₦airaland Forum

banku:
Using everything you learn from Ife against Ife with your reverse mentality is not going to work, not even on those that had primary school in Nigeria before disgruntled Oba kicked against its own in 2003(?), I think.

What are the oldest artifacts from Igodo abi na Bini sef?

Ever heard of IWO ELERU, 10,000 B.C

davidnazee:
I dont know if Yoruba arts have any realism about it.. They only have few bronze heads and that is what they keep shouting as great art works..
The unique thing about Benin arts is that it is just not only art works but it also tells stories.. It is like a documentation of Benin history. The art works represents historical events and encounters in Benin History, some tell of different Obas and their achievements, while some represent religious festivals and dieties..
It is this uniqueness of the Benin arts and what they represents that has the world in awe of Benin art works.. Since we could not write on paper, we told our stories in our art works. This is one reason Benin was described has the most civilized and advanced Kingdom in West Africa.

Yoruba art works represent nothing. The only thing you will hear about it will be what type of material was used or what date it was made.. nothing else..
I don't know for certain between the two races who first started making art work, but Benin was better at it.

Obalufon:
you people are too dumb to be part of us ..we don't need you ...Benin monarch belong to us

Obalufon:
visit ile-ife benin dressing culture is from ile-ife ..

Obalufon:
That statue depict ife chief 'priest ....we have clothing culture every cult has its own dressing code

Obalufon:
You can't compare your primitive art ...with ife art. Ife art is compared with creeks and renaissance art.. Realism in art is the peak of civilization ..

banku:
Some of this people taya me I nor go lie.

You bear their names, worship their gods, gave you Ogiso and requested Oba.

Even your own Oba told foreigners he had Oghene nue. Documents older than the vexed Oba that felt he was slighted, started a book contradicting a Bini son respected as the foremost authority worldwide.

Haba, you guys are not tired of revisions and improvisation to fabricate false imagined history to boast your ego.

Just to contradict what most children learned since primary school. People like me ignored your cravings but that is the reason you guys have not disappeared.

The most embarrassed are the prince and princess still bearing Yoruba names and maintain linqua franca passed to them by Yoruba fathers.

Christistruth00:
Ebohon and his party were sent to plead with Ogedengbe . The Esans were the traditional Warriors of the Oba of Benin. Learn your History.
The reason Ogedengbe wanted to punish Oba of Benin was because he was supporting the Ibadan Army while Ogedengbe and the Ekitiparapo were at war with Ibadan.

Around 1878 Ogedengbes Army after overrunning and taking many Edo towns encircled Benin and besieged it and would have overun and taken the City but for the desperate attempts of the Oba of Benin and his Chiefs in pacifying Him.

Many Edo’s still bear the Ijesa Yoruba surname of Ogedengbe today.

Christistruth00:
With humility,

Ogedengbe was not defeated not even by the Ibadan Army that defeated the Fulanis the Oba of Benin and his Chiefs pleaded desperately with him to show mercy and not destroy Benin he had already taken many Edo towns and had encircled and besieged Benin . Ebohon was probably the leader of the begging party Oba of Benin sent to deliver presents and plead with Ogedengbe ,but was later killed to save face, that is why there was no confrontation with Ogedengbe at Orhua. By the way Orhua was solid Benin territory why was Ogedengbes Army not confronted there? Or was the Benin Army too scared to fight? Think ,do people bear the name of a general they defeated for over 100 years ?

Christistruth00:
Ogedengbe the generalissimo of Ilesa and Ekiti parapo forces invaded Edo territory around 1878 capturing towns and was about to overrun and take Benin city if not for the desperate attempts of the Oba of Benin and his Chiefs in pacifying him.

Many Edo’s still bear the Ijesa Yoruba surname of Ogedengbe today.





From an Edo website

Moneywomen17:
e pain am well I have posted numerous historical prove written in the time period but u always claim everybody whether it be the British or Portuguese or whoever u always claim they were against ur village king now the prove I have posted is very much seen on the internet and anybody looking to learn can cite it cuz it’s a concrete source that will be accepted in any academically institute except to maybe edo boys meanwhile ife art is also appreciated all over the world too. U are the one who claim Benin birthed the whole Yoruba race not me.

Moneywomen17:
trash trash trash e pain u well ur lies have been busted by urs truly repeatedly here and u are still grasping at straw I see and how is Benin more “logical” than oke-ora liargreg here is the account of the British governor again try not to cry too much ok

Moneywomen17:
trash trash trash the whole world belongs to edo but still no sane person recognized except edo dumbass like u. Every piece of history written whether by British, Portuguese even edo son eghareveba was against the edo people but u talk trash here and say u are discussing in “logic” lol. So what u are gonna use as prove are arts in the British museum that goodness knows when it will return and what the Bleep do u keep posting this is what is called actual proof below the land mass of the place determined, the demographics, the population and the ruler was identified all Yoruba in the time period and still so till today but ur dumbass will come and say na edo owns Lagos cuz apparently every history ever written is against edo cuz all of them has a feud with ur village king so u come here and tell us story story instead on nairaland that doesn’t reflect reality on ground. Well u can have it but any historian or anybody that wants to learn actual history will read history book like the one below not some edo pseudo historian called Greg lol

Moneywomen17:
trash trash trash I can not go back to replying to trash. Show me just one documented history that was documented by the Benin like u claim meanwhile here is one documented history from actual history book below ur made up lies can’t change this u are actually only grasping at straws and it’s quite embarrassing really lol.

Moneywomen17:
shut up dumbass is Wikipedia a verifiable source u do know anybody can write and edit on Wikipedia right so shut the Bleep up. Every thing documented about Benin was it not by the Europeans especially the Portuguese and tell me were they not told by the lander. Once more the British stayed in Lagos for 98 years they spoke to the landers make their own observations and wrote it down simple and this is what they came up with below with a historical document written in the time period. The colony of Lagos was Yoruba land and it does not belong to Benin like u guys and ur brother in crime ibo have been claiming on Nairaland. Now unless u find any historical document written by the British that is contrary to the document below u are grasping at straw in this “argument” and stop saying the British had any personal vendetta against ur village king they fought ur village and conquer it like the conquer many places in Nigeria and Africa and simply documented it there is no bias like u liars claim.

Christistruth00:
And from Benin Historian Jacob Egharevba

Christistruth00:
From the Yorubas Obas conference 1937 proceedings
Hosted by Sir Bernard Boudillon Governor General of Nigeria
on 31st March and 1st April 1937



Quoting last paragraph of first page:

“The Chiefs were seated in a horse-shoe formation, with the Oni of Ife ,as the head of the town from which all Yorubas have traditionally sprung , at the centre ,and the Alaafin of Oyo at the western and the Oba of benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction.”


I see no oba of benin in that pics all i see is a sketch of how d kings are supoosed to sit which was probably done by the yorubas or the britsg ignorance...the British knew very well edo birthed yoruba nations but payed blind eyes to it to punish benins further more for the killings of the British peopke even after the expendition war

Christistruth00:
From the Yorubas Obas conference 1937 proceedings
Hosted by Sir Bernard Boudillon Governor General of Nigeria
on 31st March and 1st April 1937



Quoting last paragraph of first page:

“The Chiefs were seated in a horse-shoe formation, with the Oni of Ife ,as the head of the town from which all Yorubas have traditionally sprung , at the centre ,and the Alaafin of Oyo at the western and the Oba of benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction.”

Moneywomen17:
first of all u were the one who claimed edo wasn’t notice cuz they were yorubanized and now u are claiming they were noticed that even the king told them he was from Benin I have always maintained Lagos was Yoruba land and it was recorded by British as so and it was not Benin land like ur brother claimed. Like I said greg u are extremely dumb and that’s the reason u can’t keep a straight line of thought u say one thing and in the next u contradict it once more. Now regarding u lies that the British couldn’t pronounce eleko of eko cuz it was too difficult can u provide any proof whatsoever regarding the statement I mean if eleko of eko is too hard I reckon the British might as well called him king of Lagos instead of oba of Lagos but if u provide a reliable source I will believe it and if the king already told them he is from Benin and Benin owns the land cuz they were the ruler same way the minority Fulani were the conqueror of the larger Hausa land why wasn’t it noted down by the English as Benin land instead of Yoruba land since they are now aware of the demographics according to u. U see u don’t think deep on one hand U already claim the edo were assimilated into the larger Yoruba and the British couldn’t distinguish them apart now once more u are claiming they were aware since the king told them he is a Benin man I reckon he would have told the British more regarding the demographics further and who owns what. Now second the oba of Lagos especially the one the British met with and sign treaty up till today are all descendants of ologun kuture and ologun kuture genealogy is only edo maternally from is mom erelu kuti his father is alagba from ijesha and in Africa u are ur father son and ever since ologun kuture became the fourth king only his descendants have ever been king in Lagos fact. Also can u tell me the name of the king brother that took refuge in Benin with a source to back up ur claim. Am aware of Kosoko that took refuge in epe with the help of the awujale of ijebu who is this king brother u mentioned. Ps u can screamed tribalist all u want doesn’t move me one bit and stop saying u want to skul me cuz u can’t give what U don’t have u need school urself a lot of it

Moneywomen17:
see a dumbass like u. U want to see the dead head of an oba buried like long time ago in ife. Well if u will like to see such I will advise u to travel to ife and ask the king and the priest their in ife to take u to the place where the head are buried and tell them to dig it up so that u can take some pictures. U are a big dumbass that act like this is not Africa. If u can not go to ife go to the place of ur king and interview and ask him wat he saw in the orun oba ado when he came to ife to visit and why u are in ur king palace tell him to also show u the king that wasn’t buried in ife instead when it was stopped am sure u will have lot of pictures to share with us.

Moneywomen17:
am not “beyond repair” but u are very dumb. U made an instance regarding language and how cuz yoruba was spoken in Lagos they assume everybody was now I corrected such with the sokoto caliphate with the same scenario now u deflect to look shouldn’t the British just assume cuz they all spoke Hausa practice Islam and Hausa culture they are all Hausa just like they did Yoruba in Lagos according to u and what does Hausa being more than Fulani has to do with the logic of the topic, u said that in Lagos the Benin conquer the larger awori and assimilate into their culture and that’s exactly what Fulani did they were small minority with help of some Hausa soldier displace the larger Hausa leader and became the emir so the Fulani were the ruling class and Hausa the masses and they all spoke Hausa and Hausa culture practiced but still the Fulani made themselves known who they are when British came. The Britishh didn’t just come to Lagos spent some few months and went back to England they spent close to a century(98 years) here if there was any difference regarding the demographics of Lagos it would have been writing down by the English or why the Bleep did the edo in Lagos not make their presence apparent to the English just like the Fulani did if they were indeed the owner and ruler of the land that’s logic like U wanted. So awori oral history saying they invited and made a Benin man their king is folklore but Benin oral history that’s says the conquer awori without any proof too is the absolute fact that’s ur logic greg. Now u said Benin wrote in art I will take that can u present an art that shows that Benin conquer Lagos cuz awori themselves have their own “art” in Lagos. How is this “Benin word eko” means they conquer the place and are u saying it was oba Benin himself that lead the war into Lagos I mean how do u not know the warrior that lead a war to the place u claimed u conquer. Now that am done replying what u wrote up there I have one question for u in Lagos island between oba akiolu and the idejo white cap chief who owns the land in Lagos island among the two

Sinistami:
Aboy Edo pidgin is Baffi that's what I meant. Baffi is the name of dialect of pidgin spoken in Benin Edo. Warri's own is called Waffi Sapele's own is called Saffy. Yenagoa's own is called Yeniz.
I don't still understand why you listed America there


Aboy Edo pidgin is Baffi that's what I meant. Baffi is the name of dialect of pidgin spoken in Benin Edo. Warri's own is called Waffi Sapele's own is called Saffy. Yenagoa's own is called Yeniz.
I don't still understand why you listed America there

Moneywomen17:
shut up there ur logic will stand if ur Benin village didn’t come all the way from ur side to request for prince in ife to be ur king the story I told u right there can be googled that’s was the oral story told by the awori not me. U said eko has no means of writing tell me does Benin also have any means of writing to be an authority. Benin tells an oral story of subjugation awori says otherwise. U speak of language when the British got to to the sokoto caliphate they knew there were two set of people there the ruling class which were Fulani and the masses which were Hausa. Both the rulers and Hausa all spoke Hausa in that instance why didn’t the British called of them Hausa cuz the Fulani has been “Hausanized” the British didn’t just come and jot some things down and left like that Lagos was their colony for close to 100 years which they had a British governor who worked hand in hand with the ruling class and a lot of British citizen also lives in the same Lagos with first hand experience of what they were talking about. And u expect me to believe Benin oral story better than a good authority of the land who ruled and wrote than everything at the same time period regarding the land. Akiolu is from a Benin royal lineage only maternally his paternal is ologun kuture whose father is alagba from ijesha a Yoruba. Now u ask me is there any prove awori invited a Benin prince to rule them yes cuz there is Benin blood in the Lagos throne now tell me is there any prove that Benin fought the awori and subjugated them, tell me the name of the war and the general that fought on both side since u want to argue with logic. What means of documentation did u mean Benin have I want to know.

davidnazee:
Thank you bro for a very enlightening piece.
I have asked them same question before when they said Aworis invited Benin. Why would the Aworis bypass all the Yorubas kingdoms and come to Benin?
Even if it is true that Aworis came to Benin for help then doesn’t that proves Benin was a mightier, more powerful kingdom than all the Yorubas kingdoms and the Aworis must have seen Benin conquer and ruling over Yoruba lands hence it came to Benin for help.

The problem with the Yorubas is that no matter how much they lie and twist the truth their stories will always work against them and show that Benin was more powerful than Yoruba and ruled over the Yorubas.