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Sinistami:
Yes I noticed this from a Benin friend although he's parents are from Warri. he was born and raised in Benin. when he came to Yenagoa I noticed him getting lost in our pidgin slangs so I told him "you de looseguard how u no go know wetin Ofurukpe be? you weh na Pure Benin man no bi dia bi center for pidgin?" and then he said Benin all this slangs no de we na pure pidgin we de speak. and I was wondering how is it pure pidgin. lol at dat Slang Skul me in Yenagoa we say Learn me lol although it's sort of a blunder we still say it. but I think if pidgin is standardized Baffi would be the standard one. but sometimes slangwords do turn standard too. To me the places were pidgin is spoken as a first Language speaks it correctly that is the Core Nigerdelta which is Delta Bayelsa and Rivers and although they have much slangs Edo is just right in the middle in the perfect balance of not having much Tribal junk and not having much slang junk either.

babydioku:
give it back for what? thats a war bounty. let them keep it

Moneywomen17:
trash trash trash. Awori never denied they invited a Benin prince to be their king. That’s what their oral history says not that Benin came and conquer their land and that’s why oba of Lagos has no land in Lagos the land are owned by the Yoruba idejo chiefs. How can u conquer a people without owning the land and with the birth of ologun kuture the Benin rule dynasty ended and Yoruba dynasty started till today every single king has been direct descendant of ologun kuture. Now I keep posting historical document regarding the ownership of Lagos and the demographics of Lagos and it doesn’t show any edo Cuz there wasn’t. The people, the culture, and language met in Lagos was Yoruba and still Yoruba and the British recorded it accordingly now ur brother osaz will like to disprove this with story from supposed certain “real lagosian” who are pseudo historians spewing jargons in this modern day and he choose ajayi bembe as his ultimate source so I posted other interview of the same “real lagosian” that contradicts ajayi. If the reason he used ajayi as reference was that he was a “real lagosian” there are plenty of other “real lagosian” that’s says something else meanwhile my ultimate source has always been this below written when the British came to Lagos and recorded the people they met on ground just like they have done in other places in Africa.

Moneywomen17:
u mean hungry lagosian account, just like I posted for ur brother osaz here is indigene of the same “real lagosians” saying that awori owns the land and Benin are migrant. Here is it below so controversial oral stories with no fact to back it up cuz most of them were not alive or if they were which I doubt they were will be very young in the time period but below is the British acccount who were there documented the real account first hand what they saw and experience and wrote it down and it all points to yoruba so I will agree with British account better cuz they have no reason to lie unlike edo boys and history distorted of today.

Moneywomen17:
trash trash trash didn’t bother to read it na waste of my time

Moneywomen17:
u mean the edo story is “logical” a story that gave him 3 different name which is izoduwa, imaoduwa, and elkhadaren which is all made up. Or second that a prince was suppose to be killed in Benin cuz of his father order the death of his only son so that he can have more son. Where is the logic in that. But ife history that says he is from east of ife which is oke-ora a place not far from ife and that means he already speak the language understand the tradition compare to a nobody from a place far from ife who doesn’t speak their language and so many other things. Nothing in oduduwa or ooni coronation shows any connection with Benin simple as that. It is the dumbest thing to say edo begotten oduduwa cuz until ur last king wrote his book about it no one ☝️ mean no one knows any story connecting oduduwa to Benin origins. And Greg there will always be two story surrounding oduduwa the real one and the mythical one cuz he was deify after his death. Who told u Christmas is not celebrated in Israel u do know there are still Christians in Israel right.

Misled by whom or what?

Asides from written documents, scholars have been able to argue that evidences of primordial history abound in poetry/chants, festivals & other social ceremonies.

Ife (not the entire Yoruba) is resolute about the origin of their son, Oduduwa. Several evidences abound in the materials he left behind to his relatives in Ife - yep. Evidences abound in Ooni’s coronation. Evidence abound in Oduduwa & Obatala’s festivals. Evidences abound in the way Ife socio-political life is structured.

The problem is that every group wants to sell an Oduduwa narrative to suit an agenda.

For example:

1. Muslims hijacked Sultan Bello’s Mecca reference to Oyo & claimed Oduduwa came from mecca when in actual fact, Sultan Bello was specifically referring to Oyo in Clapperton’s journal. Why the muslims hijacked it is unclear but it may have been to help them market the Islam religion to other Yoruba people.

2. Oyo claiming Ooni was a slave in order to advance its own empire position which it lost to Ibadan after Oyo-Ile collapsed. The Alaafin is trying very hard to re-invent the empire & also hijack the Yoruba nomenclature in its present day meaning. Going by evidences, if anyone was a slave then it would be the Alaafin because the tribal marks he wears long ago indicate palace slaves in excavated artworks found in Bini & Ife. In addition to this, Oyo has no crown like other Yoruba towns & Bini. Like Oranmiyan founded Bini & Oyo dynasy, he also returned to Ife to seize the throne from the Ugbos again & founded the present dynasty. Ooni has nothing to do with any deity, deity worship in Ife is a family thing.

3. Bini’s Ekalederan story can be traced to the Western region problem when a politician made a statement at a house parliament saying ‘We have the Ooni if Ife & the Alaafin of Oyo here, the western region is complete’ meanwhile, way before Nigeria, sittng arrangement for kings was Ooni in the center, Alaafin yo the right & Bini to the left. The Oba Bini was infuriated by this and a seccession for mid-western region began. To achieve that political independence, a philosophy that appealed to nationalistic & patriotic emotions was needed ——> enter Ekalederan story here. On fact, it was further designed at that point to include the traditional history of Delta areas which made the Oba their ralkying point. It was not after the creation of the then Ben(in)Del(ta) - Bendel state that the people of Delta caught the drift and wanted out.

4. Olugbo rode the coat tails of Oyo & Bini. This trio were hell bent on using each other’s narratives to reinforce their respective position but while Olugbo agreed to the Ekalederan story, the Alaafin drew the line there. Olugbo forgot that his own group that left were those left in the Ugbo forest who did not know what had happened to their kin that went to Ife for usual pilgrimage. He has also forgotten that the 13 communities making up Ife were/are all Ugbo (including Osin Ora aka Oduduwa the usurper) & that his own group was just a fraction from Iwinrin section that still exists today under Obawinrin.

I am not trying to debate you or convince you to accept my version as the truth. I am just saying that evidences in the way the palaces of Ife, Bini, Oyo operate do not support the theories of Oduduwa being ekalederan or Ooni being a slave. The coronation of these three kings also do not support such claims. The festivals & the way these towns are strcutured tell a different story.

Yoruba may be misled about Oduduwa origins, Ife people are not. Outsiders may need to visit Ife more to see how things have been.

sexdoll:
your writing alone shows that our educational system is a total failure and disaster.

a student of a uniben cannot express himself very well and you want me to believe your parents are not wasting their resources in training you?

it's a shame.

prolog2:
dude, I am getting tired of your divisiveness. The ennemi is the yoruba, not fellow Edo.

Moneywomen17:
the ooni is invited all over the world cuz of his prestige and the Yoruba race influence. Who knows Benin king enough to invite him to anywhere regarding culture. Now post the video where the white women told ooni to shut up about the ife art and told him people will rather watch the Benin art instead.
Here is a white woman talking about ife glory in Houston museum apparently ife art shows a classical skill with the level of the Roman and Greek arts and the realism of the art is out of this world that they look like they can speak and communicate with u. That’s incredible here is the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnpb8Q-7_pc

davidnazee:
Did u see the picture of Ooni in Brazil? The Brazilians presented him a gift but it was a sculpture of Benin Idia mask. If u see the look on Ooni face when he saw his gift was a Benin mask. He looked embarrassed and dejected.
Yoruba have nothing!!

davidnazee:
Babaramota said Ifa can be used to conduct DNA..
moneywoman said eredo is the largest man made structure in the world.
Olu said Ijebu ode is the real Jerusalem and the real name is Jebu-Isalem

Please why do yorubas lie so much?
I think I will create a thread for all Nigerians to discuss the lying and cowardly attitude of the Yorubas.

davidnazee:
I tire for these Yoruba losers. I still can’t understand why the unnecessary lies? Only a coward lies to feel important.
There are many tribes with no great history but they don’t lie about it. But Yorubas I cannot understand. Nobody cares, history doesn’t affect our present, we only celebrate it.

Moneywomen17:
he had courtiers/followers from Ife one of such people who came from ife along with oramiyan is chief Oloton google him quickly his descendants are still in Benin. Second of all on ur “if” statements. U do know when oyo was establish it quickly got into a war with the neighboring nupe that’s to show oyo wasn’t just in the middle of nowhere. Google who sango mother was and u will find out the woman is a nupe princess. U keep saying bullshit about being lost how does a lost person becomes the first king of a place and his descendants there still rule till today if he was nobody. Check ife tradition or Yoruba monarch tradition almost every prince branch out to establish their own kingdom that’s why U see a lot of king who claim descendants from oduduwa.

davidnazee:
So oduduwa was crowned Ooni at Oke-Ora??
Gaddamit. Yoruba can lie!! U guys are a confused race.

Moneywomen17:
he had courtiers/followers from Ife one of such people who came from ife along with oramiyan is chief Oloton google him quickly his descendants are still in Benin. Second of all on ur “if” statements. U do know when oyo was establish it quickly got into a war with the neighboring nupe that’s to show oyo wasn’t just in the middle of nowhere. Google who sango mother was and u will find out the woman is a nupe princess. U keep saying bullshit about being lost how does a lost person becomes the first king of a place and his descendants there still rule till today if he was nobody. Check ife tradition or Yoruba monarch tradition almost every prince branch out to establish their own kingdom that’s why U see a lot of king who claim descendants from oduduwa.

Moneywomen17:
shut up there dumbass what do u know about ife history and like I said another trash. Oduduwa descending from the sky is well know to everybody that’s it’s a myth hell its told like this “according to yoruba mythology” now that that’s settled who told ur dumbass that oramiyan didn’t come to edo with followers from ife. Oranmiyan is the first alafin of oyo and his son ajaka and sango both rules in oyo fact the rest of what u said up there is trash. Oranmiyan is first Oba of Benin, 1st alafin of oyo and the 6th ooni. His descendants rule in 3 different places till today. Another fact

OlaoChi:
Sir please and please i beg you stop embarrasing yourself.

The Sculpture was made around 1300 AD...that is already 14th century.Year 1300 is 14th century which still coincides with the 14th century origin of Bini bronze art which was taught to Bini by Ife

Moneywomen17:
did u see the pix I posted about ooni coronation in oke-ora if u are blind see again. And what mark are u talking about is it tribal mark if not lost the mark u are talking about. I never said he had edo follower who followed him from edo. When he came to edo he had follower from ife when he left edo some follower stayed with his child and some followed him back read well. Oranmiyan is first alafin of oyo his son Sango and ajaka ruled in oyo so he was not unknown. Over to u to ask another probably dumb question. If oke-ora was a new why is it used in the king coronation with so much history behind it

Moneywomen17:
dumbass Greg let me lecture u on the trash u said before u think too much of urself. First of the most African slaves in the world are not Yoruba. Yoruba was only taken to the new world late and it happened during the fall of oyo a civil war where most who was taken were prisoner of war. Second about oduduwa he is from east of ife oke-ora a neighboring town that is still use as part of the coronation of any new ooni till today coz that’s where oduduwa first wore the crown. The only connection that Benin has with oduduwa is when they came to beg for a ruler and he sent his son oramiyan to rule u only for oranmiyan to knack a woman and leave the son to rule edo boys till today. The dumbass question I have ever seen is this how did oranmiyan found a town without taking a woman from Benin really Greg. Tell me how is a town ever found. A town is not founded by just one person.oramiyan left Benin with his followers or do u think a whole prince of ife will just dey walk alone he founded oyo and like every town a lot of people especially neighboring town will start coming to live in the town and so many of his followers in ife too and recognized the founder oramiyan as the ruler. U do know that sango the son of oranmiyan mother was a nupe princes. Nupe were the most antagonist of the relative young oyo kingdom. That’s how a town is founded and so many other ways. Oduduwa is a Yoruba the only reason u edo fraud claim him is u can’t stimach the fact that his descendants a Yoruba foreign person rule u today same reason u lie that sango is isango and Ogun is edo diety and also orunmila is orumila. U can’t stomach that ur people are worshipping the Yoruba god another sigh of subjugation religion.

Moneywomen17:
shut up there yoruba fought themselves u say that like they are the first in history to do that. Have u not heard of something called civil war many great nation has succumb to it. Oranmiyan left benin his son went to oyo became the first alafin and also left that to his and he came back to ife to be the 6th ooni whatever trash u are saying is just that trash.

steveosaz:
You are really a poor sorry as$ loser! You've been engaging in insane puerility all the while and no one paid you attention. Now you want to drag other to eat from the gutter with you even when you couldn't deny you identity which is slavery.

I say this and go and check out the records anywhere, Yoruba is the most enslaved tribe in all of Africa. Your yorubaland was a major farm where slaves were being harvested for centuries. Badagry is there to remind you.
Even the Fashola family made fortunes from the slave business where they were busy selling their own people - what callousness!

The white man couldn't use his own people as slaves, rather he chose to sail all the way to Africa and specifically yorubaland to get very bountiful harvests of slaves. That gene of slavery is still what many of you exhibit subconsciously even within the context of today's Nigeria. That's why you spare no time in bowing down to your gods up North. See how they kicked Abiola in the as$ yet they still chose to give useless posthumous award to the man, an award given by his same oppressors and yet, the gullible, slavish yorubas took the bait and are busy jubilating like drunken monkeys. That's part of the slavery we are talking about. Your people can never run away from it. It's your fvcking identity.

ariesbull:
Living in Benin not from Benin oga ...we have many Igbo living in Benin , I have lived in Benin also

Another thing


Benin don't have "kwe" in their language

Stop making Mickey � of yourself

ariesbull:
Urhobo people bear okoro also and that is a father to mind you some parts of urhobo /isoko came from Igbo land
The way Igbo , Benin and Yoruba bear Ojo as a name

ariesbull:
Osakwe means God has agreed
Osadebe means God has kept
Osaloka means God has remembered
Osaemeka means God has done so much
Osebuluwa means God who carries the world
Akaolisa or Akosa means the handwork of God
Osadinma means God is good

Now thank me for teaching you Igbo

Anythinf ose ,osa belongs to the edo igbos bearing it is a result edo influence on them ...the word for god in igbo is not osa or ose this are borrowed word from edo



These are pure Igbo names