ife long before Ekaladerhan’s fore-fathers would be born.

In other words, it is very clear from the early records of Benin history that Oduduwa ruled in Ife when the first Ogiso, viz. Ogiso Igodo was sent to Igodomigodo to establish a supreme-supra-chiefdom there.

Whereas, Ekalderhan is the son of the last Ogiso, viz. Ogiso Owodo according to Benin records (even the recent records haven’t yet modified this part).

This is what the earliest records of Benin history say — that, Oduduwa is a different and distinct person from Ekeladerhan. They flourished in different eras.

Fast forward to the 1970s, lies began to surface in the history of Benin. The motive behind these lies have been variously linked, by scholars, to — for example — the need for the modern Binis “to ground the idea of an exceptional antiquity for their people and claims for its exclusive part in the sociopolitical life of independent Nigeria” ~ Bondarenko (2003:68).

In summary, early Benin history recognize Oduduwa as a different & distinct person from Ekaladerhan. He is recognized as having flourished at the outset of the Ogiso monarchy. It wasn’t until the 1970s before the Binis attempted to alter their own early documented history so as to equate two different persons as one and the same person for the purpose of veiling what they perceive to be an embarrassing aspect of their history in a newly formed country, Nigeria.

So, who is King Oduduwa? Oodua ruled as king only in Yorubaland. So, again (just like the Itsekiris’s case) ask at Ife (where he ruled) to know who he is.

According to received Ife traditions (and obviously the earliest Yoruba traditions), Oduduwa is known (without any confusion) as Oshin Ora in his oriki.

In the earliest Yoruba traditions, he is identified as a Yoruba leader who hailed from the hilly settlement of Oke-Ora; that is, one of the seven hilly settlements surrounding the Ife-bowl.

Peace!
Cc: KingOdart, Nisiw365, theInterpreter, ibuildstuff, Born2Breed, donforeign, LamidiCownu

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PS: @Enceladus, please be guided that the circular burial pits discovered are eleven (11) in total.

Screenshot Reference:
J. Eboreime, “Oral Traditions and the Prehistory of the Edo-Speaking People of Benin” in Blench and Spriggs, Archaeology and Language I, Taylor & Francis e-Library, 2004, p. 314.

Koko0:
Lol. I'm not a Yoruba.
Kindly explain in bits.

Koko0:
I'm sorry but, I do not understand.

Koko0:
How do I use the green emojis on Nairaland?
Someone, please help.

Gbajure:
[s]Ọba a Bini word? I hope you know that Bini is a Yoruba name. Binis are those with half Yorùbá from Oranmiyan and half Edo bloods while Edos are the pure Edo bloods.

It has always been Ogiso during the Igomidogo dynasty. Ọba is 100% Yoruba and was introduced to Edo land by Prince[/s] Orammiyan

ThatFairGuy1:
But Sir Adesoji aderemi led Nigeria delegation to to coronation of the queen herself in 1950.

Here's the picture of him and Wilson's Churchill at the the palace
https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2020/07/05/oba-adesoji-aderemi-the-legendary-governor-king/

ThatFairGuy1:
Joker.

But Sir Adesoji aderemi led Nigeria delegation to to coronation of the queen herself in 1950.

Here's the picture of him and Wilson's Churchill at the the palace
https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2020/07/05/oba-adesoji-aderemi-the-legendary-governor-king/

Gbajure:
Thought indeed! Wasn't Ooni Aderemi the Governor over Benin land? Was Benin not UNDER Yoruba western region?

OwenJesse27:
Do you know that the world oba is a Benin word .. it was recently the Yorubas started using the name decades ago Yoruba leaders where address as kings

ThatFairGuy1:
Yes according to this picture

Nisiw366:
Fake picture

Nisiw366:
Most respected in Edo state

No one knows him outside Edo state

Tareq1105:
There's consequence in Yorubaland for misleading people with history you're not sure of.

I would rather keep quiet than be saying things that I cannot proof.

However, in my primary school days, History told us that Benin was founded by one of Oduduwa children either Eweka or Ewuare. I'm not really sure.

Nisiw366:
I have always known benidiots to be daft

Everyone in Nigeria knows oba is a Yoruba word

So tell me the Benin/Edo meaning of oba

Its just a simple request, so don't be senseless ok

Nanaborga:
This your analysis is nonsense, the oni of ife is an humble man , he attended the olu of Warri coronation, does that make him lesser than the olu ?

Nisiw366:
What's the meaning of oba in Benin or Edo langauge

Oba means king in Yoruba and Benin adopted it because oba of Benin is a yoruba man

Nisiw366:
What's the meaning of oba in Benin or Edo langauge

Nisiw366:
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Benidiot in pains

Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man from Ife

Kill yourself

trutharena:
What should I do with this nonsense?

Nisiw366:
I just told you fact. Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man.

Oranmiyan even named Benin ile ibinu which was corrupted to Benin

trutharena:
Oni of Ife is the highest royal stool in Southern Nigeria.

Check anytime all the kings converge for a meeting in Abuja and see the positioning of their seats.