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Aderewah:
Only for edo. Ooni and Alaafin tops benin king

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Go sit down

Ooni stool that was invented in 1897 that you want to use to compare the oba of benin are you high


The screenshot is a French documentation of 1823 in benin that was translated by me using goggle lens

Nisiw365:
Benin royals are yoruba

Says who

Remove the makeup, oldness don they show,

I saw beyond those makeups a wrinkled face, unlike 10yrs ago when her looks out matching her age ....


Oldage has finally caught up with her, she can't go back to knife anymore....

But guess she is still way good looking than her age tho

ITbomb:
At least, the white here had the decency of giving him clean clothes before being hanged.

Black man will bloodied the thief before setting him on fire for theft

I swear probably commited an offense the op just dey channel am go racism


Fellow black with offense or no offense dem go lynch am with even hunger

Pegi23:
Men are evil and not to be trusted.....their prick no go hear word. To avoid raping that innocent lady..the answer is hell no..it is not possible.

D ladies who wants to rape us too nkor.....


What of d ladies who pick offense for we not attempting to touch them

zexy2030:
Stop making mouth. You are very weak. When you sleep in the same room with someone that is sexually attractive...your hormones will definitely make you loose ur sense.

You are definitely staying with a guy you are not sexually attracted to.

Na you go flash am sef...no matter how u strong reach...women are weak and vulnerable when they:

1. Depressed
2.Abused drugs n alcohol
3.over excited.

These periods their hormones always desire to share those moments with someone especially the opposite sex.

But note: if the guy she is attracted to rejects her, she could be suicidal or be too aggressive to live with.

If she is attracted to me forget and we dey dsame room we go knack,

Forget talk to be on safer side attempt touching her when she resist and starts pointing finger after a while for u not attempting you can then tell her, u tried but she declined

Ladies are more weaker than guys when they are cornered with no choice in a room


Just touch from the guy at any time they are already wet

Ladies are only bold when they are not conered....

Mary the lady living opposite my room wants me to Bleep her and i dont find her attractive, tho, so she starts calling me a pastor me wen dey bobo. All because i refuse to ban her......

But if she corner me with d pussy i go knack am... But she want date na wetin i nor want...

Etinosa1234:
What is this one saying...

Anti BMC that acts like BMC himself... U can't find up to 5 mosques in the whole of Benin and U call Edos a majority Muslim state...

Nor be edo u stay Bros... Na Kano u stay...nor dey disguise

Omo wako full nairaland

omodave:
It has been called off.
Things like this can't work in Edo.

Thats is a good one there

Bbb

defuhrer:
Humans as are funny. Goat no dey Bleep him own mama? Ehh,I know, it's bad, but all this one is uncalled for nah. Imagine what it means being naked in the public among familiar faces and being photograhed. Humans are funny.

You need slap Try sleep with yoyr sister make you tell us this kind thing

Human is funny kill you there

yemmywesey:
Bini caliphate loading.

Lol... Looks funny until it turns bloody

UGBE634:
Young man you would be mad if you think Edo north is entirely muslim. The towns with the most Muslim populations in Edo north are Auchi and Agbede. And even at that at most Edo north would be 30% Moslems as against the general view of 'entire Edo north'.
As a senatorial district Edo north itself will be 26 percent of Edo state population. I wonder where you came up with 40% of Edo state are moslems

26per too big na, compare to the converting rate to Christianity in auchi 10%

Juliusmalema:
There is nothing wrong in having sultan in edo state

Bleep off

Juliusmalema:
Obaseki this is bad

Youre mad fulani goaaat... I always knew you were fulani and not igbo

OVB123:
My friend edo state is 80% christian. No doubt about it.

90 percent Christian the auchi Muslims are converting rapidly, pride is what is holding the others

AntiBeEmCe:
So you are disputing the fact that Edo is not crawling with fulanis? So who will the proposed sultan be lording over, himself?

I have spent years in Edo. I moved around a lot due to the nature of my job and I've seen what is going on.

*PS; illiteracy is far better than ignorance– which is clearly, your biggest problem. I said what I said.. if you don't like it, kill ya self.
Dvnce.

They be lording the hausa and fulani immigrant

Why would s royal edo chief abhor such ceremony without informing the palace, the love of money is something else


He will now loose is royal title and loose is very honour.....


If the oba could resist the useless militant of ijaw coronation, then this one should be more frowned out

TAO12:
You mean your LIES are supposed to appease MY soul to sleep?? You failed child!

You mean your oba & his band of beggars are bribing warriors?? I thought as much. Oh is that why he and his bribing warriors begged Ogedengbe away?

Hmm you really have nothing new


First of all the quote by ogendegbe who couldn't write or spell in English already fish the concatenated history as scam...

Who recorded ogendegbe actually words in the quote....

Lets asumme he told the story to his kinsmen which is unlikely too


Then again... The word Benin in the quote is another point to note out, the edo people didn't even refer to themselves as benins prior to ogendegbe raids in the kingdom, in the late 1800, rather the name wss known by the various Europeans who refered to the edo people as benin only, this was as a result of the description the itsekiri gave the Portuguese describing the edo people in their behavior of hostility and hence they picked the name Benin from Ile binu, to refer to the edo people who were never aware of such word been used by the European and Portuguese to describe them and not until the collapse of the empire and the beginning of the britsh administration that the britsh began using the name benin to refer to the edo people that they became aware of such name, due to the rising literacy that followed the Era....

The edo people always refers to themselves as edo and her surroundingneighbour's refers to them as a corrupt version of such name or ika by others


So how did ogendegbe known edo was called Benin

Ogendegbe literally wondered into edo state unknowingly and started raiding not until he was warned by an esan General that he knew he was in a wrong territory

But he wasn't killed probably escaped he didnt stay to fight the esan warriors , he also proved too stubborn to the britsh and was imprisoned like a slave and he ended up committing suicide...

chatinent:
Summary In King James Version:


An accident art yonder, cometh from unawareness and devoured me, not completely, but thine Grace. I, stoodth and approached the motor car and resold it, but mine angel, my better half refusedth to oblige to accept to give out, to borrow me some petty wages. O, death, why! On her birthday, I refusedth to be an attendant and I seek, of thou, what art you advise to giveth me?

By the way, tooking baa? Cow will jam you.

U didn't even overreact bro!

Call her tell her say ogun kee her papa!!!

Call her say chioma na ogun go kee your mama!!
Even at that you're not still overreacting with this petty curse

Na when ogun truly kee her papa and mana then that will be overreacting

TAO12:
CRAP!

Ogedengbe ravaged Owan and Etsako. He was moving down south closer and closer to the palace when your oba literally BEGGED & APPEASED and made peace with him so he can leave his kingdom alone.

Another debunked CRAPpy! falsehood

https://www.nairaland.com/6482972/name-lagos-called-ekonunuame-benins/5#104295576

Insult and Lies will not save you from me, because it has never saved you.

BeNiN iS a SuPeR pOwEr! LMAO! No wonder Benin suffered so much at the hands of its more powerful neighbours such as Nupe, Ilorin, and Ibadan.

Lies to appease your soul... Go in if it lets you sleep... Haha..

I never see bribing warriors.. Lol

Cholls:
My brother you guys should settle out of court

U dey mad

TAO12:
Your lies repeated many times is still lies.

The only people who are killed to bury your oba are his Edo wives and his Edo slaves-subjects.

You are a slave of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin. Aren’t you? His children also go about killing any Edo they come across in the streets. [Ask me for references].

Ogedengbe was appeased with many gifts and more slaves than he planned to capture.

He was literally begged by your Oba so he can leave and not approach towards the palace.

Lol, are you saying that lies to appease me or yourself


Why would ogendebge not just conquer the whole edo north and have the full edo north population as slaves and have numerous gift from the land

Definitely the whole edo north will be more than the slaves the oba would have offered...


Please stop making me laugh... I never heard in history were a warrior was bribed into summision

Cookup another lies this time use a woman as source the ogendebge distraction from benin



And again samuel johson a Yoruba historian in 1897 made it know that the name ijebu was from the benins who took the jebus as sacrafical slaves and when the benins dumbed them in the river for sacrificial puropse the water makes the 'tubu' sound and hence the name ijebu was coined


Tao11 the Yoruba obsessed transgendered, you obsession is coming from the fact we benins ruled over the aworis the tribe you claim you came from and we bins take pride over it on net and you disliked us for it, so you channel your hate to destroy the benins history but only ended up disgracing your people the more from the wrought of my hands

Benin was a world power in Nigeria as a whole up to the north.. You better swallow this and know peace bro

TAO12:
Eeerrm, sorry!

The article didn’t talk about Edo fringes. It talks about Benin kingdom. Ogedengbe ransacked Owan and Etsako.

And the Oba of Benin had to appease him out of town with rich gifts, slaves, etc.

Peace!

Owan and estako they are both in edo North..

You mean the oba appeased lol sre you telling such lies to appease your obsessed ego

Lol, he appeased him with slaves who does that when he initially came to raid for slaves.
...

When he could conquer the whole edo north and get what he needed in folds......

Lol, you're clown

Ogendegbe fled like a goat when he heard the oba of benin wanted his head, he didn't even penetrate into edo central(esan)

The Yorubas should have also bribed Benin too when the Benins took them for slaves and cut the heads of the Yoruba slaves to bury the oba of benin

TAO12:
Your first screenshot shows the opinion of a Bini man as related to a foreigner. And that is supposed to be a historical fact?? LMAO!

Your second screenshot which claims that Oyo lost a section of Eastern Yoruba frontier to Benin is actually a claim which goes back to a Benin source.

Check the footnote 70 and thank me later. Prof. R. C.C. Law knew exactly what he was doing.

It is all one-sided, self-serving claims of greatness by Binis themselves.

Know truth as shown in my attachment below.

The ibadans and nupe raided edo fringes around edo north which was far from Benin they raided it for slaves, soon as words got to the oba of Benin that edo north was been raided he dispatched a general at esan to drive off the raiders and they fled back to ibadan.
Ogedengbe the leader of the ibadan raiders after fleeing edo north continued is raiding in yoruba towns until he was capture by the britsh and imprisoned like a criminal that he was and later hung for his atrocities

TAO12:
Tell a new lie, and get a new refutation. LMAO!

By the way, why did you steal my screenshot ?? ?? You mean say the thing pain you reach bone ??

I am a real disgrace to gregboy myself , family and friends.

A yoruba-child is born = A loser in life is born.

Thought as much

Hmm

TAO12:
(1) History works are usually much longer.

(2) They are strictly for those who are capable of using their brain.

(3) Come back here whenever the ban on your brain has been lifted by your oba.

(4) Your oba is a Yoruba man, and he is subservient to the great overlord at Ife.

(5) Get mad if you can.

Patch patch historian history is not patch patch or jabber jabber, history flows


Lol, i have debunked everything you put up there before even the artifact am not going to be doimg it again


Not when you dont bring something new

Tao11 bring something new to the table

Stop cutting corners. Lol

Think4Myself:
See epistle full of lies
Get a life

As usual na patch patch

TAO12:
You [s]Benins are actually too foolish to be ignored. Ignoring you means, to you, that you’ve stated facts. Jokers.

Crowther is not a historian, he is a linguist. He didn’t write a Yoruba history book. His books are generally grammar books, dictionary, etc. being a linguist.

Although he sometimes set aside introductory notes to Yoruba creation stories as well as Oyo kingship (being from Osoogun), and this introductory notes usually takes roughly 3% of the entire pages.

A sane mind wonders then how the next thing on his mind to write about (in a books of language) would be Ife-Benin connection. You’re hoplessly delusional.

Moreover, Mr. Cyril Punch who toured Yoruba cities and was also in Benin wrote in his 1889 Journal that:

“As a town, Benin was inconsiderable compared with places like Ibadan, Iseyhin, Shaki, Modakeke, and Abeokuta. There was no wealth, nor was there even power, except the power of the influence of fetish, and the sense of the spirit of a long past of atrocities, which, if not supernatural, were at any rate unnatural to a degree which is indescribable. I remember the return of two of Miller Brothers' men from a visit they paid to Benin after I had been there. They arrived at Guatun one evening, and showed plainly in their faces the mental strain that their visit had been to them.”

As for the Ife ‘bronze’ sculptures, the quotation here (is from an academic, expert, and professional Art Historian) shows IFE on the same pedestal as Greek, Rome, and Egypt.

“[The Ife sculptures] would stand comparison with anything which Ancient Egypt, Classical Greece and Rome, or Renaissance Europe had to offer”.

~ Frank Willett, “Ife and Its Archaeology,” The Journal of African History, Vol. 1, No. 2 (1960), p. 239.

No such comparison with the great arts of the world is recorded for Benin. Show me one

——————
Regarding the father-Ife/son-Benin classic connection, refer again to the following comments for a harsh reminder (and some trauma) which you were earlier on being endowed with:

This is not true.

Eyewitness testimony/writings from the late-1400s & early-1500s which references the monarch of the Ife kingdom & his suzerainty over Benin kingdom exist.

NB: Yes, there used to be a debate in academia in the 1970s/1980s (between the mainstream scholars on one hand; and one, two, or three others on another hand) over the identity of this suzerain.

This debate was particularly on the usage of the word “east” in those early writings.

In present time, however, there is no single academic historian who holds the notion that this suzerain (of the early writings) is other than the Ooni of Ife [i.e. Ọ̀ɣọ̀ni Ufẹ̀ in the Ife dialect of the Yoruba language].

The symbol ⟨ɣ⟩ being the voiced velar fricative with its consonant sound as in this audio sample.

This conclusion is reinforced by the fact that no king, throughout the Guinea Forest of West Africa matches the specific sacral details given in those early writings, except the Ooni of Ife.

In addition to this significant fact, the debate over the word “east” was subsequently quelled by the fact that from Atakpame (in present-day Togo) to the kingdom of Benin (in present-day Nigeria), from Èkó (next to the Atlantic Ocean) to Ọ̀yọ́-Ilé (not far from the Niger River) Ife is known by the interesting epithet: Ibi ojúmọ́ ti ń mọ́ wá — i.e. “the place from where the sun rises”.

For some written references to the widespread usage of this epithet (in reference to Ife) among the natives of this region of West Africa, please refer to:

(A) Rev. D. Hinderer, “Diary Impression,” June 4, 1851, Ibadan, C.M.S.

(B) R. Horton (1979), p. 89., citing B. Maupoil (1943), A. Akinjogbin (1967:41-43), R. Smith (1969:31), as well as A. Obayemi (1976:206).

This reverential (rather than literal) epithet of Ife informed the literalist Europeans’ writings whose source(s) are Benin spokespersons of their king.

Hence the appearance of the word “east” in the early European writings in reference to the kingdom of the Ọ̀ɣọ̀ni (who is transliterated in the early writings as “Hooguanee”, “Ogané”, etc.).

Side Note: Binis, till today, still sometimes refer to the Ooni as Oghene. Refer to the entry “ɔɣɛnɛ” (i.e. “ọghẹnẹ”) in Hans Melzian’s “A Concise Dictionary of the Bini Language of Southern Nigeria” where its second definition is given as: “Bini name for the ↄni at Ile Ife”

Moreover, another piece of historical evidence which quelled the academic debate on the word “east” (as is seen in the early writings in reference to this overlord) are early maps.

There are maps (e.g. from the early 1500s) which show the phrase Dominion of the Orguene annotated across the western half of today’s Nigeria.

These historical information leaves anyone (not only the historians) with the only logical conclusion that the appearance of the word “east” in those early writings is of course not literal.

In conclusion, contrary to your ignorant assumption, there are writings from the early 1500s (on the basis of interviews of Bini representatives in the late 1400s) which references the king of Ife & his overlordship on Benin kingdom and other places.

Apart from early writings, there are other types of historical evidence which also establish clearly that there exist a classic (i.e. pre-1800) father & son relationship between Ife & Benin respectively.

These other type of historical evidence which I come to here are classical artifacts from the hard science of archaeology. One crucial examples in this regard is discussed below.

The artifact shown in this link is the image of an Ooni of Ife. ~ S. P. Blier, “Art in Ancient Ife,” 2012, Figure 17.

The Ife naturalism of this artifact, its facial striations, as well as its classical Ife ceremonial costume and the pair of chest ornament help art historians (as well as Benin chroniclers alike) with identifying this image as an Ooni of Ife.

What is very, very crucial here is that this artifact was found in the archaeological deposits of Benin. To be more precise, it was excavated from the royal palace of Benin kingdom.

Furthermore, the production date of this artifact has now been established by science. This artifact is dated, by thermoluminescence technique, to the year 1420 [± 60 years].

~ Calvocoressi & David, “A New Survey of Radiocarbon and Thermoluminescence Dates for West Africa,” 1979, p. 19.

For more pictorial angles (and details) regarding this particular artifact, please refer to:

(A) W. Fagg, “A Bronze Figure in Ife Style at Benin,” British Museum, June 1950, Plate Fa, Fb, Fc

(B) F. Willett, “Ife in the History of West African Sculpture,” McGraw-Hill, 1967, Figure 89.

(C) C. Adepegba, “The Descent from Oduduwa,” 1986, Plate 4.

In other words, a more-than 500-year-old ‘bronze’ cast of an Ooni Ife was discovered in the (archaeological deposits of the) palace of Benin kingdom.

In conclusion, it thus becomes clear that there exists a classical (i.e. pre-1800) father & son relationship between Ife & Benin respectively.

Again, this conclusion which I have inevitably reached is not mine. This is simply the conclusion of historical scholarship. This can be seen in the following works:

A. Akinjogbin (1967), F. Willett (1973), R. C. C. Law (1973), R. Horton (1979), A. Obayemi (1980), R. Smith (1988), B. Adediran (1991), D. Bondarenko (2003), S. A. Akintoye (2010), A. Ogundiran (2020), et al.

A beautiful summary of this conclusion of scholars of
African history (some of whose names and works are listed above) is shown in the page below from Adam Knobler (2016), p.47.

Peace!

PS: (1) Omonoba (king’s child) Akenzua II visited Ooni of Ife at Ife.

Not because the Ooni was having a party, but because Akenzua himself just became Benin king.

(2) Omonoba (king’s child) Erediauwa (i.e. Akenzua II’s successor) also visited Ooni of Ife at Ife.

Not because the Ooni was having a party, but because Erediauwa himself just became Benin king.

(3) Omonoba (king’s child) Ewuare II (i.e. Erediauwa’s successor) also visited Ooni of Ife at Ife.

Not because the Ooni was having a party, but because Ewuare II himself just became Benin king.
The three of them were so humble in the presence of their father & overlord.

Who born monkey[/s]?

Who they breathe... Lol


Tao11 dey breathe lies

One thing about lies you have to cover it up with more lies to make it sound like truth
So at the end of the day.. You will end up with a long epistle because of patch patch...


Every yoruba monarch called ile ife by its name and called the ooni by is title ooni
But somehow the benins called it differently
And not even similar.. But Tao11 is patching things up for me to believe by force


Tao11 i really don't have time for your rubbish

We benins ruled the entire lagos and tumbled on the entire yorubaland

And yet our wasn't yoruba... That's were the pain comes from

TAO12:
IFE is roughly about 174 miles away from Benin City.

However, the alleged distance of 900 miles is NOT mentioned anywhere in the text.

Instead, the distance between Benin City and the Ogane’s place [as given in the text] is 250 leagues.

However, this number (250 leagues) wasn’t obtained (by the Portuguese) from any Bini informant. This fact is extremely clear from the text itself.

In fact, the Binis who lived in the 1400s/1500s did not measure distance in leagues, miles, etc. As such, they couldn’t have given such information.

Instead, the Binis of the 1400s, 1500s, etc. measured distance in natural terms, e.g. on the basis of celestial bodies such as the Moon, etc.

Interestingly, the distance obtained from the Binis by the Portuguese was given in terms of the Moon. This is given in the text.

The Binis informed the Portuguese that it takes twenty (20) moons journey to go from Benin city to the Ogané’s place.

It was on the basis of this received information (i.e. 20 moons journey away) that the Portuguese imagined what the distance in “leagues” should be.

The distance in leagues was NOT received from the Binis. The text is clear on this. The W/African context is also clear on this.

Having said that, the natural question now becomes:

Is this number (20 moons journey from Benin City to the Ogane’s place) realistic for IFE if it is indeed the Ogane’s place??

In other words, could the distance from Benin City to Ile-Ife possibly have been twenty moons journey in some “traditional” terms? Let’s do the Maths on the basis of average numbers & the “traditional” context.

The data to be used for the Math is NOT on the basis of Google map’s algorithm which assumes a walking trip with zero tiredness, zero rests, zero stops, zero pauses, zero relaxations, zero camps, constant rapid pace, etc.

Instead, the data to be used is on the basis of the real life situation, average numbers, & traditional context.

Datum 1: C. G. Okojie’s “Ishan Native Laws and Customs,” p. 210. provides the first data as follows:

The walking trip from Uromi (in Ishan) to Benin City on a course of some 50 miles “traditionally” took an average of 5 months.

~ Cited in A.F.C. Ryder (1965), p.27.

Datum 2: IFE is roughly about 174 miles away from Benin City (even over the ancient Benin-Owo-Ife route).

These two data leave an answer of about 17.4 months [NOT moons] as the “traditional” walking time from Benin to Ife.

In other words, IFE is 17.4 months journey away from Benin city on the average “traditionally”.

Question: How many “moons” are 17.4 months equivalent to? To answer this, two pieces of data will be adduced.

Datum 3: It takes the Moon 27.322 days to go around the earth.

In other words, there are [exactly] about 27.322 days in one “moon”.

Datum 4: There is an average of 30.47 days in one month.

Summary:
(1) The “traditional” walking distance from Benin to Ile-Ife took an average of 17.4 months

(2) 17.4 months are equivalent to 530.178 days (i.e. 17.4 months * 30.47days per month).

(3) 530.178 days are equivalent to 19.4 moons (i.e. 530.178 days / 27.322 days per moon).

In conclusion, the facts and figures turn out to prove that the “traditional” trip from Benin city to Ile-Ife took an average of 19.4 moons.

This answer is therefore astoundingly accurate for all practical intents and purpose.

From this again, we see that Ife is indeed the place of the Ogané of the Portuguese text. The Bini informant knew exactly what he was talking about.

PS: References to this great overlord (to whom Benin obas are subservient) is documented not once, not twice, not thrice by independent Europeans; but at least five separate times spanning centuries prior to the 1800s.

Peace!

Ghostwon as disproved this before... Lol


Lets do it again in the simplest way not in any calculation up there


The benin said the location of oghnene nuhe is
East and not west


Ife lies in west.... And not east


So why all those japper japper you put up there as calculation