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Obalufon:
you guys delusional ..post any of your art work that is 12century most of your artifact were made after the Portuguese contact .......you are justifying your claim with ife chief stature carved out of stone ..post one of your artifact that was carved out of stone .,..is a known fact ife bronze art predate your Benin art ...and the terracotta are even much older ...

Lol.....you talk like a child. “Post one of your artefacts that was carved out of stone”
The benin ada was made before odududwa emerged out of the womb.....

Ada and eben this was made during the ogiso era
Your kings beared edo names and you doubt you arent from edo ancestry ure a joke

davidnazee:
No bro I’m using logic in my reasoning.
Eze just like Oni means ruler. Oni is ruler for Yoruba and Eze is ruler for Igbo.
As for the name Chima, it could be his name was Ehima corrupted to Chima or he adopted an Igbo name to gain acceptance amongst the new tribe he settled with.
There’s no tribalism here since we all agree he was first Edo before migrating.

Even the igbos acknowledged he migrated to their lands from Benin. But there’s no record about his original background from the igbos because they don’t know. They only know from the time he settled in Igbo lands.
So logically he is Edo and changed his name to Chima.

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I agree this could also pass....

But u doubting my origins for my claims is a typical example of a Nigerian i hpoe not to be

Obalufon:
post the benin art that is older than ife art ..you people are delusional ...monkey kingdom...our terracotta are even way much other

Lol...i see the pains in your comment....
Show me your terraccota heads that is older and i will show you a benin bronze which dates 12c..
If you gone through my post on this forum you would see why i posted it ...you're probably blind by jelousy....

U makes sculptures of our chiefs but deniles our imperial over ife the home of yoruba civilization
Its a pity the yorubas are lost and they are no where to be found they hold to a man from a foreign land as their creator when fact proves it he was simply a migrant from benin

davidnazee:
Simple logic would be that Eze Chima was the new name adopted by Edo man that fled Benin and founded Onitsha just like Ekhaladeran name was changed to oduduwa when he settled in Ife.

Yea you right with that ...but when ekaladeran went to ife ....after he was treated like a god by ife people then he took upon himself an edo name to express it all izoduwa (walked to sucess)
But eze chima is way far from edo...
But am not saying is not edo because all reasons states he is an edo but the question how did he get the name eze chima ... My problem with you is your telling the story wrongly with trablism rather than fact and research.....

Moorish:
My people and yours had pre colonial contact and interaction which was mostly friendly

Let us build on what we have in common

I actually believe we are stronger together

I feel u...but running from our problem has not gotten us far as a country taking d easy way out gave us a mess in the country we are is high time we take the bulls by the balls....
Set history right and the mutual relationship can br perfect as you want ....if yorubas revered edo as the oduduwa bringer i think the mutual benefit from yorubas to edos will be so great no bounds can break but if is opposite

Moorish:
The ogiso dynasty were renowned as "sky kings" greg

mythologies is not the problem

the problem is you guys are fighting an irrelevant online fight which the royals of ife or benin do not pay nor commend you for

stop being a slave to your ego brother

we need to come together and solve our collective Nigerian problems

The seed of discord amongst us needs to be addressed one way or another

Nigga running from your problem is not the solution to a problem .this is were nigeria problems lies dishonesty ,tribalism ,ethnocentrism,disunity,nepotism,favouritism
A nigeria man would lie to uphold himself or favour a particular people because they are his people .....
I would advice go on research yourself and find the truth behind this myth thats what a great mind do ....your research. Would be rewarded someday if you do so.....

As for me i have done a research and i have seen edo birthed ife you should rather ask me for my prove than shut me down

prolog2:
I sometimes have reasons to doubt your origins, you seem to be siding igbo a lot even against fellow Edo. You even ventured into divisionism amongst Edo. If you are not Edo, then do the honorable thing and stop usurping our identity. You can keep commenting on the topic, just stop pretending to be one of us.

Ooh because i am not ethnocentric in my comments then am not edo ...even if i was anyother tribe i would stand for what i believe what i hate and what i like fighting for edo dignity is not going to put money in my pocket they all could still be d one to betray me one day so i fucking dont care i fight for what is right not for what seems right to edos or benins ....am a nigerian first before been an edo person if you understand that u wont come quote me like this
The igbos stories could be right logically but i still have my doubt on the stories because thier king claim direct descendants from edos with an igbo name leaves us to go for research...

Obalufon:
dumb ass that is not benin chief .... Comfirm ife priest . you were expecting to see ? ...even the art work realism and proportion out classed your primitive art Benin art lack proportion and realism ..

Lol dumb lier i wanna see a present pics of an ife priest....or i dont believe it....

And how come benin oldest art work date 12c and ifes own dates 14c


The first picture shows the statue on discussion
The scnd pics shows an ife priest wearing white clothes with dots marks on the body
The third nd forth pics shows a benin chief wearing white clothes fully beaded just like d first pics above and hands crossed

If you dont see the difference then ur use on this argument his baseless our supiority over yorubas have been way to high even to revered ife
Dumb ass lier

Obalufon:
I can debunk your claim through ile-ife art work. the oni bronze figure found buried in your oba palace out classed all your bronze art work is more realistic with intricate details than Benin art work with savage head ""the oni figure was probably worshiped by your king" .. it shows that you are still new in the bronze casting trade. ..

Lol at first yorubas said oba of benin comes to bury his head at ife for superiority purpose ever since the claim no evidence to back it up than mere words ...now benin followed thesame path of superiority after they found onni statue at oba palace with evidence on the statue now yorubas want to claim we were worshiping it is that not a cunny attitudes Yoruba's portray....
What about the benin chiefs Yoruba's made a statue of

How come benin arts are older than ife

geosegun:
Why do you guys feel so comfortable to lie and even try to change history. History has it the the Oba of Benin's head are buried in Ife until recently and not the other way round as you have stated above? The last time I checked, the grave of one of the Kings is in Ife, as evidence. Can you please tell us a place where such heads of Yoruba Obas' are buried in Benin or keep quiet forever?

It is not a crime to have a king or leader from another land. This has happened several times in human history. Even the British Royalty has German ancestry, and heaven did not fall for cry out loud. Why the fuse, if Benin royalty has Yoruba/Benin blood? Or the Ilorin Emir has Fulani and Yoruba blood?

You guys should go and face the Nigerian polity and ensure the country is great again rather than wallowing in self aggrandizement and inferiority complex. Let us make these race great again if truly our forefathers have done what you guys are claiming here. What will generations that come after say about us? Let's everyone sheath their sword and forget these arguments and move on. I am sure there are more better things to learn from both cultures.

@Moorish; thanks for your observations and assertions.

Show me obas grave have non seen non but i would show ooni statue in oba palace who came to bury is head in oba palace and benin chief in ife

Olu317:
Nooo! I disagree with you . Arts some may look alike but differs with careful analysis,they aren't . This doesn't mean hatred. Today Europeans have mutual respect for their different groups even if they were a set of different people at one time or the other . Despite conquest of some of them, history acknowledged this and each ethnicity identified with her own. Stop being seen as a peace lover, because you are never loved by them. Mutual respect is what's needed ,which is possible to achieve but on no account should anyone call Odua as Igodo's Odionwere descendant.

But he his cant u see is not a skydiver he was a migrant from the rainforset yorubas do come to bury thier oonis head in edo while they made statues of our chiefs at ife.....
We brought art to ife .....our oldest art in British musuem dates to 12c while ife dates to 14c ....

adetoroamos:
none I repeat. even the sowore guy and fela durutoye will still change when they taste power. I have a Prof for my side that am loyal to, the man even show me the senatorial slot they give him and he said he's not interested because politics is a dirty game

Why are you been dogmatic in ur thinking which field in this life that is not a dirty game even pastors play dirty....saying politics is a dirty game makes you an hypocrite or ignoramus...
People go into politics and dont play it dirty

Moorish:
Benin team

Yoruba team

Can we please come together to study our civilizations, rebuild indigenous architectural systems, clothing, art, medicine, and weaponry

Sovereign

Empire

Peace and Love

Qhen history is told on lies building becomes difficult... Yoruba's should to believe on sky diving king is dat not insanity ....before we could come together to build something has to be understand
We can never run away from this argument it very meaningful fact are coming out now rather than myth

Obalufon:
oramiyan was grandson of oduduwa

Other account say he was d first born of oduduwa

If he was d grandson how come he got to rule at ife after 4dynasty


And how come beni art is older than ife art

BabaRamota1980:
A copy of the mask was used in 77. The original is with Attah of Igala. After Igala defeated you in war they raided your palace and took the mask as spoils of war.

Here it is on Attah.....

compare with the copy made for festival in second picture..

So who is talking about root i get confused when i read yoruba history u have nothing to say but this....

It baffles me yoruba oral stories says after oromiyan established oyo he went back to ife ...when we are seen that 4 dynasty ruled before he later came back to rule how is that possible was he immortal this four rulers after him did dey just spend months in the throne that orimiyan got the chance to be king again ife.... It is also seen the second bearing an edo name even obamkin which means in edo i am a king are we to say again the word osa and oba came from ife this time?....

The second pictures contradict the first picture and the first picture was said to be giving as d list of kings of ife during present ooni coronation if ife was established by 500bc by oduduwa then how many years did he live at ife before benin came to beg him for oromiyan ...Benin has a more acurate date for this because they documented it throughout art work and oba eweka reign is said to be 1180


Benin art works dates from this picture fron 12c ,16 ,17 downwards but ife odest artworks start from 13c how come they thought benin art carbon dating reveled the years of this art works


More research to come.....

I wanna ask a question


Can africa survive without religion because religion has drunked so many people in africa....

Oyedepo is an hypocrate if you wanna help u would do better than cursing u know the perpetrators say thier names ...inlcuding ur fellow colleague osinbanjo until then all your curses remain useless...

BabaRamota1980:
A copy of the mask was used in 77. The original is with Attah of Igala. After Igala defeated you in war they raided your palace and took the mask as spoils of war.

Here it is on Attah.....

compare with the copy made for festival in second picture..

Noise maker no histoical prove to claim oduduwas origin in ife but rather assumption


This is in the British museum

davidnazee:
If he lived in Benin and rose to become a nobleman and an important person in the kingdom then he was a Benin citizen even if his background is Igbo. And when he left he probably had some followers who were originally Benin.
So it is still logically correct to say Onitsha was founded by Benin people (not Benin Kingdom)..

The reason Eze Chima left Benin was due to conflict he had with the palace. He was a very important man in the kingdom, he tried to change the politics of Benin and it resulted in conflict and fighting between him and the palace. He lost the fight and fled with his followers.. that was how he went and founded Onitsha

The onitscha edo story is very simple no need for argument egypt influenced the greeks and romans and greeks influence romans and romans influenced the world....you cant tell stories like you where actually there ..eze chima is an igbo name the more logical stories say he migrated from asaba from the royal house nd established onitscha....anyhow the igbo tells thier stories is ok ...everyone see the influence on benin on thier king thats what matter it must not be related by blood ...and thier stories say he even married a benin princess .....
But for the yorubas who completely lost on thier history who felt oduduwa is a sky migrant that u need to teach solid history

Obalufon:
laughing you guys are funny .. the earlier you embrace your root the better it is for you ..

So who is talking about root i get confused when i read yoruba history u have nothing to say but this....

It baffles me yoruba oral stories says after oromiyan established oyo he went back to ife ...when we are seen that 4 dynasty ruled before he later came back to rule how is that possible was he immortal this four rulers after him did dey just spend months in the throne that orimiyan got the chance to be king again ife.... It is also seen the second bearing an edo name even obamkin which means in edo i am a king are we to say again the word osa and oba came from ife this time?....

The second pictures contradict the first picture and the first picture was said to be giving as d list of kings of ife during present ooni coronation if ife was established by 500bc by oduduwa then how many years did he live at ife before benin came to beg him for oromiyan ...Benin has a more acurate date for this because they documented it throughout art work and oba eweka reign is said to be 1180


Benin art works dates from this picture fron 12c ,16 ,17 downwards but ife odest artworks start from 13c how come they thought benin art carbon dating reveled the years of this art works


More research to come.....

If davido is 25 how old is chioma ....

Probably early 30$

Money is meaningless to age

Ooh i see why is not a good defender but a scorrer ...coach didnt notice

OfficialAPCNig:
So you are saying Bini know our history more than us?

Anyhow u say it ....is ur history

Nigerian with religion... Are like 5&6


Seperate religion from an african man he becomes useless
Bob marley says...enslave ur self from mental slavery not but ourself can free our mind...

N.b ...i bet if i put a lighter close to bible it will burn to ashes to even crown it all the same said is not a partaker of evil so why kill people and let the bible remain

OfficialAPCNig:
Fixed.

It seems you are just part of the few sensible Bini historians.

But i dont agree on you on d aro story have read it
All but it doesnt relate it was formed and written by a man in aro who is fathers told him oral traditions of aro and later went ahead to link it eze chima..... Aro is folklore dont utter ur history because of pride

OfficialAPCNig:
You are changing the narratives now. Your brothers claimed Onicha was founded by a Bini prince.

That is my broda not me maybe he misused his words wrongly no sane person would claim that ... Eze chima was just a royal migrant from asaba who established his royal stool on onitscha pple
He mainted his fathers heritage at asaba who came from edo probably benin went even aware eze chima established a kingdom in onitscha

OfficialAPCNig:
Keep deceiving urself.

Just listen to yourself. A son from the royal family bearing Igbo name. Does that make sense to you?

Eze Chima is from Aro but resident in Benin. He migrated to Onitsha to establish Onicha.

Iweka is purely Igbo. Iwekanjo means Anger is dangerous.

Osadebe might be Bini, I don't know, but it also have meaning in Igbo.

Okoro is Igbo meaning A youthful male.

Onicha might be vassal of the ancient Bini empire but was never founded by any Bini prince.

Bini claimed they founded Ijaw, Yoruba, Igede in Benue, Anioma, Igala and almost all ethnic groups in the South.

Keep grabbing lands.

No one claimed benin established any territory we only went there to rule while the people mainted their identity ...in all the place in nigeria benin influence spread to apart from edo nd skme part of delta they all were foreigners who were ruled under benin just like d British did to Nigeria same we did to Yoruba's by sending our son there to rule them ...but they were never edos
Proves shows it that the second ooni in history after odudwa bore edo name for god and edo name for king

OfficialAPCNig:
Keep deceiving urself.

Just listen to yourself. A son from the royal family bearing Igbo name. Does that make sense to you?

Eze Chima is from Aro but resident in Benin. He migrated to Onitsha to establish Onicha.

Iweka is purely Igbo. Iwekanjo means Anger is dangerous.

Osadebe might be Bini, I don't know, but it also have meaning in Igbo.

Okoro is Igbo meaning A youthful male.

Onicha might be vassal of the ancient Bini empire but was never founded by any Bini prince.

Bini claimed they founded Ijaw, Yoruba, Igede in Benue, Anioma, Igala and almost all ethnic groups in the South.

Keep grabbing lands.

No one claimed benin established any territory we only went there to rule while the people mainted their identity ...in all the place in nigeria benin influence spread to apart from edo nd skme part of delta they all were foreigners who were ruled under benin just like d British did to Nigeria

OfficialAPCNig:
Keep deceiving urself.

Just listen to yourself. A son from the royal family bearing Igbo name. Does that make sense to you?

Eze Chima is from Aro but resident in Benin. He migrated to Onitsha to establish Onicha.

Iweka is purely Igbo. Iwekanjo means Anger is dangerous.

Osadebe might be Bini, I don't know, but it also have meaning in Igbo.

Okoro is Igbo meaning A youthful male.

Onicha might be vassal of the ancient Bini empire but was never founded by any Bini prince.

Bini claimed they founded Ijaw, Yoruba, Igede in Benue, Anioma, Igala and almost all ethnic groups in the South.

Keep grabbing lands.

No one claimed benin established any territory we only went there to rule while the people mainted their identity ...in all the place in nigeria benin influence spread to apart from edo nd skme part of delta they all were foreigners who were ruled under benin just like d British did to migeria

OfficialAPCNig:
Onitsha land never belonged to Edo at any point.

Even your wack history says that Onitsha was founded by a Benin Prince called Chima.

Does that sound Edo to you? Chi ma obi means God knows the heart.

Obi is Igbo for heart or Palace not the corruption of Oba.

So never drag Onitsha into your delusion again. You didn't claim Asaba that is closest, it is Onitsha you want to claim.

Ure ignorant on history.....

The story is simply when benin got to asaba they made it a colony after later the years a son from the Royal family bearing the igbo name in asaba went to rule onistcha the igbos maintained their true origin apart from the royal families there

Thats why u hear upper eweka rd in onticha gotten from oba eweka in benin.... Yoy also hear osadebe over in edo is osadebamwen you also here okoro which is common in benin Delta nd igbo name.....

Obalufon:
you people should face the reality you can't
compare Yoruba as race to you people we are different exceptional people we introduced lot of things to west Africa manual looming machine.. bronze copper we knew about metallurgy mining we cast in 99% copper free of lead poisoning, reinforced furnace system using hydraulic pumping to fan metals to attend high temperature ...glass making medicine, immuniology before the white introduced to the west by Yoruba slaves . Oyo alone encompassed 3 countries Nigeria Benin Togo even stretching to Ghana brought Empires under her tributary.. Name one kingdom you people conquered igala humiliated your kingdom

Ure lying in other countries head again yea is a prove that oduduwa was a benin man....

Starting from oduduwa there was nothing like oba or obatanla so the word oba started from oduduwa when he came from ife to benin ...the second ooni clear shows that oduduwa came from benin has the name is seen ti bear osa which means god in benin just like oludmare means god in yoruba ....osagangan means in edo strong god and obamakin means i am a king ...
This shows the list of previous oonis right from oduduwa and it was named during ooni coronation....

My question now is there is so many prove showing yorubas dat edo begot oduduwa but yorubas will ignore it but rather lie why


Why after oduduwa reign the next ooni bore an edo name for God in edo and bore a name for king in edo .....

Why did ife make statue of a benin chief if they didnt worship benin might

Obalufon:
your people were naked.. .. animals....we gave you wrapper to cover your nasty ass....we are special people different from you animals..even the fula/Hausa misconstrue our identity think we are Canaanite , point to the east as our root because we are extremely exceptional people ...

O my god u can lie... Iyemwen who be dis trained lier was yoruba even clothed at all ...benis have been wearing clothes on thier waist before d advent of pourtuguese ...Portuguese account in benin nevered mentioned we were naked or uncivilized they mention our oba to be fully beaded our men were clothed pictures still proves it till date ....so no record of yoruba was kept oduduwa was d only man who LovePeddler clothea and ile ife pple saw him as a god and made him a king

Obalufon:
that's the only dressing exposed to Benin way back then we still dress like that . visit ile- ife.. to know your root..languages differences is what is causing the problem .. ile-ife is the source the birthplace

Laye eeh laye eeh oga yoy too lie

U also dress like that very funny probably when oduduwa came from ife that he clothed yorubas ur were all naked bush pple ...the britsh saw the benin chiefs dress like dat so how did the British see yorubas dress show me a picture of early 18c